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http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/05/world/middleeast/05nations.html?pagewanted=print

“November 5, 2007

Group Spotlights Jews Who Left Arab Lands
By WARREN HOGE

UNITED NATIONS, Nov. 2 — With assertions of the rights of Palestinians to reclaim land in Israel expected to arise at an planned Middle East peace conference in Annapolis, Md., a Jewish advocacy group has scheduled a meeting in New York on Monday to call attention to people it terms “forgotten refugees.”

The organizing group, Justice for Jews from Arab Countries, says it is referring to the more than 850,000 Jews who left their homes in Arab lands after the declaration of the state of Israel in 1948…”

“The next opportunity would be Nov. 29, the 60th anniversary of the partition vote, which is officially recognized by the United Nations as the International Day of Solidarity With the Palestinian People.

The United Nations says that 711,000 Palestinians left Israel-controlled territory in 1948 and 1949 and that today, along with their descendants, the number of Palestinian refugees is at least four million.

“There is mention, as there should be, of Palestinian refugees, but no mention of Jewish refugees,” Mr. Cotler said of the annual commemoration…”

From today’s WP:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/09/AR2007110902573_pf.html

Oil Price Rise Causes Global Shift in Wealth
Iran, Russia and Venezuela Feel the Benefits

By Steven Mufson
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, November 10, 2007; A01

“High oil prices are fueling one of the biggest transfers of wealth in history. Oil consumers are paying $4 billion to $5 billion more for crude oil every day than they did just five years ago, pumping more than $2 trillion into the coffers of oil companies and oil-producing nations this year alone…”

“"There's never been anything like this on a sustained basis the way we've seen the last couple of years," said Kenneth Rogoff, a Harvard University economics professor and former chief economist at the International Monetary Fund. Oil prices "are not spiking; they're just rising," he added.

The benefits, to the tune of $700 billion a year, are flowing to the world's oil-exporting countries.

Two of those nations -- Iran and Venezuela -- may be better able to defy the Bush administration because of swelling oil revenue. Venezuela has used its oil wealth to dispense patronage around South America, vying for influence even with longtime U.S. allies. And Iran could be less vulnerable to sanctions designed to pressure it into giving up its nuclear program or opening it to inspection.”

If we had spent the $1 Trillion that we have squandered on the illegal and immoral preemptive invasion and occupation of Iraq on developing alternative energy sources instead, we would be well on out way to energy dependence, and would have dramatically reduced the likely of WWIII.

If we did not unconditionally support the illegal and immoral Israeli usurpation of Palestine from its rightful owners, the Palestinian people, we would not have enraged the Islamic world, and would not have served as the catalyst for a probable WWIII.

Some argue that the “State of Israel” is legal because of the Balfour Declaration and its inclusion by the League of Nations in the British Mandate following WWI. However, the Balfour Declaration was the British response to the lobbying influence of the powerful Jews Baron Rothschild and Barron Hirsch.

So as a spoil of war after WWI, and as a result of the lobbying influence of wealthy Jews on the British government, Palestine was taken away from its rightful owners, the Palestinian people who had tended their flocks and orchards and farmed this land for millennia, and given instead to the Jews.

In a like manner it was the lobbying influence of the powerful American Israeli Political Action Committee (AIPAC) that mislead us into the moronic and disastrous preemptive invasion and occupation of Iraq. The dual motives for this disaster were our greed to control the world’s second largest oil field combined with the Israelis’ fear and loathing of Saddam Hussein. These same motives are at work in pushing us to bomb Iran’s suspected nuclear facilities.

Until we develop a fair and balanced policy with respect to Palestine, develop energy independence, and free ourselves from the influence of the Jewish lobby, the likelihood of starting WWIII will only increase.

In today’s WP - I normally don’t agree with Krauthammer, but this time he makes sense:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/08/AR2007110801812_pf.html

Marcos . . . Pinochet . . . Musharraf?

By Charles Krauthammer
Friday, November 9, 2007; A21

Islamist barbarians are at the gates. The president declares de facto martial law. The country's democratic forces of the center and left, led by well-dressed lawyers and a former prime minister, take to the streets.

What is America to do about Pakistan? Opposition leader Benazir Bhutto knows just how to appeal to America. In a New York Times op-ed, she quoted President Bush back to himself: "All who live in tyranny and hopelessness can know: The United States will not ignore your oppression, or excuse your oppressors. When you stand for your liberty, we will stand with you."

Bhutto (Harvard '73) is a good student of American politics. She caught Bush's democratic messianism at its apogee, the same inaugural address in which he set "the ultimate goal of ending tyranny in our world."...

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice attempted to engineer a marriage of these two factions by trying to orchestrate Bhutto's return to Pakistan under a power-sharing agreement that Musharraf has just blown to pieces.

Our influence should not be overestimated. But we need to make clear our choices. The best among the awful ones Musharraf has presented to us is to try to broker a truce between the two forces before the blood starts to flow, keep Musharraf to his promise of holding early parliamentary elections -- which Bhutto will win -- and then guarantee him a dignified and gradual exit that ensures his protection while Bhutto and her allies claim legitimate authority and try to reach an accommodation with Musharraf's successor as military chief.

It's a long downfield pass. But Musharraf never consulted us on the choice of plays.

Who is kidding whom? There will be no peace in the Middle East (or the world) until the illegal Zionist invaders are pulled out of Palestine and transported to their new homeland in Texas.

From today’s WP:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/07/AR2007110702073.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

If This Peace Process Fails
By Jackson Diehl
Thursday, November 8, 2007; A27

JERUSALEM -- In a bold speech broadcast on national television Sunday night, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert explicitly overturned the judgments that have guided Israeli governments for the past seven years. Israel, he said, does have a worthy negotiating partner in the Palestinian Authority. It cannot afford to postpone negotiations or drag its feet in endless talks. "Real accomplishments" are possible before President Bush leaves office. "We will not avoid fulfilling our own obligations" -- such as dismantling West Bank settlements -- "to the letter," Olmert said, " . . . no matter how difficult it is."...

For the next several days, Israel's talk radio and op-ed pages converged on a single subject -- but it was not Olmert's groundbreaking speech. Instead, the buzz was all about something that took place at a soccer game in Haifa while Olmert was speaking. Before the game began, an announcer asked for a moment of silence in honor of former prime minister Yitzhak Rabin, who led Israel toward peace in the early 1990s before being assassinated on Nov. 4, 1995. Hundreds in the crowd, most of them supporters of the visiting Jerusalem team, responded with boos; some began lustily singing songs in honor of Yigal Amir, the man who murdered him.

The message drawn from this episode by Israeli security officials, as well as pundits, was grim: The return Olmert signaled to an aggressive pursuit of a final peace with Palestinians also will mean the comeback of the ugly and potentially violent resistance from Israel's far right. The soccer game wasn't the only sign. Posters showing Israeli President Shimon Peres, another peace advocate, wearing an Arab headdress have appeared on walls around Jerusalem this week, an explicit echo of the propaganda that preceded the attack on Rabin 12 years ago...

...and Thomas Jefferson had a copy of the quran because he needed to understand the enemy that was capturing American sailors in the Mediterranean Sea, he knew he had to understand his enemy, he was an islamophobe. Again, keep working it, maybe sharia is on the way1

Mr Patel, I must say you are either out of touch with what your muslim brothers are up to or you are being deceptive. To make statements that might lead people to believe islam is somehow being trodden down because of ignorance and bigotry is absolutely wrong. Christians, Jewish people, Hindus athiests etc. have a lot to worry about when it comes to islam( I am sure you have read your quran and its' associated books). To berate people for wanting to protect and preserve freedom and their way of life shows me you are just another element of the "fifth column". If you want to chastise people, look to islam first, the only reason you hate islamophobes is because they know too much about your religion and its' adherents.

"The America I live in doesn’t discriminate against people based on their religion. The America I believe in is based on the idea that people from different backgrounds can build a nation characterized by equal dignity and mutual loyalty together."
That is an interesting statement coming from a muslim, we as a people must get past this political correctness and call out evil for what it is , islam discriminates, it is oppressive to women etc. Keep up the work Eboo, maybe you can lull the sheep to sleep long enough to implement sharia

Hi Victoria,

Here’s a column from your NY Times this morning:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/07/opinion/07dowd.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

November 7, 2007

Op-Ed Columnist
Mushy: Handsome in Uniform
By MAUREEN DOWD

WASHINGTON
President Bush came to the steps of the Capitol yesterday for a Second Inaugural do-over. Here is the text of his revised speech:

ON this day, when we celebrate the durable wisdom of our Constitution, we must remember: Constitutions don’t work for everyone. It’s not a one-size-fits-all type deal.

We are led, by recent events and common sense, to one conclusion: The survival of liberty in our land increasingly depends on the repression of liberty in other lands.

Once I thought my daddy was a wimp for cuddlin’ up real close with dictators, tradin’ stability for freedom. But now I gotta admit, that’s a darn fair trade. As I told Mushy last night on that cool, high-tech videophone I got in the Sit Room, the best hope for expanding peace is expanding dictators.

In America’s ideal of freedom, we are ennobled by a heart for the weak. But we must also have a heart for the strongmen.

Sometimes when the soul of a nation speaks, we must listen. But if that soul is housed in a bunch of trial lawyers wearing identical dark suits and calling my man Mushy a “dog,” I say, bring on the batons. Police tear-gassing lawyers is really just a foreign version of tort reform, which I support.

Those lawyers should be in jail. Mushy told me they were reckonin’ to represent Osama when General-General catches him. Which will be any day now. He’s a man of his word.

I don’t blame Mushy for dissolving that disloyal Supreme Court. When I needed to subvert the democratic process during the 2000 recount, my Supreme Court was totally supportive.

The $64,000 question is: “Why are we digging ourselves such a deep hole in the Middle East? With the $1 Trillion that we have blown in Iraq; we could have achieved energy independence by now.

Remember that show, The $64,000 Question? Nah, ya’ll are way too young for that.

Here’s the link to the NBC wind power video:

http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=en-US&brand=msnbc&vid=6266fa18-666b-4d02-9a38-952858230437

By 2030, wind power could supply 20% of the power needs of the U.S. Denmark is the world’s leader in wind power; more than 5500 wind turbines off shore and on land provide 20% of Denmark’s power needs, with plans to expand to 50%. Denmark’s wind power industry is the world’s largest employing 20,000 people; 90% of the wind turbines produced are exported.

The tiny island of Samso with 4300 citizens became the focus of a government experiment in 1997. Could the island convert all energy to renewable sources in 10 years? The answer is yes. Using wind, solar and bio fuels, it’s not only carbon neutral, it is carbon negative.

On a West Texas ranch, you can see more Wind Turbines than in all Denmark, generating enough power to supply 1 million homes. The first turbines went up in 2001. Texas leads the western hemisphere in this technology.

Here's the link to the NBC wave power video:

http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=en-US&brand=msnbc&vid=1c9f32ef-9a20-43a5-a23f-b4c798189bdf

Wave power has the advantage of being more predictable than wind power. By 2025, wave power could provide 10 GW of power, enough to power the entire state of Massachusetts.

Thanks for the great article Victoria. I like the saying at the beginning:

“There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one striking at the root (Henry David Thoreau)”.

The root of evil is of course the Balfour Declaration that enabled the questionably legal, but definitely despicable and immoral, Israeli invasion and occupation of Palestine.

This horrendous mistake will be very difficult to reverse, but it is inevitable if there ever is to be peace in the region.

Victoria posted this on another thread.

past failed "talks"

sharm al sheikh-
Incidentally, the demonization of Arafat has by no means stopped after his death. On the contrary, it goes on with great fervor. The Left and the Right in Israel , in heart-warming unity, declare in almost every article and TV talk-show that Arafat was the great obstacle to peace. Not the occupation. Not the settlements. Not the policy of Netanyahu-Barak-Sharon. Only Arafat. Fact: Arafat died and hopla – there is a conference.

The game played by Condoleezza Rice was especially amusing. She visited the Mukata’ah, where every stone shouts the name of Arafat. She did not lay a wreath on his grave – a minimal gesture of courtesy that would have won the hearts of the Palestinians. However, as a diplomatic compromise, she agreed to have her handshake with Abu Mazen photographed under the picture of Arafat.

http://www.strike-the-root.com/51/avnery/avnery5.html

So what does this all mean? I think that the David Brooks editorial serves us well in answering that question. The upcoming “Annapolis Peace Conference” is not about resolving the Israeli/Palestinian dispute. It is about bringing together the so called “moderates” (Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and other Gulf States) to help the U.S. contain Iran.

In my humble opinion, it will fail. Iran, Syria and Shiite Iraq are on the side of justice and fighting the good fight against the imperialist U.S. and Israeli usurpers. The cause of the true and the just will win out.

Saudi Arabia, Egypt and other Gulf States will never side with US/Israel. If they did, the Arab Street would explode (which it will eventually anyway), and the corrupt rulers of these countries will be toast.

From today’s NY Times:

[David Brooks is my favorite “conservative” columnist. He says that when he’s invited to the White House for a briefing with the other Real Conservative columnists, he is considered to be the flaming liberal of the group.]

Present at the Creation

DAVID BROOKS
Amman, Jordan

“What is Condi doing?

This is the question that’s been floating around foreign policy circles over the past few months. It is then followed by more specific questions: Why is Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice spending her remaining time in office banging her head against the Israeli-Palestinian problem? Why has she bothered to make eight trips to the region this year? What can possibly be accomplished when the Israeli government is weak and the Palestinian society is divided?

It took a trip to the region for me to finally understand that this peace process is unlike any other. It’s not really about Israel and the Palestinians; it’s about Iran. Rice is constructing a coalition of the losing. There is a feeling among Arab and Israeli leaders that an Iran-Syria-Hezbollah-Hamas alliance is on the march. The nations that resist that alliance are in retreat. The peace process is an occasion to gather the “moderate” states and to construct what Martin Indyk of the Brookings Institution’s Saban Center calls an anti-Iran counter-alliance...”

“Iran has done what decades of peace proposals have not done — brought Israel, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, the Palestinians and the U.S. together. You can go to Jerusalem or to some Arab capitals and the diagnosis of the situation is the same:

Iran is gaining hegemonic strength over the region and is spreading tentacles of instability all around.

The Syrians, who have broken with the Sunni nations and attached themselves to Iran, are feeling stronger by the day. At least one-third of Iraq is under Iranian influence.

Hezbollah is better armed and more confident now than it was before its war against Israel. Hamas is being drawn closer inside the Iranian orbit and is more likely to take over the West Bank than lose its own base in Gaza.

In short, Iran is taking advantage of the region’s three civil wars and could have its proxy armies on Israel’s northern, western and southern borders.

Arab opinion, even in Sunni nations, is sympathetic to Iran. Egypt, which should serve as a counterbalance to Iran, is sclerotic and largely absent from the scene...”

“There are a few problems to overcome. The Saudis, as is their nature, are trying to play both sides, making supportive noises about the anti-Iran project without doing much to actually help.

Some “moderate” Arab autocrats have become soul brothers with Pakistan’s president, Gen. Pervez Musharaff, and are lobbying America to betray its principles and not condemn him.

Finally, there is the peace process itself. There is remarkably little substance to it so far. Even people inside the Israeli and Palestinian governments are not sure what’s actually going to be negotiated and what can realistically be achieved. Moreover, it’s not clear that either of those governments can actually deliver anything. The Palestinian leader, Mahmoud Abbas, can sign deals, but it’s not clear that he controls events a block from his headquarters. Israeli Prime Minister Olmert can do the same, but his cabinet is hostile and his people are cynically disengaged.

The whole thing could backfire and leave the anti-Iranian cause in worse shape than ever. If that happens, then life will get really ugly for Rice. America’s friends in the region will try to flip Syria out of the Iranian orbit by offering it the re-conquest of Lebanon. Rice would then face a Faustian bargain — continue the struggle against Iran, but at the cost of her own principles.

Still, despite these perils, Rice is surely right to be trying something. She’s an admirer of former Secretary of State Dean Acheson and is now present at the creation of a containment policy across the Middle East. The Bush administration is not about to bomb Iran (trust me). It’s using diplomacy to build a coalition to balance it, and reverse an ugly tide.”

In today’s WP:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/05/AR2007110500908_pf.html

“Palestinian Police Seal Refugee Camp

By ALI DARAGHMEH
The Associated Press
Tuesday, November 6, 2007; 2:42 AM

BALATA REFUGEE CAMP, West Bank -- Palestinian police who battled militants in the West Bank's biggest refugee camp for more than 12 hours withdrew early Tuesday with two suspects in custody and a vow that security forces would no longer shy away from entering militant strongholds.

The operation, in which a policeman and eight passers-by were wounded by gunfire, was the first major offensive in President Mahmoud Abbas' campaign to assert control over gunmen and persuade Israel he can implement a future peace deal.

For several years police had not dared patrol the four refugee camps in and around the city of Nablus or the old downtown market district, where armed militants held sway, but Nablus governor Jamal Mohsein said Tuesday that those days were now over.

"We shall post police in all the camps and in the Old City," he said. "In the future, nobody will be able to say that the police cannot go here or there."

The operation was launched around midday Monday as Abbas assured visiting Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice that he had begun meeting his short-term peace obligations, including disarming militants and rounding up illegal weapons...”

“Some Al Aqsa gunmen have balked at handing over their weapons as part of the deal with Israel. During the second Palestinian uprising, which erupted in 2000, Nablus and Balata became increasingly lawless, and some gunmen involved in fighting Israeli soldiers also blackmailed and robbed local residents.

Last week, Abbas sent 300 extra policemen to Nablus, turning the city into a testing ground for his new security campaign. Palestinian Prime Minister Salam Fayyad said that if the security forces can impose control in chaotic Nablus, they would gradually try to do the same in other West Bank cities.

Israel has raised doubts about Abbas' ability to control the West Bank and implement any peace deal, after his security forces were defeated in a few days of fighting with the Islamic militant group Hamas in Gaza in June...”

In today’s WP:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/06/AR2007110600464.html

Olmert hopes Syria will attend Annapolis conference

By Jeffrey Heller
Reuters
Tuesday, November 6, 2007; 7:17 AM

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said on Tuesday he expected the United States would invite Syria to a U.S.-led conference on Palestinian statehood, calling the participation of Israel's long-time nemesis appropriate.

Olmert made no mention of any preconditions for Syrian attendance but appeared to issue a cautionary note to Damascus not to try to push the future of the Golan Heights, which Israel captured from Syria in a 1967 war, onto the meeting's agenda.

"I hope Syria and other Arab countries will participate," Olmert told reporters.

"Naturally, the issue at the centre of the agenda for this meeting is our relations with the Palestinians, which are part of the general relations in the Middle East," he said.

Syria, which hosts leaders of Hamas, a Palestinian Islamist movement that violently took control of the Gaza Strip in June and opposes President Mahmoud Abbas's peace efforts with Israel, has not decided whether to attend the conference...

In today’s WP:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/05/AR2007110500200.html

Abbas Sees Palestinian State Soon Achievable
Leader Says Success Possible in Bush Term

By Karen DeYoung
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, November 6, 2007; A14

RAMALLAH, West Bank, Nov. 5 -- Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas said Monday that he believes the path to peace with Israel is now clear and that a Palestinian state can be achieved before the end of the Bush administration in January 2009.

Echoing a statement made Sunday night by Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, Abbas said that an upcoming peace conference in Annapolis would mark the start of serious negotiations over core issues that have posed insurmountable obstacles for decades -- the status of Jerusalem, the borders of Israel and Palestine, the removal of Israeli settlements in the West Bank and the rights claimed by Palestinian refugees who left or were forced from their homes when the state of Israel was established.

Abbas praised Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice's efforts and her "insistence on . . . concluding peace within the presidential term of Mr. Bush." Her persistence, he said, had turned the Annapolis conference into "a serious occasion to launch a genuine peace process."

The statements by the Israeli and Palestinian leaders exceeded Rice's most optimistic expectations for a diplomatic effort that appeared to be faltering as recently as last week. The leaders' agreement to attend the conference and their professed optimism are likely to open the door for Arab states, including Saudi Arabia, to take part.

"It is a historic time, a time of real opportunity," said Rice, standing alongside Abbas at a news conference here. The negotiations, she said, "could achieve their goal within the time remaining within the Bush administration."

Others, while claiming genuine progress, were less certain of where it would lead. One senior State Department official, recalling decades of dashed hopes, cautioned that "you never say never in the Middle East. You've always got to be ready for bad news."

Wouldn’t that be grand, 4-8 more years of Bushies and Neocons in the White House? We could Bomb Bomb Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan and who knows else back to the Stone Ages some more. It sounds exciting! She will probably wait until 2016 though. Hilary will be too strong as an incumbent in 2012.

hi again rick-
i heard somewhere on tv the other day that laura bush is thinking of running for the senate after dubya leaves office-

maybe someones planning a laura/condi ticket in 2012

Finally something that I can partially agree with Novak on:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/05/AR2007110500204_pf.html

Carter's Clarity, Bush's Befuddlement

By Robert D. Novak
Monday, November 5, 2007; 8:16 AM

The timing of the release of the new documentary "Jimmy Carter: Man From Plains" was not intentional. The movie is arriving at theaters just before the Bush administration's proposed Middle East conference in Annapolis, scheduled for the end of this month. But the former president's clarity on the Palestinian question contrasts sharply with George W. Bush's refusal to face reality, casting a pall over hopes to conclude his presidency with a diplomatic triumph.

In the film, Carter repeatedly and unequivocally states what Palestinian and Israeli peace advocates view as undeniable: to achieve Israeli-Palestinian peace, with all its benefits for the world, Israel must end its illegal and oppressive occupation of the West Bank. That is a prerequisite that neither President Bush nor congressional leaders of both parties can approach for fear of being labeled anti-Israeli or even anti-Semitic (as Carter has been).

With the end to the occupation not on any participant's agenda, hopes for substantive accomplishment at Annapolis are dim. Testifying before the House Foreign Affairs Committee on Oct. 24, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice warned of "further radicalization of Palestinian politics, of politics in the region" if "we lose the window for a two-state solution." But she did not mention the forbidden words of Israeli removal from the West Bank.

These words are not forbidden in "Man From Plains." I was surprised when a publicist for the movie invited me to a private screening in advance of its Washington debut Saturday. For the past 32 years, I had been a critic of Carter -- but not of his most recent and most attacked book, "Palestine Peace Not Apartheid."

The unusual documentary is mainly an account of Carter's travels promoting his 21st book. Normally, nothing would seem more boring than presentation of a book tour. But Jonathan Demme, the Academy Award-winning director of "The Silence of the Lambs," has produced a beautiful, fascinating film, whose two hours sped by.

Demme told me he intended the documentary to be a "portrait in motion" of the 83-year-old Nobel Peace Prize laureate, whom he greatly admires, "to find out what makes Jimmy Carter tick." But it became a condemnation of what Demme now calls "land-grabbing" from the "oppressed" Palestinian people.

The film is more assertive than the book, which tends to be prolix in recounting Carter's experiences with Israel. It was the word "apartheid" in the title that spawned instant accusations of anti-Semitism against the former president and led 14 members of the Carter Center's board of counselors to resign. Not until Page 215, near the end of the slim book, did Carter make it clear that the "policy now being followed" on the West Bank is "a system of apartheid with two peoples occupying the same land but completely separated from each other, with Israelis totally dominant and suppressing violence by depriving Palestinians of their basic rights."

In the movie, Carter repeatedly declares that Israel must end its occupation of Palestine
for peace to have a chance. The hecklers at his appearances and confused interviewers only provoke a stubborn Carter, who says chopping up the West Bank is actually worse than apartheid, just as Palestinian peace-seekers told me this year in Jerusalem.

A broader, more detailed analysis can be found in the newly updated American version of "Lords of the Land" by Professor Idith Zertal and leading Israeli columnist Akiva Eldar. This scathing account of the occupation, first published in Israel in 2005, declares that former prime minister Ariel Sharon's plan for a security wall was intended to "take hold of as much West Bank territory as possible and block the establishment of a viable Palestinian state."

As Israelis, Eldar and Zertal employ language that not even Carter dares use: "Israel's lofty demands that Palestinians strengthen their democracy and impose control on extremist organizations is ... nothing but deceptive talk covering its own deeds, which are aimed at achieving exactly the opposite -- of eroding Palestinian society."

In "Man From Plains," Carter goes further in this direction than any other prominent American has to date, and people who wander into a movie theater to see the film may be shocked. It raises questions that must at least be asked for the contemplated conference at Annapolis to have any chance.

Good Morning Victoria,

How are things in Queens today?

From today’s NY Times:

November 6, 2007

Deadline Set for Mideast Peace Process

By HELENE COOPER

RAMALLAH, West Bank, Nov. 5 — Israeli and Palestinian officials have given themselves to the end of President Bush’s administration to reach a comprehensive peace agreement, Israeli, Palestinian and American officials said today.

