Actually, all the trouble in the world is due to the Wiccan Goddess (traditionally the Triple Goddess) and also their Horned God. We keep blaming them followed by calling them to correct all these ills but nothing happens. Hmmmm????

Just throwing this out there for the monotheist crowd:

Has it ever occurred to you guys that just *maybe* you're acting like a bunch of children trying to deflect the blame for this that, and the other thing in whatever direction it takes to divert the wrath of what you see as an abusive parent, and in the process just plain behaving badly, even by your own standards?

My. Gods. People.

You're so scared of being blamed for what you obsessively do trying to push off the blame, that you make mockeries of everything you claim to represent, and hurt yourselves, each other, any given bystander, and the name of who you claim to revere in the process.

You hear a parable about motes and planks and all you do is point at each other, "You people got a plank in your eye!"

Work it out, would you? Just listening to you gives me a headache where my faith in humanity ought to be. Gods know what it's like for you, at this point.

Convincing yourself you were right all along doesn't mean you see nothing. Never mind constitute virtue.

Stop the hate, *and* the stupidity, *first.* Then bloody well have a Battle of the Bands about who takes the credit.

Once again, the weekend is here and our "new" "gibberisher" is hard at work knowing that the moderators are off for the weekend. Adding a bit of free space got the moderators early attention last week. Let see how it works this week.

Apparently, this "gibberisher" is the same person who simply gets another email address for registration purposes (there are ~1500 email providers on the net). You would think said person would get tired of all this subterfuge and being banned every week. Apparently re-registering does not bother said odd and strange individual
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IMPORTANT Message to CONGRESS et al:

Please see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Edgar_Hoover

Interesting: FBI's 1st Director (or is it KGB, M5, Massad...?), Mr. EDGAR HOOVER is said to have been a "Non-Straight" [Queer, a FAEGALAE).

Here's an Excerpt: On his SEXUALITY (Orientation? & or PREFRENCES?) "Hoover was a lifelong bachelor, and since at least the 1940s unsubstantiated rumors circulated that he was homosexual.[22] It has also been suggested that Clyde Tolson, an associate director of the FBI who was Hoover's heir, may also have been his lover.[23]"

INCAMERA (Secret): THIS is reality! Imagine, imagine a HOMOSEXUAL prefering RUSSIAN KGB agent whom goes around the World "Infiltrating" ALL known & unknown "NON-Straights" 9Queers, Faggitts..) so that They can have, not only a sexual Advantage; but a NATIONAL SECURITY ONE; all because Stupid CONGRESS had nothing else better to Do!

FACT: It is the NON-STRAIGHTs [Globally & Locally) dealings via their Fantacy times Whom are a NATIONAL SECURITY risk for the average John/Jane DOE at large in America or in any nation.! Selling (knowing or not knowing) a Nation for "Sexual Prefrence or Orientation' via Sexual Orgasims (if any) is the Lowest way to undermine a Nation.

Note: CORPORATE ESPIONAGE in Corporate America is also not Risk-Free via the NON-STRAIGHT [a great Tool to Steal & Destroy) movements International/Locals!

WAKe-UP AMERIK & Friendly's!

Disclaimer: If anyone gets offended by expressing-out here, that it is not our intention. Simply Move-On go to another Page/Link. Thanks.

NIKODOS99,

"...curse him that curseth thee.." ???

Does that also mean that God will "curse them who curseth me"?

If thou curseth me, will your God curseth thee?

Or is this scripture just resevered for Jews?

Tune in to "For God's Sake" next week when Hirschfield will be defending the hateful, red-faced, alcoholic, Irish Catholic Bill Donahue for spewing homophobia in the name of poor old Jesus, calling Catholic clergy child abuse victims "Gold Diggers" and defending pedophile priests.

Hirschfield is revealing his true colors by bashing Obama last week over the Nobel prize and now by being a lame apologist for hateful, racist (and stupid) anti-Semitic Huckabees from their homeland of South Carolina that also brought us Jesse Helms, Strom Thurmond, Gov. Sanford and RNC Fox New's latest darling of Joe Wilson.

