Running against Islam?

It's too bad the Christocrats can't see the irony in the similarities of fundamental Islam and Christian dominionism. Mote in your eye there, Mike?

the concept that 'MY RELIGION IS BETTER THAN YOURS' is the problem with all religions.

every human, of every sect, of every religion needs to get over it.

YEAL9 wrote:

A solution as recommended by a blogger a few years ago:

Have the Jews of Israel come to the USA. Have the Muslims of the USA go to Israel.
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Yeah, I've heard variations on this before. Funny thing, though:

When Russia unleashed a onslaught of pogroms on Russian Jews, and they tried to find refuge elsewhere, no one else wanted them. When it became apparent that Hitler was intent on exterminating all of the Jews, well meaning people all over the world tried to find them a refuge, and no one wanted them. The Balfour Declaration, and its fulfillment, were indeed objectionable to the Palestinians, and for good reason. But the real reason for the massive Arab opposition to the establishment of Israel was that the Arab effendis didn't want the secularism, threats to their power, and interaction with the modern world they knew would accompany Jewish settlement, so they stirred up the peasants against them. Worked like a charm.

The sad fact is that the Middle Eastern powers have done a beautiful job of convincing their subjugates to oppose their own interests time and again.

The democrats spent their years in power blaming the our problems on the republicans for their incompetence.

And they were right, as far as that's concerned. But blaming the enemy doesn't solve your problems. So we fired them, and hired the republicans again - hoping they had learned their lesson out in the wilderness.

But what are the republicans doing now? Blaming the democrats, blaming the unions, blaming the muslims ... and nothing else. They kill off the favorite republican hate targets like PBS and NPR, but they haven't done a DAMN THING about fixing the economy.

We are truly screwed, if the only choices we have are the republicans and the democrats. But then, why are we stuck with these idiots .. because you idiots keep voting for them.

This isn't their fault, it's your fault.

Dear Mr. Rcofield, and Miss Mooody

You are the two with intolerant mirror images of each other's religions; why don't you two fight it out, and leave all the rest of us alone?

Rcofield

"And I am genuinely sorry that you are so naïve that you despise Christianity when you so obviously don't even understand it."

I do not despise Christianity; I criticize people LIKE YOU, who put your own personal spin on it, in a way that is wrong and immoral, and then claim to speak for God.

I understand Christianity better than you do. I just do not understand your freedlance version, that you have created for yourself.

You think that I hate Christianity and love Islam. Why do you think that? What have I written that makes you think that? You are a very mixed up person.

A solution as recommended by a blogger a few years ago:

Have the Jews of Israel come to the USA. Have the Muslims of the USA go to Israel.

DANNYINTHEPUPPYSPLAYPEN,

“I am not stupid; you are.”

How old are you, twelve?

“Christianity and Islam are mirror images of each other.”

Baloney. The proof is in the putting. Make that statement in Christian circles and the most you will encounter is verbal indignation. Make it in Iran and you will get your head cut off.

“Your outrage that I should make such a conclusion is identical to Islamic outrage.”

You are confusing incredulity at your asinine statement with outrage.

“Most of all, there is the matter of intolerance.”

Yes, there is the matter of intolerance—namely your obvious intolerance toward Christianity.

“And there is no use for you to jump all over me for bringing up this issue. Because YOUR Christian intolerance is a fact; it is a fact that intolerance is part of all but a few small sects of Christianity.”

I am intolerant toward those who would fly airplanes into buildings and blow themselves up in busy market places. The fact that you are not intolerant of such behavior is nothing short of astounding.

“The period from the beginnning of the Reformation......is known historically as the age of the wars of religion. In these wars, there were many interests, but primary among them were matters of religion.”

And the period from the beginning of the 20th century till present is known as the bloodiest century in history due to the wars of secularism. The problem in both eras is not the issue of religion, be it the religion of Christianity or the religion of Secularism—it is the problem of the sinful depravity of the human heart.

“My point is to dispel your wrong impression that religious people, especially Christians are and were all "goody-two-shoes" who wouldn't hurt a fly.”

Where, pray tell, have I presented “religious people, especially Christians” as “all goody-two-shoes who wouldn't hurt a fly”?

“The bloodthirsty armies of the Catholics and the Protestants lined up fought each other just like nationalist armies of the twentieth century did, and they were unmoderated in their murderous and destructive zeal, becasue they all had Jesus Christ on their side.”

No, they lined up and fought each other just like the Secular armies of the 20th century and were unmoderated in their destructive zeal BECAUSE OF THE DEPRAVITY OF THEIR OWN SINFUL HEARTS. Neither Christianity nor Secularism had anything to do with it—other than happening to be the respective world-views people used to try and justify deeply immoral behavior.

“I am sorry that you are so naive, and wrapped up in your own goodness and self-righteousness to comprehend a point of view about the nature of religious fervor that is so different than your own.”

I have no goodness of my own, and whatever righteousness I have has been imputed to my account by the sacrifice and grace of the Lord Jesus Christ. And I am genuinely sorry that you are so naïve that you despise Christianity when you so obviously don't even understand it.

It is very important to put daily actions of Muslims in perspective compared to other religion and determine whether it is a peaceful religion or some death cult like Nazism.

Muslim nations are mostly intolerant and hateful towards minorities, daily reports of Muslims massacring civilians in the name of Islam....

What of a similar witch hunt against Reformed Jews? Republican and Christian spokesman Glenn Beck says they are almost like radical Muslims but more political.

What's that?

After a huge Jewish outcry, he apologized?

Oh, never mind.

IN REPLY TO (IRT
PCSCIPIO
“DANGEROUS RELIGION?”

IRT: “Religion is dangerous because too many people take it waaaay too seriously....”

ANS: It would seem to me the opposite is true. The more uneducated you are the less you believe in God. Conversely, education is not a panacea; some become so basely educated they impudently think they are God.

You might recall the allegory of the uneducated grasshopper and the astute ant. The ant took life seriously, the grasshopper didn’t; he fiddled his life away. He was an epicurean and a Secularist at heart. The ant lived another day; the facetious grasshopper didn't. Because of his ignorance, oblivion came and swept him away into a conundrum of want of purpose and no way to achieve it, viz. his destination was a Hell he thought didn't exist.

IRT “It seems the poorer the society and the less educated its people, the more religion dominates...."

ANS: To the contrary, the opposite is true. Were not the Founding Fathers mostly lawyer’s businessmen and also rich? They built our nation on their frivolous belief in God. It seems apparent that those, with the ilk of a Stalin, Mao, or Hitler, who think themselves wise and more astucious than the frivolous religious, are the most dangerous.

Stalin was so educated that he knew what was good for the proletariat. To relieve their misery, he created an efficient system for annihilating them, the Gulags, Hitler used a shower. This trio, were protégés of Marx. Not believing in God they could only believed in man, namely the loonies who believed like them.

To the argute Marx, religion was the opium of the masses. Marx's enlightened protégés had left a legacy of mass murder, some 40 to 60 million people each. Materialism inevitably replaced their religion; the barriers of Christian morality were rent asunder. Hence, this trio became schizophrenic paranoids and minacious.

I wonder if, as you've implied, poverty and ignorance are the yeasts that ferment a belief in God, with ignorant people, why would the Church become the vanguard of education? Why would Her renowned Universities, and there are many, educate the poor and uneducated? Why not want them to remain in their ignorance? In the beginning, nearly all the Ivy League Universities were religious institutions for higher learning, why?

Since Human Rights are based on God's benevolence, it would seem contradictory that a true religion would entertain entrapment of the poor and ignorant into a slavery of religious incongruity. The facts seem that just the opposite is true. The wiser one is the more he seeks truth, who is God, the more ignorant one is, the more he seeks materialism and relies on his own. Moreover, the fruits of a true religion vindicate its authenticity of truth.

Okay, I agree that there are similarities between religions.

However, Christianity has had a 230 year history of living in a "liberal democratic republic". Many of those Christians were part of the founders of that nation, helping to clarify the most important ideas.

All I'm saying is that we simply do NOT have a history of working long-term democracy with Muslims. Merkl, Sarkozy and Cameron all are coming to grips with the fact that Muslim populations have resisted assimilation into their "liberal democracies". As a result, those "liberal democracies" are in danger of losing the freedoms that they are based upon.

Sure, many Christians would like to re-impose Biblical standards of morality in society. However, nowhere are they doing that outside of the Constitutional procedures. Make no mistake, Christians have lived in, embraced, come to terms with and helped "liberal democracy" for over 230 years (more if you include the run up to the Revolutionary War).

230 years. How long will they have to do so before you consider Christians okay with "liberal democracies"? 400 years? 1,000??

We simply have no historical record of long-standing successful Islamic interaction with democracy.

My Islamic friend, here in my town, actively works to change our "liberal democracy" to be Shariah law, which is theocracy.

In the fifties and sixties, it was communism, the "Red Menace." We had names for all of them, reflecting our prejudices and fears. Now it is Islam - we always have to have a boogeyman to blame for our shortcomings, a "scapegoat." In the last couple of elections, it was the "liberal elite," but that didn't sell well enough. Now that is combined with some group that seems so unlike "us" that they make an easy target. It is "those Muslims" along with the "liberal elite" who want to destroy "our" nation. There is always something to fear, and the right wing will always find some boogeyman to raise those fears, whether real or imagined. In Arizona, although illegal immigration is down considerably, immigrants are showing themselves to be as good of citizens as anyone else, they tend to produce more jobs than larger industries, and we depend upon them to bolster Social Security, fear of them has taken on a life of its own, in contravention of the facts. So it is with Islam. Huckabee doesn't know what he is talking about, but it doesn't matter. He has found a boogeyman, something to raise fear among his constituency. That's all he needs.

BIG QUESTION IS; WHO WILL HANG THE BELL IN THE CATS NECK?
1- Who will stop the capital hungry -US CONs troops 150,000 strong killing civilians in Afghanistan and Pakistan FOR ONLY REASON of clearing and securing black gold GAS routes through this region from native human beings… first propagating based on lies like finding their Osama Bin Laden (who attacked USA sitting in Afghanistan…..WHAT ? are you crazy?... Was he controlling everything from Star Ship Galactic… living in the Cave??)… then propagating that they are killing ISLAMIC Taliban … who does not fall in the category of civilians… even humans….. WHAT… I think went crazy, who fail to understand what you mean to say????????
Please SAY IT AGAIN???????? BY THE WAY HOW BUILDING NO 7 STEEL UNDER THE CONCRETE PILLARS DID MELT 300 YARDS AWAY FROM THE TWIN TOWERS, THEY ALL FALL TOGETHER?
2- They did it in Iraq for the same reasons…. Everyone can now see the truth… based upon lies
3- They did it in Vietnam… based upon lies…
4- They did it in Africa… selling ammunition…
5- They are doing it with Palestine…
6- AND THEY ARE STILL DOINGIT ALL OVER THE WORLD…. demonizing Muslims…. JUST FOR THERE MEAN MATERIAL GAINS….
7- Easy formula… Implant Vicious/ Horrible Incidence… Then lie and point finger… And start killing… no need for JUSTIFICATION.