The deadline of just over a year from now — first laid out by the Israeli prime minister, Ehud Olmert, on Sunday night and then confirmed today by the Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas, gives a huge boost to the efforts of Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to push the two sides toward a peace plan during her tenure. Mr. Abbas and Mr. Olmert indicated that the coming Middle East peace conference in Annapolis would begin substantive talks on the four contentious final status issues which have bedeviled peace negotiators since 1979...

... To be sure, Israeli and Arab officials say that Ms. Rice still has an uphill battle ahead of her; Israeli and Palestinian negotiators haven’t decided just how they will tackle the four final status issues: the status of Jerusalem, the contours of a Palestinian state, the removal of Israeli settlements in the West Bank, and the fate of refugees who left, or were forced to leave, their homes as a result of the 1948 Arab-Israeli war.

Israeli officials said that there remains deep concern in Israel that Ms. Rice is pushing Israelis too hard and too fast, risking a collapse of the talks before they are under way. Israelis are quick to draw a parallel to President Clinton’s peace push during the closing months of his administration in 2000, which collapsed and, many Israelis believe, led to the Palestinian intifada...

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/06/world/middleeast/06diplo.html?hp=&pagewanted=print

Good luck folks!

hi rick- youve been busy!

wow- that article on the AIPAC employess charged with espionage looks like it should be front page- but i havent heard of it at all til now-

subpeonas for condi rice, wolfowitz? richard armitage?
that big news-

and these guys were laready indicted for conspiracy to commit espionage?

i see the case is set for jan 14th-

its interesting to see if it makes it to trial or just disappears.

thanks rick
peace

Thanks for the post Victoria:

“Seymour Hersh on Iran”

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/10/08/071008fa_fact_hersh

It seems that President Bush is reluctantly forced to consider a change of plans for Iran:

“The shift in targeting reflects three developments.

First, the President and his senior advisers have concluded that their campaign to convince the American public that Iran poses an imminent nuclear threat has failed (unlike a similar campaign before the Iraq war), and that as a result there is not enough popular support for a major bombing campaign.

The second development is that the White House has come to terms, in private, with the general consensus of the American intelligence community that Iran is at least five years away from obtaining a bomb.

And, finally, there has been a growing recognition in Washington and throughout the Middle East that Iran is emerging as the geopolitical winner of the war in Iraq.”

[So after needlessly sacrificing 4,000 (and growing) of our best and brightest young people’s lives, squandering $1 Trillion (and growing) of our national wealth, slaughtering countless thousands of innocents (women and children), displacing millions of families, many into refugee status in neighboring countries, and destroying our national prestige throughout the world; the end result is to greatly enhance the power of Iran in the Middle East.

I guess our only remaining option is to “Bomb Bomb Iran” (in the immortal words of John McCain) back to the stone ages.]

“In a speech at the United Nations last week, Iran’s President, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, was defiant. He referred to America as an “aggressor” state, and said, “How can the incompetents who cannot even manage and control themselves rule humanity and arrange its affairs? Unfortunately, they have put themselves in the position of God.””

[Good point!]

“The crux of the Bush Administration’s strategic dilemma is that its decision to back a Shiite-led government after the fall of Saddam has empowered Iran, and made it impossible to exclude Iran from the Iraqi political scene.”

“Vali Nasr, a professor of international politics at Tufts University, who is an expert on Iran and Shiism told me…Last year, over one million Iranians traveled to Iraq on pilgrimages, and there is more than a billion dollars a year in trading between the two countries. But the Americans act as if every Iranian inside Iraq were there to import weapons.”

“In a recent essay in Commentary, Norman Podhoretz depicted President Ahmadinejad as a revolutionary, “like Hitler . . . whose objective is to overturn the going international system and to replace it . . . with a new order dominated by Iran. . . . [T]he plain and brutal truth is that if Iran is to be prevented from developing a nuclear arsenal, there is no alternative to the actual use of military force.” Podhoretz concluded, “I pray with all my heart” that President Bush “will find it possible to take the only action that can stop Iran from following through on its evil intentions both toward us and toward Israel.” Podhoretz recently told politico.com that he had met with the President for about forty-five minutes to urge him to take military action against Iran, and believed that “Bush is going to hit” Iran before leaving office. (Podhoretz, one of the founders of neoconservatism, is a strong backer of Rudolph Giuliani’s Presidential campaign, and his son-in-law, Elliott Abrams, is a senior adviser to President Bush on national security.)”

“David Kay, a former C.I.A. adviser and the chief weapons inspector in Iraq for the United Nations, told me… Iran is not giving the Iraqis the good stuff—the anti-aircraft missiles that can shoot down American planes and its advanced anti-tank weapons.”

“The American policy of supporting the Sunnis in western Iraq is making the Shia leadership very nervous,” Nasr said. “The White House makes it seem as if the Shia were afraid only of Al Qaeda—but they are afraid of the Sunni tribesmen we are arming. The Shia attitude is ‘So what if you’re getting rid of Al Qaeda?’ The problem of Sunni resistance is still there. The Americans believe they can distinguish between good and bad insurgents, but the Shia don’t share that distinction. For the Shia, they are all one adversary.”

“Cheney’s option is now for a fast in and out—for surgical strikes,” the former senior American intelligence official told me. The Joint Chiefs have turned to the Navy, he said, which had been chafing over its role in the Air Force-dominated air war in Iraq. “The Navy’s planes, ships, and cruise missiles are in place in the Gulf and operating daily. They’ve got everything they need—even AWACS are in place and the targets in Iran have been programmed. The Navy is flying FA-18 missions every day in the Gulf.” There are also plans to hit Iran’s anti-aircraft surface-to-air missile sites. “We’ve got to get a path in and a path out,” the former official said.”

“A retired American four-star general with close ties to the British military told me that there was another reason for Britain’s interest—shame over the failure of the Royal Navy to protect the sailors and Royal Marines who were seized by Iran on March 23rd, in the Persian Gulf. “The professional guys are saying that British honor is at stake, and if there’s another event like that in the water off Iran the British will hit back,” he said.”

“The French government shares the Administration’s sense of urgency about Iran’s nuclear program, and believes that Iran will be able to produce a warhead within two years. France’s newly elected President, Nicolas Sarkozy, created a stir in late August when he warned that Iran could be attacked if it did not halt its nuclear program.”

“Ahmadinejad, in his speech at the United Nations, said that Iran considered the dispute over its nuclear program “closed.” Iran would deal with it only through the International Atomic Energy Agency, he said, and had decided to “disregard unlawful and political impositions of the arrogant powers.” He added, in a press conference after the speech, “the decisions of the United States and France are not important.”

“The director general of the I.A.E.A., Mohamed ElBaradei, has for years been in an often bitter public dispute with the Bush Administration; the agency’s most recent report found that Iran was far less proficient in enriching uranium than expected. A diplomat in Vienna, where the I.A.E.A. is based, said, “The Iranians are years away from making a bomb, as ElBaradei has said all along. Running three thousand centrifuges does not make a bomb.”

“The adviser said that he had heard from a source in Iran that the Revolutionary Guards have been telling religious leaders that they can stand up to an American attack. “The Guards are claiming that they can infiltrate American security,” the adviser said. “They are bragging that they have spray-painted an American warship—to signal the Americans that they can get close to them.” (I was told by the former senior intelligence official that there was an unexplained incident, this spring, in which an American warship was spray-painted with a bull’s-eye while docked in Qatar, which may have been the source of the boasts.)”

“Another recent incident, in Afghanistan, reflects the tension over intelligence. In July, the London Telegraph reported that what appeared to be an SA-7 shoulder-launched missile was fired at an American C-130 Hercules aircraft. The missile missed its mark. Months earlier, British commandos had intercepted a few truckloads of weapons, including one containing a working SA-7 missile, coming across the Iranian border. But there was no way of determining whether the missile fired at the C-130 had come from Iran—especially since SA-7s are available through black-market arms dealers.

Vincent Cannistraro, a retired C.I.A. officer who has worked closely with his counterparts in Britain, added to the story: “The Brits told me that they were afraid at first to tell us about the incident—in fear that Cheney would use it as a reason to attack Iran.” The intelligence subsequently was forwarded, he said.

The retired four-star general confirmed that British intelligence “was worried” about passing the information along. “The Brits don’t trust the Iranians,” the retired general said, “but they also don’t trust Bush and Cheney.”

From today’s WP:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/03/AR2007110300214_pf.html

Musharraf Declares Emergency Rule in Pakistan

Leader Says 'Judicial Activism' Left Him No Choice

By Griff Witte and Imtiaz Ali
Washington Post Foreign Service
Saturday, November 3, 2007; 4:53 PM

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan, Nov. 3 -- Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf declared emergency rule Saturday, suspending the constitution and replacing the Supreme Court's chief justice.

Musharraf appeared on Pakistani television just before midnight Saturday and delivered a 50-minute defense of his decision. He said that "judicial activism" and rising extremism had left him with no other choice…

From today’s NY Times editorial page:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/03/opinion/03sat1.html?_r=1&hp=&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print

November 3, 2007
Editorial

That Promised Peace Conference

One month before President Bush’s Mideast peace conference — the administration’s first serious effort in six years — it’s still not clear what will be on the agenda or who, beyond the Americans, Israelis and Palestinians, will show up. Even the date is still up in the air.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice is in the region through early next week for what we hope will be more than just another one of her listening tours. If the conference has any chance of success, she needs to be carrying with her creative proposals, a willingness to twist everyone’s arms and the stamina to keep at it for as long as it takes.

The issue is less how peace would look than whether leaders — including Mr. Bush — have the political courage to make decisions and finally move forward.

The broad outlines of a deal for Israel and the new state of Palestine have been apparent since President Clinton’s 2000 push. The two states would be separated by a line approximating Israel’s pre-1967 war border, with small land swaps to permit most Jewish settlers in the West Bank to be part of Israel. There would be some kind of agreed resolution of the Palestinian refugees issue, while the two sides would find a way to split control of Jerusalem. A guarantee to use the full resources of the Palestinian Authority to help protect Israel from future terrorist attacks is also essential.

[I think not. The single state solution is the only option with full right of return for all Palestinian refugees.]

Nobody expects Israel’s prime minister, Ehud Olmert, and the Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas, both weak leaders, to come to an agreement at this meeting. At a minimum, however, they must launch a serious negotiating process that would point clearly — preferably with a target date — to the end of the conflict and to the establishment of a Palestinian state.

If that happens, then the really hard work starts. The United States would have to be at the bargaining table every step of the way to provide Mr. Olmert with support and political cover to make the tough compromises that could well bring down his government. Leading Arab states would also have to be intensely engaged to bolster and give cover to Mr. Abbas, who faces serious opposition both from Hamas militants and from within his own Fatah party. The Israelis need the Saudis finally at the table, as proof that compromise would also bring regional acceptance. The Saudis aren’t known for their political courage, but even the Egyptians are insisting that they won’t invest political capital unless they are sure there’s something to invest in.

After years of broken promises and bloodshed, Israelis and Palestinians must also agree on concrete steps that would show their people that life is changing for the better — now. These should include a Palestinian commitment to hunt down violent anti-Israel militants and a halt to Israeli settlements. Laudably, Mr. Bush recently proposed a sixfold increase in aid to the Palestinians, whose government desperately needs the funds to prove that it is a viable alternative to Hamas. The Bush administration is as notoriously weak on follow-through as it is on planning. But it cannot just stage an event and hope that something will materialize. Another failed photo op would just sow more despair and anger in a region already drowning in both.

Here’s an interesting story from today’s WP:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/02/AR2007110201554_pf.html

Rice, Others Told to Testify in AIPAC Case

By Jerry Markon
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, November 3, 2007; A06

A federal judge yesterday issued a rare ruling that ordered Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and more than 10 other prominent current and former government officials to testify on behalf of two pro-Israel lobbyists accused of violating the Espionage Act at their upcoming criminal trial.

The opinion by U.S. District Judge T.S. Ellis III in Alexandria directed that subpoenas be issued to officials who include Rice, national security adviser Stephen J. Hadley, former high-level Department of Defense officials Paul D. Wolfowitz and Douglas J. Feith, and Richard L. Armitage, the former deputy secretary of state.

Their testimony has been sought by attorneys for Steven J. Rosen and Keith Weissman, former employees of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, or AIPAC, who are accused of conspiring to obtain classified information and pass it to members of the media and the Israeli government.

Attorneys for Rosen and Weissman say Rice and the other officials could help clear them because they provided the former lobbyists with sensitive information similar to what they were charged for, according to Ellis's ruling and lawyers familiar with the case. Prosecutors have been trying to quash the subpoenas during secret hearings and in classified legal briefs, but Ellis wrote that the testimony could help "exculpate the defendants by negating the criminal states of mind the government must prove.''…

[In other words, the AIPAC people claim that the Bushies give them this type of information as a matter of routine. What’s all the fuss about?]

…The lobbyists are the first non-government civilians charged under the 1917 espionage statute with verbally receiving and transmitting national defense information.

Rosen and Weissman were indicted in 2005 on charges of conspiring to violate the Espionage Act by receiving national defense information and transmitting it to journalists and employees of the Israeli Embassy who were not entitled to receive it. The topics ranged from the activities of al-Qaeda to information about possible attacks on U.S. forces in Iraq, according to court documents.

Rosen, of Silver Spring, was AIPAC's director of foreign policy issues and was instrumental in making the committee a formidable political force. Weissman, of Bethesda, was a senior analyst. AIPAC fired them in 2005.

Among those ordered to testify are William Burns, the U.S. ambassador to Russia; Elliot Abrams, deputy national security adviser; and Kenneth Pollack, former director of Persian Gulf affairs for the National Security Council.

Hey CT,

Thanks for the post. I always enjoy your posts. They are always good for a few laughs.

O.K. folks, are we ready for this? Let’s have a suspenseful drum roll please. Now presenting…CT’s top 12 accomplishments of the “War on Terror”:

1. “Saddam, his sons and major henchmen have been deleted.”

How about that? Aren’t we proud of ourselves folks? And what did it cost us; 4,000 of our best and brightest young peoples lives, $1 Trillion dollars of our national wealth, countless tens of thousands of slaughtered innocents (women and children), 4 million innocents displaced from their homes and driven into refugee status in neighboring countries…

Gee, that would have been a bargain at half the price. Especially considering that all we had to do was bomb them back to the stone ages (which we did anyway), and claim Mission Accomplished.

2. “Iran is being been contained.”…

Wonderful! I guess this means that there is no need to preemptively invade and occupy Iran, or bomb them back to the stone ages.

“…Our Trident missiles aimed at Mecca and Tehran probably are also playing a role in this containment.”

Wonderful! I bet that gives our number one ally in the region, Saudi Arabia, a warm and fuzzy.

3. “Libya has become almost civil.”

Wonderful! And we didn’t even have to bomb Muammar back to the stone ages and kill one of his daughters again.

4. “North Korea is still uncivil but is contained.”

Wonderful! So I guess there is no need to bomb any more suspected North Korean nuclear facilities in Syria then.

5. “Northern Ireland is finally at peace.”

Wonderful! I’m glad we can honestly claim credit for at least one accomplishment. That must have happened on Bill Clinton’s watch.

6. “The Jews and Palestinians are being separated by walls. Hopefully the walls will follow the 1948 UN accords.”

Wonderful! But fat chance! Actually it is being used to occupy and annex even more of the illegal land grab.

7. “Bin Laden has been cornered under a rock in Western Pakistan since 9/11.”

Wonderful! He would have been sent to the happy hunting grounds at Tora Bora if our Commander in Chief had one iota of competence.

8. “Fanatical Islam has basically been contained to the Middle East but a wall between India and Pakistan would be a plus for world peace. Ditto for a wall between Afghahistan and Pakistan.”

Wonderful! I guess we can bring the troops home then and let our allies in the region continue with the containment with just minor technical and financial support from us. Our overextended troops will be most glad to hear this.

9. “Timothy McVeigh was executed. Terry Nichols will follow soon.”

Wonderful! Was this an accomplishment of the “War on Terror” or just a routine police action by the FBI?

10. “Eric Rudolph is spending three life terms in prison with no parole.”

Wonderful! Was this an accomplishment of the “War on Terror” or just another routine police action by the FBI?

11. “Jim Jones, David Koresh, Kaczynski, the "nuns" from Rwanda, and the KKK were all dealt with and either eliminated themselves or were punished.”

Wonderful! Was this an accomplishment of the “War on Terror” or just another routine police action by the FBI?

12. “Darfur and Somalia are still terror hot spots.”

Oh well, with our track record, I’m sure the plans are in the works to bomb these poor people back to the stone ages; as if they don’t have enough problems.

“Rick, I suggest you run for office if you think you can do a better job. I am sure your style of leadership would somehow surpass those you criticize.”

Nah, I’ll just leave it to Hilary. It’s a mission impossible anyway, with the Israeli AIPAC (and other) lobbyists firmly in control of our government.

“How go the plans to move back to your European/African roots?”

I’ve decided to stay here and pester you awhile longer. I’m just having way too much fun. I can’t let my dear friends Victoria and The Jihadist have all the fun can I?

Rick,

What the USA leaders do/did to protect you. (

An update on our War on Terror once again:

1. Saddam, his sons and major henchmen have been deleted. Saddam's bravado about WMD was one of his major mistakes.

2. Iran is being been contained. (besides fighting the civil war in Bahgdad, that is the main reason we are in Iraq. And yes, essential oil continues to flow from the region. Our Trident missiles aimed at Mecca and Tehran probably are also playing a role in this containment.)

3. Libya has become almost civil.

4. North Korea is still uncivil but is contained.

5. Northern Ireland is finally at peace.

6. The Jews and Palestinians are being separated by walls. Hopefully the walls will follow the 1948 UN accords.

7. Bin Laden has been cornered under a rock in Western Pakistan since 9/11.

8. Fanatical Islam has basically been contained to the Middle East but a wall between India and Pakistan would be a plus for world peace. Ditto for a wall between Afghahistan and Pakistan.

9.Timothy McVeigh was executed. Terry Nichols will follow soon.

10. Eric Rudolph is spending three life terms in prison with no parole.

11. Jim Jones, David Koresh, Kaczynski, the "nuns" from Rwanda, and the KKK were all dealt with and either eliminated themselves or were punished.

12. Darfur and Somalia are still terror hot spots.

(Rick, I suggest you run for office if you think you can do a better job. I am sure your style of leadership would somehow surpass those you criticize.)

(How go the plans to move back to your European/African roots?)

What World War III May Look Like:

http://antiwar.com/orig/giraldi.php?articleid=11666

Yup, we are all nuts!

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/10/31/104328/05

Americans support bombing Iran

by Hiraga

Wed Oct 31, 2007 at 07:48:55 AM PDT

According to "Raw Story" Zogby International reports that 52% of Americans polled support air strikes against Iran.

In spite of all the talk on this site about Bush's approval ratings tanking, Bush "best Democratic strategist ever", and so on, this poll is absolutely devastating. The American public is ignorant, fearful, and violent as ever. I've never felt this way before, but what this 52% number means is that we - the progressive, reality-based community have lost. Media consolidation, the concentration of power in the hands of a corporate elite, the military industrial complex, the hubris of empire - all of this institutional power that the reactionary right has - is too much for us.

This country is on a glide path to a bloody, reactionary, anti-democratic late imperial demise. I'm sick to my frickin' stomach.

Here’s another interesting story in yesterday’s WP for you CTCNL.

We are such hypocrites. The Bushies will say and do anything:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/31/AR2007103102801_pf.html

U.S. Official Is Faulted for Nuclear Weapons Claim

Experts Call 'Hair Trigger' Denial Misleading, Say Much of Arsenal Is Capable of Launch in Minutes

By Colum Lynch
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, November 1, 2007; A17

UNITED NATIONS -- The Bush administration has come under fire for stating before a United Nations conference that the U.S. nuclear arsenal is not on "hair-trigger alert" -- an assertion that arms-control experts criticized as "inaccurate" and "misleading."

The allegations follow efforts by Washington to assure the United Nations that it is meeting its obligation -- under the 1970 Non-Proliferation Treaty -- to shrink its nuclear arsenal. They also come on the eve of a U.N. General Assembly vote on a resolution calling on the world's nuclear powers to take their nuclear weapons off "high alert."

The nonbinding resolution calls on states to "decrease the operational readiness" of their nuclear weapons. "The maintenance of nuclear weapons systems at a high level of readiness increases the risk of the use of such weapons, including the unintentional or accidental use," the resolution warns.

Speaking at an Oct. 9 U.N. conference, Christina Rocca, the U.S. representative to the United Nations Conference on Disarmament, dismissed concerns that American nuclear missiles are ready to launch on a moment's notice. "U.S. nuclear forces are not and have never been on hair-trigger alert," she told U.N. delegates.

Her comments sparked rapid criticism. "It's plain wrong," said Hans Kristensen, director of nuclear information at the Federation of American Scientists. "There are forces on alert, and whether they are on 'hair-trigger alert' or 'launch on warning,' they are capable of launching in minutes."

The NPT requires the world's original nuclear powers -- the United States, Russia, China, France and Britain -- to engage in "good-faith" negotiations aimed at dismantling their nuclear weapons program.

In exchange, other states pledge to limit their development of nuclear energy to peaceful purposes.

Developing countries have accused Washington and other nuclear powers of reneging on their obligations. The United States maintains that it has been meeting its side of the bargain, but that other states have not done enough to prohibit countries -- such as North Korea and Iran -- from developing clandestine nuclear weapons.

Rocca cited U.S.-Russian arms-control agreements over the past two decades that shed more than 3,000 tactical warheads and 1,000 strategic missiles and bombers from the U.S. stockpile. "The NPT never envisaged complete nuclear disarmament without regard to the international security environment," she said. "Nuclear weapons continue to have relevance."

A senior U.S. official said the claim that thousands of U.S. nuclear weapons can be launched within minutes is incorrect, but added that the information on launch time is classified. "The idea we are on Cuban-missile-crisis posture, sitting on the silo ready to push the button, is false," said the official, who was unauthorized to speak publicly. "The essence of deterrence strategy is having some element of ambiguity."

Bruce Blair, a nuclear weapons expert and president of the World Security Institute, said the United States and Russia keep about one-third of their strategic arsenals on launch-ready alert and that "hundreds of missiles armed with thousands of nuclear warheads can be launched within a very few minutes."

"There has been long history of denying U.S. forces are on 'hair-trigger alert' . . ." Blair said. "Some of that is based on lack of knowledge, and some of it is an evasion, and some of it is just an outright lie."

Hey CTCNL,

Did you see this front page (above the fold) lead story about your buddy Rummy in WP yesterday?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/31/AR2007103103095_pf.html

I like the part in the first sentence of the first paragraph that talks about how lazy Muslims like to avoid “physical labor”.

The part about the need to keep “elevating the threat,” link Iraq to Iran” and develop “bumper sticker statements” to rally public support for our disastrous misadventure, is also excellent.

“From the Desk of Donald Rumsfeld . . .

In Sometimes-Brusque 'Snowflakes,' He Shared Worldview, Shaped Policy

By Robin Wright
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, November 1, 2007; A01

In a series of internal musings and memos to his staff, then-Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld argued that Muslims avoid "physical labor" and wrote of the need to "keep elevating the threat," "link Iraq to Iran" and develop "bumper sticker statements" to rally public support for an increasingly unpopular war.

The memos, often referred to as "snowflakes," shed light on Rumsfeld's brusque management style and on his efforts to address key challenges during his tenure as Pentagon chief. Spanning from 2002 to shortly after his resignation following the 2006 congressional elections, a sampling of his trademark missives obtained yesterday reveals a defense secretary disdainful of media criticism and driven to reshape public opinion of the Iraq war.”

Hmmm, Rick, the foreign relations expert for the Islamic terror theocracy of Iran continues his anti-Jewish, anti-American diatribes. I hope he registered with Homeland Security as a foreign national.

Anon was me.

Did you see PBS’s News Hour yesterday? Here’s the link to the transcript:

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_east/july-dec07/iran_10-29.html

“JUDY WOODRUFF: And the debate goes on outside Congress with perhaps even more intensity. Commentary magazine editor Norman Podhoretz wrote in June that military force was "required" to stop Iran from getting a bomb and offered this description of Iranian President Ahmadinejad. Quote, "Like Hitler, he is a revolutionary whose objective is to overturn the going international system and to replace it with a new order dominated by Iran and ruled by the religio-political culture of Islamofascism," end quote.”...

...“Gentlemen, thank you very much for being with us.

Norman Podhoretz, let me begin with you. You wrote over the summer that, if Iran is to be prevented from going ahead with a nuclear program, then the United States has "no alternative" but to strike against Iran. Do you still believe that? And if so, why?”

“NORMAN PODHORETZ, Foreign Policy Adviser, Rudy Giuliani: Very much so. It seems to me that most people in the world, at least until recently, agreed that it would be catastrophic to allow the Iranians to develop a nuclear capability. The only debate was over what the best means to prevent this from happening might be.

