But Catholic social teaching wouldn't support the state requiring collective bargaining regardless of the workers' wants either as is the current law in Wisconsin.

Ooooppss.

unlike Economic Reasoning, Making decision (Quraterly,Weekly etc..) as in deciding what is the "M-1,2,3 MONEY $UPPLY" Status or TARGETs) that WE, the-People, aka APOCALYPTARIAN NATIONAL(s), Nay longer PRE-APOCALYPTIC folk,

AMERICA NEEDS TO HAVE LESS BABY's, Not More!

At least (adjusting) the next 10 Years or so, Aye?

Yes, PEOPLE (making Babies in a NUCLEAR-BOMB-AGE) are a "Dime A Dozen" Now. And

YE & YO (Religionist(s)) Can Never Completely Stop Abortions, because its the same reason Ye & yo's Can't Stop Condom's availability (against killer STD's not only Self, but Others CRIMINALLY?) or stop Social use of The Morning After (Over Counter or Illegal) kill Pill etc.! Note: SEX-IS-NOT/NO-love, LiFE IS LOVE!

"MASTERBATION IS GOOD!" & BASTARDIZATION IS BAD!

"C-H-U-R-C-H"s need to stay the Hek Out of STATE//SECULAR Domain and Frontiers or Else!

VOTE:

APOCALYPTIC GOVERNMENT & GRIDARIAN DEMOCRACY!

'Something to Live for, nay/NO To Die For' anymore!

WHEREFORE:

"IN 'IT' WE[i] TRUST!" (Apocalyptic) No longer

"IN 'GOD' WE TRU$T" (Pre-Apocalyptic thinking).

NOt 'Something to Die For Instead of Live For' anymore!
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PS: Those RELIGIOUS Idiots (excuse i) in GEORGIA, U.S.A. , backed-up via MINISTERS (Deity go betweens) who also now have LAW DEGREES (tax Free) and blindly playing around with getting STATE to "Investigate into (questionable) past? "Miss Carriages" is Dangerous to "SECULAR-LIVING" (Osiris, Zeus, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad, Smith, VYASA, Gautama.. Free).

Note: SECULAR-ANITY is a RELIGION (here). Especially when HISTORY (like a Bible/Quran/Geeta/Chumash..) is our JURY, Judge & Witness'th too now. WAKE-UP! Soo,

the NEW-RELIGION for THE-50+-STATE(s) is A-P-O-C-A-L-Y-P-T-A-R-i-A-N-I-T-Y (sanity) No, nay, NOt more PRE-APOCALYPTARiANITY (IN-sanity) times!

Behold; The "RELIGION of Everything, Before The SCIENCE of Everything" is upon US in U.S.A.!

Imagine: a people blessed via the Insight & Pattern-Recognition Powers of America's "HOlyi COsmic FEelere's FAith'rs" (HO-CO-FE-FA) Apocalyptarianity SYSTEM. Where our-Solar-System is inseparable from US forever away from a man-made HELL worlds or a man-made HEAVEN worlds.

REALITY + APOCALYTARIANITY = [OUR immortal] HOLYi-MIRACLE IN (Zero Biblical Cursed) BLESS'TH MOTION! Zero Being Born in Moses-Jesus-Muhammad... SuperStupidStious Curses nor in someone else's SIN Story.

PS: 74% of UNION EMPLOYEES [here] are RELIGIONISTS, aka cursed/sinning Pre-Apocalyptarians; unlike Us blessed Apocalyptarians of America & now elsewhere!

Good bye VATICAN!
Good bye JERUSALEM!
Good bye MECCA!
Good bye DELI/TIBET
Goodbye UTAH!
Good bye MAYAN! et al!
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HELLO (Nebula-Built) SPACE-SHIP EARTH; As Apocalyptarians; There's No such thing as (biblical) "HEAVEN" nor such places as "HELL".

Our UNIVERSE is thee CONSTITUTION; our LAWS-OF [IT] NATURE is our CLAUSES AWAREness!

ON: HOW TO SAVE-EMPLOYEES nay EMPLOYERS!

RISE UP PROLETARIAN U.S.A.ian, RISE-UP!

Sweet sweet Amerikka needs it's own Perestroika(RECONstruction/Adjusy/DYNAMIC) & Glasnost(openess/transparency GOV & PUBlic) Moment or somewhat, not exactly, like the Russkies did bravely, but with Brewski's or w/out the brewski's) who went Cold-Turkey against self-Causing Economic Repression during their High 1980's, as if our High 1960's! Likewise, U.S.A. shall go'th w/out the JIM BEAM loving President [G. W. BUSH & BEFORE] or Puff but did not inhail prez's era!

For US, Sometime U.S. needs a 'DEMOCRAT' (like a MOM or Aunt-Liberty) or there is a time for a 'Republican' (like a POP or Uncle Sam). And

and there is a time for UNION(s) in AMERIK, but then again NO! Today, Americans Must say.

'HAELL NO UNIONS! HAELL NO YO ALL!"

EXPLANATION: Note: As a (ex) 'Union Member' meself, [TODAY] There are still "PUBLIC-SECT"or" and the "PRIVATE-SECT"ion Union-Halls & their MAFIOSO's so-called BUSINESS-AGENTS.

Fact & Reality. UNION(Public especially); Condoned almost NOTHING to this Nations TECHNOLOGICAL PIONEERING MARVEL/WOUNDRESS OF A MIRACLE!

So, It is the NONE-UNION 'PRIVATE-SECTOR' that's the "BACK-BONE" of [this//our] holyi E-C-O-N-O-M-Y. And the best part about it is,

That AMERICA is Run on (not Only PETRO) but on the FEDERAL U.S. WAGE & EQUAL EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITY" Hiring/Respect/Protection Law(s); and Nay, NO not via UNION BYE-LAW(s); Public & or Private SECTtions!!