Maybe Hiatt can move you to the Opinion page among his other neocon shills Gerson, Lane and Krauthammer or you can send your resume to Roger Ailes.

For CCNL's Eyes only and whom never Seen:

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-- On M. Kesslers post @ 11:59P; CCNL Freudiantly slippeth and says, "Many of us [OnWAPO here] who bravely criticize Islam on a daily basis on this blog [includes the Pastes & repaste/posts] are aware of this danger and would immediately fear for our lives if our names were made known."

Ummmm. Upon Analysis it does Sound like CCNL1 is A "PARANOID SCHIZOFRENIC" and one who has an acute bout of "RELIGIOUS JEALOUSY PSYCHOSIS" with a dab/pinch of "PRE-APOCALYPTIC SiNDROME" and more mental/Dilusions/Illusions.

PS: CCNL1 , on another post, knowingly stealing someone elses brilliance; and uses it as if his original-work said, "Drones should be equiped with NAPALM and every 6 months dropped from America to destroy the POPY Fields" [Similar said].

Hint: In order to Kill the TAliban/Al-Queda Crews; NAPALM droppings should be persistant on All OPIUM/HASH fields and should be done BEFORE, DURING and AFTER Harvest Seasons. Hence how to kill the Taliban/Al-Qaeda Mulim International Mafia's in less that 3 years REMOTELY [No need for U.S/Allies/Soldiers] Only U.N. oversight.

So, Bring back them well-Paid BOYS & GIRLS on U.S. Soil for more Important Work/Jobs ; Mr. President!

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Well, the weekend is here and our "new" "gibberisher" is hard at work knowing that the moderators are off for the weekend. Adding a bit of free space got the moderators' early attention last week. Let see how it works this week.
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BREAKING -- NEWS: Good Riddence:

"OSAMA BIN LADINS GRAVE WAS FOUND 10 minutes AGO"

More Details coming soon.

Note: OSAMA BID LADEN really really Died of Kidney Failure around June 2007. The Hash and the Opium stopped helping him. So he also died a Drug Addict!

Roomer also has it that He Matyred himself to meetup with 72 Cloudy looking wingy thingy Virgins and with two other friends, as he cowardly Blew-up his own dieing Body, to many peaces, as his family watched, from a distance, and then, the Poshtune roomer goes, that his

wives/Kids/worshipers/congregants/followers saved his Hide/skin and Bones for Souveniers and or place his remains in Entrances of Caves.

Eeeeeeeeeeee Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Amazing, NO GRACE! n NO-Class!

In addition to my previous statements, I would like to point out a question that Hirschfield asked in his commentary. He asked, "Are they really guilty of anti-Semitism, as many in both the Jewish community and in the Democratic Party have suggested?"

You've got to be kidding me! If the Jews want to see anti-Semitism, have them stick around when the Democratic Party throws Israel under the bus. When that happens, that will be the coup de grace of the once great nation of America.

In Genesis 12:2,3 God spoke to Abram and said, "And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed."

Zechariah 2:8 "For thus saith the LORD of hosts; After the glory hath he sent me unto the nations which spoiled you (Israel): for he that toucheth you toucheth the apple of his eye."

So, NIKO, you went out of your way to demonstrate your ignorance?

These two clowns apparently believed that their comments were perfectly acceptable -- i.e., they live in an environment, either South Carolina or the Republican Party, that considers this sort of casual slur normal.

In my book, that's ignorance.

"So if stereotyping and prejudice is wrong in all cases, then did anybody bother to count all of the spurious slurs on this page .... against South Carolinians?

Posted by: DouginMoz "

I think the rest of America is rightfully P.O.ed at what S.C. keeps sending out to try and tell the rest of the country what to do.

Maybe you don't ascribe to malice what can be explained by stupidity, but eventually the difference becomes moot.

Elect someone else next time. And tell those you did to stop handing us these steaming piles on a sandwich and calling themselves the arbiters of national morality... Unless, of course, they don't like someone they disapprove of having civil rights elsewhere.

So if stereotyping and prejudice is wrong in all cases, then did anybody bother to count all of the spurious slurs on this page .... against South Carolinians?