Well, for over four years, diplomacy has been tried, first by the Europeans and then with some American participation, and all they've accomplished, these negotiations, is to buy the Iranians more time with which to move forward inexorably toward a nuclear capability...

...So that leaves us with only one terrible choice, which is either to bomb those facilities and retard their program or even cut it off altogether or allow them to go nuclear. And I agree with what Senator McCain has said in the past: The only thing worse than bombing Iran is to allow Iran to get the bomb.”

“JUDY WOODRUFF: Fareed Zakaria, the choice, either strike Iran or allow them to go nuclear, are those the only two choices?”

FAREED ZAKARIA, Editor, Newsweek International: Well, there is a third choice, Judy, which is the choice we have used for pretty much every other country that has developed nuclear weapons, and that is deterrence.”...

... “This would be the third invasion of a Muslim country that the United States would have undertaken in the last five years; that seems to me a pretty serious business. And we've seen deterrence work against all these other countries...

...Let us even assume that Iran gets the bomb, and it's not clear that it will. Why are they more crazy than Kim Jong Il, a man who let two million of his own people starve in the last decade?”

“JUDY WOODRUFF: Well, you pose several points that I want to bring to Norman Podhoretz, but, number one, this question of deterrence. If these other countries Mr. Zakaria is listing have listened to the argument to use nuclear weapons they be destroying themselves, why do you think that argument doesn't work with Iran?”

“NORMAN PODHORETZ: Well, I'll tell you why. First, I want to say that I think the attitude expressed by Fareed Zakaria represents an irresponsible complacency that I think is comparable to the denial in the early '30s of the intentions of Hitler that led to what Churchill called an unnecessary war involving millions and millions of deaths that might have been averted if the West had acted early enough...

...The reason deterrence can't work with Iran is that there's a different element involved here than was involved with either Mao or even Kim Jong Il or Stalin, and that is the element of religious fanaticism.

The fact of the matter is that, with a religious fanatic like Ahmadinejad and the "mullahcracy" ruling Iran generally, there's no assurance that self-preservation or the protection, preservation of the nation, will deter them.

And let me tell you why. Here is what the Ayatollah Khomeini, of whom Ahmadinejad is a devoted disciple, once said. He said: We do not worship Iran. We worship Allah, for patriotism is another name for paganism. I say let this land of Iran burn. I say let this land go up in smoke, provided Islam emerges triumphant in the rest of the world.

Well, you can't deter a nation that is led by people with that kind of attitude...”

FAREED ZAKARIA: “You know, I had a feeling Norman would bring up that one quotation that he's used before, so I have one from now. "If the worst came to worst and half of mankind died, the other half would remain, while imperialism would be razed from the ground." This is what Mao said.

And it wasn't just his words. It was his actions. He was actively aiding revolutionary movements and killing Americans all over the world.

So the question about Iran's rationality rests on this: They've been in power for 30 years. What have they done? Iran has followed a pretty rational, national interest-oriented foreign policy.

If you look at the way in which they opposed al-Qaida and the Taliban, this was another Islamic revolutionary movement. You'd think that they would find them sympathetic, but, no, they were the sworn enemies of al-Qaida and they helped the United States depose the Taliban.

By and large, over the last 30 years they've been fairly calculating, they have followed their national interest. When it has bumped up against the United States, they have worked against us. When they have thought that our interests were in common, as in Afghanistan, they've worked with us.”...

JUDY WOODRUFF: Gentlemen, we would love to have this go on for an hour. Unfortunately, we have only a minute or less left, so I have one final question...

I do want to ask you both, because I think it's important. Mr. Podhoretz, do you think that, as you wrote a few months ago, this administration, this president intends before he leaves office to strike Iran?”

NORMAN PODHORETZ: “Yes, I do believe he will, because he has said many times -- or at least two times that I know of in public -- that, if we allow Iran to get the bomb, people 50 years from now will look back at us the way we look back at the men who made the Munich pact with Hitler in 1938 and say, "How could they have let this happen?"

Well, unlike Fareed Zakaria and the foreign policy establishment that is complacent and irresponsible, in my opinion, I think the president recognizes the danger. I think he knows that time is short, that time is not on our side. And I think he will take military action, not an invasion, but air strikes before he leaves office.”

JUDY WOODRUFF: “And, Fareed Zakaria, if you would, a brief response.”

FAREED ZAKARIA: “Oh, I would doubt it. Look, in the early 1980s, Norman Podhoretz and the neoconservatives believed the Soviet Union was going to take over the world and Finlandize Europe. When Reagan started talking to the Soviets, started talking to Gorbachev, Mr. Podhoretz excoriated him, called it the "Reagan road to detente" and such.

It turned out he was wrong. It turned out that the Soviets were not that powerful, and that history was on our side, and that things were going to work out as long as we kept our cool.

I believe in just the way that we have deterred the Soviet Union, Mao's China, Kim Jong Il, history will prove that we can use deterrence and containment to contain the problem of Iran and that we do not need to launch a third unilateral invasion just to do that.”

NORMAN PODHORETZ: “God help us if we follow that counsel.”

JUDY WOODRUFF: “Norman Podhoretz, we thank you. Fareed Zakaria, gentlemen, we thank you both very much.”

The inmates are in charge of the insane asylum.

Why do Americans irrationally support Israel unconditionally against our own best interests?

See this link for answers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Israel_Lobby_and_U.S._Foreign_Policy

The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy

The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy[1] (a condensed version used the title The Israel Lobby[2]) is the title of a work by John Mearsheimer, the R. Wendell Harrison Distinguished Service Professor of Political Science at the University of Chicago and Stephen Walt, The Robert and Rene Belfer Professor of International Relations at the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University, that has gone through several versions from 2002 to 2007. The most recent version is The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy, a New York Times Best Seller, published in September 2007 by Farrah, Strauss, and Giroux.

The work claims that "the United States has been willing to set aside its own security in order to advance the interests of another state [Israel]", and further that U.S. Middle East policy is driven primarily by the "Israel Lobby," defined as a "loose coalition of individuals and organizations who actively work to steer U.S. foreign policy in a pro-Israel direction."[2]

The authors state that the "core of the Lobby" is "American Jews who make a significant effort in their daily lives to bend U.S. foreign policy so that it advances Israel's interests." They note that "not all Jewish-Americans are part of the Lobby," and that "Jewish-Americans also differ on specific Israeli policies."

The paper was originally commissioned in 2002 by The Atlantic Monthly, which then rejected it.[3] It became available as a working paper at the Kennedy School's website in 2006. The paper was finally published in March 2006 by the London Review of Books. Philip Weiss discusses some of the background to the creation of the paper in an article in The Nation.[4] A third, revised version addressing some of the criticism was published in the Fall 2006 issue of Middle East Policy. The authors state that "In terms of its core claims, however, this revised version does not depart from the original Working Paper."[5] In late August 2007 an enlarged version was published as a book.[6][7]

The inmates are in charge of the insane asylum.

Why do Americans irrationally support Israel unconditionally against our own best interests?

See this link for answers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Israel_Lobby_and_U.S._Foreign_Policy

The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy

The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy[1] (a condensed version used the title The Israel Lobby[2]) is the title of a work by John Mearsheimer, the R. Wendell Harrison Distinguished Service Professor of Political Science at the University of Chicago and Stephen Walt, The Robert and Rene Belfer Professor of International Relations at the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University, that has gone through several versions from 2002 to 2007. The most recent version is The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy, a New York Times Best Seller, published in September 2007 by Farrah, Strauss, and Giroux.

The work claims that "the United States has been willing to set aside its own security in order to advance the interests of another state [Israel]", and further that U.S. Middle East policy is driven primarily by the "Israel Lobby," defined as a "loose coalition of individuals and organizations who actively work to steer U.S. foreign policy in a pro-Israel direction."[2]

The authors state that the "core of the Lobby" is "American Jews who make a significant effort in their daily lives to bend U.S. foreign policy so that it advances Israel's interests." They note that "not all Jewish-Americans are part of the Lobby," and that "Jewish-Americans also differ on specific Israeli policies."

The paper was originally commissioned in 2002 by The Atlantic Monthly, which then rejected it.[3] It became available as a working paper at the Kennedy School's website in 2006. The paper was finally published in March 2006 by the London Review of Books. Philip Weiss discusses some of the background to the creation of the paper in an article in The Nation.[4] A third, revised version addressing some of the criticism was published in the Fall 2006 issue of Middle East Policy. The authors state that "In terms of its core claims, however, this revised version does not depart from the original Working Paper."[5] In late August 2007 an enlarged version was published as a book.[6][7]

The inmates are in charge of the insane asylum.

Why do Americans irrationally support Israel unconditionally against our own best interests?

See this link for answers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Israel_Lobby_and_U.S._Foreign_Policy

The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy

The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy[1] (a condensed version used the title The Israel Lobby[2]) is the title of a work by John Mearsheimer, the R. Wendell Harrison Distinguished Service Professor of Political Science at the University of Chicago and Stephen Walt, The Robert and Rene Belfer Professor of International Relations at the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University, that has gone through several versions from 2002 to 2007. The most recent version is The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy, a New York Times Best Seller, published in September 2007 by Farrah, Strauss, and Giroux.

The work claims that "the United States has been willing to set aside its own security in order to advance the interests of another state [Israel]", and further that U.S. Middle East policy is driven primarily by the "Israel Lobby," defined as a "loose coalition of individuals and organizations who actively work to steer U.S. foreign policy in a pro-Israel direction."[2]

The authors state that the "core of the Lobby" is "American Jews who make a significant effort in their daily lives to bend U.S. foreign policy so that it advances Israel's interests." They note that "not all Jewish-Americans are part of the Lobby," and that "Jewish-Americans also differ on specific Israeli policies."

The paper was originally commissioned in 2002 by The Atlantic Monthly, which then rejected it.[3] It became available as a working paper at the Kennedy School's website in 2006. The paper was finally published in March 2006 by the London Review of Books. Philip Weiss discusses some of the background to the creation of the paper in an article in The Nation.[4] A third, revised version addressing some of the criticism was published in the Fall 2006 issue of Middle East Policy. The authors state that "In terms of its core claims, however, this revised version does not depart from the original Working Paper."[5] In late August 2007 an enlarged version was published as a book.[6][7]

Steve,

All Muslim women are not as shallow and self-centered as the poster Victoria.

I see what your monks were doing in Algeria and I am thankful for their faithfulness.

FROM THE ARTICLE PROVIDED BY STEVE-

To the Arab and Muslim alike, providing hospitality to strangers is the supreme act of courage and love. To their Algerian neighbors, the monks were "true MUSLIMS" — hospitable, devoted in worship and without hypocrisy. They chose to risk death out of solidarity with the LOCAL MUSLIMS, who had nowhere to flee and who RISKED DEATH by ASSOCIATING with them.

"The testament of Father Christian de Chergé, written two years before his murder in Tibhirine, reveals a man who gave his life freely: "If the day comes that I am a victim of the terrorism that seems to be engulfing the world … I would like my community, my church and my family to know that I gave my life for God and Algeria.

"I know the CARICATURES which a certain Islamic ideology encourages and which make it easy for SOME to dismiss the religion as something hateful. My death will justify the opinion of those who have dismissed me as naive. But such people should know that at last I will be able to see the children of Islam as He sees them, He whose secret joy is to bring forth our common humanity amidst our differences."

"We must water the seeds bequeathed by our monks," a MUSLIM woman wrote to the archbishop of Algiers after their murder. "Our duty is to pursue peace, love God and respect people who are different."

HONOR THE MEMORIES OF YOUR FRIENDS IN THE SPIRIT OF FORGIVENESS AND LOVE THEY WOULD HAVE WANTED

they wouldnt have wanted their deaths to serve the purpose of planting in you, their friend, the seed of hatred against the very people they lived with, loved and served as brothers and sisters.

these are things only you can deal with ultimately though

if it helps you to know- there are muslim hearts that reverberate with equal outrage at violence against innocents- and ESPECIALLY against the servants of the god.

and muslim hears that yearn for unity and justice and brother/sisterhood in love and service of humanity and god.

no human was ever born that hasnt suffered steve
i wish you peace

FROM THE ARTICLE PROVIDED BY STEVE-

To the Arab and Muslim alike, providing hospitality to strangers is the supreme act of courage and love. To their Algerian neighbors, the monks were "true MUSLIMS" — hospitable, devoted in worship and without hypocrisy. They chose to risk death out of solidarity with the LOCAL MUSLIMS, who had nowhere to flee and who RISKED DEATH by ASSOCIATING with them.

"The testament of Father Christian de Chergé, written two years before his murder in Tibhirine, reveals a man who gave his life freely: "If the day comes that I am a victim of the terrorism that seems to be engulfing the world … I would like my community, my church and my family to know that I gave my life for God and Algeria.

"I know the CARICATURES which a certain Islamic ideology encourages and which make it easy for SOME to dismiss the religion as something hateful. My death will justify the opinion of those who have dismissed me as naive. But such people should know that at last I will be able to see the children of Islam as He sees them, He whose secret joy is to bring forth our common humanity amidst our differences."

"We must water the seeds bequeathed by our monks," a MUSLIM woman wrote to the archbishop of Algiers after their murder. "Our duty is to pursue peace, love God and respect people who are different."

HONOR THE MEMORIES OF YOUR FRIENDS IN THE SPIRIT OF FORGIVENESS AND LOVE THEY WOULD HAVE WANTED

actually steve- i am very VERY familiar with algerians and algerian history-

i have family there and many friends and many reasons to be deeply interested in algeria in particular (as a matter of fact im quite the algerian cook)

but MY knowledge of- and YOUR knowledge of- has no bearing in any universe whatsoever of the knowledge of the young college student who WROTE the article making the contention that islamofascism the word was first used in algeria by algerian muslims!

and respectfully steve- i was a muslim before 911-

so i had some peripheral knowledge before 911 :)

thanks for the shoving a total stranger(me) into some category only you seem to be aware of-
on zero information-

assumptions are wonderful things- so easy to discredit

im sorry for the loss of your friends.

im not sure why you mentioned them unless their death is the source of your anger towards muslims somehow?

in either case- im sorry for your loss
peace

Anon,

Thanks for the link to the HotAir.com video. I found watching and listening to your friend Robert Spencer rant about Islam very interesting; about as much fun as watching Ann Coulter or Rush Limbaugh attacking some poor victim of one of their many phobias.

I thought I would check this guy out, and this is what some of his critics have to say about him:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Spencer

“Khaleel Mohammed,[7] Dinesh D'Souza,[8] Karen Armstrong,[9] and organizations such as CAIR,[10] and ADC[11] hold negative views.

Khaleel Mohammed, Louay M. Safi, and Carl Ernst assert that Spencer's scholarship and interpretations of Islam are fundamentally flawed - that he supports preconceived notions through selection bias - that he lacks genuine understanding and; that 'he has no academic training in Islamic studies whatsoever; his M.A. degree was in the field of early Christianity'.[12][13][14] For example, critics have objected to what they describe as Spencer's method of taking a position they deem to be radical (on apostasy, women, etc.) and then attribute that position to all of Islam, rather than situating it within ongoing discussions.[7]

Khaleel Mohammed and Spencer have had detailed discussions on FrontPage Magazine.[15][13][16][17] Carl Ernst and William Kenan have called him an Islamophobe.[18] They also allege that Spencer's publications are not scholarly because they are not blind peer reviewed and not published by any university press.[18]”

It looks like he is just another poor Islamophobe, who likes to take some radical nut job’s view on some subject (any subject) and attribute it to all of Islam.

Video on Islamophobia http://hotair.com/archives/2007/10/26/new-jihad-watch-attacking-islamophobia/

Victoria,

You say: “modern terrorism (urban guerilla warfare) was started by michael collins in ireland-and he was white, and christian.”

That’s true, but perhaps more to the point, from: http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-leaders-begin.html#anchor18692

The axis of evil, the world's most despised terrorist state, US_Israel, is the real issue.

“Early in the morning of April 9, 1948, commandos of the Irgun (headed by Menachem Begin) and the Stern Gang attacked Deir Yassin, a village with about 750 Palestinian residents. The village lay outside of the area to be assigned by the United Nations to the Jewish State; it had a peaceful reputation. But it was located on high ground in the corridor between Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, and according to Plan Dalet, it was to be destroyed and the residents evacuated.

In all over 100 men, women, and children were systematically murdered. Fifty three orphaned children were literally dumped along the wall of the Old City where they were found by Miss Hind Husseini and brought behind the American Colony Hotel to her home which was to become the Dar El-Tifl El-Arabi orphanage.”

And,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing

“The King David Hotel bombing (July 22, 1946) was a bombing attack against the British government of Palestine by members of Irgun — a militant Zionist organization.

The attack, initially ordered by Menachem Begin the head of the Irgun and later Prime Minister of Israel, had members of the Irgun, dressed as Arabs, set off a bomb in the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, which had been the base for the British Secretariat, the military command and a branch of the Criminal Investigation Division (police). Before the attack the British were contacted and warned about the attack and told to evacuate the building.

They did not listen. 91 people were killed, most of them staff of the secretariat and the hotel: 28 British, 41 Arab, 17 Jewish, and 5 other. Around 45 people were injured. The attack was commanded by Yosef Avni and Yisrael Levi.

The attack on the hotel was the deadliest attack against the British in the history of the Mandate.”

Victoria,

You do not know Algerian history. You must have become aware of Islamic Totalitaran Ideology after 911. For most Americans- this is true.

In the 1990s, I worked and prayed with seven Trappist monks who lived and died there. They were very good men who knowingly took their stand for love and peace. I wish I could say I gave them 100% support, but like so many others I begged them to leave before it was too late. It still makes me cry. It will always make me reflect. Their lives mean nothing to you, but for me they lived their faith and brought the life and love of Christ to their little community in Algeria.

Please try not to speak of things of which you know nothing.

http://www.iht.com/articles/1997/05/29/edkiser.t.php

Have a nice day.

steve- why should we give credence to a college kid who cant even do his fact check before he writes?
The Daily is the independent student newspaper for the University of Washington.

islamo-fascism wasn't a term created by algerians at all- its a term invented by journalists to DESCRIBE muslims they feel fit into the category-

fascism is a partcularly scary and evocative term, and putting it next to any other word casts an ugly shadow over it-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamofacism

isnt it strange how insular this collge kids worldview and idea of terrorism is also-

does he think terrorism started when it hit america on 911?

modern terrorism (urban guerilla warfare) was started by michael collins in ireland-
and he was white, and christian.

an ADULT gives an opinion-
(and a non-muslim friendly one at that- for impartiality)

"Even Niall Ferguson, the poster boy for neo-imperialism and darling of the neocons, laughs off the term “Islamofascism” , he says:

“…what we see at the moment is an attempt to interpret our present predicament in a rather caricatured World War II idiom. I mean, “Islamofascism” illustrates the point well, because it’s a completely misleading concept. In fact, there’s virtually no overlap between the ideology of al Qaeda and fascism. It’s just a way of making us feel that we’re the “greatest generation” fighting another World War, like the war our fathers and grandfathers fought. You’re translating a crisis symbolized by 9/11 into a sort of pseudo World War II. So, 9/11 becomes Pearl Harbor and then you go after the bad guys who are the fascists, and if you don’t support us, then you must be an appeaser.”

as i said- people will go to incredible lengths to justify their own prejudice and paranoia

Did you see this Tim Russert interview of Darth Vader this weekend?

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/28/opinion/28dowd.html?ei=5087&em=&en=3b06bd6ceca4de30&ex=1193803200&pagewanted=print

W.M.D. in Iran? Q.E.D.

TIM RUSSERT: Mr. Vice President, welcome to “Meet the Press.”

VICE PRESIDENT DICK CHENEY: Good morning, Tim.

RUSSERT: How close are we to war with Iran?

CHENEY: Well, I think we are in the final stages of diplomacy, obviously. We have done virtually everything we can with respect to carrots, if you will. It’s time for squash. Not to mention mushrooms, clouds of them.

RUSSERT: But you squashed Iraq and that didn’t work out so well.

CHENEY: Iraq will be fine, Tim. It just needs a firmer hand. We learned that lesson. We’re not going to get hung up on democracy this time. (Expletive) purple thumbs.

RUSSERT: Isn’t Secretary Rice still pushing carrots for Iran?

CHENEY: The more carrots Condi feeds ’em, the better they’ll be able to see the bombs coming....

The rest is at the link.

Rick.

Remember Hitler's propaganda campaigns, watch this youtube and study the faces of the men. They are drawn in and deluded:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aY5SMlLgGU

Have a nice day.

Steve,

You forgot to click your heels, salute, and scream Heil Hitler!

Excerpt from NY Times editorial:

“Fearing Fear Itself

...Consider, for a moment, the implications of the fact that Rudy Giuliani is taking foreign policy advice from Norman Podhoretz, who wants us to start bombing Iran “as soon as it is logistically possible.”

Mr. Podhoretz, the editor of Commentary and a founding neoconservative, tells us that Iran is the “main center of the Islamofascist ideology against which we have been fighting since 9/11.” The Islamofascists, he tells us, are well on their way toward creating a world “shaped by their will and tailored to their wishes.” Indeed, “Already, some observers are warning that by the end of the 21st century the whole of Europe will be transformed into a place to which they give the name Eurabia.”

Do I have to point out that none of this makes a bit of sense...”

ISLAMO-FASCISM AWARENESS WEEK A SUCCESS

http://thedaily.washington.edu/article/2007/10/29/islamofascismAwarenessWeekASuccess

Islamo-fascism Awareness Week is not about racism, bigotry, Islamo-phobia or a claim that all Muslims are radical and seek to harm those who don’t agree with them. It is to raise awareness about the growing group who are.

Islamo-fascists are a group whose deadly fascistic ideology has affected close to every country on the globe, made almost 9,000 attacks since September 11, 2001, and now kills about 1,300 people per year.

Many opponents of this event, which took place at nearly 100 university campuses nationwide, believe that it unduly links fascism with an entire religion.

If this is the case, Muslims should debunk this “myth” by opposing their radical brethren around the world who suppress women, honor kill, behead the infidel and murder moderate Muslims who oppose their bloodthirsty agenda.

The claims that this event is racist in nature is an elementary diversion of the clear argument being made — that there is an extreme brand of Islam posing a threat to anyone who defends freedom and humanity.

The College Republicans are not claiming that all Muslims are fascists.

Furthermore, the term Islamo-fascism was initially coined during the ‘90s by moderate Muslims struggling for democracy in Algeria. They were brutally oppressed and 150,000 were killed by militant Islamists.

Taking a look at the past few years, one can hardly help but be alarmed at the growing level of terrorism attributed to Muslim extremists.

From Asia to Africa to Europe to North America and, of course, the Middle East, this is a threat that we must understand and address.

Every attack, from the World Trade Center attacks, to London, to Bali, to Madrid, to Chechnya to growing levels of violence in the Philippines and Thailand seems to have the same common denominator.

One may argue that all these groups have different political concerns and the religious justification for their violence only explains part of a highly complex phenomenon.

While I don’t disagree that there are unique geopolitical and economic contexts and ulterior motives behind the diverse global geography of the extremism, there remains a similarity: In virtually all of these situations, the terrorists demonstrate a willingness to religiously justify violence to address political grievances. This is something that should concern everyone.

Another point of contention is by those who believe that because the vast majority of Muslims are peace-loving people, and since everyone already knows about the threat of terrorism, an event like this is unnecessary.

We do not feel that we are exaggerating the threat or inciting people to have a tainted view of all Muslims.

Our only point in hosting this week is to remind people of the conclusion of the bi-partisan 9/11 Commission Report: “Bin Laden and Islamist terrorists mean exactly what they say: To them America is the font of all evil, the head of the snake, and it must be converted or destroyed.”

The fact that the majority of Muslims want to live in peace is irrelevant and ignores the reality that there are still a growing number of fanatics who are fighting in the name of Islam.

Abu Musab al Zarqawi, the former leader of Al-Qaeda in Iraq, has stated clearly the goals of radical Islam: “Killing the infidels is our religion, slaughtering them is our religion, until they convert to Islam or pay us tribute.”

A final — and probably most convincing — point that many raise is that we cannot adequately address this issue unless we account for the role that U.S. foreign and economic policy, as well as past colonialism, plays in aggravating this issue.

I acknowledge that at times U.S. policies have not always served our best interests; however, one can hardly argue that our foreign intervention has always yielded negative results or even has always dealt with the Muslim world.

It is irresponsible for one to lay complete or even majority blame on Western imperialism, colonialism, Israel or economic liberalism because the reality of what we are witnessing around the world does not fit cleanly into this premise.

According to Samir Khalil Samir in Asianews “If it were true that Islamic terrorism was simply a reaction to Western injustices, then how do they explain the terrorism carried out against the Buddhists? Why then have Islamists slaughtered thousands of Buddhists in Thailand?”