Beside NEPOTISTICISM within Most Unions; WHY? why should a Man or Woman(now), work for, say, $28.00 per hour (or tantamount to $30.00 considereing 'PERKS' oe 'BENE's) when someone ABLE & READY to do the Same Thing for wayway Less; but Not less than the FEDERAL (& STATE) Minimum Pay??

Why; Because It takes that Much (as if a Promise or Guarantee via CONTRACT?) of a WAGE or SALARY to get them Off their OSS's!???? Note: Less Kicking out the ILLEGAL aka UNDOCUMENTED's here THAT

There is Plenty of WORK (here For the DOCUMENTED/LEGAL Americano/a's). And it Means that AMERICAN's must not Only, Think (Politically) GLOBALLY 1st & then LOCALLY 2nd; but (Economically), especially UNION folk & plain Folk (straights & None Straights Equally//Alike?) Shall think more in line or reality (hard to swallow; but must Be done)

to WORK-LOCALLY (closer to Home or At) and Not Work FAR-AWAYLY!. Think Less PETRO = More Money saved (sepecially for FUTURE-BOUNDED & SPACE-FORTH kinships. Hint:

WHO NEEDS so so many SCHOOLS via Human Teachers (nay Robots, but act like as if so) when WE, The-People (none-Union Citizens) now Have the INTERNET (a Great Teacher, almost FREE & much more EDUCATIONAL-POTENTIALLY) aye Momma & Poppa'a? Imagine, more Less TEACHERS and Less Traveling Students.

Note: A 'Union-Scale PLUMBER' or an Official 'GARBAGE Collector' needs to APPRECIATE what theyHave & Share Their Jobs with the None-Union-Scale willing-Worker.

AMERICA WORK IT OUT, OR ELSE!

"Part of GM's ownership stock went to the unions of the workers in those plants. Not only did GM avoid bankruptcy, it just posted a $4.7 billion profit, exceeding profits as far back as 1999."
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GM has chosen to give workers bonuses with that profit instead of repaying the federal treasury.

Bussiness and labor have a right to organized. A just profit and wage must be their goal. Labor that is not organized wage will be less then what it should be for a decent living in the U.S.A..Yet the RCC does not pay a organized labor scale for a lot of their employees in the U.S.A.. The RCC in the U.S.A. speaks out for people illegally in the country who are takeing jobs from Americans for SCAB wages from their employers who are in violation of FEDERAL LAW by hireing them as the tax payer picks up the ILEGAL's tab. This is speaking out on a political matter as the RCC claims tax exempt. Also when you see where the bishops meet which is not where the leave the light on for you for exsample, who is kidding who? The RCC must practice what they preach.

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The labor unions were creditors of GM.

The Roman Catholic Church in America has already betrayed the workers by choosing to ally themselves with the GOP over abortion. The bishops knew what they were getting into. They chose to betray the working man.

As a Catholic I have to take exception to Mr. Stevens-Arroyo’s characterization of this as a Social Justice issue. There is a conflict of interest when the labor unions contribute large sums of money to the politicians who then negotiate the labor agreements. I have no trouble with collective bargaining for government workers. I think a solution would be for the full cost of the contract to be disclosed to the public and then have the contract ratified through an election.
I think Mr. Stevens-Arroyo should also pay a little more attention to current events. GM did go through bankruptcy. The stock holders lost their entire investment. The government then gave assets from the bankrupt company which should have gone to the bondholders, to the unions in the form of stock in the new GM.

It was a Spanish Scholastic, Juan de Mariana, who, in the 16th Century, first formulated the subjective theory of value - the principle that a product or a service is worth only what free people operating in a free market are willing to pay for it. This, of course, directly contradicts the so-called labor theory of value concocted by Karl Marx, which attempts to ground the value of a good or a service in the labor that went into producing it. To borrow your example, a janitor is worth what the market is willing to pay for his services. The same thing goes for a teacher. If teachers are required to compete for their wages and benefits in a free market just like every other worker in the private sector, how exactly are their rights being threatened? Other than their right to force taxpayers to fund their pensions and health care plans?

I for got to explain the reason why it is necessary to fix the Unions and control them. If we continue at the current pace, the economy will never recover. You cannot continue to ask for higher wages and more benefits without eventually braking the bank. I don't know about the rest of you, but i rather have a low paying job than no job at all.

One final note: Union workers also tend to be less productive than non Union members, how do i know, well because i used to be in a union and we never got anything done, why would we when we can just sit around and still get paid well.

The only reason the Catholic Churches want to fight for workers rights and Unions is because it is in their best interest. The Church of today is looking for more money from the people they have in their Church. God has become a product and you can't sell God if your Church members have a lower income. The problem is that in order to repair years of high costs involved in union payments and benefits increases, the States are going bankrupt and the unions are getting richer. It is simple, Unions get members more money, the more money they get. The Unions are the middle men with a fat wallet, the Church is the vendor of religion and the Union members are the piggy bank.

The Republican Party today talks wistfully about the years 1950-65, when Americans had "values" as evidenced by a record marriage rate and baby boom. Then in the next breath, they decry the economic conditions of the time, in which unionization provided job security and family benefits (like health care and retirement.)

They don't seem to understand that the economic conditions empowered the family formation values, because a sensible person won't start a family and put down roots in a community until they have a reasonable expectation of income security. Today's free agent economy encourages free agent personal lifestyles.

The modern Republican party needs to decide if they favor using the economy to encourage the practice of values; or if values is their tool to avoid the societal costs of pro-wealthy economics.