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In case you missed this as published on 2/18/2011:

The "puke-producing" topic especially in regards to the situation in Philadelphia will hasten the following:-

Recognizing the flaws, follies and frauds in the foundations of Islam, Judaism and Christianity by the "bowers", kneelers" and "pew peasants" will converge these religions into some simple rules of life, e.g. DO NO HARM .

No koran, bible, clerics, nuns, monks, imams, evangelicals, ayatollahs, rabbis, professors of religion or priests needed or desired.

Ditto for houses of "worthless worship" aka mosques, churches, basilicas, cathedrals, temples and synagogues

While we're cherry-picking scripture in the Book of Matthew, what does it say of priests raping little boys?

I take it these verses aren't popular among Catholics these days:

Matthew 18:6
“But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.
7 Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to sin! Such things must come, but woe to the man through whom they come! …

10 “See that you do not look down on one of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father in heaven.”

Or maybe you believe like Rick Sanitorium that this is just "homosexual activity" between Priests and "post-pubescent men" or like Bill Donohue who calls the victims "gold diggers"

Kudos for the DA in PA who brought one of your racketeering hoard before a grand jury. Pervert priests and Bishops and Cardinals who hide them should now be very afraid of this new precedent. There's hope you can no longer just pay off the victims as if you regard them as some little boy sex workers for the carnal desires of your priestly "Johns"

YEAL9

I am not a bible scholar at all, just a messenger.

After meeting God, it seems to me that the reason some verses that, apparently, give some, so-called "bible scholars, such difficulty is that these verses are just too simple and too direct for some "experts" to see.

Could be that some are just myopic and from the height of their high-horse just can't see.

GOD IS LOVE, simple, direct, true and yet beyond our comprehension, at least mine, I sure can not conceive of a Being being Pure Love.

See you and the rest of humanity in the Kingdom.

Take care, be ready.

Sincerely, Thomas Paul Moses Baum.

Matt 11: 25 has been reviewed by a number of NT scholars. Some results:

"Samuel T. Lachs

Lachs [Rabbinic Commentary on the New Testament, 195] notes that the Q thanksgiving passage is written in poetic form with balanced Semitic parallelism. The introductory phrase, "at that time," is also a common Semitic expression.

Gerd Luedemann

Luedemann [Jesus, 330f] notes that this Q passage has some affinities with Johannine theology (K. Hase coined the phrase, "a thunderbolt from the Johannine heaven"): namely, the mutual knowledge of Father and Son, and the use of "the Son" as a self-designation. He concludes that this material in not authentic, as it reflects post-Easter beliefs."

YEAL9

Do the "wise and learned", that you reference, have an opinion on this verse?

At that time Jesus said in reply, "I give praise to you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, for although you have hidden these things from the wise and the learned you have revealed them to the childlike."

See you all in the Kingdom.

Take care, be ready.

Sincerely, Thomas Paul Moses Baum.

Hmmm, let us see what some of the experts (NT, historical Jesus exegetes) have to say about the "Son of God the Father" references in the NT:

Matt 7:21
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven."

Not said by the historical Jesus, but more embellishment my Matthew. http://wiki.faithfutures.org/index.php/111_Invocation_without_Obedience

Matt 9:6 Passage notes "Son of Man" not Son of God.

http://wiki.faithfutures.org/index.php/127_Sickness_and_Sin

Matt 10:32-33, ""Everyone therefore who acknowledges me before others, I also will acknowledge before my Father in heaven; /33/ but whoever denies me before others, I also will deny before my Father in heaven"

"Ludemann [Jesus, 344] states " this is a prophetic admonition from the post-Easter community. For it, Jesus and the Son of man were 'identical in the future: Jesus will return in the near future as the Son of man with the clouds of heaven. In his earthly life he was not yet the Son of man, since he will come to judgment only with the clouds of heaven (Dan. 7.13f) at the end of days' (Haenchen)."