Similarly, Shmuel Bar, in his book The Religious Sources of Islamic Terrorism, argues that “to treat Islamic terrorism as the consequence of political and socioeconomic factors alone would not do justice to the significance of the religious culture in which this phenomenon is rooted and nurtured.”

The eminence of this threat is made even more clear from the foiled attacks on the several airliners from London’s Heathrow airport to the six would-be-terrorists arrested before attacking U.S. soldiers at Fort Dix.

Islamo-fascism Awareness Week seeks to remind people that we still have an enemy that must be dealt with to protect the United States and the innocent all over the world.

Here is today’s NY Times editorial page titled:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/29/opinion/29mon1.html?_r=1&hp=&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print

Trash Talking World War III

“America’s allies and increasingly the American public are playing a ghoulish guessing game: Will President Bush manage to leave office without starting a war with Iran? Mr. Bush is eagerly feeding those anxieties. This month he raised the threat of “World War III” if Iran even figures out how to make a nuclear weapon.

With a different White House, we might dismiss this as posturing — or bank on sanity to carry the day, or the warnings of exhausted generals or a defense secretary more rational than his predecessor. Not this crowd.

Four years after his pointless invasion of Iraq, President Bush still confuses bullying with grand strategy. He refuses to do the hard work of diplomacy — or even acknowledge the disastrous costs of his actions. The Republican presidential candidates have apparently decided that the real commander in chief test is to see who can out-trash talk the White House on Iran.

The world should not allow Iran to have a nuclear weapon, but there is no easy fix here, no daring surgical strike. Consider Natanz, the underground site where Iran is defying the Security Council by spinning a few thousand centrifuges to produce nuclear fuel. American bombers could take it out, but what about the even more sophisticated centrifuges the administration accuses Iran of hiding? Beyond the disastrous diplomatic and economic costs, a bombing campaign is unlikely to set back Iran’s efforts for more than a few years.

The neocons pushing an attack on Iran admit that a prolonged bombing campaign would be necessary and would likely only delay Iran’s program. But it is still worth it, they say, and if everybody gets lucky maybe the attacks will unleash that popular uprising against the mullahs they’ve been promising for years.

That is the same kind of rose-petal thinking that was used to sell Americans a fantasy about the invasion of Iraq. Large numbers of Iranians are fed up with their government’s corruption and repression and with being branded a pariah state. Rain down American bombs, however, and the mullahs and Iran’s Holocaust-denying president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, are more likely to be turned into national heroes than hung from lampposts. And that’s not even calculating the international fury or the additional mayhem Tehran could wreak in Iraq or what would happen to world oil prices. ”
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Where do we get off thinking that we can decide who can or cannot defend themselves? It’s O.K. for the axis of evil, the terrorist state of US_Israel, to have all the nuclear weapons that we want, but Arab League nations may not. Who died and made us God.

Patel is totally right. Equating all Muslims with a statistically insignificant number of terrorists is no less insulting than equating all Americans with the morons who came up with IslamoFascism Awareness week.

it is most extraordinary the lengths people go to in order to justify this prejudice over another

it is what it is and its ugly

im getting out of here before it turns on me

peace all

Salaam Alaikum.

I love your posts. Please keep them coming.
You are indeed one of the brighter communicators of American Muslims. Thanks.

Peace and Salaam

David,

You noted: "zionist / neocon cabal". At what skin-head, neoNazi party meeting did you hear that phrase???

The birth place of Mohamed is the most intolerant nation on earth! An exception? No, exactly what their prophet preached and now followed by billion Muslims

It is, unfortunately, acceptable in some circles in the u.s. to identify all or most muslims w/ terrorism & this is unacceptable.

How would we respond to an attempt to identify any other religion w/violence?

We would see it as slander, and as a vicious echo of equally prejudiced and unacceptable anti-semitism

we shouldn't tolerate insulting stereotypes about any religion, and people w/ prejudices against muslims or any religious/ethnic group are should take a long look in the mirror.

these kinds of prejudices are a huge part of the disturbing patterns that constitute actual fascism; "islamofascism" is a basically dishonesty, insulting, and prejudiced word

those who use this word should take a good look at the Enlightenment traditions of religious tolerance, liberty and equality

all americans talking about patriotism should realize that the very word "islamofascism" is a form of hate speech

Just who are the Judeo-Christian Fascists who have the kahoonas to sponsor such a thing?? The zionist / neocon cabal scares me 2,385 times more than Bin Laden and Saddam could ever hope to. I long for the day when the lowlife that has hijacked this country for Israel's sake is safely rotting in Hades.

Rick,

Hmmm, actually the Sioux are using Fredericksburg as a test case for their next casino. Pack your bags!!!

And with your significant concern about proper land ownership, one would expect you to move back to your European homeland? Or should we simply move back to the trees from wence we came to be completely fair to the original land insects? Or maybe a return to the "fishies" leaving the land pristine for alien development?

Very good post based on a sound argument. Unfortunately, our leaders are bent on spreading hatred and fears for their purpose for waging wars and imperialistic foreign policy.

About 90 years ago, at the end of World War I, the West became the dominant power in the Middle East. Since then, it has protected its interest by various means by overthowing and installing regimes, direct military intervention, etc. The people of the Middle East have tried many ways over the decades to rid themselves of Western dominance. They tried Western ideas for a while, then nationalism, pan-arabism; and now Islamism is simply the latest approach. It is sad to see how some in the West try to smear a whole religon to defend their interest and deprive the people of Middle East what is rightfully theirs: A future without outside interference and military intervention.

Robert Thompson,

“The Palestinians might have a grievance against Israel, for any other Middle Eastern country Israel is a distraction…”

I don’t know, all the other Arab League nations that got their butt kicked in the 1948 war, trying to help their neighbor fight off the invader, probably have a grievance too. These same nations have an equal grievance against the U.S. for backing the Israelis, not to mention our preemptive invasion and occupation of Iraq, slaughtering thousands of innocents (women and children) and driving millions of Muslim families into refugee camps. It’s like we are waging a holy war on Islam, reminiscent of the Crusades, to satisfy our greed for Muslim land and oil.
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CTCNL,

You’re so silly; try to be serious. We don’t have to retreat to the trees or the sea, just to redress our most heinous crimes of the last 100 years; e.g. the Balfour Declaration, the 1947 UN Partition and the Iraq war.

Eboo Patel presents himself as a brittle and paranoid individual. I say to him: Relax and read, not polemicize. Earth to Eboo Patel: Explicating Islamo-Fascism is NOT tantamount to suspecting all Moslems of it.

Here's the link to Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week, which Eboo Patel did not supply (so much for "tolerance and diversity"):

http://www.terrorismawareness.org/islamo-fascism-awareness-week/

Eboo Patel presents himself as a brittle and paranoid individual. I say to him: Relax and read, not polemicize. Earth to Eboo Patel: Explicating Islamo-Fascism is NOT tantamount to suspecting all Moslems of it.

Here's the link to Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week, which Eboo Patel did not supply (so much for "tolerance and diversity"):

http://www.terrorismawareness.org/islamo-fascism-awareness-week/

Eboo Patel presents himself as a brittle and paranoid individual. I say to him: Relax and read, not polemicize. Earth to Eboo Patel: Explicating Islamo-Fascism is NOT tantamount to suspecting all Moslems of it.

Here's the link to Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week, which Eboo Patel did not supply (so much for "tolerance and diversity"):

http://www.terrorismawareness.org/islamo-fascism-awareness-week/

Eboo Patel presents himself as a brittle and paranoid individual. I say to him: Relax and read, not polemicize. Earth to Eboo Patel: Explicating Islamo-Fascism is NOT tantamount to suspecting all Moslems of it.

Here's the link to Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week, which Eboo Patel did not supply (so much for "tolerance and diversity"):

http://www.terrorismawareness.org/islamo-fascism-awareness-week/

Jack,
You clearly no nothing about Islam. You are defending Nazism. Read a book sometime, you might learn something.

Rick,

The Palestinians might have a greivance against Israel, for any other Middle Eastern country Israel is a distraction to keep their own oppressed populations misdirected. Once you moved to a country like Pakistan or Afganistan, Israel has nothing to do with their backward and very stupid behavior.

katya,

Please enlighten us all on the meaning of Qur'an 9 since you are correcting us.

Dear New Age Blues-
The Prejudice and malice do not come as "Bolt from Blue", rather Gradually develops in times against some one who Persistently engaged in wrong doings and broadcasts all sorts of False and misleading preachings, which have no solid foundation or scientifically oriented; plus if they acts on those false premises, brings harms to others, I call them ideal candidates for **to be prejudiced**. And this prejudicing process is automatically arise and sticks to the minds of rest of the Society. Again I do believe that this prejudice has got some beneficial effect on *the prejudice Holders*. The beneficial effects are- 1. This prevents PH from being lured or brain washed. 2. PHS can keep safe distance from so called malefactor- Bogey-man- the prejudiced ones, and thus PHS can save themselves from physical and mental harms.
Muslims have to understand that there happened a 180 degree Paradigm shift in American minds about their understanding of Islam and American Muslims. This paradigm shift is bound to affect Muslim society adversely. This condition is strengthening every day and every moment, and that is not a good news for you Mr. Eboo Patel. Any amount of intellectualizing, or any number of spin Doctors you appoint to reverse the mass opinions, will bound to fail.
In my personal view- accept your folly, and accept that there are some wrongs in your adapted religious belief and practices, which are incompatible with Modern living. There is still time to reverse the course by taking some rectification measures in your thoughts and practices. Amongst them the foremost one is "Behave as a Roman when you live in Rome", and second most one is to respect the Country who keeps you alive, by providing you shelter, Job, and Food. In other wards be a Nationalist, and avoid to be a Fundamentalist or Islamic Fanatic.

Dear New Age Blues-
The Prejudice and malice do not come as "Bolt from Blue", rather Gradually develops in times against some one who Persistently engaged in wrong doings and broadcasts all sorts of False and misleading preachings, which have no solid foundation or scientifically oriented; plus if they acts on those false premises, brings harms to others, I call them ideal candidates for **to be prejudiced**. And this prejudicing process is automatically arise and sticks to the minds of rest of the Society. Again I do believe that this prejudice has got some beneficial effect on *the prejudice Holders*. The beneficial effects are- 1. This prevents PH from being lured or brain washed. 2. PHS can keep safe distance from so called malefactor- Bogey-man- the prejudiced ones, and thus PHS can save themselves from physical and mental harms.
Muslims have to understand that there happened a 180 degree Paradigm shift in American minds about their understanding of Islam and American Muslims. This paradigm shift is bound to affect Muslim society adversely. This condition is strengthening every day and every moment, and that is not a good news for you Mr. Eboo Patel. Any amount of intellectualizing, or any number of spin Doctors you appoint to reverse the mass opinions, will bound to fail.
In my personal view- accept your folly, and accept that there are some wrongs in your adapted religious belief and practices, which are incompatible with Modern living. There is still time to reverse the course by taking some rectification measures in your thoughts and practices. Amongst them the foremost one is "Behave as a Roman when you live in Rome", and second most one is to respect the Country who keeps you alive, by providing you shelter, Job, and Food. In other wards be a Nationalist, and avoid to be a Fundamentalist or Islamic Fanatic.

Rick,

Hmmm, actually the Sioux are using Fredericksburg as a test case for their next casino. Pack your bags!!!

And with your significant concern about proper land ownership, one would expect you to move back to your European homeland? Or should we simply move back to the trees from wence we came to be completely fair to the original land insects? Or maybe a return to the "fishies" leaving the land pristine for alien development?

Eiboo;

Your faith is blind and you will not be able to see the truth. You keep repeating the same old logic. America can't tolerate Islam. Islam and democracy can't coexist. It is as simple as that.

Robert Thompson,

I should have also mentioned that hanging gays in the public square is not advocated by Islam either. Nowhere will you find that called for in the Qur’an. We also have some loathsome practices that are actually commanded of us by the Judeo-Christian Old Testament; e.g. killing all those who work on the Sabbath, children who curse their parents, people who curse god, etc.

Many Muslim governments do interpret Islamic law much more severely than is called for in the Qur’an, probably as a means of keeping the masses in line. Our government by the way props up these autocratic regimes; e.g. Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and others, to keep the oil flowing at a favorable price. These autocratic leaders have betrayed their people by refusing to use their oil weapon as a wedge to force the U.S. to abandon our unconditional support of the terrorist state of Israel.

Prejudice against Muslims is not the last acceptable prejudice in America. Prejudice against people who prefer marijuana to alcohol is strong enough to be the "law" of the land!

Robert Thompson,

“Since it is a collectivist political movement but looking backward socially, we refer to it as Islamo-fascist and certainly will be opposed by Americans who believe in individual liberty as expressed in our founding documents. So I guess we can agree to disagree and we know why we are where we are.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

Fascism is an authoritarian political ideology (generally tied to a mass movement) that considers individual and other societal interests subordinate to the interests of the state. Fascists seek to forge a type of national unity through oppression and coercion, usually based on (but not limited to) ethnic, cultural, or racial attributes.

I must reluctantly agree that most (if not all) Muslim states that I know of seem to fit the definition due to their lack of separation between church and state and subordination of individual rights to the interests of the state/religion.

I say reluctantly because I am always hypersensitive to hypocrisy; i.e. we should first cast the beam from our own eye, before we go after the mote in our neighbor’s eye.

I certainly don’t approve of the behavior of Iran for example in hanging gay people in the public square; but consider that to be their business, and a minor flaw compared the action of my own government in supporting Israel’s illegal occupation of Palestine, or our preemptive strike and occupation of Iraq. The flaws of the Islamo-Fascist countries of the world are minor compared to the flaws of the world’s most powerful Judeo-Christian-Fascist country in the world.

BTW, I appreciate the calm and genial tone of your arguments.

lot of people think it's their patriotic duty to hate marijuana users too, even though their own drug (alcohol) is far more dangerous. Why do people have such a hard time understanding that drunk drivers are terrorists?

Rick,

Since your statement is couched solely in Islamic terms and describes events that I asked about as being conducted by 'freedom fighters', you confirm my impression of Islam as a political movement as much as a religion. Since it is a collectivist political movement but looking backward socially, we refer to it as Islamo-fascist and certainly will be opposed by Americans who believe in individual liberty as expressed in our founding documents. So I guess we can agree to disagree and we know why we are where we are.

I honestly didn't know what a Muslim was before the year 2001. But the events of Sep 11, 2001 taught me all I need to know.

Robert Thompson,

“Every time there is a major terrorist attack there erupt demonstrations in the muslim world in support. What is the meaning of this?”

The meaning is that those whom you call “terrorists” are really just freedom fighters, tying to drive the world’s most powerful terrorist nation off their occupied land.

Why are you so worried about Islamic freedom fighters, who are only trying to defend their homeland using asymmetric warfare against the most powerful military machine in the world: that of the world’s most despised terrorist state, the real axis of evil, US_Israel?

Why don’t you show some indignation that your tax dollars are being used to overthrow sovereign governments, invade and occupy Muslim lands, steal oil fields, slaughter innocents (women and children) by the thousands, and drive families into refugee camps by the millions?

Your anger and condemnation are woefully misplaced.

Alvar Day,

The only fascist terrorist state is the axis of evil, US_Israel.

What an amazing article. The writer seems to forget the fact that 98.89% of the world's terrorists acts are carried out by Muslims.

Is there a quote? One quote, of anyone saying we should "hate all Muslims"? Did I miss this?

The writer is like all those ignore reality and hide behind political correctness - he is a child.

Sorry, Eboo not Eiboo

Eiboo,

You really need to look at this carefully. You state that 'too many of those terrorists call themselves Muslims'. That statement is correct, but you do not go far enough. Too many Imams in Islamic Mosques around the world are supportive of and fail to denounce those terrorists. And the result is that too many ordinary Muslims then think it is the correct action for them to be supportive of the terrorists actions.

I think that you and I concur on who the terrorists are and that most (maybe 90 per cent or more) Muslims do not support terrorists - but there is a serious disconnect when it comes to actions by these peace loving Muslims. Imans and others in influential roles who support terrorism should be removed by their followers from their religious roles.

This is one of the most ridiculous articles I've ever read. We Americans know the difference between good Muslims and members of the Islamo Fascist groups. Don't pretend we're ignorant and foolish. It is time Muslims puts the blame where it belongs - Islamo Fascist Terrorists. We Americans urge the good Muslims of the world to denounce the Islamo Fascists Terrorists. Until then, expect Americans to address the issue for what it is.

This discussion is depressing and frightening. Mr. Patel suggests that Americans should practice religious tolerance and respect other people and their views. This is controversial? We all knew this when we were in grade school. Most people writing seem to disagree and want to argue that Islam is the problem. No, fanaticism is the problem. Violence is the problem. We were attacked by terrorists, and we seem to have reacted by falling apart psychologically and forgetting who we are and how we intended to live. We should thank Mr. Patel for reminding us.

CTCNL,

“BTW, have my Sioux friends been to your home to reclaim the land your descendents stole from them?? Not yet?? Hmmm, let me check my e-mail. Sorry they were delayed. Expect them tomorrow. ”

I’m not worried. After the genocide that we committed on the true owners of this land, there are not enough left to worry about. Besides, the few that are left are concentrated mostly in the west. I should be safe enough here in good old Fredericksburg, VA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_Americans_in_the_United_States#Removal_and_reservations

“According to 2003 United States Census Bureau estimates, a little over one third of the 2,786,652 Native Americans in the United States live in three states: California at 413,382, Arizona at 294,137 and Oklahoma at 279,559.[28]
As of 2000, the largest tribes in the U.S. by population were Navajo, Cherokee, Choctaw, Sioux, Chippewa, Apache, Lumbee, Blackfeet, Iroquois, and Pueblo. In 2000, eight of ten Americans with Native American ancestry were of mixed blood. It is estimated that by 2100 that figure will rise to nine out of ten.[29] In addition, there are a number of tribes that are recognized by individual states, but not by the federal government. The rights and benefits associated with state recognition vary from state to state.”

The Indian Removal Act of 1830 will serve as the model for removing the Israelis from Palestine and relocating them to Texas:

“Congress passed the Indian Removal Act of 1830, which authorized the President to conduct treaties to exchange Native American land east of the Mississippi River for lands west of the river. As many as 100,000 Native Americans eventually relocated in the West as a result of this Indian Removal policy. In theory, relocation was supposed to be voluntary (and many Native Americans did remain in the East), but in practice great pressure was put on Native American leaders to sign removal treaties. Arguably the most egregious violation of the stated intention of the removal policy was the Treaty of New Echota, which was signed by a dissident faction of Cherokees, but not the elected leadership. The treaty was brutally enforced by President Andrew Jackson, which resulted in the deaths of an estimated four thousand Cherokees on the Trail of Tears.”

This movement to expose and put intense pressure on Islamic Radicalism will not diminish until political Islam is eradicated. All significant political influence by religions is bad for the world's people but the influence and actions of political Islam is the worst at present. Muslims who want their ilk and their religion treated similarly to others need to join in the effort to put away political Islam instead of just defending their religion and saying its not us but just some radicals who have been led astray. Every time there is a major terrorist attack there erupt demonstrations in the muslim world in support. What is the meaning of this?

It being ability to read as write witheld from the masses for hundreds of years, logic behind such,that knowledge being dangerious,to those holding power.That religious mumbo jumbo,would be questioned, as those claiming divine right to rule,hold power,as privlaged right of birth. Through sacrifice an right to read as write won. It then became the struggle as to what one could read as write,there no ending to ever religious material,be church as state holding all power. At present time, more so through freedom of the internet,people educate themselves,more informed the variety of knowledge as opinion,information that can be gleaned from internet.Which greatly helps educate all having been deprived of such. As example the many,victim of severe religious brainwashing,many cases the brainwashing from birth,be groomed to such extent,people of other beliefs,as faiths,treated with,appalling malice.

Meg-
I'm sorry you feel that way. I really am.

-K
PS I'm not Muslim. In fact I'm not currently associated with any major religion.

Rick,

Your anger and condemnation are woefully misplaced.

Viva La France!!!

BTW, have my Sioux friends been to your home to reclaim the land your descendents stole from them?? Not yet?? Hmmm, let me check my e-mail. Sorry they were delayed. Expect them tomorrow.

Actually I wish ALL religions of the supernatural would go away,and I believe that one day they will.

Katya;

Muslims are NOT people just like me.
Muslims believe in Allah.Muslims believe in life after death.Muslims believe martyrs get heavenly rewards.Muslims believe non-Muslims are infidels,and should be avoided or killed. Muslims believe lots of supernatural nonsense.
I believe in none of the above.I believe in reality.
This world and no other.And no supernatural world.
That is nonsense.
Muslims are indoctrinated,or programed into the Islamic religion from birth. I was not.
Nobody pushed a lot of stupid ideas into my head.
so my head is clear,and I appreciate the reality of the world.
You believe what you were programed to believe.
What's so smart about that?
Besides,you may be a 'nice' Muslim,but many of your brother Muslims are out there creating havoc in the name of your make believe Allah.
So,I'm sorry,but I wish Islam would go away.

Robert,

“The creators of this event intended to highlight the fact that it is a small minority of Muslims that are terrorists. Nevertheless, this small minority wants to imprison the world under an Islamic caliphate. This fact cannot be ignored.”

Where do you get the notion that the small minority that you call “terrorists” wants to imprison the world under an Islamic caliphate?

They just want payback for the havoc that the real axis of evil, the terrorist state of US_Israel, is perpetrating in the Middle East.

CTCNL,

“And never does Eboo condemn the sponsors of most of this terror, i.e. The Islamic Shiite terror theocracy of Iran aka the Third Axis of Evil and also the Sunni "Wannabees" of Saudi Arabia.”

Why are you so worried about Islamic “terrorists” who are only trying to defend their homeland using asymmetric warfare against the most powerful military machine in the world: that of the world’s most despised terrorist state, the real axis of evil, US_Israel?

Why don’t you show some indignation that your tax dollars are being used to overthrow sovereign governments, invade and occupy Muslim lands, steal oil fields, slaughter innocents (women and children) by the thousands, and drive families into refugee camps by the millions?

Your anger and condemnation is woefully misplaced.

where are the comments?

where are the comments?

Eboo Patel, again?
Why do you not under stand what is going on around you?
Question No.1,
why the whole nation is "Islamophobic"??
2. why such a movement called "Islamofascism awareness week" organised in grass root levels, specially amongst young students in University campuses?
3. why you think this "IslamoFascism" seminars are unpatriotic??
4. Again why you think that Your mullah clerics while preaching in mosques situated inside campuses, with hatred messages against Non Islamic Students, and made that venue for recruiting innocent Muslim students for Jihadi and subversive activities to carry out inside your Host country? So do You consider that those clerics are patriotic? and those non Islamic Student organizers who are expressing their genuine fears and trepidations through organized manner, Democratic and peaceful way, to establish their Civil Rights- Are [according to your Consideration] Unpatriotic?
5. Have you ever done the exercise of self analysis, why all these Americans are so Bias against your religion? Why they are so critical against Islam? why they are not so or at all critical against other Youths who practice other faiths?? For example- Christians and others[ protestants, Roman Catholic, presbyterians, Orthodox churches, Jehovah's witness, Mormon, Jews, Hindus, shikism, Zoroastrians, tree worshipers, ets], general American public have no qualm with?? But why Your Islam now has come under "spot light" for scrutiny. There must have some serious and fundamental reason, and which needs urgent investigation and treatment [for your benefit]??
6. Mr. Eboo Patel, why don't you realize that all are happening around you and your religion, are the by product of your religious belief systems, in which there are no provision of accommodating other faiths and Humanity in broader sense. Your narrow angle vision, your denial of other faiths, Your intolerance to other faith holders, and you have no mechanism, through which you can extend your hand to integrate yourself in to Universal brotherhood of Mankind. You are isolationists, and monolithic just like communist Dictators, and fascists. Your Islamic indoctrination is dangerous for general mankind's Health.
7. It is a common knowledge that there are rampant intra Islamic ethnic violence's going on. For example Infighting is Rafe between Sunnis and Shiites, and killings going on between other ethnic sects inside Muslims cultur. Rather I call it cannibalism is going on inside Islamic domain. Then how do you expect us the other faith holders will believe you and won't be anxious about your activities and Your adapted Ethos and practices?