I don't think anyone is debating the stupidity of the comments these two GOP Goobers made. We have all became quite used to that by now, especially when it comes to utterances emminating from the State that led secession from the Union and still flies the flag that symbolized it. Hate is a hallmark of stupidity, an obviously expression of stupidity, and manifests itself in both word & deed. Considering what has been coming out of South Carolina over the past few years, we cannot dismiss them as mutually exclusive acts. Rather, now, as in 1862, they seem to go hand in hand. We should not be surprised, but we are allowed to be disgusted. Don't simply laugh this off. Comments that we view as goofy, or stupid, or ignorant are subject to our scrutiny, particulary so when made by politicians and others who have & wield power.

"And you have to love the fact that they defended a senator's avoidance of pork by explaining the Jewishness of his actions, even if it was not dietary laws which they had in mind."

That's a really good line. Good wit there - this guy knows how to turn a phrase.

To IRAE:

I am not debating the actual saying or where it originated. I just now googled the phrase as it was stated in Hirschfield's column. Here's what I found:

November 16, 2008 in http://3foldcord.blogspot.com/2008/11/take-care-of-pennies-and-dollars-will.html - "When my mom first graduated high school, she worked in a lawyer's office. The lawyer was an older Jewish man that always said, "Take care of the pennies and the dollars will take care of themselves."

In another blog, http://www.thriftyfun.com/tf41044786.tip.html, was written "A wise person once said, 'Watch the pennies, and the dollars will take care of themselves.' I have proven that to be true, and I hope you will, too........."

So you see, it has been attributed to both a Jew and also to a wise man. So, what's your beef? It is a noble thing to do. But you, in your stereotyping way, stated, "...but in typical Republican fashion these clowns have heard the word 'pennies' and a message of thrift and immediately both their synapses fired at once and the word 'Jews' bubbled to the top of their consciousness."

To me, it was meant as a compliment, to be wise and frugal.

I learned a long time ago, you can't debate ignorance.

"In this great country of ours, we must realize and face the facts of the matter
involving money."

"The Jews own the country.
The white people run it.
And the niggras play with
balls and white gals and
are good entertainers, and
have all the fun"!!!"

Thank you Richard Nixon.

""I agree !!"

Thank you Billy Graham, from
North Carolina !!!!!!!

The problem that this episode exposes is not one of anti-Semitism or hate speech, but one of prejudice. Prejudice is not necessarily hatred - it may even be a positive regard, as in the case of these two men. Similarly, people of Asain background have sometimes been regarded as hard-working, just as Mexicans and blacks have, on a negative note, been regarded as lazy, and people from Appalachia as stupid. The point of prejudice is that it pre-judges a person or people, relying on stereotypes. This gives a false view and valuing of people, and can lead to disasterous consequences. The difference between someone of a particular group who uses prejudicial statements of members of their own group, and someone from outside the group making similar statements, is that the person who is within that group is more likely that the one outside to know that the stereotype is false, and members of their group more complex than the stereotype admits. I worked for a while with kids in an institutional setting. Black kids were always referring to one another as "N....;" while still not appropriate, there is a profound difference between their doing so and a white kid using the same epithet.

nikosd99 - The actual saying goes, 'Take care of the pennies and the POUNDS will take care of themselves'. This saying does not, in any way, have its roots in Judaism, but in typical Republican fashion these clowns have heard the word 'pennies' and a message of thrift and immediately both their synapses fired at once and the word 'Jews' bubbled to the top of their consciousness.

The only stupidity that I see here are those that think that Merwin and Ulmer said something stupid or hateful. As I read and reread their quoted remarks about the frugalness of wealthy Jews, I see nothing that anyone should take issue with.

Also, they did not say it was a fact but rather that, "There is a saying....."

But, if it is a fact, it is something that they should be proud of. It doesn't say that they are cheap or stingy, but rather that they are being frugal as proven by their praise for Sen. DeMint for not jumping on the bandwagon to further spend our way into oblivion. Webster defines frugal as being "not wasteful; not spending freely or unnecessarily; saving; economical."