For so many years Americans have used God's name for things God would never approve. 1954 leaders said God wanted races separate like where did that come from. We see Christians in Africa/Middle East giving out bibles trying to change the religion from Islam to Christian. For 8 years the US Government/Churches used the War to try and convert families to Christian religion even giving families money in Iraq/Afghanistan. We saw christian workers kidnapped and killed for trying to reduce the number of Islam. Now we see Christian Priest who do things that are against God's teaching and even getting involved in Government. Few realize Islam/Christians pray to the same God.

People who make these kinds of statements are neither Christians nor Muslims, they are con men. They're game is to dupe weak-minded people into thinking that they're better them somebody because of some idiotic religion, thereby acquiring power and money for themselves. This is not about religion at all. It's just the same old c**p.

Will you hate me.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuKCda-cFew&feature=related

Story of Ibrahim (PBUH)....Song/Nasheed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cp-it-HlhEo&feature=related

Super! I only had to wait 6 minutes for someone to prove my point. We're doomed!

IN REPLY TO (IRT)
DANIELINTHELIONSDEN :
“LOST IN THE FOG”

IRT: TTWSYFAMDGGAHJMJ1 who hates Muslims, Jews, Protestants, gay people, and the President...is supporting...people of the scapegoated categories, and who seems to be promoting fractured and bogus (anti-Catholic) Catholic dogma.

ANS: My dear friend have you been experimenting with euphorogenics and hallucinogeniscs lately? Wow, how can you otherwise get things so screwed up? You must sit up all night studying how to become a troglodyte you must continuously practice how to keep your mind closed.

That fractured bogus Catholic dogma that has you so disoriented is written in the Constitution under inalienable rights., and implicitly in the Commandments. What is fractured is your sense of reality not Catholics.

Mother Teresa is an icon of Catholicism and her Charity to others. She lived for Spiritual and Corporeal Works of Mercy. She said, I had the most extraordinary experience of love of neighbor with a Hindu family. A gentleman came to our house and said: "Mother Teresa, there is a family who has not eaten for so long. Do something." So I took some rice and went there immediately. And I saw the children - their eyes shining with hunger. I don't know if you have ever seen hunger. But I have seen it very often. And the mother of the family took the rice I gave her and went out.

"When she came back, I asked her: 'Where did you go? What did you do?' And she simply answered: 'They are hungry also.' What struck me was that she knew - and who are they? A Muslim family - and she knew. I didn't bring any more rice that evening because I wanted them, Hindus and Muslims, to enjoy the joy of sharing.

"But there were those children, radiating joy, sharing peace with their mother because she had the love to give until it hurts. And you see this is where love begins - at home in the family.

"So, as the example of this family shows, God will never forget us. We can keep the joy of loving in our hearts, and share that joy with all we come in contact with. Let us make that one point; no child will be unwanted, unloved, uncared for, or killed and thrown away. And give until it hurts - with a smile.

"There is only one God for all; therefore it is important that everyone is seen as equal before God. I’ve always said we should help a Hindu become a better Hindu, a Muslim become a better Muslim, and a Catholic become a better Catholic.

We have among us 475 souls - 30 families are Catholics and the rest are all Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs—but they all come to our prayers." Teresa is an icon of Catholicism. Does she hate Muslims? The Church has developed the most renowned AIDS program in the world, the Dream Program. How you reason Catholics hate gays is inconceivable.

Secularism and not religion, unfortunately is becoming the opium of the masses and you’re addicted to it.

Islam which is a political movement masquerading as a religion is the world's most violent and intolerant religion whose god does not exist and encourages its followers to kill others rather than love others, kills anyone who leaves their satanic cult and mistreats women in a massive way. America will rue the day they let in Muslims as do all the nations from Turkey to Morocco who were Catholic nations but now are under the control of Islam.

Religion is dangerous because too many people take it waaaay too seriously, and always have. It seems the poorer the society and the less educated its people, the more religion dominates. So, the U.S. is so concerned with religion because....

We really need to revisit the Enlightenment, or at least that time when people didn't wear their religion on their sleeves under a chip on their shoulders.

IN REPLY TO ( IRT)
NYMOUS
THE PARANOID

IRT:
"I'm going to vote for whoever doesn't make this about trying to turn America into some nitwit theocracy. Christians enjoy their hate way, way too much. Never mind how much every time they do it they disprove their own theology & dogma either."

ANS:
What is it with the infidels and iconoclast? They see hate everywhere. Are they schizophrenic paranoids? It's not hate they fear; it's truth. If Christians condemn Abortion, they are said to be anti-feminists. If Christians remonstrate about debauchery, licentiousness, depravity, gay-sex, and defend traditional marriage, and chastity, do they hate gays and prostitutes? No, they love them. Some 43 million Abortion murders occur worldwide every year. Over 26 million have died from AIDS; 33 million are infected with HIV, and twice that with STDs.

What kind of persons finds it repulsive to believe the Ten Commandments or their summary, the two Great Commandments? Are the Corporal Works of Mercy anti-social? Jesse Jackson: "Abortion is Black Genocide". To defend these iniquities is truly hate for their victims.

Why is it so vile to love your neighbor as you love yourself and do unto others as you would have then do unto you? Why is believing in the Moral Law so contemptible that it proscribes Christians from elected office? Do the sectarists not know their very inalienable rights are God’s gift? Thank Him.

No, it's not a theocracy Christians condone, it's a theodicy, and why not? “No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon. Therefore I tell you, do not be anxious about your life, what you shall eat or what you shall drink, nor about your body, what you shall put on. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothing?

"Look at the birds of the air: they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they? And which of you by being anxious can add one cubit to his span of life? And why are you anxious about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they neither toil nor spin; yet I tell you, even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.

"But if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is alive and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will he not much more clothe you, O men of little faith? Therefore do not be anxious, saying, `What shall we eat?' or `What shall we drink?' or `What shall we wear?' For the Gentiles seek all these things; and your heavenly Father knows that you need them all. But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things shall be yours as well.

"Therefore do not be anxious about tomorrow, for tomorrow will be anxious for itself. Let the day's own trouble be sufficient for the day?"— Matthew 6: 24/34. A word to the wise should be sufficient.

Most Americans knew little about Islam before the terrorist attacks and the little that they have learned about the religion gives them no comfort since then. We hear that the vast majority of Muslims are peace loving and that is true because the vast majority of human beings are peace loving but the text of the Koran is filled with many edicts about everyday life that are incongruent with modern life and are resistant to change. There are also exhortations of violence that can be soft pedaled but nevertheless exist.

The examples of Muslim majority nations do not provide models that most Americans find appealing. Campaigning against a religion in which even a small percentage of adherents use to justify violence against our citizens is an easy political tool and while it may be jingoistic to a certain degree, Islam poses a challenge to modern western liberal democracy.

This whole discussion is a waste of time, really.

Muslims have been at odds with all major societies of the world for a few thousand years. Islamic fanatics have dominated world terrorism for decades now. They are about as crazy as bedbugs on DDT.

There is no debate here. Everything America stands for is hateful to fundamental Islam.

The question to ask is this:

Why do any Muslims come to America, in the first place?

Who ever believe that Mosses (ASA) never existed can look at the scientifically proven proof and its witness in below link;

A proof that no one on the face of present world could deny;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcFIQgdFXEY&feature=related

And don't miss what Mohammad Ali & Will Smith has to say:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-A8xMhAG7M&feature=related

Rcofield thinks that legal abortion is worse than all of the religious wars and modern wars combined. This is simply ridiculous and absurd. But it is more than that; it is paranoid and hysterical hyperbolic exaceration. This religious fervor is an-add on to Christianity, has nothing to do with the teachings of Christ, and is what has corrupted Christianity, and is what has motivated Christians in the past to murder each other by the thousands, and it is what undermines Christian credibility today.

And mixed in with his ridiculous posts, directed mainly at me for personal reasons, we must also put up with the simple-minded Muslim heckler, Mooody, who hates the Jews, and who blames the Untied States for things that Spain did in the six-teenth century, and we must put up with Yeal / CCNL who hates Muslims, but shares in common with them, also, a hatred for gay people, and TTWSYFAMDGGAHJMJ1 who hates Muslims, Jews, Protestants, gay people, and the President of the United States, but is flexible in supporting specific people of the scapegoated categories, and enjoys the pretentious overuse of certain supposedly immpressive words, and who seems to be a little old lady promoting fractured and bogus (anti-Catholic) Catholic dogma.

Oh brother!

Perhaps your guys, (and lady) should pull up a chair, and pay a little more attention to what is really going on in the world, today.

Simplifying the saving of 1.5 billion lost Muslim souls:

There never was and never will be any angels i.e. no Gabriel, no Islam

Simplifying the saving of 2 billion lost Christian souls:

The was and never will be any bodily resurrections i.e. No Easter, no Christianity

Simplifying the saving of 15.5 million Orthodox followers of Judaism:

Abraham and Moses never existed.

Added details upon request.

Don't talk to me about Mohummad (PBUH): Nashed/Song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1HBc5iNyUI&feature=related

Song

Will you hate me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuKCda-cFew&feature=related

Humility

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcSWbLedGCY&feature=related

Freedom will come; song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxglyOvddNc&feature=related

Can't take it with you;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dtSRvyfxc4&feature=related

I'm going to vote for whoever doesn't make this about trying to turn America into some nitwit theocracy.

Christians enjoy their hate way, way too much. Never mind how much every time they do it they disprove their own theology & dogma either.

Father and Son

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cpX1ZjuaiA&feature=related

Your mother has 3 times rights than father

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PInPedCLGFo&feature=related

Wonderful song Allah Bless you Michaeel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=War4G9nWGSs&feature=related

Religion is so anti-rational and organized religion is generally such a scam, why do we pay so much attention to it?

Ah, the legacy of the 1965 Immigration Reform Act!

The following reference is one of the most detailed reviews of human atrocities ever published with tables and supporting references and comments. Please peruse before making comments on said atrocities.

http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat0.htm

IN REPLY TO (IRT)
DANIELINTHELIONSDEN
“DEMAGOGUES

IRT: "Why do you lie so much? Is laying the moral thing to do? It is for Obama. Did Jesus say that lying is good? Cite from the Bible where it says to lie. How about the Pope and Catholic doctrine? Please state your doctrinal justification for telling so many lies."

ANS: How can you even know what a lie is, if you believe Obama? To believe Obama, a greater deceiver than the Clintons combined, is proof of one's inability to discern what is true and what is false. Obama is the ultimate dissolute and consummate dissimulator who ever sat in the Oval Office. His obfuscations about Obamacare are multiple, and his enervated conscience is inoperative when confronted with his incessant acts of duplicity.

Obama said that discussion on Obamacare would be open; they were behind closed doors. He said Obamacare did not cover abortion; it does. He now is attempting to force Catholic hospitals to do abortions or lose their ability to treat all federally insured patients.