Eboo Patel, again?
Why do you not under stand what is going on around you?
Question No.1,
why the whole nation is "Islamophobic"??
2. why such a movement called "Islamofascism awareness week" organised in grass root levels, specially amongst young students in University campuses?
3. why you think this "IslamoFascism" seminars are unpatriotic??
4. Again why you think that Your mullah clerics while preaching in mosques situated inside campuses, with hatred messages against Non Islamic Students, and made that venue for recruiting innocent Muslim students for Jihadi and subversive activities to carry out inside your Host country? So do You consider that those clerics are patriotic? and those non Islamic Student organizers who are expressing their genuine fears and trepidations through organized manner, Democratic and peaceful way, to establish their Civil Rights- Are [according to your Consideration] Unpatriotic?
5. Have you ever done the exercise of self analysis, why all these Americans are so Bias against your religion? Why they are so critical against Islam? why they are not so or at all critical against other Youths who practice other faiths?? For example- Christians and others[ protestants, Roman Catholic, presbyterians, Orthodox churches, Jehovah's witness, Mormon, Jews, Hindus, shikism, Zoroastrians, tree worshipers, ets], general American public have no qualm with?? But why Your Islam now has come under "spot light" for scrutiny. There must have some serious and fundamental reason, and which needs urgent investigation and treatment [for your benefit]??
6. Mr. Eboo Patel, why don't you realize that all are happening around you and your religion, are the by product of your religious belief systems, in which there are no provision of accommodating other faiths and Humanity in broader sense. Your narrow angle vision, your denial of other faiths, Your intolerance to other faith holders, and you have no mechanism, through which you can extend your hand to integrate yourself in to Universal brotherhood of Mankind. You are isolationists, and monolithic just like communist Dictators, and fascists. Your Islamic indoctrination is dangerous for general mankind's Health.
7. It is a common knowledge that there are rampant intra Islamic ethnic violence's going on. For example Infighting is Rafe between Sunnis and Shiites, and killings going on between other ethnic sects inside Muslims cultur. Rather I call it cannibalism is going on inside Islamic domain. Then how do you expect us the other faith holders will believe you and won't be anxious about your activities and Your adapted Ethos and practices?

You make some valid points, including the fact that not every Muslim is a terrorist. However, you fail to grasp the purpose of Islamo-Fascism week. The creators of this event intended to highlight the fact that it is a small minority of Muslims that are terrorists. Nevertheless, this small minority wants to imprison the world under an Islamic caliphate. This fact cannot be ignored. If the Pope intended to force the Catholic religon on the world through force, the average person should have the same concern.

This is not an indictement against those who practice peaceful, non-political Islam.

I also have a question. Can a Christian openly practice his or her religion in a Muslim country without paying for protection or fear of reprisal or violence? Could a Christian hold power in a Muslim country? The Muslim Brotherhood recently said that, if they take power in Egypt, a Christian could not hold power. It would be interesting to see you write a column on this.

In the interests of full disclosure, what groups do you belong to?

You make some valid points, including the fact that not every Muslim is a terrorist. However, you fail to grasp the purpose of Islamo-Fascism week. The creators of this event intended to highlight the fact that it is a small minority of Muslims that are terrorists. Nevertheless, this small minority wants to imprison the world under an Islamic caliphate. This fact cannot be ignored. If the Pope intended to force the Catholic religon on the world through force, the average person should have the same concern.

This is not an indictement against those who practice peaceful, non-political Islam.

I also have a question. Can a Christian openly practice his or her religion in a Muslim country without paying for protection or fear of reprisal or violence? Could a Christian hold power in a Muslim country? The Muslim Brotherhood recently said that, if they take power in Egypt, a Christian could not hold power. It would be interesting to see you write a column on this.

In the interests of full disclosure, what groups do you belong to?

Anonymous said: "Yes people have missused the name of Jesus but He said "Love your enemies" and "turn the other cheek." This is much different from the "slay the ifidels" mandate of the Qur'an."

Jesus *does* appear to have been more humanitarian that Mohammed, but their "followers" behave similarly.

Let no one forget that the first response among Evangelical Christians after 9/11 was to blame America first: attacking free thinkers, liberals, and moderates more than the Islam-inspired fanatics who actually did the deed. Let's face it, Osama bin Laden doesn't hate America because of the likes of Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, Ann Coulter, Bill O'Reilley, and the other hateful Christians. The ones he can't stand are the people who believe in living together peacefully and living without superstition.

"They tell us it (Islam) is a religion of peace. That does not match what I read in the Qur'an and the hadith."

Neither does the Christian "religion of peace" concept match what is written in the old testament OR the new testament. Which apostle was it who killed Ananias and Sephira for lying about their tithes?

Evangelicals hate Muslim countries, and with good reason. They see themselves without the principle of separation of church and state.

Yes, the present world of technological wonder and ease may be scary and hard to decipher for those less intellectually prepared. Communications and computers as they cross cultures must seem like magic. For those with less discernment- anything may be believed.

"The official Islamic Republic News Agency reported this week, that police had arrested 14 squirrels on charges of espionage.

The rodents were found near the Iranian border, allegedly equipped with eavesdropping devices, according to IRNA."

http://worldblog.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/07/20/280529.aspx

Its interesting, sitting here and reading comment after comment insisting that Dr. Patel doesn't read this or know anything about that.

But these comments are missing the point. Misquoting the English meaning of the Koran, or quoting all the terrorist facts you know, does not make up for dismissing 1.3 million people from the mistakes and horrors made by just a small fraction of that group.

Muslims are people. Just like you. Just like me.

Conflict and horrible things happen when we forget that fact. Things like the litany of horrors you all have so helpfully listed.

Please, just for a small moment take a step back. You don't have to give up your ideals or your anger but pause for a moment and breathe. Then think: Is this the person I want to be? Does God's love require such indiscriminate hate? Do I realize that these are people? That they are children, and women and teachers and nurses and old men, and firefighters, and in the end they are just people?

Jesus said love thy enemy. One of you mentioned that fact. Are you loving your assumed enemy? Enough to admit that there are good humans who are Muslim?

Islam is a religion of peace and just like some Christians and some Jews get screwed up about the message sometimes, so can some Muslims. Please don't dismiss a whole group of people for the actions of a few.

What would Jesus do? Love. Learn. Grow.

Jim M,

That was about the most uneducated post I have ever read. You really do need to get out more instead of listening to anti-Christian propaganda. Christians feed and cloth more hurting hungry people than any of the group of people now and in the history of our planet. Yes people have missused the name of Jesus but He said "Love your enemies" and "turn the other cheek." This is much different from the "slay the ifidels" mandate of the Qur'an. Have you ever read the Qur'an? Do you know much about Islam outside of the lies the PC media tells us. They tell us it is a religion of peace. That does not match what I read in the Qur'an and the hadith. That is not what I see throughout the Islamic world. I can put two and two together how about you?

Mr. Patel has served a very worthwhile cause by shining a spotlight on one of the more despicable movements underway in America, the attempt to cloak all Muslims with the terrorist mantle. I am aware of and have written about on these pages some of the more disturbing aspects of Muslim doctrine and practices. But too many Americans seem compelled to become the mirror image of that outlook.

Do not dismiss as self-evident or elementary the need for Americans to stand against the bigotry that he decries. All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. Extremism needs to be constantly fought.

Mr. Eboo Patel. What do you know about Islam? You sound just like another so-called educated elite who has not bothered to study Islam; your arguments are based on your emotions and conjecture. Thomas Jefferson had a copy of the Quran because HE WANTED TO KNOW THE ENEMY.
Also, John Quincy Adams knew about Islam too.

John Quincy Adams possessed a remarkably clear, uncompromised understanding of the permanent Islamic institutions of jihad war and dhimmitude. Regarding jihad, Adams states in his essay series,

“…he [Muhammad] declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind…The precept of the Koran is, perpetual war against all who deny, that Mahomet is the prophet of God.”

Confirming Adams’ assessment, the late Muslim scholar, Professor Majid Khadduri, wrote the following in his authoritative 1955 treatise on jihad, War and Peace in the Law of Islam :

“Thus the jihad may be regarded as Islam’s instrument for carrying out its ultimate objective by turning all people into believers, if not in the prophethood of Muhammad (as in the case of the dhimmis), at least in the belief of God. The Prophet Muhammad is reported to have declared ‘some of my people will continue to fight victoriously for the sake of the truth until the last one of them will combat the anti-Christ’. Until that moment is reached the jihad, in one form or another will remain as a permanent obligation upon the entire Muslim community. It follows that the existence of a dar al-harb is ultimately outlawed under the Islamic jural order; that the dar al-Islam permanently under jihad obligation until the dar al-harb is reduced to non-existence; and that any community accepting certain disabilities- must submit to Islamic rule and reside in the dar al-Islam or be bound as clients to the Muslim community. The universality of Islam, in its all embracing creed, is imposed on the believers as a continuous process of warfare, psychological and political if not strictly military.”3

And Adams captured the essential condition imposed upon the non-Muslim dhimmi “tributaries” subjugated by jihad, with this laconic statement,

“The vanquished may purchase their lives, by the payment of tribute.”

And Winston Churchill:

How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity.

The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceasedto be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities – but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.”

-Sir Winston Churchill (The River War, first edition, Vol. II, pages248-50 (London: Longmans, Green & Co., 1899).

APPARENTLY YOU FORGOT THE HISTORY OF INDIA, OR YOUR PARENTS DIDN'T TELL YOU.

Here is a BASIC refresher for you.
And don't forget about the Jihad when Muslim Pakistan and Hindu India split.

http://www.voiceofdharma.com/books/tcqp/chi6.htm

Give me a break please. Stop acting like there is no threat of political Islam in the west.

Mr. Eboo Patel. What do you know about Islam? You sound just like another so-called educated elite who has not bothered to study Islam; your arguments are based on your emotions and conjecture. Thomas Jefferson had a copy of the Quran because HE WANTED TO KNOW THE ENEMY.
Also, John Quincy Adams knew about Islam too.

John Quincy Adams possessed a remarkably clear, uncompromised understanding of the permanent Islamic institutions of jihad war and dhimmitude. Regarding jihad, Adams states in his essay series,

“…he [Muhammad] declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind…The precept of the Koran is, perpetual war against all who deny, that Mahomet is the prophet of God.”

Confirming Adams’ assessment, the late Muslim scholar, Professor Majid Khadduri, wrote the following in his authoritative 1955 treatise on jihad, War and Peace in the Law of Islam :

“Thus the jihad may be regarded as Islam’s instrument for carrying out its ultimate objective by turning all people into believers, if not in the prophethood of Muhammad (as in the case of the dhimmis), at least in the belief of God. The Prophet Muhammad is reported to have declared ‘some of my people will continue to fight victoriously for the sake of the truth until the last one of them will combat the anti-Christ’. Until that moment is reached the jihad, in one form or another will remain as a permanent obligation upon the entire Muslim community. It follows that the existence of a dar al-harb is ultimately outlawed under the Islamic jural order; that the dar al-Islam permanently under jihad obligation until the dar al-harb is reduced to non-existence; and that any community accepting certain disabilities- must submit to Islamic rule and reside in the dar al-Islam or be bound as clients to the Muslim community. The universality of Islam, in its all embracing creed, is imposed on the believers as a continuous process of warfare, psychological and political if not strictly military.”3

And Adams captured the essential condition imposed upon the non-Muslim dhimmi “tributaries” subjugated by jihad, with this laconic statement,

“The vanquished may purchase their lives, by the payment of tribute.”

And Winston Churchill:

How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity.

The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceasedto be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities – but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.”

-Sir Winston Churchill (The River War, first edition, Vol. II, pages248-50 (London: Longmans, Green & Co., 1899).

APPARENTLY YOU FORGOT THE HISTORY OF INDIA, OR YOUR PARENTS DIDN'T TELL YOU.

Here is a BASIC refresher for you.
And don't forget about the Jihad when Muslim Pakistan and Hindu India split.

http://www.voiceofdharma.com/books/tcqp/chi6.htm

Give me a break please. Stop acting like there is no threat of political Islam in the west.

Well, muslims do scare me. But not as much of the many religious kooks closer to home...Ann Coulter, Rick Santorum, and many of the writers in this post.

All religions are violent and controlling. I used to think of hinduism as a peaceful religion, probably from hearing about Ghandi. A closer look reveals a cruel religion of male domination and class system.

As far a Jefferson is concerned, don't count on owning the Koran as evidence of respect...perhaps study. I have a set of worry beads that were gifted to me. I also have a crucifix that was gifted to me. But I have no respect for Islam, Judism, Christianity, or any other religion organized by men.

Syed K Mirza

Excellent,if lengthy essay.
If you made them shorter,more people would read them.
You have a lot of interesting things to say,but their length challenges even my attention span.

There are not many who have been able to move beyond their "taught-beliefs" the way you have done.
I've learned a lot from reading your recent post.
Thanks

NIGERIA: TWO CHRISTIANS MURDERED IN KADUNA
Sword, wooden club attacks follow calls for violent jihad by Muslim leaders.

KADUNA, Nigeria, October 22 (Compass Direct News) – One man has been killed with a sword and another bludgeoned to death in this city in central northern Nigeria following Muslim leaders’ appeal to wage violent jihad against youthful Christians. Muslim extremists on October 12 murdered Henry Emmanuel Ogbaje, a 24-year-old Christian, at an area known as Gamji Gate. The following day, church leaders said, a young Christian identified only as Basil was killed by sword in the same area. Elder Saidu Dogo, secretary of the northern Nigeria chapter of the Christian Association of Nigeria, told Compass that Islamic leader Sheik Gumi had urged Muslims to wage jihad against Christians in televised broadcasts during the Islamic month-long observance of Ramadan. “He specifically called for a jihad,” Dogo told Compass, “and that when they go killing they should not kill the elderly people, because the elderly have spent their years already, but that Muslims should kill young Christians.”

I do not hate Muslim people I hate the religion of Islam. It has enslaved billions of people who are made in the image of God to a lie. It is destructive and murderous. Read your Qur'an. Why is it that Islamic apologists always equate rejection of Islam as hatred towards the people who practice it? I hate no one but only want to see them set free. Stop raising straw men.

Mr. Ebo:

You talk good but a little bit ignorant about terrorism today. I am not saying that, hating all muslims will do any good, but we must not forget that, all muslims may not be terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims. Therefore, we must find out what makes those innocent muslims into monsterous Islamic terrorists. We must search for the cause! Please read the article below what cause a simple believer a child killer terrorist.

Qur'an is the Primary Manual of Islamic Suicide Terrorism

By Syed Kamran Mirza

21 April, 2006

"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction." (Blaise Pascal, mathematician, 1670)

By now any sane human being of 21st century should realize that the religion of Islam is the main source of Islamic terrorism happening today around the world. But sadly, majority of gullible people (Muslim and non-Muslims) tend to ask questions: Does the Islam have anything to do with Terrorism? More precisely-does the Quran anyway responsible for Islamic terrorism, or Islamic suicide bombings? Some hypocritical western educated so called moderate Muslims now started to blame Hadiths (only) for Islamic terrorism/suicide bombings etc. and they are hypocritically claiming that Quran is totally innocent of this crime. These neo-islamists also claim that for all these Islamic suicide bombings and Islamic terrorism-it is the Sunnah (Ahadiths or traditions left by the Prophet Muhammad) which should be blamed, and not the Holy Quran. In this faulty or erroneous line of thinking they got their illusionary vision that, if hadiths could be dump then Islam will be very peaceful and innocent. This essay of mine has been dedicated to refute their (neo-islamists) dishonest claim about the source of Islamic terrorism.

Background story:

Islam is a cultic (brotherhood or ummatic) religion by nature. The very theme of Islam is: Allah is the sole creator of everything on heaven and Earth and Muslims are His only legitimate and righteous people. Remaining all other people (Jews, Christians, Hindus etc.) are simply infidels and hated by Allah. A Muslim is a person who gets his/her life's inspiration primarily from the Quran and secondarily from the Hadiths (the Sunna). The devout Muslims believe that life's all solutions are contained in the Holy Quran and every good Muslim does believe by his heart that the Quran is the immutable divine words of Allah, infallible-unchangeable-eternal book of Allah, and they must follow this (Quran) word by word without any question. Following this line of thinking the Muslims believe that anyone who does not agree with them is kaffir and enemy of Islam; hence enemy of Allah. A Muslim must oppose his/her enemy and kill him/her by any means whenever the opportunity arises.

Historically, Muslims in Arabia always considered their political enemies/rivals as the kaffirs (filthy, unclean, non-believers and deserves death) and always wanted to eliminate them by force. They have also considered it a blessed or holy thing to kill their enemy (kaffirs) which will please Allah and consequently they will be rewarded in this life and hereafter. If we study early Islamic history (the reigns of most Islamic caliphs) we can readily learn that there had been always bloody disputes amongst various Muslim political groups in which tens of thousands of people were slaughtered in the name of their religion. In these political disputes always one group was calling other group kaffirs or enemy of Allah. They tried to justify killing their rivals by Islamic dictums. Even today, the same patterns of religious sectarian killings are going on in Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan and many other Islamic nations and these are glaring examples of my above claims. As always, each party calls them the party of Allah and opposite party is the party of kaffirs who should be killed. In these sectarian killings Muslims always get their inspiration primarily from the Quranic dictums supported by Hadiths. They never get inspiration from anything which is not in the Quran; or they never kill anybody having being inspired only from hadiths. Because Muslims always consider Quran as the nucleus of their faith and inspiration and hadiths are used only to support Quranic dictums.

Islamic terrorists do kill people by their Islamic fanatical zeal which is the prime source of motivation in their killing spree. And these inspirations always come from Holy Quran. Now, question is: dose the Quran contain such verses which can easily inspire/incite devout Muslims to kill people with impunity? Answer is there are plenty of such inciting or inspiring Quranic verses which can turn any simple/innocent minded devout Muslims into a killing monster. In fact, Quran is replete with such horrifically inciting dictums throughout the pages of Quran. Holy Quran repeatedly promised terrestrial handsome rewards for those who can kill kaffirs (enemy of Allah and His messenger) and dreadful punishing hellfire for those who refuse to kill kaffirs. Quran also incite followers to sacrifice their lives in order to kill kaffirs in exchange of much better and lucrative after life. In this line just one Quranic verse (9:111) is most attractive to those jihadis who desperately egger to achieve heavenly rearward of 72 virgins. Here is the master piece from Holy Quran:

Quran: 9:111, Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Quran.

In addition, a strong support and explanation to the verse: 9:111 was given by Merciful Allah by the following:

Quran-4:74- Let those fight in the cause of Allah Who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fighteth in the cause of Allah,- whether he is slain or gets victory (i.e. killed or be killed) - Soon shall We give him a reward of great (value).

Quran-4:95- Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons (sacrifice both life and wealth) than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward.

Quran-3:169-: Think not of those who are slain in Allah's way as dead. Nay, they live, finding their sustenance in the presence of their Lord; (Here Allah is saying that those jihadi who dies [commit suicide] is not dead but he will be living with Allah).

Now, I do not believe that anybody can have slightest doubt that the above clear invitations (from Allah) for the ardent fanatical believers can very easily convince the blind pukka (pure) Muslims to become a time-bomb (suicidal) in order to kill infidels/kaffirs-for the cause of Allah! The above verses (9:111; 3:169; 4:74; 4:95) are clearly ordering devout Muslims "to kill and be killed"; that is, Allah is teaching Muslims to sacrifice their own lives (to commit suicide) in His cause (Allah's cause) in order to kill infidels (enemy of Allah). This single verse (9:111) very precisely justifies suicide bombing-the most lethal, most terrifying, most inhuman and most successful weapon majority Islamic terrorists are using today to kill Allah's enemies. It is the perfect example (without any ambiguity) of suicidal method Allah has prescribed for devout Muslims. In the verse above (9:111) Islamic Allah clearly saying that: He (Allah) purchased life and property of believers in exchange of lustful and unimaginable lucrative heavenly pleasures for those who will die (commit suicide) for the cause (killing kaffirs) of Allah. After this, Muslims (ardent followers of the Quran) do not need any more killing instructions for their motivation to kill kaffirs/infidels. For good reason we can sum up that the Islamic God (Allah) is the most dangerous deity having unlimited vengeful, cruel, intolerant, intimidating and war-loving blood thirsty divine entity.

But this is not all! Quran is loaded with numerous (killing) verses ordering the ardent followers to carry out endless killing of infidels/unbelievers until only Muslims remain to inhibit this Earth owned by Islamic Allah. Here are some more examples:

Quran-8:39, And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere (in this earth of Allah).

Quran-9:29, Fight those who believe neither in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth (Islam), even if they are of the People of the Book (Christians and Jews), until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

Quran-3:85, "If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good)."

Quran-9:39, Unless ye go forth, (for Jihad) He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least. [Allah's hatred to those who are reluctant to join Islamic jihad]

Quran-9:73, O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed.

Quran-8:65: "O Apostle! Rouse the believers to fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred; if a 100 , they will vanquish a 1,000 of the unbelievers.."

Quran-8:66:"-.if there are a 100 of you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish 2,00, and if a 1,000 , they will vanquish 2,000 (two thousands) with the leave of Allah-" [This fabulous verse was written in the diary of Muhammad Ata the leader of 9/11 terrorists].

Quran-4:78: "Where ye are, death will find you, even if ye are in Towers, built up strong and tall" (Perhaps Twin towers was meant here?)

Quran-2:193, And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression

Quran-2:216, Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you

Quran-5:33, The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;

Quran-4:89- "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades (change to other religions), seize them and kill them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;-" (Punishment for the apostates).

Quran-9:5, But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem.

Quran-9:28, O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque. (This verse is a glaring example how much hatreds Islam possess against non-Muslims).

Quran-8:67-"It is not fitting for an Apostle that he should have prisoners of war until He thoroughly subdued the land-." (Allah insisting Prophet to kill all the prisoners, and should not keep any surrendered prisoners alive)

Quran-8:17-It is not ye who Slew them; it is God; when thou threwest a handful of dust, it was not Thy act, but God's-.." (Allah said, the killing of surrendered soldiers were done by the wish of Allah)

Quran: 9:23: "O ye who believe! Take not for protectors your fathers and your brothers if they love Infidelity above Faith: if any of you do so, they do wrong". [Quran is asking Muslims even to go against their own father and brothers in respect of religious faith]

Quran: 3:28: "Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah"

Quran: 5:45: We ordained therein for them: "Life for life, eye for eye, nose for nose, ear for ear. Tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal." (Does this verse sound humane?)

47:4- "Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), strike off their heads; at length; then when you have made wide Slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives": thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens."

9:123: "Oh ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers and let them find harshness in you."

2:191- "Kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from wherever they drove you out."

8:12- Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them." [Allah is really most merciful]

Holy Quran, as we read, is full of heinous, inhuman, and utterly dreadful cruel verses. The main themes of Quranic or scriptural instruction are: pursuance by advice, then by intimidation/coercion, then by force (killing, fighting, maiming etc), and in return plenty of heavenly reward from Allah. We can find hundreds of cruel hateful and utterly inhuman verses throughout the Quran. The above Quranic scriptures incited early Muslim Jihadis of 7th century period to kill thousands of non-Muslims and other infidels. During the early period of Islam, especially during Islamic expeditions by Prophet Muhammad himself while he was in Medina, thousands of infidels were brutally killed (beheaded) by the Jihadis. These same Quranic verses may still inciting devout/fanatical Muslims of modern days.

Now, does it take a rocket scientist to understand the source of the fanatical will of those September 11 terrorists? Does it ring the bell from where these Islamic terrorists (all over the world) getting their inspiration and hope? Will our Islamists still say, "Islam is a religion of peace," or that "Qur'an is full of kind and compassionate advises?" Quran tells us to: "not to make friendship with Jews and Christians" (5:51), fight them "until they pay the Jizya (a penalty tax for the non-Muslims living under Islamic rules) with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued" (9:29). "kill the disbelievers wherever we find them" (2:191), "murder them and treat them harshly" (9:123), "fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem" (9:5), " kill and be killed; i.e. commit suicide to kill kaffirs "(9:111).

However, Quran a holy book which is replete with contradictions also contains rare deceptive verses like the following:

Quran-4:29-30: O ye who believe! Eat not up your property among yourselves in vanities: But let there be amongst you Traffic and trade by mutual good-will: in Nor kill (or destroy) yourselves: for verily Allah hath been to you Most Merciful! If any do that rancor and injustice,- soon shall We cast them into the Fire: And easy it is for Allah.

Quran-5:32- On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our messengers with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.

Hypocritical Islamists try to use theses (only) two verses above to make an excuse that Allah forbade suicide killing for Muslims, or killing people. Truly, these verses (4:29-30) above only talking about self-destruction (suicide) for no real purpose other than self depression or pains which sometimes human prefers to end his life in order to get relief from pains. This kind of self-killing is prohibited by any religions, society or creeds and is called self-destruction (suicide) without having any ulterior motive or purpose. But this universal suicide has nothing to do with Allah's call of "kill and be killed" (Quranic verse-9:111) with the divine purpose (to kill infidels) of serving Allah, as the verse has clearly stated. And the verse (5:32) is purely a deceptive verse used by most hypocrites of Islam to fool the Westerners. This verse was meant to describe historical aspects of Israelites and is nothing to do with the Muslims. Nor does this verse do any abrogation of the hundreds of killing verses came afterwards (while in Medina) to incite random killings (Jihad) of any un-believers by Allah's soldiers called Muslims. In short holy Quran could be named (undoubtedly) as the supreme manual of intimidation, vengeance, terror, violence, and war against non-Muslims.

