Pope Benedict XVI, Julian Assange, and John Galliano's Jewish news
When Pope Benedict, WikiLeaks' Julian Assange and designer John Galliano are all on the front page at the same time, and all for remarks about Jews, people should take notice. Why? Because the three stories all speak to a variety of fears and insecurities among Jews which are paralleled by a variety of unresolved resentments which are still apparently held by many influential non-Jews.
Pope Benedict XVI leaves after delivering his weekly Angelus blessing to the crowd gathered below in St. Peter's Square at the Vatican February 27, 2011. REUTERS/Giampiero Sposito
The Pope made the news because his newest book, the second volume of his "Jesus of Nazareth" exonerates the collective Jewish people for killing Jesus. While I appreciate both the rigor of both the theological and scriptural analysis upon which the pope bases himself, I find it odd that repeating what has been official Church doctrine since the 1965 document, Nostra Aetate, would make such headlines.
To be sure, as the spiritual leader of one billion Catholics, what the pope does could always be news. But in actuality, not all papal teaching makes the headlines and certainly one wonders why this item should. While I appreciate that the desire to "seal for a new generation of Catholics," the churches views on the matter, it seems that something more is going on.
Could it be that the pope chose to reiterate the Church's rejection of Jewish guilt for the crucifixion, the media's attention to this story, and the number of Jewish groups that are celebrating this news, all reflect that the matter is still not resolved in the minds of those affected? Could it be that the pope knows that there is far more Catholic-inspired anti-Semitism than the Church would like to admit? Could it be that Jews are far less secure in our relations with the Church and its members than we often say we are?
Were these still not such sensitive issues, I cannot imagine that any of this would be a big deal. The seeming fragility of Jewish-Catholic relations, relations in which the utterance of a single priest or the work of a particular Catholic actor-director such as Mel Gibson, appear to threaten the very relationship itself, all attest to the remaining fears, suspicions and resentments which exist in people's hearts and minds, if not in the official positions of either the Jewish or the Catholic communities.
Likewise neither the obnoxious and hateful views expressed by John Galliano, nor the bizarre anti-Semitic ranting of Julian Assange actually threaten the Jewish people. So why are they news? Again the fame of the speakers accounts for some, but not all of the intense coverage they are getting.

In this Jan. 21, 2011 file photo, British fashion designer John Galliano appears at the end of his men's fall-winter 2011/2012 fashion collection presented in Paris. (AP Photo/Jacques Brinon, File) (Jacques Brinon - AP)
Like the news generated by the pope's latest book, both the Galliano story and the Assange episode reflect the public's great sensitivity to anti-Semitism. They also show how apparently acceptable such views are among some members of the European cultural and intellectual elite. These examples show how far our world has yet to go to really address deep-seated anti-Semitism today.

WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange leaves Belmarsh Magistrates Court in London in February. (Andrew Winning)
In that sense, all of these are good stories. Each in their own way has the potential to push people who care about these issues to reflect on the fears and resentments that we may still carry inside. We can then decide to what extent we want such fears and resentments to define how we see the world and how we see each other. Admitting that we still carry them, will not destroy us, but failing to address them could. So, in that sense, I guess I am grateful not only to Pope Benedict, but to John Galliano and Julian Assange as well.
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Posted by: Farnaz2Mansouri21 | March 8, 2011 4:58 PM
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jameshallman
You wrote, "The reason we see so much Anti-Semitism in the world is because of the historial facts surrounding Jewish collective behavior."
The simple reason that there is "so much Anti-Semitism" in the world is that:
The Jews are the Chosen People, chosen and formed by God.
It was thru the Jews that God became One of us, Jesus, God-Incarnate.
satan is real.
satan is a loser, a poor loser.
See you all in the Kingdom.
Take care, be ready.
Sincerely, Thomas Paul Moses Baum.
Posted by: ThomasBaum | March 8, 2011 3:08 PM
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You might want to Google, Bing and/or Yahoo, "Famous Jews" before making added comments.
Posted by: YEAL9 | March 8, 2011 8:53 AM
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I think it's stupid to think that anyone would be against Jews based on the Christian faith.
The reason we see so much Anti-Semitism in the world is because of the historial facts surrounding Jewish collective behavior.
Jews have notoriously been the worlds Loan sharks, Scam artist and Traitors which explains why they've been kicked out of just about every nation they've ever resided in.
Posted by: jameshallman | March 8, 2011 5:18 AM
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"Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin. And from thenceforth Pilate sought to release him: but the Jews cried out, saying, If thou let this man go, thou art not Caesar's friend: whosoever maketh himself a king speaketh against Caesar. When Pilate therefore heard that saying, he brought Jesus forth, and sat down in the judgment seat in a place that is called the Pavement, but in the Hebrew, Gabbatha. And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King! But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar." John 19:11-15
Posted by: amos3_3 | March 3, 2011
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End, really, of discussion. Psycho "testament," LOL, Man-God (Osiris, whatever), worshipping dead Jew on stick, cannibalism in ceremony.
Aftermath: Genocide for two thousand years, cannibalizing the world, etc.
Rapes their young.
Sick "religion," and very, very sick people.
Sick, and vile.
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Stay away from us Jews and our children.
Posted by: Farnaz2Mansouri21 | March 7, 2011 8:51 PM
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R. Hirschfield,
As you probably know by now, Charlie Sheen was fired from 21/2 men, due to his numerous public outbursts in the aftermath of the cancelling of the show's last four episodes.
He managed to offend Pagans, as well as Jews, declaring himself "A warlock Vatican assassin," and the Pagans were not quiet about their offense.
I find it interesting that, unlike you, an Irish Catholic talk show host I listen to while working late at night and with whom I rarely agree, found Sheen's remarks about Lorre antisemitic and uncacceptable.
Admittedly, they were, like Juan Williams', made on only one occasion, unlike Galliano's, which were made on three. They were also less ignorant than Galliano's since Hitler would have put his gay behind in a concentration camp.
On the other hand, the full tape of Juan Williams' remarks shows that he was speaking out AGAINST Islamophobia, but that bothered no one.
Try to understand where I'm coming from, Rabbi. I do agree with you strongly that antisemitism cannot, will not, must not define us. In fact, it defines only the antisemites, since racism always says everything about the racists, nothing about the targets.
Shalom, R. Hircshfield.
Farnaz
Posted by: Farnaz2Mansouri21 | March 7, 2011 8:48 PM
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AT the request of AReyousaying/coloradoDog, I will post the blogger's antisemitic comments, one per day, for as long as OnFaith survives.
Posted by: Farnaz2Mansouri21
So, since you said there are "hundreds" maybe "thousands" where's your thought for today? ...or are you LYING like when you claim I am Lutheran?
Posted by: areyousaying | March 7, 2011 12:54 PM
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See also Professor Gerd Ludemann's review of the Pilate trial of Jesus in his book, Jesus After 2000 Years, p. 104, Mark 15: 1-20a. As with most of the pre-crucifixion story, Ludemann gives it a "unhistorical" rating.
Posted by: YEAL9 | March 6, 2011 4:40 PM
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Posted by: ITs-TIME | March 6, 2011 1:56 PM
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Posted by: ITs-TIME | March 6, 2011 1:55 PM
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"Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin. And from thenceforth Pilate sought to release him: but the Jews cried out, saying, If thou let this man go, thou art not Caesar's friend: whosoever maketh himself a king speaketh against Caesar. When Pilate therefore heard that saying, he brought Jesus forth, and sat down in the judgment seat in a place that is called the Pavement, but in the Hebrew, Gabbatha. And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King! But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar." John 19:11-15
Posted by: amos3_3 | March 3, 2011
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End, really, of discussion. Psycho "testament," LOL, Man-God (Osiris, whatever), worshipping dead Jew on stick, cannibalism in ceremony.