Matt 11:27 "All things have been handed over to me by my Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.

http://wiki.faithfutures.org/index.php/045_Father_and_Son and

"Lüdemann [Jesus, 330f] invokes the classic description from K. Hase of this passage as a "thunderbolt from the Johannine heavens." He notes the typically Johannine reference to mutual knowledge between Father and Son, and the absolute use of "Son" as a designation for Jesus. In dismissing the saying's authenticity, Luedemann also notes the similarity to ideas in the post-Easter commissioning scene at Matt 28:18, "All authority has been given to me ..."

Matt 1:20- 225 (another "pretty, wingie thingie requirement)

20/ But just when he had resolved to do this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, "Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife, for the child conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. /21/ She will bear a son, and you are to name him Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins." /22/ All this took place to fulfill what had been spoken by the Lord through the prophet: /23/ "Look, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall name him Emmanuel," which means, "God is with us." /24/ When Joseph awoke from sleep, he did as the angel of the Lord commanded him; he took her as his wife, /25/ but had no marital relations with her until she had borne a son; and he named him Jesus."

"Bruce Chilton

In Rabbi Jesus: An Intimate Biography (2000), Chilton develops the idea of Jesus as a mamzer; someone whose irregular birth circumstances result in their exclusion from full participation in Jewish life.

Anthony M. Stevens-Arroyo

You wrote, "The exchange of letters between Sister Carol Keehan, the head of the Catholic Health Association and Archbishop Timothy Dolan, the President of the USCCB, led to the curious conclusion that Catholics working in hospitals recognize the authority of the local bishop to render the ultimate judgment about ethics in his jurisdiction - and of the right of hospital personnel to dissent from the accuracy of the same judgment."

Something to think about: the present Pope when he was a Cardinal said, "It it the 'duty' of a Catholic to follow his/her conscience".

I am a Catholic and I cherish my Catholic Faith but the invitation extended to us from Jesus was to "Come follow Me", it was not to follow His Church, the higher-ups, the bible, the followers of Jesus, but to follow Jesus.

Also, one of the things that the Catholic Church teaches is that Jesus's Church is not limited to Catholicism nor is it limited to Christianity.

God is a searcher of hearts and minds, not of religious affiliations or lack thereof.

By the way, God becoming One of us was just part of God's Plan, which God has had since before creation, that is for all of humanity and all of creation to be with God, ultimately, in God's Kingdom, the new heavens and the new earth.

See you all in the Kingdom.

Take care, be ready.

Sincerely, Thomas Paul Moses Baum.

The real damage to the RCC is by the actions of the RCC ADMINISTRATORS of their continuation policy of the SILENCE THE TRUTH TO PROTECT THE IMAGE.The religious sexual abusers of children is totally wrong and they must be put out of religious life period. But for the RCC AMINISTRATORS to not be fully truth full is the real heart of the damage to the RCC. Most of the religious are very good people yet they are damaged by the RCC AMINISTRATORS policy of SILENCE THE TRUTH TO PROTECT THE IMAGE. Why do you think the Vatican is a STATE? Why does the Vatican never tell of their worth world wide? Why does the Vatican keep on a path through their history of membership control of what ever they say is correct? The RCs agree with the religion of CHRIST but not all with the RCC AMD. And they thought that moveable type was dangerous, when will they ever learn? IT IS TIME FOR A NEW POPE AND THEN VATICAN III.

This is so discouraging. I just wish that the Church could be more honest about this. I was impressed by the the statement that victims were"bullied, intimidated, lied to, and even investigated themselves." So while rapists were treated with respect and compassion, those that were abused got different treatment from the official Church. How many got apologies from their abusers and the bishops that covered it all up. It is hard to understand the mentality of Msgr. Lynn and others like him. Where were their consciences?

The "puke-producing" topic especially in regards to the situation in Philadelphia will hasten the following:-

Recognizing the flaws, follies and frauds in the foundations of Islam, Judaism and Christianity by the "bowers", kneelers" and "pew peasants" will converge these religions into some simple rules of life, e.g. DO NO HARM .