Profile of the Islamic Terrorists:

Osama Bin Laden (OBL) and his al-Qaeda jihadis have frequently cited many passages from the Holy Quran to justify their flagrant acts of terrorism around the world. Suicide bombing is the most successful weapon to strike terror in the hearts of the western infidels. In his famous 'fatwa' of declared war against Americans in 1998, terrorist leader OBL has repeatedly used jihadi verses from the Quran (mentioned in this essay) to incite his followers to kill Americans/infidels primarily by the act of suicide bombing. All the 9/11 Islamic terrorists left their private notes (especially Muhammad Ata) citing Quranic killing verses and they all committed suicide to kill American infidels (Kaffirs) 100% according to the Quranic verss-9:111. Not a single time they have ever claimed or mentioned any hadiths as the inciting agent of their killing spree. Israel have had captured numerous would be suicide bombers (who's detonating did not work in their attempt of suicide bombing) with the suicide belt around them, and they all were interviewed by the western reporters in the Israeli prison cell. All most all of them told the reporters-they wanted to die to kill infidels according to the Quranic instructions to achieve heavenly pleasures with 72 virgin houris. None has ever mentioned anything about hadiths or Sharia laws as their instigator.

All the Islamic terrorists arrested by police in Europe (especially in Netherlands such as Van Gogh killing) readily cited Quran as their teacher to commit terrorism in order to kill infidels. In the train terrorism incident at Madrid (Spain) the Islamic terrorists were all longtime resident of Spain (North American and Syrian born) who admitted to police that they were "inspired by the doctrines (Koran) of Islam" to rise up against their adopted host country to kill 191 Spanish innocent citizen.

Recently, in Bangladesh (a newly infested nation by Islamic jihadis) has experienced an epidemic of bomb blasts by Islamic terrorists of Bangladeshi variety including scores of suicide bombings to kill judges in the various court premises. In such process of suicide bombing attempts, two have been captured by the police. When asked by the reporters why they were going to kill people by suicide method, they have answered: "We were doing it by the order of Quranic instructions by Allah". When Bangladesh terrorist leader Maulana Shaikh Rahman and Bangla Bhai have been captured by the police, Maulana Shaikh Rahman said: "We have done it to establish Allah's laws in Bangladesh and we were doing it according to the Quran." Showing one copy of Quran in his hand, he (Maulana) said: "If I am a terrorist, then Quran also a terrorist". What could be the more clear evidence that Islamic terrorists are directly getting incitement and encouragement from the holy Quran?

More recently, the 20th hijacker of 9/11 terrorism Zacaria Moussaoui proudly declared in the court: "I wish I could kill more Americans, because my religion Islam (which is of course Quran) demands that I kill infidels." Zacaria Moussaoui or any other Islamic terrorists never told that they have been incited by the teaching of ahadiths or Sharia laws alone. In fact, all most all Sharia laws are rooted to the Quran and supported by hadiths.

Point to ponder that life is invaluable and extremely precious to every human (Rich, poor, young, old, sick or even handicapped) and no one wants to die in vain without any real purpose or gains. Only a superior/divine lustful hopes and inspiration due to brainwashing can trigger somebody to take his/her life. Islamic terrorists are definitely inspired by such lustful afterlife. Palestinian young boys and girls of 12-16 do not die just for revenge or to free their motherland. They definitely have the vision of Islamic heavenly pleasures (due to brainwashing) which inspire them to wear a deadly suicide belt around their young and tender bodies. Quran is readily available almost in every house of Muslims in general, but books of Hadiths are very rarely available to the ordinary Muslims. General Muslims do not get motivation from the Hadiths, because they do not get chance to read hadiths. Besides, Muslims do not take hadith as seriously as Quranic dictums, and to do something as serious as killing innocent people in exchange (suicide) of own life Muslims surely need Quranic instructions; and for that reason Quran has plenty of it.

Are all the suicide bombings same?

Islamic apologists often argue that suicide bombings for the cause of freedom fighting committed not only by the Muslims, but by many other nations (Tamil, Jews, and Japanese Kamakazies) committed suicide bombings for their own freedom struggle. According to them, Muslims are committing suicide today for their freedom struggle. Therefore, suicide bombings by Muslim youths have nothing to do with Islam! Most prudent question can be asked here: Are all those past suicide bombings same as Islamic suicide bombings today? Are their pattern same? Let us examine:

Those so called Tamil Tiger, Jews or Japanese Kamakazis may have used technique of suicide bombings very rarely as their desperate quest only to free their own motherland, and their suicide acts were absolutely limited to their own land targeting soldiers, leaders and not innocent civilians. Tamil, Jews, Kamakazies or IRA never blasted bombs in other countries outside their own geographic boundary; they only primarily did blast bombs within their own border. Rarely, isolated single bomb in the vicinity of their border, such as Tamil's killing Razib Ghandi for his support of Sri Lankan Government. But they never ever came to America, Britain, Spain, Indonesia, Tanzania, Uganda, Yemen, Saudi Arabia etc. to blast suicide bombs inside restaurants, bus, train, metro, ocean beaches, tourist resorts etc. None of those above did suicide bombings throughout the whole world globally like those Islamists vigorously doing it today. How many Tamil blasted suicide bomb in Europe or America? Was there any global jihadi phenomenon of suicide bombings by Tamil Tigers like those Islamists?

Islamists also now telling us that those Muslim youths blasting their jihadi suicide bombs only to take revenge for Iraq war. As if, before Iraq war Islamic jihadis were very gentle and were sitting idle. May I ask why those Islamic jihadis were blasting bombs relentlessly at US military camps in Saudi Arabia , American Embassies in Tanzania , Uganda , Pakistan , Nairobi and elsewhere, much before Iraq war? Why they killed more than 3000 innocent civilians in WTC? Why they bombed US ship at Yemen? Why they bombed US barrack at Beirut? Was their Iraq war then?

Conclusion

Quite obviously, the cause of Islamic fanaticism, zealotry and suicide terrorism is rooted in the Holy Quran (9:111; 3:169; 4:74; 4:95). Terrorists like Osama bin Laden and others are the victims of Quranic scriptural immoral teachings. They believe Quran by their hearts and try to follow the Quran in Toto! But the general born Muslims do not follow Quran at all, and that is why they believe in their own peaceful illusionary vision of Islam, which never existed in the history of Islam.

However, the zeal of Islamic fanaticism could have energized by the Middle East Political situation of Palestine and Israel. But this has also much to do with their inherent hatred towards Jews and other non-Muslims which they have acquired primarily from the teachings of Quran and some supports from hadiths in the Madrassas in their early lives.

Osama bin Laden is the true Muslim who follows Quran and hadiths in 'Toto' and this hero of Muslim interprets Quranic verses and hadiths as per the needs of Islamic Umma, and of course, as per the real spirit of medieval Islam. In fact, gullible Muslims consider OBL as the mirror image of Prophet Muhammad and many things about him (OBL) are 100% compatible with the life and deeds of Islamic prophet Muhammad. That is why true Muslims (Maulanas, Mullahs, Madrassa students [Talibans], all leaders of Islamic political parties) of Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indonesia, and other Muslim countries are supporting Osama and his host, Talibans of Afghanistan. It's totally irrelevant and useless to claim that Osama, al-Qaeda terrorists and Talibans are not true Muslims, or they are Muslims by their distorted views of Islam! Actually, they are the real Muslims, and they are the Muslims by the book. All others so called progressive Muslims (living in the western comfort) are simply Muslims by virtue of their birth in a Muslim family.

Time has arrived now to identify and intervening the real cause of this ancient medieval stupidity. Real problem is with the ancient Bedouin teachings of Islam (read Quran) which are outdated and no longer fitting the today's civilized world. Islamic terrorism is the giant problem of entire mankind today and fanatic Muslims are the zombies at the hands of immoral Quranic teachings. How can one cure a body by keeping the cancerous lesion inside the body? Nothing can change this precarious situation of Muslims unless we realize the real problem (read Quran) and take care of it. Finally, let me close this essay by a famous quotation.

"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."-- by Nobel Laureate physicist Steven Weinberg:

Literatures:

1. The Holy Qur'an, Translated by A. Yousuf Ali, Published by Amana Corporation, Brentwood, Maryland, 1983

2. Holy Qur'an, Translated in Bengali by Ahmadiya Muslim Centenary Publication of Bangladesh, 4 Bakshi Bazar road, Dhaka, 1992

3. Holy Qur'an, Bengali translation by Maulana Muhiuddin khan, Khademu Harmain Sharifain, Saudi Arabia, Madina Mannwara, 1413 Hijri.

Syed Kamran Mirza can be contacted at mirza.syed@gmail.com

Forced conversion is not confined to Islam. Ask yourself how the USA came to have a Christian majority: was it because huge numbers of people individually decided to convert from some unspecified pagan belief or from atheism? Of course not - it's because Christianity has provided the norms of morality and dogma in the USA since it was colonised and populated by Europeans. And how did those Europeans become Christian? Again, it was the norm, people tend to follow the practices they were brought up to respect, and those values and beliefs tended to be backed up and reflected in the institutions of society and the state.

So how did Europe come to be dominated by Christianity? I'll tell you this for nothing: it wasn't by means of mass voluntary conversions!

The Emperor Constantine proclaimed Christianity the favoured religion in the Roman empire, and Christians were promoted to most influential positions. In the Eastern Empire, Christianity was adopted and, when necessary, imposed as the state religion. In the West, the Dark Ages led to widespread paganism and animism as there was little social or state framework to sustain an organised orthodoxy. The revival of Christianty in the West was led by the Irish monks who had no background in the formal structures and society of the Roman empire. With the revival of centralised powers, an orthodox Christianity was imposed very much from above, by bishops and princes, both of whom were happy to persuade dissidents with the point of their sword. Heresy was a crime, not just a sin, for most of the last thousand years. And this was not just the position in Roman Catholic countries - look at Calvin's Geneva or the treatment of non-Anglicans in England before the early 19th century.

To summarise: where religion is allied to power, it always imposes and enforces its beliefs, either through the inconvenience or unimaginability of not conforming, or by simply barbecuing the heretics. The same pattern can be seen throughout the world and throughout history.

Our War on Terror:

An update-

1. Saddam, his sons and major henchmen have been deleted. Saddam's bravado about WMD was one of his major mistakes.

2. Iran is being been contained. (besides fighting the civil war in Bahgdad, that is the main reason we are in Iraq. And yes, essential oil continues to flow from the region.

3. Libya has become almost civil.

4. North Korea is still uncivil but is contained.

5. Northern Ireland is finally at peace.

6. The Jews and Palestinians are being separated by walls. Hopefully the walls will follow the 1948 UN accords.

7. Bin Laden has been cornered under a rock in Western Pakistan since 9/11.

8. Fanatical Islam has basically been contained to the Middle East but a wall between India and Pakistan would be a plus for world peace. Ditto for a wall between Afghahistan and Pakistan.

9.Timothy McVeigh was executed. Terry Nichols will follow soon.

10. Eric Rudolph is spending three life terms in prison with no parole.

11. Jim Jones, David Koresh, Kaczynski, the "nuns" from Rwanda, and the KKK were all dealt with and either eliminated themselves or were punished.

12. Darfur and Somalia are still terror hot spots.

Ibrahim Mahfouz,what a nice Muslim name?Do u wrok for AIPAC?

Anonymous:U say "Ebo's ancestors were forced to convert to Islam?" So you ancestors must have been hiding from the invading Muslims-or were you busy worshping your cows and snakes??Really?

Look:ask the 200 million Indonesian about how they converted-then ask the the whole of south America how it converted. And don't forget to ask 600 million Muslims in PAkistan,India and Bengaldish-how did they convert?And who built Taj Mahal too??

Ibrahim Mahfouz,what a nice Muslim name?Do u wrok for AIPAC?

Anonymous:U say "Ebo's ancestors were forced to convert to Islam?" So you ancestors must have been hiding from the invading Muslims-or were you busy worshping your cows and snakes??Really?

Look:ask the 200 million Indonesian about how they converted-then ask the the whole of south America how it converted. And don't forget to ask 600 million Muslims in PAkistan,India and Bengaldish-how did they convert?And how built Taj Mahal too??

nice post arif-

have you heard the claims that african slaves in america were muslims? what blatant lies. anyone familiar with santeria and voudoun know this is the african spirit worship finding its way mixing with xtianity.

how can such lies be taught to children? no affinity for the truth? no pride in their true history?

http://www.alhamraacademy.org/multimedia/MuslimHistory_files/frame.htm

Eboo.

Nice article.

I think people are missing the point of the article. By stereotyping and working out of fear we set ourselves up for failure.

If our purpose is to raise up mankind and allow each other the freedom to explore ourselves and attempt to answer the complex questions of; who am I, where did we come from, how do I want to define myself then we can not operate from fear and prejudice.

I believe the reason we see some threats coming from some countries is not that they are dominated Islam, but because the people are not free to explore or to think for themselves.

Controlling the thought and actions of people allows a few to perpetuate their misguided ideas on how life should be. They become free to do what ever they want and to use the resources of their people for themselves. Given the chance be free and think for yourself, define yourself and express yourself allows the best in the true human spirit to shine.

Freedom is the true nature of the human spirit and when we act from fear and prejudice we close down the very thing we are trying to promote and we run the risk of becoming the very thing we are against.

Recognize and correct the flaws in the founders and foundations of the major contemporary religions and there will be no Jerry Farwells or Mahmoud Ahmadinejads.

Here are the flaws in synopsis form. Get to work!!!! Give or send a copy to your rabbi, priest, cleric or imam and see them turn green and dust your heals as you slam the door on centuries of superstitions and lies.

1. Abraham founder/father of three major religions was probably a mythical character. If he was real, he was at best a combination of at least three men. 1.5 million Conservative Jews and their rabbis have relegated Abraham to the myth pile along with most if not all the OT. ***http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/ConservativeTorah.htm

2. Jesus, the illiterate Jewish peasant/carpenter possibly suffering from hallucinations, has been characterized anywhere from the Messiah from Nazareth to a mythical character from mythical Nazareth to a mamzer from Nazareth (Professor Bruce Chilton, in his book Rabbi Jesus. Analyses of Jesus’ life by many contemporary NT scholars (e.g. Professors Crossan, Borg and Fredriksen, On Faith panelists) via the NT and related documents have concluded that only about 30% of Jesus' sayings and ways noted in the NT were authentic. The rest being embellishments (e.g. miracles)/hallucinations made/had by the NT authors to impress various Christian, Jewish and Pagan sects.

The 30% of the NT that is "authentic Jesus" like everything in life was borrowed/plagiarized and/or improved from those who came before. In Jesus' case, it was the ways and sayings of the Babylonians, Greeks, Persians, Egyptians, Hittites, Canaanites, OT, John the Baptizer and possibly the ways and sayings of traveling Greek Cynics.
***http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/theories.html

3. Mohammed, an illiterate, womanizing, warmongering, hallucinating Arab, also had embellishing/hallucinating/plagiarizing scribal biographers who not only added "angels" and flying chariots to the koran but also a militaristic agenda to support the plundering and looting of the lands of non-believers.

This agenda continues as shown by the conduct of the seven Muslim doctors in the UK, the 9/11 terrorists, the 24/7 Sunni suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the 24/7 Shiite suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the Islamic train bombers in the UK and Spain, the Bali crazies, the Kenya crazies, the Pakistani koranics, the Palestine suicide bombers/rocketeers, the Lebanese nutcases, the Taliban nut jobs, and the Filipino koranics.

And who funds these acts of terror? The Islamic Shiite terror theocracy of Iran aka the Third Axis of Evil and also the Sunni "Wannabees" of Saudi Arabia.

4. Luther, Calvin, Smith, Henry VIII, Wesley et al, founders of Christian-based religions, also suffered from the belief in/hallucinations of "pretty wingy talking flying fictional thingie" visits and "prophecies" for profits analogous to the myths/lies of Catholicism (resurrections, apparitions, ascensions and immaculate conceptions).

5. Hinduism (from an online Hindu site) - "Hinduism cannot be described as an organized religion. It is not founded by any individual. Hinduism is God centered and therefore one can call Hinduism as founded by God, because the answer to the question ‘Who is behind the eternal principles and who makes them work?’ will have to be ‘Cosmic power, Divine power, God’".

The caste/laborer system and cow worship are problems when saying a fair and rational God founded Hinduism."

6. Buddhism- "Buddhism began in India about 500 years before the birth of Christ. The people living at that time had become disillusioned with certain beliefs of Hinduism including the caste system, which had grown extremely complex. The number of outcasts (those who did not belong to any particular caste) was continuing to grow."

"However, in Buddhism, like so many other religions, fanciful stories arose concerning events in the life of the founder, Siddhartha Gautama (fifth century B.C.):"

Archaeological discoveries have proved, beyond a doubt, his historical character, but apart from the legends we know very little about the circumstances of his life.

Garak,
The place I come from many people including my relatives new born are named, Osama, Laaden, Ayamn...and I don't come from a small town.

Who's we? Just wait and see because people are fed up with your Zio-facist crap. Who appointed me to speak for the West? Freedom of speech needs no appointment, that’s why it’s free. This space is provided for FREE speech. AEI is free to speak just as Rush Limbaugh is and so am I. Did you not know that I am the official voice of the West and now for Zion?

I am very aware of the 20,000 + sympathizers of Iran, but am more aware of the many more Mullahs of Iran who hate anything non-Muslim.

Jews and Christians don't kill for their gods, they kill for themselves. Muslims on the other hand kill entirely for Mohammed and Allah.
BTW- I am black myself and more black than you, I have noticed Eboos black comments creep up in many of his rants because it serves his Muslim equality rubbish.

Until then please keep thinking Zion’s Jews are after you. Easy to blame your problems upon Jews, it’s much harder to get off your behind and fix your own problems yourself. Muslims spend most of their time blaming the Crusaders, Jews, Americans, CIA, George Bush Jr/Sr… than fix what is wrong with them; their hate manual the Koran.

I am a pagan with a very Muslim background, I don't believe in gods who write rubbish fairy-tale books and send "prophets". Above all else I simply don’t subscribe to a “Last Prophet” concept.

Ebo,
I agree with you all the way,but three points:
1)) Who are promoting this racist madenss and hate campaigns against American Mslims:David "Horror-witz",Daniel Pipes,Norman Podhoretz-the AIPAC Pack.

2)) What happpens if US Muslims zealously promote "JudoFacism" and substantiate it with israeli apartheid policies and ethnic cleanising of 70%(now seven million palestinians)of the indigenous population of Palestine in 1947 by jewish terrorist gangs such as Hgana,Stern,Irgun and Palmach? And imposing brutal military occupation of the remaining 30% (over three million)of Palestinians who live in israeli concentration camps in Gaza and West bank??

"Islamofacism" is more evil than and is replacing Anti-Semitism.

3)) Those AIPAC Pack are after two objectives: to distract from israel's attrocities and promote hate of Muslims and conflict with the west-the idiotic zero sum theory-where any harm to Muslims including American Muslims is a net gain to israel and jews.But the American people are smart and they smell the nasty racist game.

What's interesting is that Atheists are actually America's most distrusted minority (and not Muslims). Check out the following link:

http://www.ur.umn.edu/FMPro?-db=releases&-lay=web&-format=umnnewsreleases/releasesdetail.html&ID=2816&-Find

There are a lot of strange religions with bizzare rituals and dress codes. I use the terms "strange" and "bizzare" not in a derogatory sense, but as something not familiar to people outside that religion. But, no religion threatens to kill and maim as much as so many in Islam seem to do. You only need to look at examples of Salman Rushdie, Theo Van Gogh, the cartoonists in Amsterdam, Taslima Nasrin and anyone else who dares to offend or criticize Islam.
There is real fear of Islam. And, someone fears something, they will try to defend themselves. You don't see people being afraid of Buddhist monks. So, if Muslims practiced more of what they preached when being watched by eveyone, things would be different. Just read BBC articles on how Islam is enforced in the NWFP of Pakistan. Is this something you want br associated with or defending?

One more example of the media bias to cover and protect Muslims. How can Muslims say they are not treated with respect and the media is biased against them? There is practically a cover-up going on. And Muslims wonder why so many Americans are watching their every move?

ARAB STUDENT DENIED BAIL

"Details of Youssef Megahed's connection to guns, explosives, ammunition and an all-night drive to an "unstated and indeterminate destination" were among the reasons a federal judge denied him bail Thursday.

Megahed is awaiting trial on a charge of illegally transporting explosive materials.

U.S. District Judge Steven D. Merryday said in a written ruling that Megahed presents "both a risk of flight and a danger to the community." Therefore, the judge said, he was unwilling to rely upon restrictions such as electronic monitoring, curfews and other limits and grant bail.

Adam Allen, the assistant federal public defender representing Megahed, 21, said he plans to review all options on the judge's order, including the possibility of an appeal.

Merryday's decision reverses a ruling by Magistrate Judge Elizabeth Jenkins, who ordered that Megahed could be released on $200,000 bail, with conditions. Prosecutors appealed her ruling.

In a 25-page order, Merryday supported his decision by saying that Megahed is young and has no local investments, no established local career and no other compelling attachments to the bay area. But his family has extensive ties to their homeland of Egypt, the judge said. That increases the likelihood that Megahed would flee the country, Merryday wrote.

The judge also said he took into account the actions of Megahed alleged by prosecutors.

They said Megahed and Ahmed Mohamed, 26, had what experts described as materials for low-grade explosives in his trunk on an Aug. 4 trip to South Carolina and a box of .22-caliber bullets in his car. He stopped at an Ocala Wal-Mart around 4 a.m. and jotted down the prices of several rifles, then hours later stopped at another Wal-Mart in Jacksonville to buy a cleaning kit for a .30-caliber rifle, prosecutors said.

A sheriff's deputy stopped Megahed and Mohamed near a naval base in Goose Creek, S.C., for speeding, then searched their car when he became suspicious.

"I cannot dismiss the real prospect of additional erratic, unreasonable and dangerous behavior from Megahed, and I am unwilling to subject the community to the prospect, at least until further inquiry - and if necessary, a jury - places a definitive interpretation on these troubling events," Merryday said.

If convicted, Megahed could get up to two years in prison, followed by possible deportation, prosecutors said.

Megahed and Mohamed have pleaded not guilty to the explosive charge. Mohamed has also pleaded not guilty to a charge of demonstrating how to make an explosive. He did not ask for bail.

Both men have been suspended from the University of South Florida, where they are students. Merryday has scheduled a trial to begin as early as Dec. 3."

http://www.sptimes.com/2007/10/26/Hillsborough/Arab_student_denied_b.shtml

Yes you are correct - haters are taking advantage of the muslim's general aversion to criticizing other muslims for any reason out of fear that they will only further stoke muslim prejudices.

The answer, however, is easy and obvious to any non-muslim:

Every muslim should loudly, publicly, and DAILY condemn terrorism unequivically, and at every opportunity. ESPECIALLY IN THE MOSQUE AND ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY HEAR A MUSLIM VOICE SUPPORT FOR VIOLENCE FOR ANY PURPOSE.

Once non muslim Americans hear that they will tell the haters to go away. This is what we did with the neo nazis, it is what we did to the southern white haters of blacks, and is what the muslim community needs to do. SEPARATE YOURSELF VOCIFEROUSLY AND IN TANGIBLE WAYS FROM THOSE WHO VOICE INTOLERANCE FOR THE WEST AND THE AMERICAN PUBLIC WILL EMBRACE YOU!

I get the impression that Islamic fundamentalism is not going away any time soon.
And because passive Muslims ignore the carnage done in their name,and demand respect regardless,I believe it will continue,and end god knows where.
Sam Harris rightly blames mainstream religions for enabling fundamentalism by providing cover and fodder by making belief in a supernatural world respectable,even virtuous,when we should be much more critical of magic ideas,and should be teaching children all about reality,and the real world.
We should tell them quite honestly,that as far as we know there is no God,and this world is the only one we know of for sure;until somebody shows us otherwise.
And we have to start teaching them that death is death. No Paradise,no Afterlife,and no celestial virgins. So do all you can to stay alive.If you blow yourself up it's over.

T: Here's link to Muslim denunciations of terror:

http://www.juancole.com/2005/07/friedman-wrong-about-muslims-again-and.html

Arif: How about the Jews and Christians who need to explain the Biblical prophets who preached genocide of non-Jews (remember the Canaanites and Philistines, and what happened to them when the Jews arrived on the scene?). Have the Christians renounced the genocidal Old Testament? Actually, they almost did, but decided to keep it. It's part of the Christian canon, genocides and all. Have the Christians explained how the followers of Jesus slaughtered more people than Mohammed could ever dream of? As for "the growing consensus that Islam’s roots are violent," just whose consensus? The Zio-fascist consensus by the same people who lied through their teeth that Saddam had WMD, links to al Qaeda, and was behind 9/11? Sorry, but there ain't no such consensus, except in the depths of neocon, Zio-fascist delusions out if AEI, AIPAC, and the rest of The Israel Lobby and its allies.