Obama said that illegal aliens were not covered; they are. Obama denied Obamacare had any death panels and a death curve; it does, an Ezekiel Emmanuel death curve. He said there was no effort to convince disabled veterans to commit suicide; there is.

http://nicedeb.wordpress.com/2009/08/23/chris-wallace-interviews-jim-towey-on-death-book-for-veterans

An amoral cretin Obama apparatchik, who apparently is not a vet, said:
"I love that these chicken hawks have the nerve to carp about a questionnaire for vets. The vets have the option of choosing their answer…it's not forced on them." Many of these veterans are psychologically depressed and are vulnerable to manipulators Obama will use to convince them.

The Pope does not conspire to murder unborn. Michelle Obama lobbied Congress to defeat the ban against Partial-Birth-Abortion. Obama, for political expediency, voted against the ban. Obama voted three times to allow a butcher posing as a doctor to finish murdering the victim of his botched abortion. Human life for Obama is a contrivance.

Obama appointed Joshua DuBois a gay Czar to head Bush’s Faith-Based Initiative. DuBois accused the Pope of being a cause of Abortion, because of the Pope's stand on contraceptives and Marriage.

Obama said he supported traditional marriage then says the law defining marriage as a union between a man and a woman is unconstitutional. Therefore, he will not defend it. What uncalculated arrogance and presumption Obama trespasses on the powers of the Court violating the separation of powers.

That’s not the only federal law he won’t enforce, viz. he won’t defend our borders and obstructs those who do. Obamacare has been declared unconstitutional; Obama is ignoring the Court and therefore is breaking his oath of office by not enforcing the law. To break an oath is an obfuscation of truth.

Obama is the modern day Pied Piper for the lost generation who think themselves wise but in truth are consummate fools.

A prove that no one on the face of present world could deny;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcFIQgdFXEY&feature=related

Best answere for those who have NO PROBLEM with nakedness which there women .. mother.. daugthers... wifes ...flash out to everyone else

Whats wrong with skirts? Muhammad Ali answers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyCcqp034sU&feature=related

Why not western men wear like there women almost naked, why only women??
Is it due to equal rights?

Below link interesting to watch too;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFjIwcOTgD8&feature=related

Interesting to hear below link;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9na1Wk-AUjk&playnext=1&list=PL845184D4A0AB88BC

SO TO THE LIARS AND CAPITAL HUNGRY DEVIL BECAME GIGANTIC WORLD SIZE MONSTORS.... will you ever stop ans shut the F up....

Someone again lie here by showing 1/4 side of picture...

in 1947 just in 48 hours 2 million muslims were butured by Sikhs after that muslims also retaliated.. No need to tell the sikhs... they know what they did and what happened...

Again thanks and all credit goes to your ancestors DEVIL Brits for their Great Plan... intensionaly dividing Punjab Province from right in the middle... knowingly hot political situation over division..

Where wickdly Brits only divided Muslim Population.

Today;

- 220 Million just in India where officially there counting in not increasing from 130 million from last 18 years...lol
- 190 million in Bangladesh
- 180 million in Pakistan
- 15 million in Indian Occupied Kashmir.

Clever devils Brits know that otherwise it would be Muslim Democracy in India today with altogether 600 million strong muslim population. Today Hindus in India are 700 million badly politically divided almost in half because of their Super and lower untouchable cast racism.

AND THESE ALL MUSLIMS WERE NOT CONVERTED ON THE TIP OF THE SWORD LIKE IN THE PAST OF WHOLE WEST.

Where todays

And Afghanistan figures will come out in next 10 years where 150,000 US troops are repeating same what they did recently in Iraq.... clearing and killing innocent civilians from black gold GAS routes and es for that....... whole west maliciously propagating Islam and more than 1.5 billion peaceful muslims as terrorists. West highlights Islamim Law very cunning BUT DARE NOT TO COMPAIR THE STATES...

- In half an hour electric failure whole Los Angilos was looted.... that your civic reality
On average western men settle down after 8 female partners, which could be less or more, and that is very small %age....and the relations are even not long lasting.
USA has 8 to 10 million women more than men. What option you offer them....marry already married men and get all the benefits OR don't marry and become public properties...I don't have more decent words.....
Unbalanced, unnatural responsibility, children and wealth laws. Causing kids transfer to foster unnatural or homo parents....hence 10 to 13% Incest just in USA...
No legal binding of men with women giving them free of responsibility access to the women....Hence 40% teenage pregnancies....hence killing 40 million unborn human children every year just in USA........
On average every second women is raped in USA once in her life time. Every day on average 3000 rapes in USA
On average every 4th person in USA has jailed once in his life time. Not a single family left whose one or two person not jailed in their life time in USA.
Now these are not my states. These are your home department figures and from human right organizations....just google.....

YEAL9 most of your figures are either fabricated or a lie. Islam ended Human Slaver 1400 years back within, only non muslim slaves kept considering Muslims will treat them better. Like West until beginning of 1900 C no freedom moment in Islamic world requied.
BUT USA is on TOP of list in very short period of time;
1- It is recorded in American 1970’s encyclopedia History Sections (Sky Blue cover) that STAGERING 150 million red indians were killed by new white settlers which is equal to half the population of today’s Europe and usa itself. Which was total extinction of complete race, even today red Indians are considered endangered spices.
2- A-bomb Hiroshima and Nagasaki... millions killed immediate and after
3- 4 Millions killed children.../women Vietnam.
4- More than Million killed in Iraq completely destroyed, no clean water, food, sanitation, hygiene, electricity, roads, and US missionaries killing civilians playing security. It was not like that before. Can you live there now, as normal human being?
5- Worldwide CIA/Pentagon illegitimate jails for renditions and torture . Popular one is Abugraib jail in Iraq, newly built castles in Afghanistan. People like Afia Siddique prisoner no 650 ..her case is one example, a message to outside world about US Justice system, out of hundreds of thousand renditions by US authorities, today people are missing all over the world
6- Destroying (imploding….Just google) twin tower killing their own people and, blaming and then attacking another 3 countries, Iraq, afghan, Pakistan. Conspiring about weapon of mass destruction, Osama Laden who is dead long ago….just google, blatantly lying and ignoring UN advices while attacking weak targets…..for financial gains.
7- Google…USA Monopoly of biggest world business/industry of arms& ammunition. It is proven everywhere that USA creates artificial unrest throughout world after 2nd world war to earn profits on their arms business.eg. Iran Iraq war, Iraq Kuwait war and almost in every war & insurgency especially in the Africa and middle east in last 65-70 years. Causing millions getting killed in Africa, causing famine, child war abuse …..endless death cycle.
8- US forces deployed in more than 120 countries of world, to promote and protect their illegitimate interests.

IN REPLY TO (IRT)
PERSIFAGE
NOT QUITE RIGHT”

IRT: "This little diatribe below all sounds perversely stupid, if you ask me. Jeremiah Wright is not Catholic, as I recall. Liberation theology is not only a Catholic movement started by a priest, but originates in South America."

ANS "Wright has been a national leader in promoting theological education for the African-American church. The church's mission statement is based upon systematized Black Liberation Theology (BLT) that started with the works of James Hal Cone. Reverend Jeremiah Wright noted that he had been inspired by Cone's theology.

Cone defines BLT as "complete emancipation of Black people from White oppression by 'whatever means' Black people deem necessary." For Cone, the deeply racist structure of American society leaves Blacks with 'no alternative' but radical transformation or social withdrawal. So-called Christianity, as commonly practiced in the United States, is actually the racist Antichrist.

Theologically, Cone affirms, "Malcolm X was not far wrong when he called the White man 'the devil.' The false Christianity of the white-devil oppressor must be replaced by an authentic Christianity fully identified with the poor and oppressed.—Wikipedia. ” Consequently, Cone’s BLT is anti-Catholic.

The Cone BLT is the exclusion of the rest of society. Does that not smack of the French Revolution and Marx's Bourgeois vs. the proletariat?

The Marxist theology is to force change by violence. That was occurring in Latin America. It was becoming more of a material movement than a spiritual one. The Church ended it. They view change by being virtuous. Violence is what Wright endorses; his mentor and adviser is Cone who apparently wears the mantle of Malcolm X, viz. change by "radical transformation by any means and with whatever necessary."

Consequently, Obama, who said Wright is as a father to him, is aligned with this type of radicalism. In Obama's work with Acorn, the working ethic was to cause change by violence and that’s what ACORN did.

Obama’s was aligned with violence in his radical friendship with, Bill Ayers, who is remiss about not killing enough people. Ayers is another of Obama's vicarious connection to the Marxist ideology.

The difference between Catholic liberation a peaceful transition, and Marxist, a.k.a. Wright and Obama, Cone, and Malcolm X, is they are all connected to a pattern of the promotion of violence, which was Marx's instrument of change. Obama is a radical and his radicalism of change is in progress.

The firmness with which the Apostle opposes those who believe that they are justified by the Law has nothing to do with man's "liberation" from precepts.” That’s what: Liberation Theology was all about. Namely, manmade laws justified man’s acts. Hence, Secularists who argue, since abortion is legal, it’s okay to have one. Violence begets violence.

The Twenty (or so) Worst Things People Have Done to Each Other:

o The Muslim Conquest of India
■"The likely death toll is somewhere between 2 million and 80 million. The geometric mean of those two limits is 12.7 million. "

Rank Death Toll Cause Centuries Religions/Groups involved*

1 63 million Second World War 20C (Christians et al and Communists vs. Christians et al, Nazi-Pagan and "Shintoists")

2 40 million Mao Zedong (mostly famine) 20C (Communism)

40 million Genghis Khan 13C (Shamanism or Tengriism)

4 27 million British India (mostly famine) 19C (Anglican)

5 25 million Fall of the Ming Dynasty 17C (Buddhism, Taoism, Confucianism, Chinese folk religion)

6 20 million Taiping Rebellion 19C ( Confucianism, Buddhism and Chinese folk religion vs. a form of Christianity)

20 million Joseph Stalin 20C

8 19 million Mideast Slave Trade 7C-19C (Islam)

9 17 million Timur Lenk 14C-15C

10 16 million Atlantic Slave Trade 15C-19C (Christianity)

11 15 million First World War 20C (Christians vs. Christians)

15 million Conquest of the Americas 15C-19C (Christians vs Pagans)

13 13 million Muslim Conquest of India 11C-18C

14 10 million An Lushan Revolt 8C

10 million Xin Dynasty 1C

16 9 million Russian Civil War 20C (Christians vs Communists)

17 8 million Fall of Rome 5C (Pagans)
8 million Congo Free State 19C-20C (Christians)

19 7½ million Thirty Years War 17C (Christians vs Christians)

7½ million Fall of the Yuan Dynasty 14C

* :" Is religion responsible for more more violent deaths than any other cause?

A: No, of course not – unless you define religion so broadly as to be meaningless. Just take the four deadliest events of the 20th Century – Two World Wars, Red China and the Soviet Union – no religious motivation there, unless you consider every belief system to be a religion."

Q: So, what you're saying is that religion has never killed anyone.

A: Arrgh... You all-or-nothing people drive me crazy. There are many doc-umented examples where members of one religion try to exterminate the members of another religion. Causation is always complex, but if the only difference between two warring groups is religion, then that certainly sounds like a religious conflict to me. Is it the number one cause of mass homicide in human history? No. Of the 22 worst episodes of mass killing, maybe four were primarily religious. Is that a lot? Well, it's more than the number of wars fought over soccer, or sex (The Trojan and Sabine Wars don't even make the list.), but less than the number fought over land, money, glory or prestige.