Aftermath: Genocide for two thousand years, cannibalizing the world, etc.
Rapes their young.
Sick "religion," and very, very sick people.
Sick, and vile.
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Stay away from us Jews and our children.
Posted by: Farnaz2Mansouri21 | March 6, 2011 1:38 PM
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Saving over three billion lost souls:
1.5 billion lost Muslim souls:
There never was and never will be any angels i.e. no Gabriel, no Islam
Two billion lost Christian souls:
There was and never will be any bodily resurrections i.e. No Easter, no Christianity
15.5 million lost souls of the Orthodox followers of Judaism:
As per Rabbi Wolpe, Abraham and Moses never existed.
Posted by: YEAL9 | March 6, 2011 8:33 AM
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The lying Farnaz OF ALL PEOPLE telling Thomas Paul Moses Baum to "...be honest".
Posted by: areyousaying | March 6, 2011 7:52 AM
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Farnaz2Mansouri21
Have you ever noticed the "similarities" between your writings on various posts and those of "anti-Semitism"?
They, they, they, kind of sums it up, doesn't it?
Take care, be ready.
Sincerely, Thomas Paul Moses Baum.
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Thomas Paul Moses Baum,
No. I could not make up a passage such as that from John, pasted below, if I tried. Neither could the Catholic/Christian nazis, I suppose, since they resorted to quoting it, along with other selected passages from the "New Testament." Add to them other writings of the church fathers and Luther and they have their spiritual guides.
Below is a decent web site on New Testament antisemitism (that is all it covers)--not the entirety of the last two thousand years of anti-Jewish racism.
To the list of books a scant beginner's bibliography, however, I would certainly add Catholic theologian Rosemary Ruether's FATIH AND FRATRICIDE.
Take care, and be honest.
http://www.messiahtruth.com/anti.html
Sincerely,
Farnaz Mansuori
PS. Also, recommend "Blaming the Victim." Use google.
Posted by: Farnaz2Mansouri21 | March 5, 2011 8:22 PM
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Farnaz2Mansouri21
Have you ever noticed the "similarities" between your writings on various posts and those of "anti-Semitism"?
They, they, they, kind of sums it up, doesn't it?
Take care, be ready.
Sincerely, Thomas Paul Moses Baum.
Posted by: ThomasBaum | March 5, 2011 11:44 AM
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"Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin. And from thenceforth Pilate sought to release him: but the Jews cried out, saying, If thou let this man go, thou art not Caesar's friend: whosoever maketh himself a king speaketh against Caesar. When Pilate therefore heard that saying, he brought Jesus forth, and sat down in the judgment seat in a place that is called the Pavement, but in the Hebrew, Gabbatha. And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King! But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar." John 19:11-15
Posted by: amos3_3 | March 3, 2011
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End, really, of discussion. Psycho "testament," LOL, Man-God (Osiris, whatever), worshipping dead Jew on stick, cannibalism in ceremony.
Aftermath: Genocide for two thousand years, cannibalizing the world, etc.
Rapes their young.
Sick "religion," and very, very sick people.
Sick, and vile.
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Stay away from us Jews and our children.
Posted by: Farnaz2Mansouri21 | March 4, 2011 7:08 PM
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AT the request of AReyousaying/coloradoDog, I will post the blogger's antisemitic comments, one per day, for as long as OnFaith survives.
Posted by: Farnaz2Mansouri21
So, since you said there are "hundreds" maybe "thousands" where's your thought for today?
Man sour i - what a perfect name for a misandrist.
Posted by: areyousaying | March 4, 2011 6:32 PM
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To all my dear Christians friends, I am frankly saying - time arrives, after two thousand years, the following is all about:
Christianity began as a Jewish sect in the mid-1st century. Originating in the eastern Mediterranean coast of the Middle East (modern Israel and Palestine), it quickly spread to Syria, Mesopotamia, Asia Minor and Egypt, it grew in size and influence over a few decades, and by the 4th century had become the dominant religion within the Roman Empire. Over the centuries, the issue of responsibility for Jesus' death has served as a basis for the blanket persecution of Jews -- a notion the pope repudiates.
"After all, John himself was ethnically a Jew, as were Jesus and all his followers," the pope writes. "The entire early Christian community was made up of Jews. In John's Gospel this word has a precise and clearly defined meaning: he is referring to the Temple aristocracy”
Eventually, Jesus' criticism was the reason for being rejected by the Temple leaders (aristocracy). But nothing new under the sun – money was and yet being the main reason for superpower leaders and corruption in the holy places - synagogues, churches and mosques.
The Gospel of John described Jesus as angrily criticizing the occupants of the temple for turning it into a market.
According to the Synoptic Gospels, Jesus targeted specifically the money changers and the dove sellers. , explaining his actions by quoting from the Book of Isaiah and the Book of Jeremiah:
"My house will be called a house of prayer for all nations".—Isaiah 56:7
And
"But you have made it a den of thieves"—Jeremiah 7:11
In Mark 12:40 and Luke 20:47 Jesus again accuses the Temple authorities of thieving and this time names poor widows as their victims going on to provide evidence of this in Mark 12:42 and Luke 21:2.
Today, unfortunately, most money for Islamic terror comes through mosques.
As I said money makes the world go on – nothing new under the sun.
Posted by: reuvenir1 | March 4, 2011 2:20 PM
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As a devout Pastafarian, I can't help but be saddened by the derangement caused by the embrace of these ancient fantasies and delusions.
The Flying Spaghetti Monster offers everyone a place at His Holy Table. The shape of the noodle doesn't matter. The sauce you choose doesn't matter. Sit! Eat! Embrace His Noodly Appendage!
rAMEN!
Posted by: thebobbob | March 3, 2011 10:37 PM
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Sick, I mean really, sick and perverse. With "guidance" like that, however, what can one expect, but moral depravity. Forever.
Posted by: Farnaz2Mansouri21 | March 3, 2011 9:45 PM
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The Pope contradicts the Holy Bible to his own peril:
"Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin. And from thenceforth Pilate sought to release him: but the Jews cried out, saying, If thou let this man go, thou art not Caesar's friend: whosoever maketh himself a king speaketh against Caesar. When Pilate therefore heard that saying, he brought Jesus forth, and sat down in the judgment seat in a place that is called the Pavement, but in the Hebrew, Gabbatha. And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King! But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar." John 19:11-15
Posted by: amos3_3 | March 3, 2011
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End, really, of discussion. Psycho "testament," LOL, Man-God (Osiris, whatever), worshipping dead Jew on stick, cannibalism in ceremony.
Aftermath: Genocide for two thousand years, cannibalizing the world, etc.
Rapes their young.
Sick "religion," and very, very sick people.
____________________________
Stay away from us Jews and our children.
Posted by: Farnaz2Mansouri21 | March 3, 2011 9:44 PM
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The Pope contradicts the Holy Bible to his own peril:
"Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin. And from thenceforth Pilate sought to release him: but the Jews cried out, saying, If thou let this man go, thou art not Caesar's friend: whosoever maketh himself a king speaketh against Caesar. When Pilate therefore heard that saying, he brought Jesus forth, and sat down in the judgment seat in a place that is called the Pavement, but in the Hebrew, Gabbatha. And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King! But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar." John 19:11-15
Posted by: amos3_3 | March 3, 2011 9:06 PM
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What a lot of crapola. For 2,000 years, the popes, saints and the rest of the gang, who have a dedicated line to god, have been saying the Jews killed Jesus. Evidently god never told them otherwise.