"We feel the Muslim terrorists of 911 and the millions of Muslims who celebrated the event were simply being Muslims." We? Who's we? You don't speak for me. Not in the least. The West? Who appointed you to speak for the West? AEI? Rush Limbaugh?

As for the truth of your statement, show us the facts. In Iran, 20,000+ people spontaneously marched on 9/12 to show sympathy for us. And W, of course, spit in their faces with his "Axis of Evil" speech. Brilliant!

Fraud Exposer: Sorry, but his analogy is correct. He's addressing stereotypes an prejudice, which is not limited to matters of ideology. Ask any black ticketed for DWB. You might consider actually thinking about what you read--if you can. As for examining issues in free societies, tell that to the victims of the Israel Lobby. Like Dr. Norman Finkelstein, who got denied tenure for 'disin Israel.

Campbellite: Your point is well taken. The point about islam I have an objection to (other than blowing up buildings, of course) is its intolerability, which can lead so-called sane and successful people (by current societal standards, for example, doctors involved in London bombings) to do insane things. No one is saying all muslims are terrorists (at least I am not). This is not a statement about muslims, but about the intolerability of islam. Living in a pluralistic society takes certain adjustments. Of course, one can never "fault" an islamic nation for being pluralistic. As a non-muslim, try public prayers in Iran or Saudi Arabia. Or better, try getting into Mecca or Medina! Now I am digressing. What I am trying to say is that, demanding the whole world to conform to "my" beliefs is silly at best, radical and fundamentalist, at worst. If I do not like some aspect of some religion, I have the right to say so (within limits again). But having done that does not mean I should have to spend the rest of my life in cognito or under heavy security. As a small example, some newspaper in some country invites and publishes cartoons about the prophet of a religion (to which, incidentally, half the world does not subscribe to). But lunatic fanatic followers of this religion hold the world to ransom, loot and burn property, kill people, expect all the responsible citizens of the world to apologize and express their faith in the prophet. Is that the sign of a tolerant religion capable to peaceful co-existence in modern pluralistic society? If not, who is responsible for this intolerance?

Thank you, Jamie. Those are indeed the ones we should worry about. I like to use the term "Islamicist" as opposed to Muslim for those wackos. Islamicists blow themselves up and fly airplanes, Muslims pray for peace. Chrisianists blow up medical clinics, Christians feed the poor.

For too long, moderates of the world have let the extremists define the entire group. That's got to stop, and it *will* stop when moderates begin to speak out. That's why I'm here.

Hey - with all due respect, and I'm not an organizer of the IslamoFascism Awareness Week - this is not at all what that time is about. Everything that I've read from them clearly delineates that this is not about the great majority of Muslims in the world, and that most Muslims are indeed peaceful people. I've got amazing Muslim friends - and I'm a Christian and I absolutely abhor what Orthodox Christian Serbs did to Muslims in Kosovo in the name of Jesus Christ. But mark this - there's a serious undercurrent in Islam that has nothing to do with poverty and oppression and everything to do with wiping Jews and "polytheists" (Christians - because they believe in a God who is a trinity) off the map. We've heard the quotes and seen the videos - and it's pretty hard to say that someone's taking footage of tens of thousands of angry people shouting "Death to Israel" out of context. There is hate being forged in little kids and they are being trained to hate and kill - there can be no arguing about this - and little ones are being deceived into thinking it pleases God. It does not. Personally, I'm glad that the awareness week is happening - WAKE UP AMERICA, there are many who fantasize of your destruction.

"Bigotry is the sacred disease"
---Heraclitus (544-483 BC)

http://pacetua.blogspot.com/2005/12/faith-and-bigotry.html

What country do they live in? The one that has been repeatedly attacked since the Iranian Hostage Crisis of 1979 by fanatical muslims. Perhaps if non-radical muslims would keep that point in mind--instead of constantly trying to portray themselves as the victims of unreasonable islamophobia--there would be less support for the groups you decry.

What country do they live one? The one that has been repeatedly attacked since the Iranian Hostage Crisis of 1979 by fanatical muslims. Perhaps if non-radical muslims would keep that point in mind--instead of constantly trying to portray themselves as the victims of unreasonable islamophobia--there would be less support for the groups you decry.

"I wonder what country they live in?” the answer, America.
We cannot be selective about what to censor , everything must be discussed including where does Islamic violence stem from?

In Western culture making fun of religion is the norm, just ask the Christians.

Muslim immigrants to the West must get used to the fact that Islam will be criticized scrutinized and ridiculed. People will find fault with Mohammed his wives, his wars, his looting and slave trading among other things. This is not going to go away in fact it’s going to get even worse.

American Muslims should be proud of being the pioneers of facing Islamic critics instead they are going about it the wrong way. Censorship will never happen because it is the core of the ever evolving Western culture.

Muslim writers must challenge the growing consensus that Islam’s roots are violent. You ought to tell us why Mohammed raided caravans and why he fought wars to spread his message. You ought to tell us why we correlate his raids and his tactic of silencing critics to what Muslims do today. We feel there is a correlation; Muslims want us to just go away.

We feel the Muslim terrorists of 911 and the millions of Muslims who celebrated the event were simply being Muslims. You on the other hand won't own up to your failed Islamic raid. One Islamic camp refuses to call them Muslims, the other camp blames it on the CIA and Bush, another call it an elaborate Jewish plan. There are Muslims who don't even believe that a plane flew into the Pentagon! All this is a far cry from the man with the baggy pants or the woman with lipstick or the black man wanting to rob me. Why black people analogies?

Trimon, I am not a fundamentalist. Far from it.

Aya asked, "Why is it that terrorist acts are almot always committed by Muslims," and I provided supporting incidents to show that they are not.

My intent is not to speak fondly of those who fly airplanes into buildings, but to prevent ALL Muslims from being painted as terrorists. Just like some Christians will bomb abortion clinics and others (the Amish) will financially support the widow of the man who murdered their children. The Muslim community in Seattle spent their Ramadan giving charity to the poor in the larger community. These people are good and kind, and are not terrorists or haters or desiring to convert me at the point of a sword.

Just trying to be objective, that's all. Are you?

Campbellite:

What the %^#$...

You make it sound like it is just a matter of semantics. But honestly, islam is the only "religion" (or maybe cult would be a better term) in the world that explicitly asks for forced conversions to which killing is the only other option.

And talking against this barbaric cult is "punishable" by death (ask Theo Van Gogh's next of kin)!!

So Campbellite, buddy, do the world a favor, stop reading your fundamentalist religious book and adopt a different religion (or no religion if that suits you).

You are an idiot! Eboo Patel is not Hindu, he is a muslim. Eboo = Ebrahim!! Get it?

"Why is it that terrorist acts are almost always committed by Muslims? "

They're not. Ever heard of Timothy McVeigh? Eric Robert Rudolph? Ted Kazinski? David Koresh? The Anthrax mailer? Darfur? Rwanda? Phnom Pen? The Tamil Tigers? Ihe Irish Republican Army? Basque Separatists? It's just that in the U.S. we usually call our nutjobs "mass murders", and other nations' nutjobs "terrorists." It's a matter of nomenclature, not the actions of the criminal. Start reading news from outside the United States and you'll see a much broader picture.

"When was the last time we saw a Buddhist terrorist? Or a Hindu terrorist? "

Again, the Tamil Tigers, Cambodia, Laotia, oh, pretty much all of Southeast Asia has been ravaged by terrorism in the 20th ceutnry. And remember the Sarin Subway Attacks in Tokyo, perpetrated by members of Aum Shinrikyo on March 20, 1995? Their cult was a Buddhist/Hindu based religion. Oh, and don't forget the Jonestown massacre - it was mass suicide, but that's pretty horrific too.

"Do we see Mormons constantly bombing public locations to advance their agenda? "

You see Fundamentalist Latter-Day-Saints raping children as a matter of course. Is that bad enough for you?

"How many airplane hijackings, suicide bombings, and journalist kidnappings have been committed by non-muslims? "

You've picked the Islamicist terrorists favorite methods to use as the definition of terrrorist. Widen your scope a little and you'll see that evil is not limited to one race, color, or creed.

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What's my point? There are whack-jobs all over the world. We've been labelling Muslim whack-jobs "terrorists" since the 1970's or so. By labeling and "defining" one group as evil, it dehumanizes them, and makes it easier for us to kill them and steal their oil.

"Why is it that terrorist acts are almost always committed by Muslims? "

They're not. Ever heard of Timothy McVeigh? Eric Robert Rudolph? Ted Kazinski? David Koresh? The Anthrax mailer? Darfur? Rwanda? Phnom Pen? The Tamil Tigers? Ihe Irish Republican Army? Basque Separatists? It's just that in the U.S. we usually call our nutjobs "mass murders", and other nations' nutjobs "terrorists." It's a matter of nomenclature, not the actions of the criminal. Start reading news from outside the United States and you'll see a much broader picture.

"When was the last time we saw a Buddhist terrorist? Or a Hindu terrorist? "

Again, the Tamil Tigers, Cambodia, Laotia, oh, pretty much all of Southeast Asia has been ravaged by terrorism in the 20th ceutnry. And remember the Sarin Subway Attacks in Tokyo, perpetrated by members of Aum Shinrikyo on March 20, 1995? Their cult was a Buddhist/Hindu based religion. Oh, and don't forget the Jonestown massacre - it was mass suicide, but that's pretty horrific too.

"Do we see Mormons constantly bombing public locations to advance their agenda? "

You see Fundamentalist Latter-Day-Saints raping children as a "religious duty." Is that bad enough for you?

"How many airplane hijackings, suicide bombings, and journalist kidnappings have been committed by non-muslims? "

You've picked the Islamicist terrorists favorite methods to use as the definition of terrrorist. Widen your scope a little and you'll see that evil is not limited to one race, color, or creed.

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What's my point? There are whack-jobs all over the world. We've been labelling Muslim whack-jobs "terrorists" since the 1970's or so. By labeling and defining one group as evil, it dehumanizes them, and makes it easier for us to kill them and steal their oil.

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Thank you for a terrific essay, Mr. Patel. My America contains everyone who works for freedom.

Reading blogs about terrorists and IslamoFascist Awareness Week, it’s amazing to me that the decriers of this movement either deliberately or mistakenly have missed the point. No one who is rational thinking hates all Muslims, believes all Muslims are terrorists, or that Christianity is a better r truer religion than Islam. Nowhere did I find that ideology in the articles written by those members of this movement and their contributing authors. What I did find was a reporting of the conditions in third world countries, either in first person or through interviews of people who have escaped into the Western world.

The other thing I found reading these articles is an indictment of ‘political correctness’ as being the birth mother of the growing cowardice underlying the American psyche, especially in the political and academic worlds. The academic outcry against Lee Bollinger’s introduction of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is the most recent news-making example, but ‘political correctness’ has been an ongoing division among academia in general, with a clear divide that is across the board and not just in faith-related ideologies. Instead of having the courage of one’s convictions, our nation is now at a point where one becomes convicted (legally and literally) if standing firm in one’s beliefs, which may or may not be based on one’s religious beliefs or lack thereof. And that is the danger here, that ‘belief’ has come to be interpreted as being synonymous with religious belief and religious affiliations.

Where is the true ‘freedom of speech’ that meant if people are doing bad things, you tell them that’s what they’re doing? Geo. W. Bush used that very demeanor when 911 occurred and it won the day for him. However, he didn’t follow through on the spirit of those words. Rather, he has contributed to the quagmire of ‘political correctness’ by using disinformation and outright threats of dire punishment and unlawful actions against people who question his authority, instead of using his office ‘to find and punish those people guilty of terrorism against this country and the world’ (like Osama bin Laden, for one).

To report that terrorists are running amok in their own countries, against their own people, with the psychological encouragement and financial support from their religious leaders, is not a call to hate all Muslims nor is it intolerance of Islam. It is a call to be prepared to face the world with an accurate and clear-eyed judgment of the realities of life in these countries and to denounce and stand against this type of inhuman treatment, regardless of how many clerics, politicians, or ‘followers’ claim belief in whatever religious context. It is a call to remove the rose-colored glasses of the liberals, pull out of the sand the heads of the conservatives, and prevent our own religious leaders from commandeering our country. It is a call to right-thinking (not meaning the political right wing) for those Americans who are the real moral majority and who do not have the need to espouse any ideology other than their own common sense and decency. What’s at stake here is the education of our children in these realities and some people, in a mistaken sense of protecting them, are actually doing a disservice to their future by not only turning their own blind eye to these realities, but trying to keep our children from being prepared to face this world’s challenges and developing the ability to make tough choices and being able to live with those choices. We are each of us only special if we live rightly.

The whole point of separation of church and state in this country was to prevent the same type of religious kidnapping of leadership overseas from happening here and every century since our forefathers wrote our constitution, the religious sector has tried to overtake our governance (rather insidiously at times, I might add). With all the corruption and hypocrisy in the religious sector, they would do better to join the secular world outright, rather than claiming that all they do is for the ‘glory of God’. This much, at the least, they have in common with the ayatollahs and the terrorists. Having faith or being faithful requires more than belonging to one particular ideology and giving it lipservice. One can be ‘faithful’ without belonging to any religious sect. It is precisely because of religious sectarianism that the world is facing the most divisive era since the Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition. Is everyone ready to revert to the Dark Ages for the sake of ‘political correctness’, (which is nothing more than a euphemism for moral cowardice)? Let’s hope not. Our future depends on being able to realize and overcome the very real world of terror that hides behind a façade of multi-culturalism, seemingly to promote fairness and equality, all the while creating a divisive hatred that is self-annihilating to humankind.

Here’s a bible quote that not one of our religious leadership is pushing these days, “By their actions shall ye know them.”

Reading blogs about terrorists and IslamoFascist Awareness Week, it’s amazing to me that the decriers of this movement either deliberately or mistakenly have missed the point. No one who is rational thinking hates all Muslims, believes all Muslims are terrorists, or that Christianity is a better or truer religion than Islam. Nowhere did I find that ideology in the articles written by those members of this movement and their contributing authors. What I did find was a reporting of the conditions in third world countries, either in first person or through interviews of people who have escaped into the Western world.

The other thing I found reading these articles is an indictment of ‘political correctness’ as being the birth mother of the growing cowardice underlying the American psyche, especially in the political and academic worlds. The academic outcry against Lee Bollinger’s introduction of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is the most recent news-making example, but ‘political correctness’ has been an ongoing division among academia in general, with a clear divide that is across the board and not just in faith-related ideologies. Instead of having the courage of one’s convictions, our nation is now at a point where one becomes convicted (legally and literally) if standing firm in one’s beliefs, which may or may not be based on one’s religious beliefs or lack thereof. And that is the danger here, that ‘belief’ has come to be interpreted as being synonymous with religious belief and religious affiliations.

Where is the true ‘freedom of speech’ that meant if people are doing bad things, you tell them that’s what they’re doing? Geo. W. Bush used that very demeanor when 911 occurred and it won the day for him. However, he didn’t follow through on the spirit of those words. Rather, he has contributed to the quagmire of ‘political correctness’ by using disinformation and outright threats of dire punishment and unlawful actions against people who question his authority, instead of using his office ‘to find and punish those people guilty of terrorism against this country and the world’ (like Osama bin Laden, for one).

To report that terrorists are running amok in their own countries, against their own people, with the psychological encouragement and financial support from their religious leaders, is not a call to hate all Muslims nor is it intolerance of Islam. It is a call to be prepared to face the world with an accurate and clear-eyed judgment of the realities of life in these countries and to denounce and stand against this type of inhuman treatment, regardless of how many clerics, politicians, or ‘followers’ claim belief in whatever religious context. It is a call to remove the rose-colored glasses of the liberals, pull out of the sand the heads of the conservatives, and prevent our own religious leaders from commandeering our country. It is a call to right-thinking (not meaning the political right wing) for those Americans who are the real moral majority and who do not have the need to espouse any ideology other than their own common sense and decency. What’s at stake here is the education of our children in these world realities and some people, in a mistaken sense of protecting them, are actually doing a disservice to their future by not only turning their own blind eye to these realities, but trying to keep our children from being prepared to face this world’s challenges and developing the ability to make tough choices and being able to live with those choices. We are each of us only special if we live rightly.

The whole point of separation of church and state in this country was to prevent the same type of religious kidnapping of leadership overseas from happening here and every century since our forefathers wrote our constitution, the religious sector has tried to overtake our governance (rather insidiously at times, I might add). With all the corruption and hypocrisy in the religious sector, they would do better to join the secular world outright, rather than claiming that all they do is for the ‘glory of God’. This much, at the least, they have in common with the ayatollahs and the terrorists. Having faith or being faithful requires more than belonging to one particular ideology and giving it lipservice. One can be ‘faithful’ without belonging to any religious sect. It is precisely because of religious sectarianism that the world is facing the most divisive era since the Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition. Is everyone ready to revert to the Dark Ages for the sake of ‘political correctness’, (which is nothing more than a euphemism for moral cowardice)? Let’s hope not. Our future depends on being able to realize and overcome the very real world of terror that hides behind a façade of multi-culturalism, seemingly to promote fairness and equality, all the while creating a divisive hatred that is self-annihilating to humankind.

Here’s a bible quote that not one of our religious leadership is pushing these days, “By their actions shall ye know them.”

Oh brother Eboo, here you go with the false analogies again. Saying every Italian guy is a mobster, for example, is not the same as saying that everyone who is a Muslim is consciously, willingly allied with an ideology that calls for the killing, conquering and subjugation of all non-Muslims, because the latter is 100 percent TRUE. It’s in the Koran in black and white.

Italian = nationality
Islam = ideology

Not the same thing. Got it yet genius?

Not that Islamo-fascism Awareness Week states anything about Muslims anyway, as you imply. It examines Islam, an IDEOLOGY. And examination of ideologies is perfectly fair in these things you apparently don’t understand called FREE SOCIETIES.

And for the love of #%@&% will you quit your whining about “Islamophobia.” There’s no such thing.

Yes yes! Everything I've read from you so far has been right on target I am fast becoming a fan.

If there is a difference between Jihadi Muslims and modern day Christian Crusaders it is that the
crusaders wish they could fire up their followers as the Islamic extremists have succeeded in doing. They have the same mindset -- blind faith, intolerance, hypocrisy.

Fundamentalist Christians have received full support from the current incumbent of the White House but, fortunately, unlike Islamic nations under Sharia laws our constitution has not been overtaken by faith-based policies -- not yet.

Scary groups, both.

reid @October 26, 2007 11:13 AM: We broke Islam??!! NO: we attacked a country, Iraq, for no reason.

Please do not try to divert the discussion. Or, at least if you do, first acknowledge that you are wrong and now want to change the topic. (That is implicit in diverting a discussion).

As for my 'childhood'? What are you talking about? Stick to one thing at a time, or just watch! But do NOT try anything personal.

"Dr. Patel has done just what you asked for many, many, times."

Mae, Dr. Patel would have to do this many many times daily just to keep up with Muslims acts of terror. My problem is that in essay after essay Dr. Patel acts indignant and offended that Americans would take notice that these suicidal and murderous acts are committed and perpetuated by his coreligionists. Ayaan Hirsi Ali offends him. Robert Spencer offends him. On and on. He is one truly put upon/put out Muslim. He should get his butt off his shoulders long enough to write one essay on the hate-filled Islamic terrorists that offend (and kill) so many others, non-Muslims and Muslims.

The only problem is that there are very few, if any, Muslims in the world that don't both wish the U.S. harm, and want Israel - and all Jews - exterminated. That religion is the problem, the one that preaches hate. If there are secular, non-U.S.-hating, non-Jew-hating Muslims, great. I've just never seen one or heard of one.

Until the Chief Clerics of all the Muslim countries condemn the terrorist actions of Muslim individuals, and abrogate the verses in Quran that instigate the "believers" to fight the "unbelievers" the world is going to identify all Muslims with the Jihadists.

"it's highly unlikely that anyone called Eboo Patel is a muslim"

Tom: I believe Eboo Patel is a Muslim whose ancestors were forced into conversion during the jihad ravages on the Indian subcontinent which began in the early 11th century.

Berry wrote: "We're still waiting for Eboo to stand for principle as Ali did, or to be brave enough to condemn those muslims who killed thousands of Americans in 9/11, or to condemn the Madrid bombings, the London bombings, the threats against Danish cartoonists, and the threats against Ayaan Hirsi Ali.". Berry, You are really not reading very well. Dr. Patel has done just what you asked for many, many, times.

To the rabid crowd who are posting here, since Eboo doesn't seem bothered to contradict you, I should point out that it's highly unlikely that anyone called Eboo Patel is a muslim. That sounds like a Hindu name to me.

I don't think Eboo is objecting to Muslim-bashing bigotry because he's a muslim .... I think it's because he's speaking as a human being and a decent fair-minded person.

Maybe you guys should try that yourselves sometime. It's not as instantly gratifying as being a puffed-up, ignorant, self-righteous bigot, but in the long run it's more rewarding and better for your country.

Eboo expect muslims to be respected in America.

Then, why doesn't he do something about it?

Do you remember Muhammed Ali, the great boxing champion? America respects him and loves him, not just for his boxing talent, but because he had the courage to stand for principle: he went to jail rather than going to war.

Have you heard of Hakeem Olajuwon, the NBA star? He earned people's respect. When a friend of him (a muslim) refused to stand for the national anthem, Hakeem told him that being a good muslim does not mean being a jerk who insults his host country.

We're still waiting for Eboo to stand for principle as Ali did, or to be brave enough to condemn those muslims who killed thousands of Americans in 9/11, or to condemn the Madrid bombings, the London bombings, the threats against Danish cartoonists, and the threats against Ayaan Hirsi Ali.

Not at all. In a recent post, Eboo not only failed to condemn those criminals who threatened to kill Ms Ayaan Hirsi Ali. He rather went on insulting her.

Then, such a jerk expect muslims to be respected. What a joke.

Eboo ask 'There are people who want you to believe that hating Muslims is your patriotic duty. I wonder what country they think they live in."

Let's see. They could be in Afghanistan, or Iraq, or Turkey, maybe Saudi Arabia, or howabout Iran?

Hate is an ugly thing. Considering the largest number of victims of Islamic terrorism are muslim, I would think an Islamic state is not the place to be until Sunnis and Shias, Fundamentalist and Modernist/Secular lay down the sword. Uh, ah somewhere besides in each others heads.

Hmmm, Kuwait, Bosnia, Kosovo, Afghanistan, Somalia??? Who saved or tried to save these Muslims??? And who died trying??? And who paid the bills???

And foreign aid? Hmmm, Iraq, Israel, Egypt lead the list.

And why are our troops still in Iraq? The 24/7 blood-letting, "refugee making" civil war between the Muslim Sunnis supported by the Saudi Arabia "Wannabees" and the Muslim Shiites supported by the terror theocracy of Iran whose significantly stupid ancient koranic feud continues over whose "spiritual leader" is the direct descendent of one hallucinating, womanizing, warmongering Arab named Mohammed!!! And "liberal" Muslims like Eboo question our concern about Muslim violence ????????????????????????????

"The America I believe in is based on the idea that people from different backgrounds can build a nation characterized by equal dignity and mutual loyalty together."

So, the America you believe in has no room for the faithful who believe that good Muslims should not take unbelievers as friends, and that there should be no law but the law of Allah. Good, that's an America I believe in, too. That's something that we can all support.

amvienna good god. i love your thinking. we somehow "broke" islam so everything is our fault. i'm so sorry for your dysfuntional childhood. i have great news you. they have figured out "A Simple Way to End the War on Terror" over at dailykos.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/10/24/0320/2227

"When will the madness end."

A question the whole world is asking. Ooops, Aya, no question mark. Once again, you make this much too easy. Thanks sympatico..

And here's a new one:

"The joint FBI-Homeland Security bulletin, obtained by CBS News today, bluntly warns that terrorists are still working to use “modified footwear as a concealment method for explosive devices,” CBS News correspondent Bob Orr reports.

The alert follows the discovery of bomb detonators - expertly hidden in the hollowed-out soles of this pair of shoes - found aboard a European bus last month"

I'm thinking this may be the work of those death loving wiccan/pagans. There. Are you happy now?

reid: Sorry, but since WE invaded, and WE are the occupiers, and WE are the ruling authority, everything that happens is OUR responsibility. That is not just a moral statement, it is a legal statement. It is what Powell meant when he said 'if you break it, you own it'.

Another Anon: ""Because if any crime is done by a Muslim then the headline will read "Muslim blah blah blah has done so and so."

For the love of Allah, Aya..

Try to stay quasi-reality-based when attempting to propagandize:

TEACHER WHO ATTACKED BASE HAD DEATH WISH, FBI SAYS

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/miami_dade/story/280906.html"

"

"Oh wait the article did state "But Ahmad was no terrorist, authorities believe."