In my Index, I list 41 religious conflicts compared with 27 oppressions under "Communism", 24 under Colonialism, 2 under "Railroads" and 2 under "Scapegoats". Make of that what you will."

http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat0.htm

DANIELINTHELIONSDEN, responding to or even noticing TWISTED's insane verbal diarrhea is like dropping money in a drunk's cup that you see on the way into work everyday.

Even noticing this cretin exists, even noticing TWISTED's insanity at all, only perpetuates it.

One thing you can do, when you see this drunk, when you see TWISTED, is be grateful that this horrible mental disease which caused it didn't happen to you.

Rcofield

The period from the beginnning of the Reformation unitl the Peace of Westphalia ended the German Thirties Year War is known historically as the age of the wars of religion. In these wars, there were many interests, but primary among them were matters of religion.

My point is to dispel your wrong impression that religious people, especially Christians are and were all "goody-two-shoes" who wouldn't hurt a fly.

The bloodthirsty armies of the Catholics and the Protestants lined up fought each other just like nationalist armies of the twentieth century did, and they were unmoderated in their murderous and destructive zeal, becasue they all had Jesus Christ on their side.

In those days, if you believed wrong, you could be beheaded, strangled, burned, or dismembered. If you had a grudge against your neighbor or some petty argument, you could get rid of him by reporting him to the authorities as a practitioner of the "other religion," either Catholic or Protestant. Even if your neighbor did not end up, executed, you could make an awful lot of trouble for him by "turning him in."

I am sorry that you are so naive, and wrapped up in your own goodness and self-righteousness to comprehend a point of view about the nature of religious fervor that is so different than your own.

Rcofield

Christianity and Islam are mirror images of each other. Your outrage that I should make such a conclusion is identical to Islamic outrage.

Christians and Muslims are reflections of each other. Of course, for every justification that you have for why Christians are different than Muslims, they have the EXACT same reasoning about why Muslims are different than Christians; once again, a weird sameness.

Most of all, there is the matter of intolerance. And there is no use for you to jump all over me for bringing up this issue. Because YOUR Christian intolerance is a fact; it is a fact that intolerance is part of all but a few small sects of Christianity. The intolerance of Christianity is to deny the validity of any other religion while insisting on the perfection of Christianity, and the consequent proselytinzing to convert ALL to Christianity.

The only REAL problem is when you run up against your mirror image, in Islam, holding the EXACT same snobby attitude towards others, and also seeking to convert ALL to Islam.

Then, there can be real trouble.

TTWSYFAMDGGAHJMJ1

"On the contrary, the real hate is locked in your closed mind. That's evident from your vitriolic diatribe and your political blindness."

My mind is not locked and closed; yours is. I do not have vitriolic diatribes. I merely asked you to cite the Cathlic or Biblical justification for all of your lies, which you did not do.

Why do you lie so much? and why do you keep lying?

Repeating lies over and over does make them true, now does it? So why do you keep doing it?

RCofield

"No, your equating Christianity with Islam more than proves your stupidity."

I am not stupid; you are.

Jesus does not seem to be doing you much good.

This little TTWSTY diatribe below all sounds preversely stupid, if you ask me. Jeremiah Wright is not Catholic, as I recall. Liberation theology is not only a Catholic movement started by a priest, but originates in South America.

Naturally, it's detractors condemn it as a 'Marxist' movement. This typcially rightwing cohort would probably include devout theocrats and other rightest fanatics in the USA.

'Wright is an advocate of the Communist doctrine “Liberation Theology.” Obama’s autobiography is a self-admitting confession of his Communist roots he inherited from his father.'

All in all, ironclad, bigoted hatred from the rightwing never resided on such flimsy foundations......except when it does. This includes well-known Vatican condemnation of the founding egalitarian principles of liberation theology - which undoubtedly smacked of heresy to the red-hatted, doctrinal elitists in Rome.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_theology

IN REPLY TO (IRT)
DANIELINTHELIONSDEN
“DEMAGOGUES”

In the book, The Roots of Obama's Rage, Dinesh D'Souza a former defender of Obama, writes.” Obama has set himself the task, as he put it, in his inauguration address, of ‘Remaking America’ (p. 18). We are today living out the script for America and the world that was dreamt up not by Obama but by Obama’s father. How do I know this? Because, Obama says so himself. It’s not Dreams of My Father but rather Dreams “FROM” My Father. Obama is not writing a book about his father’s dreams; he is writing a book about the dreams that he got from his father (p. 198).

"'All my life,' Obama says, 'I had carried a single image of my father, one that I had sometimes rebelled against but had never questioned, one that I had later tried to 'take as my own.' This has been a 'lifelong preoccupation for Obama' (p. 17). That explains his 'determination' to be Black, as if Blackness were more an achievement than a birthright (p. 18)."

Obama’s Climate Tsar, Socialist Carol Browner, is the Communist replacement for the Communist Jones forced to resign.

"HOW OBAMA THINKS":
"On Aug. 18, 2009, WSJ headline: 'Obama Underwrites Offshore Drilling.' The Administration support offshore drilling--but drilling off the shores of Brazil. With Obama's backing, the U.S. Export-Import Bank offered $2 billion in loans and guarantees to Brazil's state-owned oil company Petrobras to finance exploration in the Santos Basin near Rio de Janeiro--not so the oil ends up in the U.S. but so that the oil can stay in Brazil.

"Here's more strange behavior. Obama on June 15, 2010 gives speech not on Gulf oil cleanup strategies, as billed, but on the fact that Americans 'consume more than 20% of the world's oil but have less than 2% of the world's resources.

"Obama railed on 'America's century-long addiction to fossil fuels.' What does any of this have to do with the oil spill? Would the calamity have been less of a problem if America consumed a mere 10% of the world's resources?"

It is said that to the mindset of a fool no proof is possible. Obama hung an ornament with a picture off Mao Zedong on his Christmas tree in the WH. That’s on YouTube. If you’re not myopically blind, you might see it. I doubt if you can. Moreover, Obama has surrounded himself with outspoken Communist Tsars. Jones for one had to resign because his views were exposed. Obama’s former media advisor Anita Dunn said when she need advice she consulted the writings of Mao. That’s on YOUTUBE too.

Obama said the Church he attended for over 20 years and its pastor, the infamous Rev. Wright was like a father to him. Wright is an advocate of the Communist doctrine “Liberation Theology.” Obama’s autobiography is a self-admitting confession of his Communist roots he inherited from his father.

Obama is also shown on YOUTUBE mocking Scripture’s Sermon on the Mount, Deuteronomy, and Leviticus.

Hi Farnaz!

I have read similar suggestions, and have no problems with classroom discussion on cosmology covering the possiblities of purpose and intelligence as essential components of the emerging universe.

As long as the thinking of modern cosmologists is sufficiently covered,
I can't see the harm. The problems begin when only one brand of teleogical thought is presented.

You're surely correct that intelligent design is simply another shadow form of biblical creationism ala Huckabee the huskster.....if we can guard against religious exclusivity, I still think that students at the highschool level could benefit from comparative religion studies.

Many other posters oppose the idea using the 'political hot potato' argument, but it's too bad that students have to wait for college in order to study religion as a cultural and very human institution.

Here's a link for other posters that may not be familiar with the various 'non-scientific' arguments that attach meaning and purpose to the boundless presence of the cosmos.

http://www.kheper.net/topics/cosmology/teleology.html

Hi Persiflage,

Just read an article by a scientist suggesting that questions of "design" not be ruled out of classroom discussions of evolution.

A very human piece, it argues that in so doing, we perpetuate "creationism" (ID), and foreclose interesting questions. For instance, might it not be appropriate in a lesson on evolution to raise the question purposefulness? Is there a way to do so that is not Platonic?

Of course, ID is political....

Humans have forever used differences in religious beliefs to percipitate wide-scale violence and war.

The 'wickedness of the human heart' is perfectly comfortable killing 'non-believers' that refuse to share the same religious beliefs.

Since religion is a human creation, it's to be assumed that humans will put whatever subjective spin on a given religion that suits their purposes at the time. Religion begets religion - the history of mythology makes this abundantly clear.

There are plenty of similarities between Judaism, Christianity, and Islam - with Judaism being a primary source for the other two.

The fact that Huckabee is dissembling about the 'differences' between Islam and Christianity is more about politics than anything else - he knows his audience of fundamentalist believers. Huckabee is a pro, and he's already on the campaign stump.

Hopefully the Huckabytes remain where they belong in the modern-day scheme of things....relegated to small enclaves of bible thumpers that are more than willing to vote for a wingnut like Huckabee based on fear and religious self-righteousness, and yet lack the real clout to elect public representatives that work for ALL of us.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Catholicism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty_Years'_War

http://www.religionfacts.com/christianity/charts/christianity_islam.htm

DANNYINTHEPUPPYSPLAYPEN,

“The Germna Thirty Years Was that ended in 1648, fought between the Catholics and the Protestants was EVEN more destructive in its day than our modern two World Wars.”

You need to get your facts straight. The Thirty Years War began as a conflict between Catholics and Protestants, but quickly became a contest for European political preeminence. This had nothing to do with genuine Christianity and everything to do with the natural depravity of the human heart.

If you want to talk about “destructive,” let's talk about the abortion mills of these wonderful “secular states” to which you point. Eight hundred million innocents slaughtered in their mother's womb over the last century worldwide, with even our fair country contributing mightily to this number.

That's more destruction than took place in the Thirty Years War and WWI & II combined.

“You think that your snarky sarcasm proves how stupid I am...”

No, your equating Christianity with Islam more than proves your stupidity.

IN REPLY TO (IRT)
DANIELINTHELIONSDEN
“TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE”

IRT: “You a great big stupid liar. Your lies are so many, that it is impossible to cite them all. Mainly, you will say any lie to slander President Obama, because you hate him so much.”

ANS: On the contrary, the real hate is locked in your closed mind. That's evident from your vitriolic diatribe and your political blindness. Actually, I feel sorry for Obama, as I feel sorry for anyone living in a duplicitious alternate world. I felt sorry for Judas, and people like Hitler, Pol Pot, and Mao Zedong, and all the other morally blind Communist Fascist and atheist Marxist terrorists like bin Laden and lamentably pray for their victims who must live in such a nescient world of moral ignorance and indubitable suffering.

You are reminiscent of a frog who sits in a pot of water over a fire. The frog will not jump out, as the water heats up. It eventually cooks him. A frogs' food must be alive, and moving. If a pile of dead flies lay in front of a frog, he would die of starvation if no other food moved.

If there is any lying being done, it is you lying to yourself. Take your head out of the sand.

We are sitting in an America whose unemployment under Bush was less than five percent, and with Obama is over nine percent. Economists say it is actually 19 percent. Economists blame Obama for our fanancial woes. Thus, as Rome is burning, Obama keeps playing Nero's fiddle. To worship a Social Marxists Communist who is intentionally destroying America is to be as dumbfounded as the frog.