It seems that people, as soon as they see an ethnic group mentioned, start to figure out a way to try and make it look offensive instead of engaging their brains and reading it the way it was intended. I'm disappointed that Merwin and Ulmer, because of the outrage, succumbed to issuing apologies. All you thin-skinned ethnic groups should apologize to them for making an issue out of it.

Just go back to the 1978 SC Governor's race where Carroll Campbell along with his campaign staff Atwater and Rove Jew baited his opponent Max Heller with push polling. "Does Heller believe in the Lord Jesus Christ?"

I guess this current crop of rubes learned at their feet.

How often, during the Cheney administration, were we forced to wonder whether the failures originating at the White House originated from stupidity or from evil? Can't it be both? When your economic and political philosophy have their genesis in a distrust of education ("It's elitist!") and independent sources of information ("The Media is biased!") and a strong desire to get yours (or your group's) and let the devil take the hindmost, you tend to end up with a constituency that is ignorant, stupid, and greedy - a recipe for evil if I've ever seen one.

"I am convinced that there must be lead or mercury in the water down there that is eating away the brain cells of South Carolina politicians."

Don't forget the Rev. Bob Jones and his poisonous legacy. In the years leading to the Civil War, slaveowners throughout the South were fearful of slave uprisings, but this was so intense in SC that it became a military state. It's possible that living under a siege mentality took an enormous toll, but it's also possible that SC had that mentality and the militarization was simply the effect.

The mask of civility doesn't fit the GOP very well at all, that's why it always seems to fall off now and then, and we should not be surprised by what is revealed.

Look. Hate and stupidity are like Abbott and Costello, bread and butter, peanut butter and jelly. When Limbaugh says something blatantly stupid it is generally out of his hatefulness for anyone who doesn't look, act, think, talk, walk and smell like he does. Hate and stupidity are the salt and pepper of most of the ills mankind faces today.

Hmmmmm...more stupidity in South Carolina. Sanford, Demint, "You Lie!", now this.

Look. I am convinced that there must be lead or mercury in the water down there that is eating away the brain cells of South Carolina politicians.

"let me as a native white Southerner warn Rabbi Hirschfield. It's the same stupidity that led to 100 years of segregation, discrimination, and lynchings."

As a white person who has lived in the North and the South, what you describe as stupidity sounds more to me like fear and resentment. For three centuries, non-wealthy whites in the South knew that their skin color kept them one notch above blacks in the social hierarchy. Any attempt to lift the status of blacks (abolition, civil rights) was misinterpreted as persecution by those whites, particularly since those attempts were often made by people outside the South. That sense of persecution seems to permeate white Southern culture.

Ya. Ignorance is the breeding ground of hate and SC has a space devoted to ignorance stretching from NC to Georgia.

It's not a matter of whether it's hateful for them per se, but it's a matter of perpetuating stereotypes which fuel hatred among others (should we see how many racists there are in South Carolina?).

The thing is, people who don't think of others in stereotypes as a rule, don't think to SAY stupid things like this.

People who DO think of others in stereotypes, whether the more offensive kind or not (if that's possible), DO say things like this and likely _are_ racist - they're just not telling you.

So, was it racist in this instance? Well, stupid often coincides with racist - take the backwards swastika someone made into a lawn with Obama's name - and the GOP is full of people who are constantly "mis-speaking," but it's hard to believe from people who's sole profession is to watch what they say.

trust me. these birds are stupid and hateful. its possible to be both.

I understand the writer's idea that the comments of the GOPer's was stupid ratherthan hateful. But often, I've found, that hatred is an expression of stupidity. So I don't give the "gentlemen" a pass especially when they are in a business that relies on the expression of ideas and the careful chosing of one's words. For me this is another example of people being so comfortable in their bigotry that they let their guards down and reveal a truth about themselves that they otherwise wouldn't. I'm tired of giving these idiots, on the left and the right, a so called benefit of the doubt. They should be held accountable for their words and deeds.