Now, bless his little heart, the present pope says Jews are exonerated. Who or what made him state otherwise? What has changed? What is now going to happen to the teachings of Paul and all those popes? Will they remain part of the NT? Will those saints who slaughtered Jews as Christ-killers be desanctified?
Will the hypocrisy never end?
Posted by: linguine33 | March 3, 2011 7:36 PM
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R. HIRSCHFIELD,
My email is verging on crashing. I sent out a link to your blog--it went to twenty-three thousand people.
A lot of disbelief at this thread....
And there has been much worse. I should have done something like this a long time ago, I think.
Posted by: Farnaz2Mansouri21 | March 3, 2011 7:28 PM
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AT the request of AReyousaying/coloradoDog, I will post the blogger's antisemitic comments, one per day, for as long as OnFaith survives. The one that follows was a response by the rabbi, who like some others here, did not thing that changes in nomenclature necessarily accompany changes in thought.
The Lutheran reply:
"Our "Compassionate Conservative" rabbi once again defends his ignorant redneck / AIPAC constituency. If he believes that calling someone a "retard" is just free speech, imagine all the things people could call him to stereotype his religion (sorry, no examples).
Would he defend those as "free speech", too?"
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Posted by: Farnaz2Mansouri21 | March 3, 2011 7:25 PM
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Areyousaying:
Have you been tested for peri-menopause?
You sure have all the symptoms
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So you're menopausal! That would explain it but amoeba do not undergo menopause.
Posted by: Farnaz2Mansouri21 | March 3, 2011 7:05 PM
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Catholic antisemitism is far from over. It is a reality every day in every country in which there is a sizable Catholic population, whether or not there are any Jews. And then their was the CAtholics'/Christians' Holocaust.
The horrors the RCC utashe Clergy perpetrated, their looting, the refusal of Vatican Bank to settle is unconscionable.
Like most Jews, the Catholics' Nostra Ate is of no consequence to me. That the Catholics' killed their "God" and now worship him is an affair of theirs.
Leave us alone.
Posted by: Farnaz2Mansouri21 | March 3, 2011 7:02 PM
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Mr. Hirschfield's important questions deserve more than the starchy orthodoxy of his solutions. He asks why the Pope's rejection of collective Jewish responsibility for Jesus' murder receives more media attention than most Catholic-related stories, without considering stories that generate comparable interest. A quick query of Catholic-related articles in the NY Times suggests relatively little interest in doctrinal pronouncements, disaster relief efforts, global health care services in destitute areas, and Catholic schools or hospitals serving our inner-cities (except when they close). Topics often soaked in newsprint ink? Sexual abuse, condoms, strained Vatican relations with Israel and Muslim nations, and, yes, anti-Semitism. In short, Church successes and community achievement are largely overlooked in a richly detailed media portrait of a flawed, ailing institution.
In light of this skew, the question about whether it reflects mainstream media bias against the Catholic church or a simpler (and likelier) bias favoring the pc hot-button issue du jour becomes less important than the recognition of its consequence, i.e., increased ambivalence/animosity toward the Catholic church in a country where anti-Catholicism was deeply rooted not many decades ago (and in some places remains so today).
This exacerbation of longstanding cultural tension requires that any meaningful analysis plumb the bias on all sides of issues. Unfortunately Mr. Hirschfield fails this requirement.
"Could it be," he says, "that the pope knows that there is far more Catholic-inspired anti-Semitism than the Church would like to admit? Could it be that Jews are far less secure in our relations with the Church and its members than we often say we are?" Catholics would seem to carry the burden of prejudice and hate, while Jews, the burden of insufficient self-confidence. Highly artful, but very asymmetric.
Whatever the historic cause of ethnic or religious tension (and it often varies according to cultural narrative), opposing sides tend to succumb quickly to bias and prejudice. Insecurity often breeds contempt and Jews feeling "less secure" with Catholics, might well be as fiercely anti-Catholic, as their Catholic counterparts are anti-Semitic. When a discussion for whatever reason does not admit and embrace these obvious possibilities, the debate itself becomes an exercise in the reinforcement of institutionalized bias and discrimination. Bias needs to be recognized whether in the predominantly Catholic, Protestant, Muslim or Jewish community and workplace. A more profitable conversation might ensue if American Catholics today were much more mindful of the pain caused the Jewish people by the historic actions of their Church, and American Jews more sensitive to the fact that American Catholics, who were themselves innocent of the terrible crimes of the Holocaust,have contributed billions of hard-earned dollars to ensure the future and prosperity of the Jewish homeland.
Posted by: bonniema | March 3, 2011 3:52 PM
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Farnaz: "Hundreds more racist AReyousaying posts available on request."
Hundreds? Let's see them or are you lying like denying the fact I have said many times I denounced Lutheranism as a teen (partly because of their WWII complicity which I agree with you on).
I never said anything about silencing Jews, you problem with me is that I think Israel has too much power in America. How is that anti-Semitic?
How can I say it any clearer? You think like KKKarl Rove you can repeat your lies long enough and others will believe them like you delusionally do.
Have you been tested for peri-menopause?
You sure have all the symptoms.
If you are a shining example of Judaism, how embarrassed the rest of your people must be.
Posted by: areyousaying | March 3, 2011 2:35 PM
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This is a blatant, unethical and dishonest misrepresentation of Julian Assange. It is Yellow Journalism at its best. A single reporter with a vested interest - look at the magazine he was reporting for - and a record of libel suits makes an unsubstantiated claim that Mr. Assange called the attack on Wikileaks a "Jewish Conspiracy" and it is taken as fact. But it is not a fact. In Mr. Assange's own words:
“In particular [the Private Eye report that he believed in a] ‘Jewish conspiracy’ is false, in spirit and in word. It is serious and upsetting. Rather than correct a smear, Mr. Hislop has tried to justify one smear with another.”
“[Ian Hislop] distorted, invented or misremembered almost every significant claim and phrase.”
“That he has a reputation for this, and is famed to have received more libel suits in the U.K. than any other journalist as a result, does not mean that it is right,” Mr. Assange’s statement said. “WikiLeaks promotes the ideal of ‘scientific journalism’ — where the underlying evidence of all articles is available to the reader precisely in order to avoid these type of distortions. We treasure our strong Jewish support and staff, just as we treasure the support from pan-Arab democracy activists and others who share our hope for a just world.”
In this official statement, Assange - the one falsely accused by Brad Hirschfield of making an "anti-Semitic rant" - decries anti-Semitism and says he treasures support from his Jewish staff and support. A genuine anti-Semite, like Hitler or Henry Ford, would not have hired Jewish staff or support to begin with, let alone have issued a strong public statement denouncing anti-Semitism.
This statement alone renders an unquestioned accusation of "an anti-Semitic rant" based on hearsay unconscionable. It is notable that this unconfirmed, bogus charge of anti-Semitism is being re-reported, directly following the announcement of Mr. Assange's extradition to Sweden: a time when he is most likely to garner sympathy from the Progressive-minded persons who support his transparency efforts but are sensitive to anti-Semitic attitudes. It is not surprising that no actual charge of rape or assault has yet been levied against Mr. Assange in the loaded - and private - proceedings awaiting him. The entire plot is to paint him as an aggressive, ego-maniacal, sexist bigot, in order to cast suspicion in the minds of those who would be most likely to support his valiant efforts with Wikileaks: Progressives.
Mr. Hirschfield has pretty much discredited himself with this hearsay accusation and should be held accountable by more persons than myself!