Economist predict oil in America is approaching $200/ bbl. Obama has proscribed deep-well drilling in America, yet has loaned Mexico a billion for deep well drilling in the Gulf. To Brazil, he has lent a few billion to drill wells twice the depth of BP’s well. Moreover, your hypocrite is shutting down all coal mining. Coal is responsible for some 50 percent of America’s energy resources.

Moreover, while claiming to create jobs, Obama has been intentionally destroying them, mining jobs, and over 200,000 oil related jobs in the Gulf. In the San Joaquin Valley, he's shut down the breadbasket of America and destroying some 70,000 farming jobs to preserve the environment.

How Obama Thinks: "The President's actions are so bizarre that they even mystify his critics."

http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2010/0927/politics-socialism-capitalism-private-enterprises-obama-business-problem.html

Obama’s Socialist Climate Tsar, Carol Browner, used to be listed as a member of the Commission for a Sustainable World Society in the Socialist International. She is the Communist replacement for the exited Communist Jones. Her and her former Organization wants America bankrupt. She, like Obama, plans to accomplish this by distributing America’s wealth to Third World nations. One plan is to make America oil dependant on the Third World of whom she thinks America is exploiting.

I'm wondering why in light of events in Lybia, OnFaith has not seen fit to invite Rev. Jeremiah Wright to return to this site and give us his impressions on that great Muslim Muamar Qaddfi, whose guest REv. Wright was, accompanied by another eminent Muslim, Farrakhan.

One recalls that the Jew-hating Farrakhan was financed throughout his illustrious career by the eminent Qaddafi--how could one forget--and was also proclaimed Man of the Year by Rev. Jeremiah "them Jews" Wright.

David Waters, if this isn't the time for Jeremiah Wright to blog here, when will that moment be?

If not now, when, David Waters?

On the Republican party in America's attempt to reduce the conversation between America and the Islamic world to an argument between two books...

There are many in America--typically Republicans--who object to the Islamic world from the perspective of Christianity, or more broadly, from the perspective of the Bible. Sadly, such an objection cannot help but be an objection, an act of hostility, toward the Islamic world. This perspective is the perspective of one book, a book which holds the viewpoint of being all or nothing. Jewish fundamentalists are of course in the same position. Whether strongly Jewish or strongly Christian one holds up a book against the Islamic world and makes out the Islamic world is against it.

That the Islamic world is against the Bible is of course true in its upholding of the Koran. But it is also true that any perspective which does not uphold the Bible is against the Bible. Secularism in the Western world, for example, is not exactly conducive to Christianity…Of course it is true that the Western world is far more a culture of many books rather than one than the Islamic world is and therefore the Western world is preferable to the Islamic world, but the argument against the Islamic world should be put in that perspective rather than from the perspective of Christianity or Judaism.

We should have an argument of the many books in the Western world against the one book of the Koran rather than an argument of the Bible or Torah against the Koran. Nothing could be more stupid or dull than two people beating each other about the head about their pet book. Two clowns with their pet books cannot help but foment conflict. The Republican party in declaring for Christianity as it does cannot help but be saying that it is inevitably hostile to the Islamic world. Convert or else! Sadly the Western world must come to grips with both the one book people within its domains and without. Even more sad is that if the Western world cannot get the Islamic world to become a culture of multiple books as the West the conversation will become reduced to the Bible against the Koran.

The goal seems to be to make the Islamic world a world of multiple books rather than one. But of course many religious asses in the West will stand up and bray that such an action marginalizes their own pet book. Tough sh*t. Do the religious in the West believe in freedom of speech and thought or do they hold the opposite viewpoint? If they believe in freedom then they should be supporting the multiple books view. Amazing how the Republicans can on one hand declare for smaller government and freedom to the point of calling themselves the Tea Party these days then on the other hand uphold the one book of the Bible and start talking about irreconcilability with the Islamic world.

This of course is not to say if the Western world approaches the Islamic world from the perspective of multiple books against the one book of the Koran things are guaranteed to turn out well between Islam and the West--conflict might, in fact will to extent, occur anyway. But pitting Christianity or Judaism against Islam is to guarantee conflict, no doubt about that. There seems no way to oppose the view that multiple books lead to less conflict than upholding one book against all others. The secularists are on the firm ground of peace in that they tend to be multiple book people, while the strongly religious, although they speak of peace over and over, are clearly on the side of war.

I like a big library and all kinds of books. I am firmly on the side of multiple books rather than one book. I am better at arithmetic than being able to count to only one.

Does the year 1989 ring a bell?

How about 1968?

How about 1848?

TTWSYFAMDGGAHJMJ1

You a great big stupid liar. Your lies are so many, that it is impossible to cite them all. Mainly, you will say any lie to slander President Obama, because you hate him so much.

Why do you lie so much? Is lying the moral thing to do? Did Jesus say that lying is good? Cite from the Bible where it says to lie. How about the Pope and Catholic doctrine? Please state your doctrinal justification for telling so many lies.

Islam as a political force must be talked about in the races for President of the US. We must learn from Europe what has happened over the last 35 years. There are areas of Germany, France, England and Italy where even the police and fire dept. will not enter without extra reinforcements. When these Muslims came to these countries they expressed a desire for economic, polical and religious freedom only to turn around when they had gathered enough forces to stand up to the local governments and attempted to spread Sharia law. Alas! They had bitten the proverbial hand that feeds. Their expressed desire is to spread Islam even if it takes a thousand years to accomplish that goal. It will have to be talked about everywhere. Pull your head out of the sand and look around. This is the start.

RCofield

... beep ... beep ... beep ... back it up a few centuries ...

... Islam and Christianity are weirdly similiar, but skewed a little in their timetables of developement.

The Germna Thirty Years Was that ended in 1648, fought between the Catholics and the Protestants was EVEN more destructive in its day than our modern two World Wars.

I bet you don't know this, an don't believe it, and if a college professor tried to tell you, you would "shut his mouth."

The Christian West has already gone through its revolutionary period into modernity, which includes the American Revoltionary War, that lead to the separation of church and state, and the adoption of the concept of a secular state, not necessarily ruled by the Divine Right of Kings.

You think that your snarky sarcasm proves how stupid I am, but it does not. It just shows that your Christian attitude is not all that great after all, is it?

IN REPLY TO
PGIBSON1
“THE ONE WHO CANNOT BELIEVE”

IRT:
"I cannot believe that this is an actual discussion. The GOP is trawling the globe for a fight, as always, to take something that probably isn't theirs."

ANS: What are you, an Obama apparatchik? Are we not to defend ourselves against terrorists? Dems don't think so. Obama apologized for America upsetting the terrorists. The Dems did everything in their power to for us to lose the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

The notable precursor of the Fall of America, Dirty Harry Reed, told America, "We lost the war in Iraq, after he led his birdbrain Dems to outlaw the Patriot Act and had to restore it a week later."

The Obama Dems proscribed FISA to intercept international communications of "people with known links to al Qaeda and related terrorist. Those taps resulted in obstructing terrorists' money transfers and plots. NIA Director, General Hayden, claimed, "This program has been successful in detecting and preventing attacks inside the United States."

In addition, the Dems continued to obstruct the interrogation of war criminals that caused the prevention of many terrorist plans while attempting to shut down Guantanamo, obstruct Military tribunals, and expanded the Geneva Convention and Constitutional protection for terrorists.

Further, Clinton’s Jamie Gorelick, Deputy Attorney General, built a wall between the CIA and the FBI that expedited 9/11. In spite of all the Dems subversion, Bush and the Republicans succeeded to set Iraq free from a tyrant who threatened the world. Republicans forced bin Laden to live in a cave, looking over his shoulder for the rest of his life. Clinton didn’t have the guts to take out bin Laden several times because he thought the polls weren’t in his favor.

Obama is travelling around the world apologizing for America to Hugo Chavez. Chavez insulted Obama and all America. Obama humbled himself to Syria’s president Bashar al-Assad, as did Pelosi.

Obama insulted England’s Prime Minister Brown, affronted the leader of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu, managed to affront Germany’s leader Angela Merkel and dissed French leader Nicolas Sarkozy, while he undermined our relationship with Poland to suck up to Putin by disarming America. Even Norwegians, are incensed over Barack Obama's arrogance.

IRT: “That's what the conservatives among you do… you suck up n you condone killing for protection of that hoard

ANS: Yes, those whom we sucked up to were Merkel, Sarkozy, Netanyahu, England’s former leader Brown, and Poland’s late Leader Lech Kacynski. However, America chose to suck up to Obama, a Muslim Socialist Marxist who honors Mao Zedung.

Obama was busy sucking up to Putin. Poland trusted America’s word but Obama reneged and left Poland hanging. Poland, agreed to the install Bush’s defense system in spite of threats from Putin, but Obama preferred appeasing Russia to Poland and made Poland a victim of Obama's duplicitous apparatchiks.

Furthermore, should we not scientifically look at the evidence? No Muslims at founding of nation. Muslim communities NOT willing to assimilate throughout Europe. Some Muslim communities in USA pushing for Shariah law in their communities. No Muslim nations with a working democracy that is not dominated by extremist Muslims. We thought Turkey might be that, but it is recently moving extremist.

Now, understand, I am hopeful that individual Muslims will make their peace with "liberal democracies". What bothers me is our unwillingness to recognize that those who refuse to make peace with "liberal democracy" are still coming and are as much in our midst as Europe.

In every "liberal Democracy" where Muslims have become numerous, they have pushed for the "right" to have their own court system for their own people based on Shariah law. Show me one place in the world where Christians are pushing for a separate court system for their communities.

Should we be okay with such a court system?

Okay, I agree that there are similarities between religions.

However, Christianity has had a 230 year history of living in a "liberal democratic republic". Many of those Christians were part of the founders of that nation, helping to clarify the most important ideas.

All I'm saying is that we simply do NOT have a history of working long-term democracy with Muslims. Merkl, Sarkozy and Cameron all are coming to grips with the fact that Muslim populations have resisted assimilation into their "liberal democracies". As a result, those "liberal democracies" are in danger of losing the freedoms that they are based upon.

Sure, many Christians would like to re-impose Biblical standards of morality in society. However, nowhere are they doing that outside of the Constitutional procedures. Make no mistake, Christians have lived in, embraced, come to terms with and helped "liberal democracy" for over 230 years (more if you include the run up to the Revolutionary War).

230 years. How long will they have to do so before you consider Christians okay with "liberal democracies"? 400 years? 1,000??

We simply have no historical record of long-standing successful Islamic interaction with democracy.

My Islamic friend, here in my town, actively works to change our "liberal democracy" to be Shariah law, which is theocracy.

EEZMAMATA,

"Guys like this fear the muslims because they are Exactly The Same kind of people."

That darned Huckabee does have the look of a rabid terrorist about him, doesn't he? I mean, who would be surprised if he walked into the Fox News building with a bomb strapped to his torso any day now?

"Don't worry switzer, the secularists, atheists, and rational people in the US - you know, the same ones fighting against your silly religion oppressing us all, will also fight against the muslims doing it."