Aya-the sentence preceding the one you quoted tells the story:

"Wielding two butcher knives bought at Wal-Mart and vodka bottles to use as explosives, Tahmeed Ahmad chanted ''Death to America'' and told Homestead Air Reserve Base guards he wanted to kill soldiers."

Aya, was that a "death wish" or a "72 virgin wish"?

And if you want to know how Americans feel- read this article's comments page."

According to those comments on that page you must feel the same way? So how did I disprove your point? By the way not all Americans feel this way. I'm American. Born and raised as a Muslim in Philadelphia. My mama is from Philly and my dad is from Kansas City, MO. The majority of my ancestors did not immigrate here if you know what I mean. So I guess I wouldn't be the poster child of what an American Muslim looks like IMO.

"Aya you said:

"Because if any crime is done by a Muslim then the headline will read "Muslim blah blah blah has done so and so."

And

"Wow so you take this statement, "Wielding two butcher knives bought at Wal-Mart and vodka bottles to use as explosives, Tahmeed Ahmad chanted ''Death to America'' and told Homestead Air Reserve Base guards he wanted to kill soldiers.", and think that only a Muslim would say something like that?"

He was NOT identified as Muslim. So- thanks for making my point. You are such a sweetie."

No you just misunderstood my question,"Wow so you take this statement, "Wielding two butcher knives bought at Wal-Mart and vodka bottles to use as explosives, Tahmeed Ahmad chanted ''Death to America'' and told Homestead Air Reserve Base guards he wanted to kill soldiers.", and think that only a Muslim would say something like that?". Questions end with a question mark. Again I repeat, now say it with me reading is fundamental. Smooches mwah!!!

Islamophobia is deep rooted in a "little/short' history of America.
The majority of the African-Americans are the descendants of the Muslim forefathers.
Why the white Americans hate the Hispanic people? Because the Hispanics are different.
The forefathers of the whites of America brought Islamophobia from Europe which is now rekindled just to maintain their hegemony on the land that they grabbed after expelling and killing the original people of America. Fear and Phobia, whatsoever it may be,is in the minds and the hearts of those people who propagate hatred.
But Islam is not the name of an individual, trbe or nation, it is half of the world.

amvienna/gilman-

do you know the statistics of the epidemic muslem against muslem raping, maiming, and killing? it might surprise you when it is factored into the numbers you quote. obl alqaeda just attacking greatest supporter aljazeera? are you familiar with the indoctination to suicide and murder of little muslem children? that is why people call islam a death cult.

To remove the opprobrium of a "fascistic" identity for Islam, should not Muslim Americans with one voice cry out that they subscribe to the American philosophic and constitutionalized credo for dis-establishment of Church from State; that they do not aspire for a global, as well as American Caliphate; that they cannot want to overcome America's civil laws with the religious laws of the Sharia; that they do not believe in dhimminitude with its discriminatory constraints on non-muslims. (Not to mention revulsion from intra sect and extra sect religious violence displayed every day throughout Islam among foreign Muslim nations.)

Is it not clear that those Muslims who do not ascribe in full to the above mentioned corner stones of America's personal and institutional freedoms are, in actuality, "for real" social and religious bigots – and could well be identified as such, as de jure "fascistic" ?

And should not those Muslims who do subscribe to these American "Free Will" cornerstones speak out on their behalf far more openly, without any fear of reprisal from other Muslims of any sect?

There is such a constituency, I am sure, and shoul it not be be the first eradicator of any grounds for anti-islam discrimination?

Islamic cult of death?

The Judeo-Christians kill more people than any other sect. For every Jew killed by a Muslim, 9 Muslims must die. For every Christian killed in Iraq, how many Muslims die? Whose is the cult of death?

Or is it the barbarism of the killings by Muslims that makes it look so terrible, since Judeo-Christians do their killing from the safety of 10,000 feet, or hundreds of miles away, or encased in full body armor.

If the Muslims came into the bible belt with this type of firepower, how would the Evangelicals respond?

Interesting repetition of 9/11.

But it is not a justification, it is a rationalization. Afterall, just in response to 9/11 we killed about 30,000 in Afghanistan, hundreds of thousands in Iraq (had nothing to do with 9/11), we created about 5 million (out of 24 million) refugees in Iraq ...

Do you get the point? I hate to say it, but we, the US, have been responsible for far more deaths and human suffering since 9/11 than just about anyone I can think of.

Aya you said:

"Because if any crime is done by a Muslim then the headline will read "Muslim blah blah blah has done so and so."

And

"Wow so you take this statement, "Wielding two butcher knives bought at Wal-Mart and vodka bottles to use as explosives, Tahmeed Ahmad chanted ''Death to America'' and told Homestead Air Reserve Base guards he wanted to kill soldiers.", and think that only a Muslim would say something like that?"

He was NOT identified as Muslim. So- thanks for making my point. You are such a sweetie.

Wow so you take this statement, "Wielding two butcher knives bought at Wal-Mart and vodka bottles to use as explosives, Tahmeed Ahmad chanted ''Death to America'' and told Homestead Air Reserve Base guards he wanted to kill soldiers.", and think that only a Muslim would say something like that? Um he's was at a Walmart. What's more American than a Walmart? Oh yeah there is apple pie...but seriously do you think that Muslims are not capable of doing any good? There's not a day that goes by that I don't think to myself why oh why are these crazy, deranged, disillusioned human beings defending themselves by perverting the Qur'an. When will the madness end.

Aya- You were wrong about media being slanted against Muslims. If anything -it is the opposite. Funny how incidents like this never make national news.

"New details have emerged in the case against 26-year-old Houssein Zorkot — a Dearborn resident and former medical student charged earlier this month with carrying a loaded AK-47 semi-automatic rifle in a public park."

http://www.pressandguide.com/stories/093007/loc_20070930005.shtml

Wow so you take this statement, "Wielding two butcher knives bought at Wal-Mart and vodka bottles to use as explosives, Tahmeed Ahmad chanted ''Death to America'' and told Homestead Air Reserve Base guards he wanted to kill soldiers.", and think that only a Muslim would say something like that? Are you serious? No, really are you serious?

what America does not need is some foreign follower of the islamic cult of death telling us what is acceptable or not acceptable.

"Oh wait the article did state "But Ahmad was no terrorist, authorities believe."

Aya-the sentence preceding the one you quoted tells the story:

"Wielding two butcher knives bought at Wal-Mart and vodka bottles to use as explosives, Tahmeed Ahmad chanted ''Death to America'' and told Homestead Air Reserve Base guards he wanted to kill soldiers."

Aya, was that a "death wish" or a "72 virgin wish"?

And if you want to know how Americans feel- read this article's comments page.

In all of my lifetime, there have been very painful realities of prejudice in America. I am Black, I am a woman. Until recently, there was not in my view any concern about people who are Muslims. However on a clear crisp September morning, the liberty of my thoughts were savagely assaulted by a group of terrorist who told the world with fierce self sacrifice that America and everyone in America without regard to color, creed, religion or economics was their enemy. They identified themselves as Muslims. That there are law abiding people of the Muslim faith throughout the world, I have no doubt. But the hate that is cooked up within the sanctity of Islam is a cancer that has not been adequately decried. The consequence of that failure is a fear that will curse and condemn the good with the evil for many years to come.

Another Anon: So are you assuming that is guy is a Muslim because of his name? Oh wait the article did state "But Ahmad was no terrorist, authorities believe." Reading is fundamental. Please play on my words. Pretty please with cherries on top.

steve you forgot to finish your last sentence:

"requires calling for the best in our history while facing the worst qualties of a people that continue to fear brown, black, disabled, poor and "foreign" family members (who hate us and want to convert or kill us)"

"Because if any crime is done by a Muslim then the headline will read "Muslim blah blah blah has done so and so."

For the love of Allah, Aya..

Try to stay quasi-reality-based when attempting to propagandize:

TEACHER WHO ATTACKED BASE HAD DEATH WISH, FBI SAYS

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/miami_dade/story/280906.html

The many statements akin to "why is it that all terrorists are Muslims?" are silly and ignorant. Let's see, anyone remember the Khmer Rouge, the IRA, Timothy McVeigh, the KKK, the Unabomber, any of several militant groups in Central and South America (shining path, narcoterrorists), ETA (basque seperatist group) just to name a few.

Knowledge is power. Ignorance is bliss.

With the Republicans now pushing [quite successfully, I might add] to shift the national debate in a violently xenophobic direction, it's becoming a dangerous time here in Germany... I mean the US...

Eboo Patel's America is a wonderful idea, linking Jefferson and Franklin as heros. Yet, he fails to face both of their commitment to slavery as a critical part of the founding experience just as he fails to face the need to hate Muslims as a group on the part of present leaders. The tough question is not which America shall we make the illusion but how do we face the real America with its needs to hate a long list of people? Working for justice and respect requires calling for the best in our history while facing the worst qualties of a people that continue to fear brown, black, disabled, poor and "foreign" family members.

Eboo Patel's America is a wonderful idea, linking Jefferson and Franklin as heros. Yet, he fails to face both of their commitment to slavery as a critical part of the founding experience just as he fails to face the need to hate Muslims as a group on the part of present leaders. The tough question is not which America shall we make the illusion but how do we face the real America with its needs to hate a long list of people? Working for justice and respect requires calling for the best in our history while facing the worst qualties of a people that continue to fear brown, black, disabled, poor and "foreign" family members.

I just checked the who's who of people organizing this event. The stars of this farce are Rick Santorum, Ann Coulter, Robert Spencer among others. I know some may not like this analogy - but this forum/event is akin to Hitler organizing a Judaism Awareness week or David Duke holding a African-Awareness Session...

and the sad part is, to this day and age there are plenty of people who will lap up every sentence they say. I do not disagree with the topics they will bring out - Women oppression is reprehensible in many Islamic societies(exceptions - Turkey, Qatar, Malayasia etc). But its the stinking hypocrisy from these American Public figures that causes people from the rest of the world to question the motives or dislike the policies.

"Why is it that terrorist acts are almost always committed by Muslims?" Because if any crime is done by a Muslim then the headline will read "Muslim blah blah blah has done so and so." Now if a crime is done by someone who doesn't follow Islam then you won't hear Christian so and so has done this or Buddhist so and so has done this or Atheist so and so has done this, etc. And the so and so that I speak of can be a murder, a theft, or anything that is negative. If I save a lady from a burning building the headline would not read "Muslim woman saves Christian or Buddhist (or whatever type of lady) from burning building." It would read "Brave person saves distressed lady from burning building" or something like that. Now if I bombed that building the headline would read "Muslim (woman) bombs building. More details after the break. Back to you Ted."

in britain over six individuals who had everything, let me repeat this point, they had everything, even a baby, decided to try to board aircraft and destroy the planes with them aboard makes all muslims sleeper agents for death. muslims seldom say anything about the extremists unless forced to, to protect themselves.
if you want opinion to change, start showing the world you have changed instead of trying to force the world to accept you and your kind on faith, because that will not happen.

in britain over six individuals who had everything, let me repeat this point, they had everything, even a baby, decided to try to board aircraft and destroy the planes with them aboard makes all muslims sleeper agents for death. muslims seldom say anything about the extremists unless forced to, to protect themselves.
if you want opinion to change, start showing the world you have changed instead of trying to force the world to accept you and your kind on faith, because that will not happen.

Getting real and "to the point" about the problem:

It is all in and about the koran. Change this book of death. Delete its warmonging passages and there will be no fear of Islam. In the meantime,

"Gators vs. Muslims??? Gators definitely will kill. With Muslims, it depends but with the koran as their operating manual can we trust any of them?"

When I was a kid we were told that communism was the great evil of the world, and that we had to fight them on every front. So we had 2 major wars (Korea and Vietnam) over that, which either came out a "tie" (Korea) or a "loss" (Vietnam), although so many people died on both sides that they were both huge losses for everyone. Eventually, communism just sort of died off because it could not keep up, but it wasn't a war that killed it off.

Now we are told there is a new evil in the world, and it all starts up again. Unfortunately, it seems that people in the US are most united when they are made to be terrified of some external threat (that is of course not unique to the US, we see that happening all over). Since the press focuses on problems in the middle east, it is easy for those running the show to pick the targets of hatred and take advantage of that hatred and fear to increase their power.

Regardless of what we read in the papers or see on the evening news, our way of life is not threatened by terrorists directly, but by the way we react to terrorism. When we give up freedom to increase our security, we play right into their hands. When we hate an entire ethnic or religious group because of what a few extremist do, we have already lost.

"One of the founding fathers of my country, Thomas Jefferson, had enough respect for Islam and Muslims that he owned a copy of the Qur’an."

Thomas Jefferson owned a copy of Qur'an but he condemned Muslims as they were robberers at the sea. He even sent a navy to punish them.

Unless Muslims rise up in protest all over the world against Osama Bin Laden and his gangs, carry his effigy and burn it in protest openly on the streets of Mecca, Madina, Istambul, Karachi, Cairo and in europe and America, we non Muslims will not believe you are against Osama and what he stands for.

Thank you for drawing my attention to the article on Ben Franklin, that was really good reading. He's one of my heroes.

i want to believe.

may be because tibet has no oil? duh! you want these guys to be peaceful but agree that if it weren't for oil you would nuke them.

so much for your peaceful re-action. you might get your wish if bush has his way to attack iran and then iran retaliates and then bush uses nukes for the same reason us used nukes to put an end to hiroshima and nagasaki.

you righteous people talk about peace and profess to follow chirst but are totally stranger to the idea of peace, love, live and let live and all because you believe the oil is rightfully yours but under our land and that is vital for your national interest. read big fat bums in big gas-guzzling suv's.

may be a little retaliation after 50 years of us interference can bring you to releaise that others do have a life too.

wake up, we are all one. there is no us and them and we can't drink the darn stuff, so we will sell it at the market price. you don't have to kill us to steal it and make up phoney excuses and blamt it on islam.

man, you guys love to weave stories just to justify your own murderous agendas and actions. abu gharib and gitmu mean anything to you? how about fallujah? blackwater, here is cheney who knew exactly what he was doing but did it anyway and it had nothing to do with 911. you should impeach the war-monger;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BEsZMvrq-I&eurl=

if you still believe arabs/muslims are crazy and should be grateful for your shock and awe, then please just put yourself in their shoe and see how you re-act if say japanese soldiers were roaming the us and had bombed few of your cities. and please don't pretend you have no imagination.

Here we go again. Anonymous

What came first 911 or the following:

1. CIA replacing democratically elected Mossadegh with Shah.

2. Evacuation by force of Palestinians (750,000 of them) to accommodate European people, just because someone prosecuted them for being of Judaism belief.

3. US vehemently supporting and suppressing any criticism of Zionist state over 50 years.

4. US vehemently suppressing any Palestinian aspiration for justice and self rule over 50 years.

5. Military camps dotted around ME especially in Saudi Arabia, home of Islam.

6. Support of despots rulers who persecute their own people, over the last 100 years and ignoring human rights abuses by so-called allies.

7. What did Baghdad had to do with 911?

8. What does Iran have to do with 911?

9. Who controls and runs US government?

these are from our memory banks and we have been through such periods and are witnesses to US atrocities in our lands. You seem to want to punish us even more just because you can - you reminding me of Pearl Harbour - let me ask you to google for PNAC and read the last para about Pearl Harbour vis-a-vis 911??

The list of US interference in ME goes far beyond 911 and continues openly today. Did any Muslim countries have armies in any other country? lets keep this debate to our recent times, say 100 years coz mixing it with Crusaders' times will being in more chaos and hatred. Plus it depends on which books you read??

So. I ask you again which came first and what is your aspiration?

Peace.

Why is it that terrorist acts are almost always committed by Muslims? When was the last time we saw a Buddhist terrorist? Or a Hindu terrorist? Do we see Mormons constantly bombing public locations to advance their agenda? How many airplane hijackings, suicide bombings, and journalist kidnappings have been committed by non-muslims? Muslims accuse Israel of "state-sponsored terrorism". They call us the Great Satan of the West and wonder why Americans have a poor view of muslims? What is it about Islam that even in an enlightened modern world, lends itself so easily to violence against innocent civilians as an acceptable method of social change? Someone please tell me. I want to believe that Islam is a peaceful religion but why can't it's adherents rise above violence to achieve social change?

They even kill each other, branding each other as colluders with Crusaders. Any excuse to shed blood is a good one, eh?

Check out this Yahoo story today. Regarding Al-Qaeda threatening Al-Jazeera (their biggest cheerleader!) today with murder for playing a recent audio of Bin Laden.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071026/ap_on_re_mi_ea/bin_laden_tape;_ylt=AuFoTEkUmFkW9RNonoFGuFas0NUE

Sheesh. If it wasn't for their oil, I'd say, let's just Nuke'em all and be done with it.

thank you for your wonderful and eloquent article.

"It’s not just the last acceptable prejudice in America. There are people who want you to believe that hating Muslims is your patriotic duty."

Amen to that. Just ask Rudy Giuliani's dangerous rhetoric on water boarding "could or could not" be torture depending on WHO'S DOING IT? If the Iraqi Muslims do it, it's torture...if the Repuglicons do it, its a "TOOL TO SAVE LIVES!"

Or Halle Berry being forced to apologize for a cultural joke on Jews (Jewish cousin's large nose) yet DEFEANING SILENCE TRASHING ISLAM WITH A EUROPEAN IDEOLOGY OF FASCISM. They even got newly minted ex-Senators turned columnists RICK SANTORUM to help spread it.

AS MANY BLOGS HAVE NOW WRITTEN, GET READY FOR AN ISRAELI-INSPIRED WAR WITH IRAN...

"When they have anti-semetic laws and put people behind bars for spitting such bile against Jews, the very same people seem to be encouraging and promoting worst bile against Muslims in general. Co-incident?"

No Ahmed-- 911. Instead of comparing Muslems with Jews, try remembering what it was to be Japanese in America after Pearl Harbor.

When they have anti-semetic laws and put people behind bars for spitting such bile against Jews, the very same people seem to be encouraging and promoting worst bile against Muslims in general. Co-incident?

Is America great?

I shall leave you to answer that ma friend.

Here is a clew though. If you want to blanket bomb a people it is easier to first turn them into enemies. It softens the blow especially when you live in a democratic country and you can run a poll after such campaign. Chances are most people would also hate them. Onward we march.

Production of WMD requires endless consumption to keep the economy going.

You might have good reasons to bomb us all, perhaps just because you can? But might does not necessarily mean you are right.

I would say this, people who have made up their minds about me, as a Muslim, are not going to be suddenly nice to me because I give them good reason to counter their views.

Confuses says, "Minds set in concrete create wars."

It is all in and about the koran. Change this book of death. Delete its warmonging passages and there will be no fear of Islam. In the meantime,

"Gators vs. Muslims??? Gators definitely will kill. With Muslims, it depends but with the koran as their operating manual can we trust any of them?"

It's quite true. Seeing so much hate both in the media and from the politicans makes you wonder what happened to the tolerance that America was supposed to be founded upon.

Do you deny the existence of Islamofascists? Please answer the question without hiding behind such questions as how many there are and whether their interpretation of Islam is the best or even a plausible one: Do you deny that somewhere in the world there is at least one person who holds that Muhammed revealed that God wants him to do violence to those who do not properly worship and obey Him, and who is willing to do that violence?

If you deny it, please tell me who attacked the United States on 9/11.

If you concede that point, we can move on to the next question: Do you deny that there is an Islamofascist threat--that is, a threat from the sort of people described in the first question--of which we should be aware?

If you deny it, please explain why there is no continuing threat from the sort of people responsible for 9/11, or why we ought to ignore that threat.

If you concede it, then tell me: Is your only objection that Islamofascist Awareness Week will make people lose sight of the difference between Islamofascists and freedom-loving Muslims? Because if that's the case, you really ought to recognize that when the supposedly freedom-loving Muslims take offense at opposition to Islamofascism, it is they -- the supposedly freedom-loving Muslims -- who make it hard to tell the two apart. Most of the opponents of Islamofascism would like nothing better than to have clear lines between the two.

If you really want to prevent opposition to Islamofascism from sustaining prejudice against all Muslims, stop saying that when you denounce Islamofascists, you denounce all Muslims. Try, instead, supporting Islamofascist Awareness Week with programs designed to help non-Muslims distinguish the good Muslims from the bad.

Mainstream Muslims have the same problem mainstream Christians do. They're afraid to denounce the hatred and violence of their extremists. Until Muslims denounce the violence of their terrorists, they have no credibility and deserve no sympathy.

Christians are no better. Mainstream Christians do not denounce the hatred and intolerance spewed by Dobson, Robertson, Haggard, Craig, Vitter et. al.
How about a Cristofacist week to bring attention to their hurtfulness, including the Iraq crusade.

Maybe Patel would embrace the spirit of the first amendment and actually listen to Robert Spencer speak:

Robert Spencer of JihadWatch speaking at Depaul University as part of "Islamo-Fascist Awareness Week:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-gGNpD3cuM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtvSNRY4I0c

Patel says:

"Victory requires that we focus like a laser beam on these enemies."

-Spencer's group is JihadWatch not MuslimWatch.

Wow!!! Another anti-American diatribe!

Why don't they change the name of this blog to "OnHatingAmericaAndChristians". They can also change "PostGlobal" to "PostHatesAmerica".

Typical liberal hypocrisy. For all of the talk of dialogue, the liberal press is afraid to give voice to any opinions that do not come from the radical left.

The Post is a joke.

My opinion is that there are a lot of people that feel the need to have a common enemy that they can hate and loath and denigrate to make themselves somehow feel better.

Instead of fearing and hating something they don't understand, why wouldn't these folks try to meet and get to know some folks from the Muslim world? The worst that could happen is that their fears would be confirmed. On the other hand, they could actually realize that the fear and hatred is misplaced.

I have studied with or worked with a handful of Muslims. Some had big problems with the American lifestyle, some embraced it the best they could and maintain their beliefs. I have learned from each one of them. They have helped me to see some things from a different perspective at times. Have they made me loathe or hate the US? Absolutely not. Have they made me think a lot about the problems that US foreign policy cause around the world? More than most people can imagine.

IslamoFascism Awareness Week -- I'm all for it as
long as we follow through with Armageddon Nuts' Awareness Week. One could go on with Neocon Warmongers' Awareness week and so on. You get the
picture.

The 1.3 billion Muslims worldwide are not a threat to our national security, but there is a real threat from radical Muslims who seek the destruction of the West and America. Current estimates put that number at 12 million or more.

Should we be offended at the term Islamo-Facsism or people who use the term incorrectly to make us believe that 'hating Muslims is your patriotic duty?'

http://www.slate.com/id/2176389/ is a good place to start debating the term

From The Islamic Sharia Council in the UK:

"Islamic Law: God sent down many messengers over time to remind people of the true and straight path and to guide mankind. Prophets such as Abraham, Moses, Noah, Jesus and Muhammed peace and blessings of God be upon them. The purpose of messengers was to warn us and to show us the truth and to bring to us revelation from God. God also revealed laws that man should abide by and follow. Everything from marital and sexual relationships to ruling and trade were discussed. Islamic law is comprehensive and complete and covers all aspects of life."

Go to-

http://www.islamic-sharia.org/index.php

and take a good look around.

May I remind readers of another Benjamin Franklin quote:

Leaving Independence Hall in Philadelphia after signing the United States Constitution, he was asked: "What kind of government did you give us?"

His response: "A REPUBLIC, IF YOU CAN KEEP IT!"

i agree with Eboo, although i think this article should have had the same umph as his previous one regarding the east african - dutch former muslim and now islam basher.

for the people who justify the public vilification of muslims by comparing it to the plight of blacks and hispanics, i say that you are completely incorrect.

while there are undoubtably unfortunate stereotypes that are directed towards blacks and hispanics, they are not publicly accepted in any way.

don imus says calls the rutgers women's basketball team "nappy headed ho's" and he's canned. but when glen beck insinuates that muslims should be sent to concentration camps.... NOTHING.

the difference is that is is completely socially acceptable to demonize muslims in the public sphere-- as though there is nothing morally wrong with the notion that muslims are inherently bad people because of their faith.

and this is where the hypocracy lies.

Eboo asks why we fear Muslims:

Because of the conduct of the seven Muslim doctors in the UK, the 9/11 Islamic terrorists, the 24/7 Sunni suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the 24/7 Shiite suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the Islamic train bombers in the UK and Spain, the Bali crazies, the Kenya crazies, the Pakistani koranics, the Palestine suicide bombers/rocketeers, the Lebanese nutcases and the Filipino koranics.

And never does Eboo condemn the sponsors of most of this terror, i.e.
The Islamic Shiite terror theocracy of Iran aka the Third Axis of Evil and also the Sunni "Wannabees" of Saudi Arabia.

And their single guide book?? The koran!!!!!! written by the scribes of an hallucinating, womanizing, warmongering Arab named Mohammed.

And Eboo finds nothing wrong with the koran!!! No wonder we fear all Muslims!!!!!