Posted by: Musicalidea | March 3, 2011 1:52 PM
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I oppose all forms of bigotry, including anti-Semitism. Unfortunately, some people who criticize Israel's harsh and brutal policies towards Palestinians are often called anti-Semitic. This is a misuse of the word.
Incidentally, Palestinians are also a Semitic race. In one sense, you could state that the current Israeli Government has some of the most anti-Semitic policies in history, which includes bulldozing of Palestinian homes, stealing land in the West Bank, discriminating against Israeli Arabs in housing and employment, shooting to death Palestinian children who throw stones, kidnapping people from their homes and imprisoning them without charge, inter alia.
Posted by: rayd11 | March 3, 2011 12:57 PM
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R. HIRSCHFIELD,
I congratulate you on this essay. I want to tell you that a link to it just went out to more than twenty thousand people.
This piece and thread need to be read. Badly.
Thanks again.
Farnaz
Posted by: Farnaz2Mansouri21 | March 3, 2011 12:08 PM
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I'm not really sure what the point of this article IS.
As long as the Jewish people believe they are the only chosen ones of god, as long as the Christians believe that they are the only ones going to heaven, and as long as the Muslims believe they are the only right religion, we will always have anti-isms.
Stop condemning others. If you do that long enough, people might stop condemning your beliefs as well.
Posted by: hebe1 | March 3, 2011 11:52 AM
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Hi cross-lugger you seem to have forgotten your moniker.
Posted by: Farnaz2Mansouri21 | March 3, 2011 12:03 PM
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I'm not really sure what the point of this article IS.
As long as the Jewish people believe they are the only chosen ones of god, as long as the Christians believe that they are the only ones going to heaven, and as long as the Muslims believe they are the only right religion, we will always have anti-isms.
Stop condemning others. If you do that long enough, people might stop condemning your beliefs as well.
Posted by: hebe1 | March 3, 2011 11:52 AM
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I'm afraid you've got that wrong. The Catholics/Christians are "God's people." This their priests and ministers say to the media, on television in sermons, to their congregations in church, and probably to themselves in the bathroom.
The are "Gaawwwddd's peeeeple." Yessirree.
Posted by: Farnaz2Mansouri21 | March 3, 2011 12:00 PM
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What fascinates most is the paucity of Catholics/Christians speaking out against the antisemitism of Galliano, Assange, Sheen, etc.
At the same time, people like RobertJames1, MaryCunningham, AReyousaying, et al, gang up on one person who chooses to fight back.
That's how the antisemites do--they take out of context--gang up. Often on defenseless children like my daughter.
But I am not she, and she is not the seven-year-old these racists left bloody and unconscious in the street.
I'm expecting a few other of the usual suspects.
Morally impoverished, all. But they won't stop us. It's been two thousand years, and here we are.
And here we shall always be.
Posted by: Farnaz2Mansouri21 | March 3, 2011 11:57 AM
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I'm not really sure what the point of this article IS.
As long as the Jewish people believe they are the only chosen ones of god, as long as the Christians believe that they are the only ones going to heaven, and as long as the Muslims believe they are the only right religion, we will always have anti-isms.
Stop condemning others. If you do that long enough, people might stop condemning your beliefs as well.
Posted by: hebe1 | March 3, 2011 11:52 AM
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BTW, for MaryCunningham, Fiedei Defensor, I said that Robert/James1 has cancerous attributes, not that he has cancer. There is a difference. Take a reading class, during your hoped for absence. Ugh.
Posted by: Farnaz2Mansouri21 | March 3, 2011 11:52 AM
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And here is Fidei Defensor, MaryCunningham, who posted on R. Hirschfield's last thread that she would not return, a promise she has made for four years, since no one wants her here.
She was very much expected now, however. She can never speak out about antisemitism, such as that of Galliano, Assange, Sheen, because she is antisemitism.
Alone among Catholics on this blog, btw., this piece of work defended the RCC's world wide child rape. Alone. Among Catholics.
Postings available on request.
Posted by: Farnaz2Mansouri21 | March 3, 2011 11:50 AM
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Why blame anyone, Hirschfeld? Is not Obama doing your AIPAC bidding in Iraq and Afghanistan. Would he deserved the peace prize more if he nuked Iran for you? Or is it unfathomable to you that a "cushan" could receive such recognition? This article was unnecessary and reveals much about your bigotry and that of your people as well.
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The above is a posting by Areyousaying in his ColoradoDog incarnation. This was one of hundreds of such posts on R. Hirschfield's thread. Many were far, far more offensive.
The occasion for this one was R. Hirchfield's questioning the Nobel Committee's decision to award Obama the Nobel PRize. It had nothing to do with religion per or to wars, etc., but hear it is.
At the same time R. Hirschfield's essay appeared, Rev. Michael Kessler opposed the award in much stronger terms, arguing that Obama should have refused it.
And from the multi-monikered skitzy bigot Areyousaying? Not a word.
He is, of course, one of "God's people," a Lutheran (Google "The Jews and Their LIes" by Martin Luther), and we know well how Hitler used Lutheran writings.
These texts were exported to the MIddle East and are largely responsible for what many Jews have suffered there. Compare Areyousaying's post above to Azisk's below.
On the other hand, Areyousaying is an equal opportunity hater. He hates Catholics almost as much as Luther came to. Not for the same reasons as Muslims like Azisk do, but he hates.
We hope, as we hope for Carlos Estevez, that he avails himself of inpatient care before it is too late.
Hundreds more racist AReyousaying posts available on request.
Get help, dude.
Posted by: Farnaz2Mansouri21 | February 28, 2011 11:22 PM
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Farnaz2Mansouri21: soon to be reincarnated again as Farnaz3Mansouri22
Posted by: areyousaying | February 28, 2011 11:09 PM
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Sadly, Areyousaying, has two conflicting moral diseases common to many white Lutherans. On the one hand he follows Luther's tome, "The Jews and Their Lies," and on the other he wishes to be our patron saint.
This man will post endlessly in defense of Jews, until we defend ourselves. He is the great white hero: Tarzan.
Unfortunately for him, his posts speak for themselves. Unlike him, I post his missives in context. He, on the other hand, like the true bigot he is, posts mine completely out of context, so that their defensive nature is unclear.
I should add, however, that his anti-Catholic rants are as miserable almost as his antisemitic.
He has posted hundreds, if not thousands of wretched comments such as this to this rabbi and others.
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On the other hand, he obviously has nothing better to do than obsess about Jews and me, in particular, poor thing.
Ah, well, if it gives you something to do, carry on.
Posted by: Farnaz2Mansouri21 | March 3, 2011 11:46 AM
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How many knew of this case at it's time and how many where at the trial? Did CHRIST want Judas to turn HIM in? Why was the Gosple of Judas pulled like other books of the gosple? If Judas did not turn in CHRIST, where would Christianity be today? Bear in mind when, where, and who wrote the Gosples as well why, where, who and when the bible was made. Also note why the bible was only in Latin until the REFORMATION. What is the popes goal on his new book?
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Interesting, but this is relevant how? Christ, the Jew, is of interest to Christians, not Jews. Judas was a Christian. The Catholics killed Christ.
Discuss all you'd like.
But I don't see the relevance to this thread.
Posted by: Farnaz2Mansouri21 | March 3, 2011 11:33 AM
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When will we be able to stop suffering the sins of the past? Every racial and religious group in the world has suffered throughout history. But always, always certain ones continue to occupy the feel bad for us space.
Immigrants brought to America for cheap labor, Native Americans, Africans, Japanese in Manchuria, Catholics hated in the U.S. by the protestant political machine. Slaughter and genocide throughout ancient and recent times.
Biblical histories of Jews wiping out civilizations? Forgot that?