Well, I know I feel all warm, fuzzy and safe knowing that the measly 2% of our population who claim to be secularists and atheists have "got our backs."

I'm sure the 2 billion Muslims of the world don't stand a chance against such a large number tough-guys like yourself.

DANNYINTHEPUPPYSPLAYPEN,

"Yes, but .... Christianity and Islam not THAT different. Oh, I know, I know, Christians and Muslims would scream bloody murder to hear someone say such a blasephmous thing. But of cours, all of the tiny nuances are somewhat different .... but come on, let's face it ... they are remarkably, weirdly similar ... it is foolish for the one to hate the other for being so alien, for even in this hatred of each other, they are the same."

Yes, we are all pulling our hair out trying to figure a way to stop all these rabid Christians from flying planes into buildings and blowing themselves up in busy market-places around the world.

I not sure why everyone doesn't understand how "remarkably, weirdly similar" Islam and Christianity actually are.

I'm glad it's not flying under the radar of such a sharp pencil as yourself.

Islamists are cool. Just ask Lara Logan,

"However, there were NO Muslims who signed it."

What a total, complete, and absolute fool this guy is.

There were no republicans who signed it either. Is this reason enough to suspend the rights of republicans since they didn't sign the declaration, didn't contribute to the original constitution?

Guys like this fear the muslims because they are Exactly The Same kind of people.

Don't worry switzer, the secularists, atheists, and rational people in the US - you know, the same ones fighting against your silly religion oppressing us all, will also fight against the muslims doing it.

Really, you and the muslims are the same people.

Jonswitzer

Yes, but ...

... Christianity and Islam not THAT different.

Oh, I know, I know, Christians and Muslims would scream bloody murder to hear someone say such a blasephmous thing. But of cours, all of the tiny nuances are somewhat different ...

... but come on, let's face it ... they are remarkably, weirdly similar ... it is foolish for the one to hate the other for being so alien, for even in this hatred of each other, they are the same.

Sarkozy (France), Cameron (UK), Merkl (Germany) all have publicly declared the failure of "multi-culturalism" specifically related to the unwillingness of Muslims to participate in "liberal" democratic society. Huckabee's courage to admit the same here is to be commended. When will we take our head out of the sand and realize that "liberal" democratic values require certain compromises that Christians have made from the Revolution (1776) til now and that Muslims in both Europe and here have been unwilling to make. My Islamic Society President friend also said publicly that his goal is to see Shariah law established in our town. Again, he was a great soccer player. Nevertheless, Islam, as he sees it, is here to change our legal system to Shariah. Again, our Constitution was developed by both strong Christians AND non-believers. However, there were NO Muslims who signed it. Europe has found Muslims to refuse to adapt to the "liberal" democratic community. I have simply found the same to be true here. Huckabee is raising valid, important and internationally recognized issues.

Quit picking on the GOP already, they're no worse than the muslims.

The very righteous Reverend Huckabee's characterization of how Muslims view Jesus tells us more about him that it does about Muslims.

First, it tells us how little regard this former presidental candidate and "vessel of Christ" have for truth and the accuracy of his statements. One need only do a quick google search to learn that Muslims revere Jesus as one of God's greatest messengers to humankind and respect Christians and Jews as people who received divine revelation. Huckabee's clearly inaccurate comments is not only offensive to Muslims, they are also offensive to Christians of goodwill the world over.

Secondly, Huckabee's attack on Muslims regarding the personage of Jesus, also tells us how he really and truly feels about Jews. If he is so virulently intolerant of Muslims who love and honor Jesus, albeit as a Prophet of God, its pretty clear that Huckabee must really, although secretly, loathe the followers of Judaism, who reject Christ, altogether.

So, not only is Huckabee an ignorant Islamophobe, he is also a lying and deceitful anti-semite.

I cannot believe that this is an actual discussion.

the GOP is trawling the globe for a fight, as always, to take something that probably isn't theirs....

nothing new here.

THat's what the conservatives among you do: you hoarde, you attach to, you affiliate with, you suck up to, then protect your hoard, and then you condone killing for protection of that hoard, and you're just as backwards as those you condemn.

This is in the News today ?

Everyone knows that the GOP is not the friend of anyone but themselves.

seems islam is also a political tool...
why doesn't a small town implement sharia law for a month...
and televise what happens...
let the people decide...

In the 2012 race to be a Pharisee, Mike Huckabee recently moved to the head of the pack and as we get closer to the Republican primary for President we can expect more hilarity to ensue.

It really is funny to me when the Christian Right gets all bent out of shape about Islam in America. For starters, it illustrates one of the real problems with religion. Since religion is based on faith alone, there is no independent way to verify which religion (if any) is the correct one. With science, we have an independent method of verification called the scientific method. So if we have two competing scientific theories, we just look to see which has the most evidence supporting it. When a theory has strong evidence, most scientists (Creationist hacks excluded) have no problem admitting it even if they supported a theory with less evidence.

You can read the rest of my response to this topic:
http://exm.nr/fxdATn

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(CNN) -- The number of radical right groups in America -- including hate groups, "Patriot" groups and nativist groups -- increased in 2010 for the second year in a row, according to a report by the Southern Poverty Law Center.

The organization's quarterly publication, "Intelligence Report," said that the growth was "driven by resentment over the changing racial demographics of the country, frustration over the government's handling of the economy, and the mainstreaming of conspiracy theories and other demonizing propaganda aimed at various minorities."

The SPLC documented 1,002 hate groups operating in the United States in 2010, a 7.5% increase from the year before. It was the first time that more than 1,000 hate groups were recorded since the organization started tracking them in the 1980s.

But the biggest growth was in so-called "Patriot" groups, which the organization described as conspiracy-minded groups that see the federal government as their primary enemy. There were 300 new groups like this, an increase of more than 60% from the year before, the report said. A lot of the growth in the Patriot groups came from an increase in the number of militias recorded.

There was also a smaller increase in the number of anti-immigrant vigilante groups, SPLC reported.

Governor Huckabee knows that turning the other cheek is the Christian thing to do.

Luckily, he also knows that turning the other cheek to radical Muslims just means they failed to kill you the first time and you're giving them a second chance.

It is impossible to talk about US defense and anti-terrorism without talking about Muslims. Acting like discussing religion is out of bounds is head in the sand ostrich behavior.

Sarkozy (France), Cameron (UK), Merkl (Germany) all have publicly declared the failure of "multi-culturalism" specifically related to the unwillingness of Muslims to participate in "liberal" democratic society. Huckabee's courage to admit the same here is to be commended. When will we take our head out of the sand and realize that "liberal" democratic values require certain compromises that Christians have made from the Revolution (1776) til now and that Muslims in both Europe and here have been unwilling to make. My Islamic Society President friend also said publicly that his goal is to see Shariah law established in our town. Again, he was a great soccer player. Nevertheless, Islam, as he sees it, is here to change our legal system to Shariah. Again, our Constitution was developed by both strong Christians AND non-believers. However, there were NO Muslims who signed it. Europe has found Muslims to refuse to adapt to the "liberal" democratic community. I have simply found the same to be true here. Huckabee is raising valid, important and internationally recognized issues.

Scapegoating Muslims-the new RepuBPlican McCarthyism.

Moody

"What 150,000 US troops are doing in Afghanistan? Are they doing picnic over there?"

You really do not know the answer? The 9/11 attacks on the World Trade Towers were launched from Afghanistan.

Do you really expect there would be no retalliation against a visicous military sneak attack upon thousands of innocent civillians? And that also is one of the main reasons why there is now in America and Europe profound mistrust and disgust with Islam and Islamic people. Did you ever stop to think, that after what Islam has done, maybe Islamophobia is good?

Your rants on this thread are only succeeding in re-enforcing all of the stereotypes that Western people have of the bitter, angry, and violent Muslim. You are not helping your cause AT ALL, but you are intead, merely digging yourself into a deeper and deeper hole.

You could could be a little more humble, and recognize that running throughout your beloved Islam is a streak of modernist Nihilsim, which seeks only to destroy all that is un-Islamic, and that perhaps it is your ugly attitude against your fellow man, which you flamboyantly exhibit here, that could be partly responsible for engendering this strain of Nihilism.

You seem to have very little experienc or knowledge of the world outside of what you have been pre-programmed and brainwashed to know, by your overloads, and masters.

I do not think the naked body is immoral or ugly; what is immoral and ugly is the suicide bomber's belt, designed to rip the flesh apart, exposing nakedness, as well as as interior flesh, blood, guts, muscle/meat, and brains, in the one who deliberately detonates it, as well as the brutal and visious murder of any random, innocent person, who happens to be unlucky enough to stand near such a depraved, yet modest and pious Muslim.

The terror and torture of Muslims in Bosnia, Kosovo and Kuwait were ended by the proper application of the military forces of the USA and her freedom-loving friends.

Radovan Karadzic was finally captured on 7/23/08 and is charged with genocide, crimes against humanity and violations of the law of war - charges related to the 1992-1995 civil war that followed Bosnia-Herzegovina's secession from Yugoslavia.

- And of course the bloody terror brought about by the Japanese, Nazis and Communists was with great difficulty eliminated by the good guys.

Whaaaaaaaaat?

What 150,000 US troops are doing in Afghanistan? Are they doing picnic over there?

They are doing the same, what they did to Iraqi civilians in the name of freedom, ONLY killing them and clearing their black gold GAS future routes..

Under O B A M A insturctions.......

For any reasonable mind set,

Covering head shouldn't be THE issue..But nakedness should be...

Islam teaches to take the middle path, and does not teach to hide under clothes, neither to take them off in front of everyone other than husband or wife.

Elements of our War on Terror and Aggression:

-Operation Iraqi Freedom- The 24/7 Sunni-Shiite centuries-old blood feud currently being carried out in Iraq, US Troops killed in action, 3,481 and 924 died in non-combat, 97,172 – 106,047 Iraqi civilians killed as of 8/10/2010 mostly due the Shiite and Sunni suicide bombers.

- Operation Enduring Freedom in Afghanistan: US troops 1,116 killed in action, 902 killed in non-combat situations as of 08/10/2010. Over 40,000 Afghan civilians killed due to the dark-age, koranic-driven Taliban acts of horror,

- Saddam, his sons and major henchmen have been deleted. Saddam's bravado about WMD was one of his major mistakes. Kuwait was saved.

- Iran is being been contained. (beside containing the Sunni-Shiite civil war in Baghdad, that is the main reason we are in Iraq. And yes, essential oil continues to flow from the region.)

- Libya has become almost civil. Recently Libya agreed to pay $1.5 billion to the victims of their terrorist activities. Apparently this new reality from an Islamic country has upset OBL and his “crazies” as they have thre-atened Libya. OBL sure is a disgrace to the world especially the Moslem world!!! Or is he???

- North Korea is still uncivil but is contained.

- Northern Ireland is finally at peace.

- The Jews and Palestinians are being separated by walls. Hopefully the walls will follow the 1948 UN accords. Unfortunately the Annapolis Peace Conference was not successful. And unfortunately the recent events in Gaza has put this situation back to “square one”. And this significant stupidity is driven by the mythical foundations of both religions!!!