Rabbi Hirschfield is too forgiving. He is absolutely right that the comments of these two troglodytes represent stupidity more than hate. But at what level does stupidity itself become such an agent of evil that it becomes unforgivable? I believe that you can make an excellent argument that stupidity more than outright hate explains the Nazi era in Germany.

The degree of ignorance, blindness, insensitivity, and isolation from reality displayed by the two Republicans is mind-numbing. What does it tell you about the insularity of the world in which they live that they could so innocently issue such a stereotypical public statement? Does Mr. Hirschfield not realize that they are one goose-step away from supporting discrimination and violence against their political opponents, or against anyone who disagrees with them on any issue? These are precisely the type of "ordinary" Americans who show up at town hall meetings on health care reform, absolutely convinced that the righteousness of their cause gives them the right to engage in disruptive tactics like screaming, interrupting opposing speakers, and refusing to yield the microphone. This is the mentality of people who believe it's OK to murder doctors who perform abortions, or provide sanctuary to those who commit the murder, and who want to forbid the teaching of evolution in our schools in favor of anti-intellectual creationism and intelligent design. It's a mentality that has waged a relentless war on God's truth, i.e., on science.

I'll bet you that these two reflect the consensus mentality in their communities. This is stupidity, yes--but it's the same stupidity that produces a Republican Party in the South that roundly denounces the federal government as a matter of course--while the South, more than any other region, reaps the benefits of federal largesse. It's the mentality that sends Representatives and Senators to Washington to have their health care provided by a federally-funded health insurance program--while they preach the gospel of the benefits of capitalist health care to their constituents. It's a mentality that believes that it is under siege and at its heart rests on lies, hypocrisy, cowardice, bullying, and unjustified resentment.

More to the point, let me as a native white Southerner warn Rabbi Hirschfield. It's the same stupidity that led to 100 years of segregation, discrimination, and lynchings. He discounts it to his peril.

Hmmm, "hsnkhwj"?? Where have we seen that ID before???

do NOT respect female genital mutilation, honor killing, stoning for adultery, or rape as a judicial punishment, even while admitting the GOALS of these acts might have some validity.

Posted by: WmarkW

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Just like you, there are people in other cultures who do not believe in women displaying their bodies to attract men, or countries with high rates of divorce, or women going to singles bars in search of men or women earning only 77 per cent of what men earn for comparable jobs.

UTOPIA exists only in the minds of people.

That does not mean we don't strive for peace, equality, and justice and even these can vary in the minds of people of different cultures.

"Cultural relativism is respecting other peoples' right to believe in their customs, practices, and endeavors for survival."

I do NOT respect female genital mutilation, honor killing, stoning for adultery, or rape as a judicial punishment, even while admitting the GOALS of these acts might have some validity.

This is just false. Is suburban culture better than ghetto? Is Japan better than Saudi Arabia? Was the antebellum North better than the South?

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Ghettos and the suburbia are not independent cultures. They are part of the same culture. Poverty and affluence are not cultures. They are facets of a culture.

The Saudis think they have the best way of life and the Japanese think that they have the best culture in the world. People in every culture think that "our way of life is the best and other ways off life are bizarre, strange, stupid and unfit for human survival". This is known as ethnocentrism.

Cultural relativism is respecting other peoples' right to believe in their customs, practices, and endeavors for survival.

You should take a course in anthropology.

"NO ONE CULTURE, RELIGION, OR LANGUAGE IS SUPERIOR TO ANY OTHER CULTURE, RELIGION, OR LANGUAGE."

This is just false. Is suburban culture better than ghetto? Is Japan better than Saudi Arabia? Was the antebellum North better than the South?

THERE ARE GOOD AND BAD PEOPLE IN EVERY ETHNIC GROUP, CULTURE, OR RELIGION.

THOSE WHO STEREOTYPE "OTHER PEOPLE" SIMPLY SHOW THEIR OWN IGNORANCE.

IF YOU DON'T WANT TO BE STEREOTYPED, THEN DON'T STEREOTYPE "OTHER" PEOPLE".

NO ONE CULTURE, RELIGION, OR LANGUAGE IS SUPERIOR TO ANY OTHER CULTURE, RELIGION, OR LANGUAGE.