No koran, bible, clerics, nuns, monks, imams, evangelicals, ayatollahs, rabbis, professors of religion or priests needed or desired.

Ditto for houses of "worthless worship" aka mosques, churches, basilicas, cathedrals, temples and synagogues.

Some "SIN"S Are Unforgivable! Because

HISTORY iS OUR [MY] JURY! (Witness & Judge Too).

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,700513,00.html

The Catholic Church is very, very rich, and I think they are playing us all for a shell game with the way they set up their financial books. While the actual churches themselves are not wealthy, the Vatican and various other church organizations own huge amounts of property and various companies. But all that wealth is completely in the hands of the upper hierarchy, and not available for the laity. Who, in their right mind, donates to a charity that hordes its money, doesn't tell you what is done with it, and spends as little as possible on its charity work, and forces its administration to be celibate and poor?

Frankly, I think its a scandal that the RCC puts its name on hospitals and schools when it only pays for 33% of them. What kind of charity is it when the super majority of funds just comes from the government? That means that these Catholic institutions have no right in my eyes to call the shots in hiring, firing, and ethics, no more than any important contributor has the rights to change federal employment practices.

First of all, don't promote Bishop Olmsted before his time. He is not an Archbishop, and Phoenix is not an Archdiocese. Second, there is absolutely no evidence that income has risen for St. Joseph's Hospital since the Bishop's intervention. In fact, it is too soon to tell.

"...the curious conclusion that Catholics working in hospitals recognize the authority of the local bishop to be the ultimate judgment about ethics in his jurisdiction - and of the right of hospital personnel to dissent from the accuracy of the same judgment."

I really like this. There is a maturity in Catholics now. A willingness to say "I don't agree" to those who once held unlimited power to define what would be viewed as right and wrong.

It is becoming more open now. Too few talk about the fact that more than 50% of Catholics use artificial forms of birth control, that tubal ligation is not seen by most Catholic women as anything but life saving, that priests should be allowed to marry. More and more Catholics believe that women should be priests.

What ever happened to the ideas and ideals of John XXIII and Second Vatican?

"nothing will change in the church until there is a will to change".

....And the only way there will ever be a "will" for change within the church system is for those, who have committed crimes of sex abuse and those who are covering up these crimes, to be held accountable. They may even have to spend some time behind bars, because nothing else has worked.

As long as they can still get away with protecting the predators and hiding their secrets of abusing so many innocent children, we can not expect that kids will ever be safe.

CRIMES have been committed, and so many children did NOT have to get sexually abused by clergy if the church officials cared more about children than protecting themselves. It is time that all diocese be investigated by DA's and law enforcement for committing crimes against kids. Philadelphia is by far not the only diocese covering up crimes against kids. This is a world wide systemic problem.

The Philadelphia prosecutor made a very brave decision, and charged 4 men for abuse and 1 for covering up these crimes. For victims, this is a glimmer of hope, it is hope that maybe no other child will get sexually abused by so called holy clergy who preach "thou shall not lie".

Victims of child sex abuse need to be allowed to have their day in court, there is no other way to get this abuse stopped.

Judy Jones, SNAP Midwest Associate Director, 636-433-2511
SNAP, Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests"
snapjudy@gmail.com
snapnetwork.org

...and there are not "admitted" or "established" Bishops or Cardinals who have hidden these perverts either..

May Rigali and the old gas-bag Donohue be reincarnated as a lonely, awkward 14-year old Protestant boy who, after being invited to a friend's CYO meeting, is befriended by a "kindly" priest who then grooms him, and brutally rapes him against his will while the Bishop looks the other way and transfers the vile pervert to another parish to rape again.

Since their Church is unwilling or unable to stop these atrocities against children, Catholic parents need to know the signs of "grooming" and watch priests who are alone with their sons very carefully:

http://www.suite101.com/content/how-pedophiles-groom-victims-a49648