The Jews do not have an exclusive on pity. Enough is enough. Time to move on.
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Christians/Catholics ACTUALLY wiping out entire civilizations for the last two thousand years through the present? Jes' sayin'.
How's about this? Let's have the Christians/Catholics get a life, shut their idolatrous, foul faces, and we Jews will have nothing to complain about.
SEE? As in SHUT it, and no problem for your christian self.
Posted by: Farnaz2Mansouri21 | March 3, 2011 11:31 AM
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Galliano did not make ant-semitic remarks. He made anti-jewish remarks.
Had he made anti-semitic remarks he would have mention the Arabs who are ALSO SEMITIC. He didn't.
When are you idiots going to understand the difference between semitic and jewish?
Posted by: analyst72 | March 3, 2011 9:34 AM
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Hello, earth to you? There is no difference, duh. The term "anti-Semite" was coined by Wilhelm Marr, back in the day. Use google. Like a good Catholic he used his neologistic term to mean anti-Jewish and with a positive connotation.
Prior to this, the term referred to a group of languages which were known as "semitic," just as "aryan" referred to a different group of languages. Marr, of course, used aryan to refer to the superior (LOL) Germanic peoples. Thus Catholic Wilhelm Marr gave Catholic Nazi Hitler and his co-Catholic Nazis a vocabulary.
Since there never was nor will there ever be an entity "semite" except in the minds of racists, we JEWS now spell it "antisemite."
I realize this may all be too complicated for bigot yu, but do use google for Marr.
And do try to shove it into your head avec pea brain.
Posted by: Farnaz2Mansouri21 | March 3, 2011 11:29 AM
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How many knew of this case at it's time and how many where at the trial? Did CHRIST want Judas to turn HIM in? Why was the Gosple of Judas pulled like other books of the gosple? If Judas did not turn in CHRIST, where would Christianity be today? Bear in mind when, where, and who wrote the Gosples as well why, where, who and when the bible was made. Also note why the bible was only in Latin until the REFORMATION. What is the popes goal on his new book?
Posted by: usapdx | March 3, 2011 10:47 AM
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When will we be able to stop suffering the sins of the past? Every racial and religious group in the world has suffered throughout history. But always, always certain ones continue to occupy the feel bad for us space.
Immigrants brought to America for cheap labor, Native Americans, Africans, Japanese in Manchuria, Catholics hated in the U.S. by the protestant political machine. Slaughter and genocide throughout ancient and recent times.
Biblical histories of Jews wiping out civilizations? Forgot that?
The Jews do not have an exclusive on pity. Enough is enough. Time to move on.
Posted by: wesatch | March 3, 2011 10:16 AM
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Galliano did not make ant-semitic remarks. He made anti-jewish remarks.
Had he made anti-semitic remarks he would have mention the Arabs who are ALSO SEMITIC. He didn't.
When are you idiots going to understand the difference between semitic and jewish?
Posted by: analyst72 | March 3, 2011 9:34 AM
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Rabbi, is the fragility of the Catholic-Jewish relationship entirely the fault of Catholics. Are Jewish people simply victims? Are there any anti -Catholic or anti-Christian feelings in the Jewish Community that need to be addressed?
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How dare you ask such an anti-Semitic question? Jews are always the victim and never at fault, less alone racist.
Farnaz is the shining example.
Posted by: areyousaying | March 3, 2011 8:51 AM
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Robert, I agree with Mary Cunningham. Corresponding with Farnaz will only aggravate your cancer. Watch comedy movies instead. Laughter is much more helpful than racism. Your natural state is wellness. Cancer is not a part of your natural state or you. May it be gone from you soon.
Best wishes.
Posted by: areyousaying | March 3, 2011 7:33 AM
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Farnaz racist? How dare you? Don't you know if you say anything about her or Israel, you're a white male Christian anti-Semitic pig?
And if you are a Lutheran, which I denounced as a teenager but she insists (like some two bit teabagger lying Obama is a Muslim) I still am, you are a Nazi as well.
No racism here, no sirreeee
"Jews are smarter than you. Much, much smarter. Not only morally superior than YOU, but smarter.
Posted by: Farnaz2Mansouri21"
Posted by: areyousaying | March 3, 2011 7:28 AM
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Thank you both for your posts, I wasn't sure who or what I was up against other than it was vile. Not really worth any further comment or discussion. All the best. Mike
Posted by: Phillymike1 | March 3, 2011 6:27 AM
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Hello Robert,
You should not engage with Farnaz2 Mansouri21 (a she btw). You are living with cancer, and please God, you will live for many more years. But even if no, you should not fill your hours corresponding with her. Firstly, she hates Catholics. Secondly, she usually writes falsehoods. Thirdly--OK I know this sounds weird--exposure to her is bad for you spiritually. All her frenzy and tumult is inspired by hatred. Her fury seems demonic.
Whilst her anger is primarily directed towards Catholics she also shows animosity towards Muslims. To wit:
" Azisk,
You are an antisemitic racist psychopath, who belongs in a mental institution.
Bark somewhere else, you moronic pig.
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Like you, I am a Catholic. In the past I might have responded to Rabbi Hershfield’s points but I long gave up on such attempts. I trained as an economist and therein is Gresham’s law of debasement or “bad money drives out good”. You could say bad behaviour drives out good on the blogs, but Farnaz’s frenzied attacks are more than bad behaviour, in my candid opinion.
All the best to you, Robert, and I will remember you in my prayers,
MC
London
PS This is a Jesuit meditative site that I think you might like. It is based in the UK so the speakers have English, Irish, Scots & Welsh accents but you should have no difficulty understanding. For me, the Irish accents are the most beautiful but I would say that, as I was born there. http://www.pray-as-you-go.org/
Posted by: Mary_Cunningham | March 3, 2011 4:31 AM
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I have just read all of the blogs. Farnaz2Mansouri21 has posted more than I can count. One thing is clear and that is he is very bigoted against Catholics.
Farnaz2Mansouri21, it is time that you stopped being so vicious and dishonest. You are so unhinged that you make up your facts. You are living in a world of fiction.
Posted by: robertjames1 | March 3, 2011 3:28 AM
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REBUFFING REPUGNANT REMARKS BY FARNAZ@MANSOURi21
Farnaz2Mansouri21 must be a very angry person. He makes claims about me that are vicious, vitriolic and untrue. In other words, his claims are false.
He denies that I have been to Israel and says that my claim to have done so is a lie. Well, I was there twice in quick succession. How he would know whether or not I have been there is beyond my comprehension.
I deny that I am a racist or an anti-semite. I have made many criticisms of Israel because it is legitimate to do so.
He is aware that I have cancer which is a terminal and horrible disease. I will die young and for that he wants to punish me. Nevertheless, Farnaz2Mansouri21 seems to think that it is legitimate to make ugly and vicious statements about it. My illness, of course, has no connection to this debate. Only a sick mind would want to cause me harm.
I am a Catholic. I am aware that the Roman Church has a brutal and cruel past in relation to Moslems and Jews and that it has caused both groups much harm but that does not mean that every Catholic follows suit.
If one reads the blogs of Farnaz2Mansouri21 one will see that he attacks people in a mean-spirited manner. He calls them "Nazis", "liars" and "Anti-semites". By doing so he drives debate into the gutter. His ugly statements are tantamount to evil lies.
Farnaz2Mansouri21 should examine himself. However, that would require introspection which appears to be absent. Unfortunately, this man is so disturbed that his claims are dishonest, personal and cruel. He needs help. Lots of it.
In the meantime, he might learn to confine his comments to the issues so that the discussion is civilised and respectful. His animosity will beget animosity and everyone whom he attacks will dismiss him as being irrational.