TEACH CHILDREN TO BE CIVIL AND "EQUALITY FOR ALL HUMANS". IF YOU OR I USE A SLUR AGAINST PEOPLE OF ANY OTHER CULTURE, RELIGION, OR NATIONALITY AT HOME, IT SURE WILL BE PASSED ON TO THE SUCCEDDING GENERATIONS. AND WE WILL BE ENGAGED IN A PERPETUAL ENDLESS CONFLICT.

EveryOne needs to watch their Penny's, as if dolars.

"While I'm not Jewish, I would say that all stereotyping is ultimately negative in effect, even when it sounds positive. That's because stereotyping ignores and negates the individual."

No one thinks a broad statement like "Jews watch their pennies" is universally true down to last of 15 million individuals, just that its an ethnic trait.

My ethnic group is often called quiet, industrious, humorless and methodical. Compared to some other ethnic groups, I think that's all true, even though I have relatives of whom it's not.

So Jews object to being POSITIVELY stereotyped?

While I'm not Jewish, I would say that all stereotyping is ultimately negative in effect, even when it sounds positive. That's because stereotyping ignores and negates the individual. Plus, the specific stereotyping under discussion here is more often treated as negative rather than positive, to suggest that Jews are out to cheat or swindle others.

So Jews object to being POSITIVELY stereotyped?

At some point, our society needs to overcome its fear of 'prejudice' and allow that years of subjective observation might have some validity.

Hmmm, "Carstonio"?? Where have we seen that name before? Let us check our list. Yes indeed, there it is.

I like Rabbi Hirschfields commentary here, and he raises good questions. Yes we have cultural and racial stereotypes, and most peoples PC response to that is 'how crude and rude, and wrong'. But cultural and racial stereotypes, like mythology and old wives tales and superstitions, often have some grounding in the truth.

"Are they really guilty of anti-Semitism, as many in both the Jewish community and in the Democratic Party have suggested? And have they not tapped in to a myth in which many Jews take pride, at least privately?"

"But we are also very proud of the enormous financial success of the American Jewish community, and of the fiscal responsibility which has often contributed to it."

This is a sanitized and more careful and respectful version of 'penny pincher' or 'cheap' or 'Scrooge'.

Every racial and cultural group has stereotypes, but are they all wrong, or are they or at least some of them right, though cast in a less benevolent light? I think the second. Think Polish/Pollack jokes, derision against blacks, Japanese, Arabs, Mexicans, Italians, Muslims, Americans, French, Indians, and any other that you want to. Stereotypes abound, are often negative connotations, but are often based in an observable tendency or trait of the people that is cast negatively.

There seems nothing wrong with fiscal responsibility, or even stinginess for that matter, especially when that trait serves to better ones' position in life. But for those that do not have, or paid less attention to the pennies and so have few dollars, it is something to envy or hate.

There is a clear gap between how we posture to show ourselves in the 'best' light publicly even if we may act well differently when with our own tribe.

The stupid is strong in South Carolina politics.

Prejudice is not the same thing as hate. I suspect that Merwin and Ulmer have no ill will toward Jews but still believe in some of the old stereotypes. My suspicion might change if I heard them echoing the more pernicious Protocols-type myths, or if they used anti-Semitic code like "anti-Christian entertainment elite."

Is "penny pinching" being lost to intermarriage with Gentiles? Maybe now we Gentiles with this new blood will finally balance our budgets??

Unfortunately, there are too few "penny pinchers" around these days to make all of us Gentiles properly balanced:

Religion Adherents
Christianity 2.1 billion
Islam 1.5 billion
Secularism/irreligious/agnostic/atheism
1.1 billion
Hinduism 900 million
Chinese traditional religion 394 million
Buddhism 376 million
Primal-indigenous 300 million
African traditional/diasporic 100 million
Sikhism 23 million
Juche 19 million
Spiritism 15 million
Judaism 14 million

Or maybe we should simply follow their good example!!!!

This reminds me of the scene in Annie Hall in which Alvy is talking to his friend about hearing someone and taking offense. Did you becomes D'Jew in his paranoia.