- Bin Laden has been cornered under a rock in Western Pakistan since 9/11.

- Fanatical Islam has basically been contained to the Middle East but a wall between India and Pakistan would be a plus for world peace. Ditto for a wall between Afghanistan and Pakistan.

- Timothy McVeigh was executed. Terry Nichols will follow soon.

- Eric Rudolph is spending three life terms in pri-son with no parole.

- Jim Jones, David Koresh, Kaczynski, the "nuns" from Rwanda, and the KKK were all dealt with and either eliminated themselves or are being punished.

- Islamic Sudan, Darfur and So-malia are still terror hot spots.

- The terror and torture of Muslims in Bosnia, Kosovo and Kuwait were ended by the proper application of the military forces of the USA and her freedom-loving friends. Radovan Karadzic was finally captured on 7/23/08 and is charged with genocide, crimes against humanity and violations of the law of war - charges related to the 1992-1995 civil war that followed Bosnia-Herzegovina's secession from Yugoslavia.

- And of course the bloody terror brought about by the Ja-panese, Na-zis and Communists was with great difficulty eliminated by the good guys.

Mooody

Try this youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-SvxEYLFTM

It was supposed to be an Islamic protest agains the French government restrictions on Muslim women's clothes.

But, ah, with all protests, it is a double edged sword. I am afraid that it actually eroded Islamic custom more than conserved it.

Moooooody

Tell us more about how what a murderer President Obama is. Are his hands as bloody as the Iranian Caesars, who shot down the innocent woman in public, Neta? or all of the other peaceful demonstrators, seeking freedom and democracy?

What about Kadaffy? What about the disgraced, deposed, and dead dictator Saddam Hussein, one of the greatest murderers in all of history, even rivalling Hitler, Stalin, and Mao? Are you proud of his Muslim legacy? Why do you pick on President Obama?

You hate American because it is the largest and wealthiest country, and you hate Obama because he is our President, site unseen.

And you seek proof for everything you say by citing youtube? Aren't you a little rediculous? Isn't youtube actually a wicked Western influence that is eroding traditional Islam?

The bitterness of my words is ONLY AGAINST the atrocities of present modren so called world at GIGANTIIC WORLD LEVEL...WITHOUT CONSCIOUS..

And against there same HORRIBLE past....

If you choose to blame someone else, people like me, then its very obviouse.... someone has to put the blame on..... I guess its the most fair justice.... to be done... in the unfortunate opinion of so many.....

Leave it to a fundamentalist Christian like Mike Huckabee to stupidize an important issue. The problem with Islam isn't contradicting Jesus but contradicting American values as embodied in our Constitution.

Islam is peace
Following the Quran brings true freedom
The Quran is God's eternal word to mankind

Isn't too different Big Brother's party slogan.

Mooooooody,

Tell us more about how wicked the West is. Critique Western democracy, and tell us why it is so bad to have free and fair elections on a regular basis, why it is bad for all people to have equal rights, why freedom of speech, religion, assembly, and thought are wicked Western influences, designed to destroy Islam.

Tell us how Western freedom of speech, to draw a cartoon of Mohammed, is such blasphemy, heresy, apostasy that any horrible wick violence is justifiable in reaction.

Mooody

Tell us more about the Jews, how you hate them, how they are guilty of every bad thing that has ever happened since the beginning of time, how they have personally harmed you, how they have held your people back. Tell us how 9/11 never happened, but if it did, it was the Jews who did it.

Mooody

"People here speak about Islam, excuse my language, who don't know sh.t about it,"

Yes, but that's what you do; you speak about America, the West, Christianity, and the Jews, and you don't know what you're talking about. Maybe you are a self-righteous, pious hypocrite?

When you are here proselyzing your primitive beliefs, you should expect a push-back.

You think you can just say "open wide" while you shove your religion down our throats? I don't think so.

Mooody

"People here speak about Islam, excuse my language, who don't know sh.t about it,"

Yes, but that's what you do; you speak about America, the West, Christianity, and the Jews, and you don't know what you're talking about. Maybe you are a self-righteous, pious hypocrite?

When you are here proselyzing your primitive beliefs, you should expect a push-back.

You think you can just say "open wide" while you shove your religion down our throats? I don't think so.

Hence ground reality based on facts speaks against your opposing continuous viral arguments about Islam.....:)

You never even dare to refute....only argue

Definitely Islam should be debated in political arenas just like any foreign political ideology. This is because Islam is a political ideology that masquerades as a “religion”. It is a primitive ideology that is to a large extent responsible for almost all what civilized societies see as wrong with the Muslim societies. It is natural for humanity to strive forward than to regress backward.

TO THE BLIND AND LIARS LIKE YEAL9:

Don't you see 150 million COPTIC CHRISTIANS since the beginning of time present in middle east.

If the Muslims are or were same like you, thay could have burned them through HERESY laws under the basements of their churchs or converted them like CRUSADERS since until Ottoman Muslim Empire in last century. And could have finished the job like today in Bosnia under your and NATO BIG NOSE.......

REPLY TO LIARS LIKE YEAL9:

TAX
See not, Hear not, Feel not...what conscious..
People here speak about Islam, excuse my language, who don't know sh.t about it, setting an example like their Lying Presidents setting example in front of the world.....
If there is any country under Islamic Law, in present world (at present there is none) Muslims pay zakat on savings left out of profits 2.5% per annum. Muslims still pay all over world with or without govt. enforcement, as compulsory in Islam as charity other than their regular govt. taxes happily. And almost same (3 to 5%) will apply as tax to any non Muslim under Islamic Law govt, at present which there is none........
NOW COME TO WEST
instead of 20 to 50% tax now the western poor masses are paying to their reach minute masters. Only Saudi Arabia Govt do not charge any tax presently and there masses pays 2.5% annual Zakat at their free will..

Mooody

"If you really want to convince Muslims, bring SOMETHING..ANYTHING better than this…"

No one is trying to convince Muslims of anything. When I see the name of "Mooody" posting, all I see is Jew-hating intolerance.

You're an elephant.

Oops! I mean, you're irrelevant.

REPLY TO LIARS LIKE YEAL9:
Less than 3% of the Muslim world 1.5 billion have more than one partner and that is ONLY through marriage...religious legal binding which in more than 85% last for life with 98 to 99% marriage rate and only due to some odd reason if not married ....which secures women rights over Children... property....their bread and butter which is solely mans responsibility... Muslims do not call their partners housewife’s... they call them home makers....Muslim women have 3 time right over their children then men. They are not bound to spend their wealth or property or earning on their men but their men is...
Qur’an is the only unchanged Holy Scripture in the world from last 1400 years and non other which says "marry 2 or 3 or 4 if you can do justice, but marry only one if you cannot"....
I'm not here for preaching..... you can reach below person...in my first or second post... where it says Introduction to Qur’an to even ask any provocative concern anybody have...even 1000 questions... CREDIT GOES TO YOUR MASTERS MEDIA….
NOW COME TO WEST... (And if little shame is left stop lying about Islam)
On average western men settle down after 8 female partners, which could be less or more, and that is very small %age....and the relations are even not long lasting.
USA has 8 to 10 million women more than men. What option you offer them....marry already married men and get all the benefits OR don't marry and become public properties...I don't have more decent words.....
Unbalanced, unnatural responsibility, children and wealth laws. Causing kids transfer to foster unnatural or homo parents....hence 10 to 13% Incest just in USA...
No legal binding of men with women giving them free of responsibility access to the women....Hence 40% teenage pregnancies....hence killing 40 million unborn human children just in USA........
On average every second women is raped in USA once in her life time. Every day on average 3000 rapes in USA
On average every 4th person in USA has jailed once in his life time. Not a single family left whose one or two person not jailed in their life time in USA.Now these are not my states. These are your home department figures and from human right organizations....just google.....
FREEDOM
Freedom from responsibility is inhuman, and freedom from oppression is every human beings right.Taking away others human rights is biggest oppression of today….just one example out of many…Taking western women legal property, kids, income support rights away by denying and having free of responsibility access to them without legal binding. And after that telling them live against your nature, even alone, not just have kids, maintain them and your house but in any case it is not an “option of your choice” you must work and earn too. Otherwise you are branded as housewife and not the home maker. Are they human or some supper machines? …….in result which cost them to compromise… mostly with their kids and their homes….

If you really want to convince Muslims, bring SOMETHING..ANYTHING better than this…

INTRODUCTION TO ISLAM & QUR’AN

While someone here speaking of .. complexity of life on Earth simply could not be the result of random chance ... it is interesting to also watch..

What modern scientists says about findings in Qur’an

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUUPYs0gElU&feature=related

At Oxford Union from Oxford University… An Indroduction to Islam & Qur’an... Question Answers …..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEMrS9sg9TM

"Islam does not permit discrimination in the treatment of other human beings on the basis of religion or any other criteria...."

Hmmm?

Islam gives women almost no rights and treats them like fodder for the male species as so bluntly noted by Ayaan Hirsi Ali in her autobiography, Infidel.

"Thus begins the extraordinary story of a woman born into a family of desert nomads, circumcised as a child, educated by radical imams in Kenya and Saudi Arabia, taught to believe that if she uncovered her hair, terrible tragedies would ensue. It's a story that, with a few different twists, really could have led to a wretched life and a lonely death, as her grandmother warned. But instead, Hirsi Ali escaped – and transformed herself into an internationally renowned spokeswoman for the rights of Muslim women."

ref: Washington Post book review.
some excerpts:

"Some of the Saudi women in our neighborhood were regularly beaten by their husbands. You could hear them at night. Their screams resounded across the courtyards. "No! Please! By Allah!"

"The Pakistanis were Muslims but they too had castes. The Untouchable girls, both Indian and Pakistani were darker skin. The others would not play with them because they were untouchable. We thought that was funny because of course they were tou-chable: we touched them see? but also hor-rifying to think of yourself as untouchable, despicable to the human race."

"Between October 2004 and May 2005, eleven Muslim girls were killed by their families in just two regions (there are 20 regions in Holland). After that, people stopped telling me I was exaggerating."

"The kind on thinking I saw in Saudi Arabia and among the Brotherhood of Kenya and Som-alia, is incompatible with human rights and liberal values. It preserves the feu-dal mind-set based on tribal concepts of honor and shame. It rests on self-deception, hyprocricy, and double standards. It relies on the technologial advances of the West while pretending to ignore their origin in Western thinking. This mind-set makes the transition to modernity very painful for all who practice Islam".

slam does not permit discrimination in the treatment of other human beings on the basis of religion or any other criteria… it emphasises neighborliness and respect for the ties of relationship with non-Muslims …within this human family, Jews and Christians, who share many beliefs and values with Muslims, constitute what Islam terms Ahl al-Kitab, that is, People of the Scripture, and hence Muslim have a special relationship to them as fellow "Scriptuaries".

This is a wonderful article. The things given are unanimous and needs to be appreciated by everyone.
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ashish

Surveys

Given the "leftist" (LOL) humanitarian bent of this blog, I am stunned that Rev. Jeremiah Wright, guest of Muammar Gadaffi, close friend of Farakkhan, whose career has been financed by Gadaffi has not been invited to post in response to this question.