So far he does not appear to have said anything of value.
I am sure that those whom he has attacked would be pleased to read his apology for his rudeness, vitriole and dishonesty.
Posted by: robertjames1 | March 3, 2011 3:13 AM
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Very good thanks again I should have known you were a teacher you are so knowledgable.Good luck and good night.
Posted by: Phillymike1 | March 3, 2011 2:18 AM
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That you picked up on that is promising. Perhaps, you learned something after all. Doubtful, but possible.
Don't bother to tell me. By your words, we shall know you.
Posted by: Farnaz2Mansouri21 | March 3, 2011 2:20 AM
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Very good thanks again I should have known you were a teacher you are so knowledgable.Good luck and good night.
Posted by: Phillymike1 | March 3, 2011 2:18 AM
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Nice try, you have already answered my initial question, thanks.
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Yes, I did, and I do so again. Catholics are responsible for the poor relations between Catholics and Jews. They are getting poorer and poorer as we finally rise up against it.
I have not "tried," since my replies required no effort.
And you have not answered my questions. Why not deal with the antisemitism directly? Is it doing Catholic people any good?
Does it do you any good to hold passion plays in which congregants dress up "like Jews" and yell "kill him, kill him"? Where I teach, this is one of many reasons students give for having left the church. That, at least, is encouraging.
Does it do you any good to hold pageants with grotesque figures designated "the Jew" as is done in many RCCs in Europe, the Carribbean, and South America?
How did rendering my then seven-year-old unconscious and bloody benefit you?
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I suspect that notwithstanding what I write above, you have already answered every one of my questions.
Good luck with that racist psychosis thing.
Posted by: Farnaz2Mansouri21 | March 3, 2011 1:47 AM
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Nice try, you have already answered my initial question, thanks.
Posted by: Phillymike1 | March 3, 2011 1:39 AM
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Okay you are right, good luck with your anger management class.
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I'm not angry, Phillymike1, merely bored and tired. What is it with Catholic people? Why not deal with the reality? Why not speak out against antisemitism?
It surely isn't doing Catholic people any good.
Posted by: Farnaz2Mansouri21 | March 3, 2011 1:27 AM
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Okay you are right, good luck with your anger management class.
Posted by: Phillymike1 | March 3, 2011 1:23 AM
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Oh, and PhillyMike1? Charlie Sheen is Jewish, as is John Galliano, and Assange.
Posted by: Farnaz2Mansouri21 | March 3, 2011 12:58 AM
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My question was for the Rabbi, I already know you are a bigot.
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You make my point. You are the victim, Catholic Phillymike1, and I am the bigot. The Catholic school girl thugs who knocked out my then seven-year old's front teeth, ganged up on her, and left her unconscious, were also victims.
It is we and not you who orchestrated the Holocaust, Hitler was a Jew who slaughtered Catholics. Ditto, the Lithuanian, Ukranian, French, Polish Catholics, etc.
Same is true of the INquisition, run by Jews and perpetrated against Catholics.
We accuse the Catholics of having killed God.
We throw pennies at them in school.
Al Capone was Jewish.
Go to hell, PillyMike1. I already know you are a Catholic.
Posted by: Farnaz2Mansouri21 | March 3, 2011 12:56 AM
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My question was for the Rabbi, I already know you are a bigot.
Posted by: Phillymike1 | March 3, 2011 12:40 AM
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There is something about RobertJames1 that is truly cancerous.
Posted by: Farnaz2Mansouri21 | March 3, 2011 12:37 AM
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Rabbi.
A word about this blogger:
Posted by: robertjames1 | March 3, 2011 12:21 AM
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First, he was never in Israel as he claims. He has lied about that in the past, on WaPo threads, but others showed his sham for the sham that it is.
Moreover, he will always switch the issue, like so many of his Catholic co-religionists, so that he can get his Catholic racist self off the racist hook. (It doesn't work though on account of the ready visibility of his morally impoverished Catholic self.)
Second, although he is a card-carrying Roman Catholic, he has posted his disbelief of the Bible when it comes to Jews.
His antisemitism has been noted throughout WaPo, by yours truly, among many others. He is a self-admitted antisemite, however, which, I suppose, distinguishes him from his many whining co-religionists, who protest when their racism results in its being pointed out to them.
Like his many Catholic racist co-religionists, we can only hope that his
sins eat at his body, that he dies unshriven, and rots in hell.
Racists are racists, and on earth they do not belong.
Posted by: Farnaz2Mansouri21 | March 3, 2011 12:33 AM
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I was in Israel 15 years ago. I was struck by the animosity and contempt that many Jewish people directed towards those Arabs living in Israel and those living in the Middle East.
I saw the terrible living conditions that some Israeli-Arabs suffered and how government money was directed towards Jewish citizens.
I was outraged when I saw soldiers shoving and pushing Arabs. It was thuggery.
When I consider how Israel treats every Palestinian as being responsible for the rockets that are sent from the Gaza to Israel I think that this Israeli approach is cruel. I see this as a calculated strategy to demoralise Palestinians and to force them to migrate to other countries.
The illegal taking of Palestinian land often starts with thugs from Israel bashing Palestinian landholders and using this terror tactic to force them off their land. They are protected by soldiers. That is repugnant to me.
I regard the claims that Jews are victims because they were forced from the Palestine 2000 years ago as silly. Apparently, the idea that some Jews decided to seek their fortunes elsewhere has no validity. Today, many Jews choose to live in the US, Canada, Australia and other places just as other ethnic and religious groups do.
I am aware that Jews have been treated badly in the many communities in which they have lived over the last 2000 years and for that I am sorry but today their nation is abusive, mean-spirited and cruel.
Poor behaviour by the people of any country will lead to their condemnation and I want Israel to change or fall.
Posted by: robertjames1 | March 3, 2011 12:21 AM
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Rabbi, is the fragility of the Catholic-Jewish relationship entirely the fault of Catholics. Are Jewish people simply victims? Are there any anti -Catholic or anti-Christian feelings in the Jewish Community that need to be addressed?
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Sorry, but, yes, Jews are entirely victims and have been the victims of Catholic people for two thousand years.
It is this sort of disingenuous failure to take responsibility that so enrages so many of us. It is the equivalent of whites demanding a "fair playing field" with blacks during the Shirley Sherod fiasco. AS IF!
What has changed is that a new "generation" of thought has arisen within our very diverse community. One sees it in rabbis such as David Wolpe and in more direct and outspoken lay Jews such as Natalie Portman and the journalist Melissa Rogers.
In a sense it is not that new. Art Buchwald, although before my time in America, was a genius at cross-religious dialogue, so to speak.
I'm thinking of framing his column on the "Nostra Ate."
Judaism proper maintains that HaShem has a covenant with all peoples, including Catholic people, obviously.
However, it seems to this Jew that Catholic people do not honor that covenant in so far as anti-Jewish racism is concerned.
In the past two thousand years, we have tried everything.
It is a new day. Hope you're reading, Art Buchwald.
Posted by: Farnaz2Mansouri21 | March 3, 2011 12:00 AM
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Rabbi, is the fragility of the Catholic-Jewish relationship entirely the fault of Catholics. Are Jewish people simply victims? Are there any anti -Catholic or anti-Christian feelings in the Jewish Community that need to be addressed?
Posted by: Phillymike1 | March 2, 2011 11:51 PM
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European anti-semitism is really frightening stuff.
Posted by: blasmaic | March 2, 2011 11:28 PM
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Obviously no one should do these things, particularly by those who claim to love fellow humans. Hypocrisy is terrible. But I have a challenge, could anyone identifying themselves as "Catholic" be charged and found guilty of this entire list? No. Tragically, some might, but not anyone in general. The point is to end those wrongdoings, not to eradicate the "Catholic" identity, or any other religious identity.
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I used the term Christian, so you can include all branches of Christianity if you'd like.
I'd suggest you revisit your post, think long and hard, hard and long, and then get back to me.
Perhaps, then, my post will become more comprehensible to you. Actually, I think it might.
Farnaz
Posted by: Farnaz2Mansouri21 | March 2, 2011 10:55 PM
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Obviously no one should do these things, particularly by those who claim to love fellow humans. Hypocrisy is terrible. But I have a challenge, could anyone identifying themselves as "Catholic" be charged and found guilty of this entire list? No. Tragically, some might, but not anyone in general. The point is to end those wrongdoings, not to eradicate the "Catholic" identity, or any other religious identity.
Posted by: Michael_131 | March 2, 2011 10:44 PM
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Critics should clearly indicated what they object to, and not assume whatever it is is "Jewish."
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Good point. Let me explain about what I object to when I use the word "Catholic."
!. They killed Jesus Christ
2. They have slaughtered hundreds of millions and continue to do so in the MIddle East and Africa.
3. They launder money, thieve, run prostitution rings, sponsor childhood prostitution, run drugs, commit murder for hire, have international mafias.
4. They have plundered the world for its resources and money.
5. They control the US government and Court and Congress.
5. They destroy legally elected goverments in other countries to support dictators.
6. They rape their own children all over the world and use their pope to cover their crimes. Christian law enforcement cooperates with them.
7. They worship statues, have cannibalism in their services.
8. They are fascists, nazis, imperialists, Colonialists.
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These are the things I object to when I use the word "Christian." Is that specific enough to communicate what I find objectionable about the "Catholics."
Let me know....
Posted by: Farnaz2Mansouri21 | March 2, 2011 10:19 PM
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Natalie Portman is twenty-nine, Rabbi. TWENTY-NINE.
She is a Harvard graduate, who partially interrupted her career to complete Harvard in four years: "I'd rather be smart than an actress." (She's Jewish--What would one expect.)
She stuck it to the Christians at Harvard re Israel, loud and clear, has publicly stated that all things considered she'd rather be in Jerusalem.
Frankly, I had no idea who she was until my ten-year-old daughter, Az, took an interest in her. Az is amazingly indifferent to celebrity. She's a bookish, athletic geenyoss, who has had to deal with antisemitic violence. She came across an article Portman wrote a few years ago, and showed it to me. Az rarely discusses her intellectual life with us, so I was anxious to read it. I was very impressed. Literate, staunchly proud of her identity, etc.
So, I googled Portman. I confess I was shocked, since I'd imagined her far older and she was one of the most beautiful women I had ever seen. And, rabbi, I come from a family of raving beauties. Too that, Az was indifferent.
I had to drag her to see Black Swan. She just wants to hear Portman speak and write about Jewish identity.
And she will, rabbi, more and more.
Posted by: Farnaz2Mansouri21 | March 2, 2011 10:10 PM
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Inquisitive Christians should believe Christ's life could have only been taken by God, in place of true sinners. I know this is very preachy, but vague and topical articles like this tend to serve no good purpose.
I think the *real* reason this conversation continues is a poor definition of "Jew." Someone might mean AIPAC, or a Jewish neighborhood, or the Israeli army, or Zionists, or victims in the Holocaust, or Jews in the media, or someone they met on the street. Critics should clearly indicated what they object to, and not assume whatever it is is "Jewish." Likewise, whichever subgroup is being criticized can cry "anti-Semitic" to silence and attack the ethos of the critic, covering any genuine grievances.
Posted by: Michael_131 | March 2, 2011 10:02 PM
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Natalie Portman comments on Galliano:
Rabbi, per your last column, "Hollywood" is changing Jew-wise. We're all changing, Rabbi.
You're quite right that antisemitism does not define us. What we who are of the Natalie Portman school (or the David Wolpe school) are doing is showing the antisemitic amoebas that antisemitism defines THEM.
There's a difference. R. Wolpe is a national leader not only because he tells it like he sees it, but because of his impressive scholarship, of course.
I don't always agree with him, but I respect him. Jews know who he is. We all do. Orthodox, Conservative, Reformed, REconstructionist--Askenazic, Sephardic, Mizrahi, etc.
We know who he is because he does.
Posted by: Farnaz2Mansouri21 | March 2, 2011 10:01 PM
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Further proof Abraham never taught his children to play well and Jews and Catholics who enjoy their common Muslim enemies are no different.
Posted by: areyousaying | March 2, 2011 10:00 PM
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Whilst I can never condone anti-Semitism, it does seem a bit extreme to me that John Galliano has to stand trial over comments he made in private, and could go to jail or face large fines. I have covered this in more detail in my blog at http://itsallabitponyandtrap.blogspot.com/2011/03/john-galliano-on-trial.html - the point is that whilst what he did was wrong, was it really criminal?
Posted by: Jonesey83 | March 2, 2011 9:48 PM
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WMarkW,
"Elliot Slatkin," Catholic Nazi Stormtrooper, has gotten back onto WaPo threads after a long hiatus, stemming from his being banned. The ban, unlike that of CCNL1/Yeal1, etc., was complete. He could not post on WaPo.
Or on any other respectable venue. His posts were more farfetched than those of Pakistani nazis who say the Taliban are Israelis. They were more than the usual psychotic antisemitism.
Last week, some Jews began writing against Muslim and Catholic antisemitism (ironic since there you have two groups that truly hate one another united only in their hatred of Jews). MOst took a tepid approach, some like Hirschfield were apologetic. Others, like Melissa Rogers, R. David Wolpe, were very much in your face.
Rogers, in your face, as in Drop Dead. My style.
So "Elliot Slatkin," aka Mark, aka Catholic Nazi, signed in using another moniker.
I must say it took me a good ten minutes to identify him.
Posted by: Farnaz2Mansouri21 | March 2, 2011 9:13 PM
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WWmarkW,
No, Mark, I wasn't thinking of you. Mark is not an uncommon name.
Farnaz
Posted by: Farnaz2Mansouri21 | March 2, 2011 9:07 PM
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On Nazi Mark, meant to write==
"Elliot Slatkin" is a FAKE name of one "Mark" something or other, a bona fide member of StormFront
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"Eliot Slatkin" is the real name of one "Mark" something or other, a bona fide member of StormFront, who was banned, after years, of posting antisemitic filth on WaPo blogs and abroad, banned from every respectable venue, not merely or even principally, because he is antisemitic, but because he is psychotic.
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Are you thinking of me?
I'm not Eliot Slatkin, have never belonged or posted to Stormfront, and am using the same screen name since 2007.
Agree or disagree with me, I do participate in discussions in the manner intended.
Posted by: WmarkW | March 2, 2011 9:04 PM
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BTW I am going back to blaming today's Catholics for the many millions their church has killed over the years. At least I now blame the current Nazi Pope.
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Going back? The Catholics killed hundreds of millions. The Catholics (Romans) killed Jesus Christ.
What can you expect of a people who worship a corpse on a stick, install cannibalism in their service, and pray to statues?
Posted by: Farnaz2Mansouri21 | March 2, 2011 8:54 PM
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RABBI HIRSCHFIELD,
Want to know what a Catholic is?
"Eliot Slatkin" is the real name of one "Mark" something or other, a bona fide member of StormFront, who was banned, after years, of posting antisemitic filth on WaPo blogs and abroad, banned from every respectable venue, not merely or even principally, because he is antisemitic, but because he is psychotic.