Whatever could it mean? Wright has blogged here, post revelation of his antiwhite bias, of his "them Jews" remarks...?

Given that the issue is Christianity and Islam, that Wright is a friend of Muammar Gadaffi, whom he has defended, why is ONFAITH's GADAFFI LOVING WRIGHT NOT PRESENT?

Wright is still antisemitic, just as Gandhi is. Has never renounced either Farrakhan or Gadaffi?

Well?

Ms. Tenety, you, of course, are also welcome to reply.

Would you recommend that a Christian church, perhaps, Wright's former church host Muslim Gadaffi?

ONFaith, can you tell us how you live with yourself?

Oh, and three hundred million Dallit, not to mention Pakistan's Dalit, would also like an answer to that question.

Sarkozy (France), Cameron (UK), Merkl (Germany) all have publicly declared the failure of "multi-culturalism" specifically related to the unwillingness of Muslims to participate in "liberal" democratic society. Huckabee's courage to admit the same here is to be commended. When will we take our head out of the sand and realize that "liberal" democratic values require certain compromises that Christians have made from the Revolution (1776) til now and that Muslims in both Europe and here have been unwilling to make. My Islamic Society President friend also said publicly that his goal is to see Shariah law established in our town. Again, he was a great soccer player. Nevertheless, Islam, as he sees it, is here to change our legal system to Shariah. Again, our Constitution was developed by both strong Christians AND non-believers. However, there were NO Muslims who signed it. Europe has found Muslims to refuse to adapt to the "liberal" democratic community. I have simply found the same to be true here. Huckabee is raising valid, important and internationally recognized issues.

Four men in UK slash Religious Education teacher's face for teaching other religions to Muslim girls:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1359160/4-men-slashed-teachers-face-teaching-religions-Muslim-girls.html

Equivalents from any other faith traditions?

"Muslims are no more of a threat then Huckabee's twisted Teaparty Taliban who resort to the tactics of Mubarak and Qaddafi."

Hmmm?

Just some of the koranic-driven acts of terror and horror:

1a) 179 killed in Mumbai/Bombay, 290 injured

1b) Assassination of Benazir Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh

2) 9/11, 3000 mostly US citizens, 1000’s injured

3) The 24/7 Sunni-Shiite centuries-old blood feud currently being carried out in Iraq, US Troops killed in action, 3,481 and 924 died in non-combat 98,691 – 107,707
Iraqi civilians killed as of 11/9/2010, http://www.iraqbodycount.org/ and
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/casualty.pdf

4) Kenya- In Nairobi, about 212 people were killed and an estimated 4000 injured; in Dar es Salaam, the attack killed at least 11 and wounded 85.[2]

5) Bali-in 2002-killing 202 people, 164 of whom were foreign nationals, and 38 Indonesian citizens. A further 209 people were injured.

6) Bali in 2005- Twenty people were killed, and 129 people were injured by three bombers who killed themselves in the attacks.

7) Spain in 2004- killing 191 people and wounding 2,050.

8. UK in 2005- The bombings killed 52 commuters and the four radical Islamic suicide bombers, injured 700.

9) The execution of an eloping couple in Afghanistan on 04/15/2009 by the Taliban.

10) - Afghanistan: US troops 1,116 killed in action, 902 killed in non-combat situations as of 08/10/2010. Over 40,000 Afghan civilians killed due to the dark-age, koranic-driven Taliban acts of horror

11) The killing of 13 citizen soldiers at Ft. Hood by a follower of the koran.

12) 38 Russian citizens killed on March 29, 2010 by Muslim women suicide bombers.

13) The May 28, 2010 attack on a Islamic religious minority in Pakistan, which have left 98 dead,

14) Lockerbie is known internationally as the site where, on 21 December 1988, the wreckage of Pan Am Flight 103 crashed as a result of a terrorist bomb. In the United Kingdom the event is referred to as the Lockerbie disaster, the Lockerbie bombing, or simply Lockerbie. Eleven townspeople were killed in Sherwood Crescent, where the plane's wings and fuel tanks plummeted in a fiery explosion, destroying several houses and leaving a huge crater, with debris causing damage to a number of buildings nearby. The 270 fatalities (259 on the plane, 11 in Lockerbie) were citizens of 21 nations.

15) Followed by the daily suicide and/or roadside and/or mosque bombings every day in the terror world of Islam.

16) Bombs sent from Yemen by followers of the koran which fortunately were discovered before the bombs were detonated.

17) The killing of 58 Christians in a Catholic church in one of the latest acts of horror and terror in Iraq.

18) Moscow airport suicide bombing: 35 dead, 130 injured. January 25, 2011.

Maybe when Huckabee "takes this Nation back for Christ" and "changes the Constitution" to his version of "God's Standards" he can simply deport all American Muslims and hire the "Christian" Xe successors to Blackwater to simply exterminate the rest. Then he can move on to abortion doctors and gays and finish up with Mexicans and the "non-believers"

How entertaining, in his never ending search for scapegoats after St. Reagan defeated the Communists single handidly, he picked Muslims whose teats he would have us eternally suckle for our oil addiction instead of threatening BP's profits by exploring alternative energy.

Muslims are no more of a threat then Huckabee's twisted Teaparty Taliban who resort to the tactics of Mubarak and Qaddafi.

Madison, Wisconsin (CNN) -- A left-leaning website that union supporters used to rally protesters in Wisconsin was partially blocked as demonstrators gathered in the state Capitol over a controversial budget bill.

The website, defendwisconsin.org, could not be accessed on Monday and into Tuesday morning in the Capitol building, where crowds assembled over proposed legislation that would increase the costs of benefits to public employees and curb their collective-bargaining rights.

Wisconsin Democratic Party press secretary Graeme Zielinski blamed Gov. Scott Walker and Republican lawmakers -- who returned to work Tuesday -- for causing the outage.

"In a direct assault on the First Amendment, Scott Walker's administration is blocking access in the Wisconsin Capitol to opposition websites," Zielinski said.

The Capitol internet service, which restricts access to certain websites considered inappropriate for lawmakers, revealed a "blocked page" when users tried to access the site using the building's wireless system.

Okay, I'm white, republican, male...I played with the President of the Local Islamic Society on an indoor soccer team. Great soccer player. Both he and his brother. I invited him to a public debate dealing with Islam locally. I caught him in three blatant lies about "Dhimmi" status in Islamic countries. He publicly refused to talk about it and then privately opened up. It was shameful. I guess I'm to blame, though, for my distrust. After all I am white, male and Republican.

This is another biased way On Faith presents significant questions. Take an important issue, like "Should we fear Islam," and de-legitimatize it by implying that the issue is the way Mike Huckabee framed it.

We should fear Islam because it's an outmoded faith system that doesn't contain sufficient self-correcting mechanisms. Their holy book was dictated word-for-word in Arabic and can never change or even be translated. Welcome to the seventh century forever.

Something like 90% of Muslims worldwide reject evolution. And we should reject anyone who isn't going to help a build a society based on scientific ideas.

http://helios.hampshire.edu/~sahCS/Hameed-Science-Creationism.pdf

The problem is, the clash of the religious intolerant.

When an intolerant person suddenly comprehends the political and religious doctrine of toleration, I call that a Hellen Keller moment. But unfortunately, it does not happen very often.

Mooody and Mono, on the previous thread, are mired in their intolerant degeneracy, trashing all that is dear to Westerners, yet seeking, expecting, and demanding respect, respect which they do not exend to other people, and which they will never get from the people whom they trash.

In 1776, we created this country with freedom of religion. We pride ourselves with being free, yet our politicians bash other religions because they are christian. How ironic is that?
Also, you can't bash Islam just because Muslim people are stereotypically terrorists. Sorry to burst your bubble, but there are many Christian extremest groups out there. Republicans are biased against many things that our constitution says are fine, and I think that is wrong.

paxglobalemail,

"If you can show me where in the Bible Jesus ever said that "I am God" or "worship me" - I will convert to Christianity. Don't come up with indirect references or verses alluding to it. OR show me where in the Bible is the word Trinity mentioned?"

What are you willing to do if I show you where's Waldo (peace be upon him)?

It worked for Joseph McCarthy in the 50's and now Peter King wants his 15 minutes of fame. History will note how the two are very similar.

@biblecommentator you need to get your facts right. Quran calls Jesus (peace be upon him) a Messiah, who could do miracles, raise the deads, treat the lepers etc. Quran makes it very clear - he was a prophet, one of the mightiest messengers sent to mankind and a human being.

Muslims conform to 1 John 2:22 completely that Jesus (pbuh) is a Messiah.

If you can show me where in the Bible Jesus ever said that "I am God" or "worship me" - I will convert to Christianity. Don't come up with indirect references or verses alluding to it. OR show me where in the Bible is the word Trinity mentioned?

Huckabee and his like make it difficult for those of us who have legitimate philosophical and human rights related problems with Islam to speak without being branded 'Islamophobic'. I think its far more important that we talk about how Muslims wanting to impose Sharia on their coreligionists will affect civil liberties, and how women in Muslim families are able to get their fair slice of the American dream without having medieval values put on them. Just last month a Muslim actress in the UK, who was in the Harry Potter movies, was severely beaten by her brother for dating a Hindu. There are very real issues, and they aren't necessarily confined to just Islam, as various branches of Christianity and Judaism can put good people on evil paths.

Sadly Mr. Huckabee's comments (if reported in context?) are too narrow. Whilst it is a fact that Islam denies the essential deity of Jesus Christ, and therefore may be considered "anti-Christ" by New Testament standards(see 1 John 2:22)it is an absurd myth to say that all (or even most) Moslems wish to kill Christians, or obliterate the Christian faith.

If politicians wish to discuss theology in public, I am pleased. But too often men on all sides of a debate allow anger to distort their views and arguments. The New Testament warns that theology should never be discussed in this way (2 Tim. 2:24).

According to Scripture, national leaders are the servants of God, and are required to act impartially, as He does. Jesus did not treat Samaritans or Romans differently to Jews. God loves the world, and Jesus is a Saviour for all people.

Let us not allow such a glorious Gospel to be tainted with the politics of anger, fear or revenge.

What Huckabee should have said:

Recognizing the flaws, follies and frauds in the foundations of Islam, Judaism and Christianity by the "bowers", kneelers" and "pew peasants" will converge these religions into some simple rules of life. No koran, bible, clerics, nuns, monks, imams, evangelicals, ayatollahs, rabbis, professors of religion or priests needed or desired.

Ditto for houses of "worthless worship" aka mosques, churches, basilicas, cathedrals, temples and synagogues.

Considering that most people who call themselves "Republican" are white, I think it is only natural that they would be just as hostile to Islamic people as they are to all other somewhat off-white people.

"Most people" is actually an understatement. Republicans are almost totally and completely, white, caucasian people, with almost no exceptions. In fact, black Republicans are actually a curiousity, and even have local fame, in their own social circles.

AND, these white Republicans are arrogant snobs, who regard God and Jesus, also, as Republicans, and who are offended, even at the very existence of people who have opposing opinions and points of view.