Psychosis and antisemitism are, I grant you, indistinguishable in many cases.
Stormfront, Rabbi, has taken to accepting the Catholics, as Protestant morality is in some quarters taking a turn for the slightly better.
I must remind you that most Jews lump Catholics and Protestants together, a practice the Protestants (who loathe Catholics--It's in the Protestants' blood) abhor.
To me, the Protestants complain that it it the Catholics and not they who are the Moron antisemites. NOT True, for example, in the case of the wily Brits, but it may be that the Protestants are on to something.
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Come, come whoever you are This Caravan knows no despair Even though you have broken your vows ...
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Come, come whoever you are This Caravan knows no despair Even though you have broken your vows ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uaOzB3iMwI
Come, come whoever you are This Caravan knows no despair Even though you have broken your vows ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uaOzB3iMwI
Posted by: ElliotSlatkin | March 2, 2011 8:42 PM
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AND RABBI, WaPo, the Times, etc, will tolerate no end of antisemitism. That they barred "Elliot Slatkin" tells you something.
Maybe, he could join his co-jobless Catholics at the Welfare, or foodstamps line. Or maybe he could ask Vatican Bank for a loan.
Interesting. The Catholics are the only religion that has a bank. (And truth be told they have more than one.)
Posted by: Farnaz2Mansouri21 | March 2, 2011 8:51 PM
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I don't quite know how to inform the now jobless Galliano, but his bff HItler did not have a fondness for gays, neither for persons with "Negroid features," the latter being the result of his viewing Blacks as one rung up the evolutionary ladder from apes, I think.
I qualify because some nazi anthropologists placed blacks on the same level. To express his displeasure the man whom Galliano says he "loved" placed gays out of sight in concentration camps.
I'm wondering if Pope Benedict will now canonize Charlie Sheen (Emilio Estevez--confirmation name may or may not be Ambirose), John Galliano, and Assange.
I know they're not dead but their souls are as dead as those of Pius XII, surely.
Posted by: Farnaz2Mansouri21 | March 2, 2011 8:43 PM
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Come, come whoever you are This Caravan knows no despair Even though you have broken your vows ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uaOzB3iMwI
Come, come whoever you are This Caravan knows no despair Even though you have broken your vows ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uaOzB3iMwI
Come, come whoever you are This Caravan knows no despair Even though you have broken your vows ...
Posted by: ElliotSlatkin | March 2, 2011 8:42 PM
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Even in the Bible its only a subset of the Jewish leadership which has anything to do with the killing of Jesus. In reality, the Romans were killing alleged prophets by the hundreds before and after Jesus. The sole real Jewish leader refused to execute Jesus, and the Priests convinced a indifferent Roman leader to order the execution as only he could.
Note Jesus was joyfully greeted by the majority of Jerusalem days before he was executed, there is zero indication that the general mood had changed. The place where the Jews were allegedly given a chance to save Jesus, only holds 50 people or so, and packed with stooges of the Priests. Since no Jew took part in the execution itself, its clearly the Roman and the Priests that killed Jesus. Since the Jewish people have gotten rid of their Priests, I think any lingering blame is gone, as if blame for the actions of a handful of men could ever fall on millions 2000 years later even if the modern people were not a distinct group.
Any "scholarship" that blames "The Jews" for Jesus' death is an nearly insane piece of hate speech.
BTW I am going back to blaming today's Catholics for the many millions their church has killed over the years. At least I now blame the current Nazi Pope.
Posted by: Muddy_Buddy_2000 | March 2, 2011 8:39 PM
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The Holy Roman Pedophile, Money-Laundering, Tax Exempt, and Sovereign Nation exonerates
ME?
Wow, I'm touched.
Posted by: Farnaz2Mansouri21 | March 2, 2011 8:36 PM
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"The Pope made the news because his newest book, the second volume of his "Jesus of Nazareth" exonerates the collective Jewish people for killing Jesus"
NIce. NOw the question is how much self-exoneration goes along with that. Im thinking, for example, of Vatican Bank, set up as a repository by St. Pius XII for nazi loot. The survivors of the 200 nazi priests, men who ran and owned an doperated concentration camps, fomented genocidal attacks against Serbia, Roma, JEWS, stole all that they had and deposited it in Vatican Bank, have asked that the loot be returned to them.
The Vatican, whose Utashe clergy tortured Jews to death with their own hands, zealously guards the loot to this very day.
It has been to court. MOst recently, the plaintiffs lost on appeal because the Catholic Courts of America ruled that the Vatican is a Sovereign Nation.
Interestingly, the state of Italy isn't buying the Vatican's sovereign nation whine, and has made Vatican Bank pay out upwards of 550,000 since September for moneylaundering.
That's right--you got it. The Vatican's Bank is the eighth largest money launderer in the world, ahead of the Bahamas and Lichtenstein. The Vatican also invests heavily in Lybian oil, etc.
Skrew them and all antisemitic Catholics. It will be a cold day in hell before I forgive the Catholics for their ongoing virulent racism, the HOlocaaust, etc.
Skrew them. Up theirs. Hard.
Posted by: Farnaz2Mansouri21 | March 2, 2011 8:29 PM
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what about hunting of palestinians by israeli criminal entity for organs according to blood types ??? !!!!
Posted by: ElliotSlatkin | March 2, 2011 8:24 PM
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How can pope logically exonerate those who mainly were opposed by Jesus for FRACTIONAL RESERVE MONEY LENDING AND COMPOUND INTEREST, when that kind of system still operates today under the ANTI-FEDERATION unFEDERAL RESERVE ??? !!!!
Pope should be ashamed of his lack of scholarship and political correctness as opposed to ACTUAL correctness.
Neocons Khazars are the main architects of war in the last decade and previous century.
Posted by: ElliotSlatkin | March 2, 2011 8:23 PM
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Anti-semitism articles get readership. Jews never miss such a piece. Good business. But the entire holocaust/anti-semitism,racism complex has become so boring.
Posted by: dicnor | March 2, 2011 8:11 PM
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Why should we not blame today's catholics for the inquisition? The same brain damage, the same insidious religious infection that supported the inquisition is still extant within the catholic mind today - within the christian mind today, within any religious mind.
Some of the sayings people say have great truth behind them. Voltaire said he who can convince you to believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. Steven Wienberg: “Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, it takes religion.”
These are true. If you believe in the ridiculous, absurd things religion demand you believe, then you are a danger to the future of humanity.
Fortunately, large areas of the planet don't believe your sht anymore. Let's have some hope, some faith in our species, we'll free ourselves from this primitive, barbaric nonsense before some rapture-loving christianist drops the bomb on some muslim fanatic country.
Posted by: eezmamata | March 2, 2011 8:05 PM
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You don't blame today's Catholics for the inquisition, same logic applies to the Jewish faith. The world may blame the neocons for Iraq but for the most part don't blame Americans. When we do good works like saving the people of Haiti, the shining light that is America burns brightly.
Posted by: jameschirico | March 2, 2011 7:51 PM
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Jeeze Hirschfield, You missed some anti semites in your rant. What about all those self hating Jews in Israel and around the world? You know, The ones who disagree with another Jew's view of things. Also no mention of all those Jews who simply detest all non Jews and blame them for everything bad that ever happened to them from cold coffee to a late friggen bus.
Posted by: nastycelt | March 2, 2011 5:41 PM
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End, really, of discussion. Psycho "testament," LOL, Man-God (Osiris, whatever), worshipping dead Jew on stick, cannibalism in ceremony.
Aftermath: Genocide for two thousand years, cannibalizing the world, etc.
Rapes their young.
Sick "religion," and very, very sick people.
Sick, and vile.
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