Fallen Human Endeavor, like the Olympics, does 'not' have a religious tie, to the High Tech Science 'beginning' of Life on Earth. Only an Inherited Physical Tie, to the Fall of the High Tech Science Human Species.

The Fact of the Colonization of Life on Earth with High Tech Science, and the Reproduction of Perfect Male and Female Clone Helpmeets on Earth, was lost.

Fallen Religious Humans use the High Tech Science History Book, of Genesis Chapter 1 and 2, to explain that Life on Earth was Created 'Supernaturally', with an atmosphere, and all the flora, fauna and species were added.

'Natural' Science Fallen Humans, use Evolution to prove how Life began on Earth that had an atmosphere and algae, that Evolved into life up to the Apes, and then into Human Beings.

Today Fallen Humans again, have the High Tech Science Knowledge of 'Super'naturally Colonizing a Planet and Reproducing Life in the Lab: Human Fetus' and Cloning Animals.

Fallen Humans today, do Know the 'Super'natural High Tech Way, for the Human Species to Travel in Space, and 'how' to Colonize Planets.

Fallen Humans today, Know 'how', but so far have not, Reproduced and Cloned, Equal High Tech Science Male and Female Helpmeets; we do Clone Animals. Humans need a High Tech Womb to finish the Perfect Reproduction Process.

The High Tech Clone Helpmeets, 'in the beginning' began Unequal Heterosexual Body Birth. We do not Know 'Why'. The Original Humans lost their High Tech Science Knowledge.

Unequal Humans began Religions, about these Supernatural Gods, Our High Tech Science Clone Ancestors. A Divided Unequal Sharing Killing Lifestyle Society, replaced their Equal Sharing Peace Lifestyle.

Religious teachings resulted, from the mistranslation of the Original Reason, for the Original Loss of the Eternal High Tech Science Physical Lifestyle. There is a Peaceful Pure-bred Male and Female Clone Human Species, on Planets and In Spaceships.

So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them even to the least of them.
For word came unto the king of Nineveh, and he arose from his throne, and he laid his robe from him, and covered him with sackcloth, and sat in ashes.
And he caused it to be proclaimed and published through Nineveh by the decree of the king and his nobles, saying, Let neither man nor beast, herd nor flock, taste any thing: let them not feed, nor drink water:
But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily unto God: yea, let them turn every one from his evil way, and from the violence that is in their hands.
Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not?
And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.

“Let neither man nor beast, herd nor flock, taste any thing”
“let them not feed, nor drink water”
“let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily unto God”
“let them turn every one from his evil way”
“from the violence that is in their hands”
“God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way”
“God repented of the evil”
“that he had said that he would do unto them"
"and he did it not”

Anonymous writes; "Although I do not wish to hurt your feelings, "

Anonymous; Please, Please, Please, insult me and hurt my feelings. I am actually as you've pointed our a very shallow person. I have no shame whatsoever.

Arif

Rabbi Rose~

As I looked over the TEAM DARFUR website and tried to familiarize myself with the dreadful details regarding Darfur, I was reminded of the ringing mantra of the post-Holocaust era "Never Again". Such stories assault our senses on multiple levels--the Jewish Holocaust and Darfur--and perhaps the association of the two was my most salient response. I wondered what Jewish voices might be heard regarding this genocide.

I commend you for your thoughtful reflection at a time when we are all caught up in such matters as the Michael Phelps medal bonanza, et al...

A note to Eboo Pate and the Washington post.com~

As I've never been to this website, I enthusiastically opened the Readers Comments in search of coherent and intelligent responses to Rabbi Rose's excellent piece. It is unfortunate that this venue is used for ranting and incoherent voices that only detract from the importance of such a dire situation as Darfur.

If you seek peace you will find it, if you desire war you will receive it. Heaven or hell.

Do you know the root, branch and vine

Job said “My root was spread out by the waters” “the dew lay all night upon my branch”
Moses said “My doctrine shall drop as the rain” “I will give you the rain of your land in his due season, the first rain and the latter rain” Jacob said of Joseph“Joseph is a fruitful”
“a fruitful bough by a well” “whose branches run over the wall” It is written of Solomon “every man under his vine” “all the days of Solomon”“My root was spread out by the waters”

And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:
And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord;
And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the Lord: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:
But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth: with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.
And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.

“the dew lay all night upon my branch”
“Joseph is a fruitful”
“a fruitful bough by a well”
“whose branches run over the wall”
“I come to thee in the name of the Lord of hosts”
“the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul”
“And Jonathan said to David, Go in peace, forasmuch as we have sworn both of us in the name of the Lord, saying, The Lord be between me and thee, and between my seed and thy seed for ever. And he arose and departed: and Jonathan went into the city.”
“Solomon wisdom and understanding exceeding much”
“largeness of heart, even as the sand that is on the sea shore.”
“Solomon's wisdom excelled the wisdom of all the children of the east country”
“and all the wisdom of Egypt”
“he spake of trees”
“the hyssop that springeth out of the wall”
“every man under his vine” “all the days of Solomon”
And Judah and Israel dwelt safely, every man under his vine and under his fig tree, from Dan even to Beersheba, all the days of Solomon.
“every man under his vine” “all the days of Solomon”

set me up for his mark

“Wherefore then hast thou brought me forth out of the womb”
“no eye had seen me”

“When the ear heard me, then it blessed me”
“when the eye saw me, it gave witness to me”

“they have smitten me upon the cheek reproachfully”

“whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting”
“he shall stand and feed in the strength of the Lord”
“in the majesty of the name of the Lord his God”
“for now shall he be great unto the ends of the earth.”

“So shall ye say unto Joseph”
“Forgive, I pray thee now, the trespass of thy brethren, and their sin”
“they shall smite the judge of Israel with a rod upon the cheek”
“Joseph lived an hundred and ten years.”
“Joshua the son of Nun, the servant of the Lord”
“died, being an hundred and ten years old”
“there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses”
“whom the Lord knew face to face”
“in all that mighty hand”
“in all the great terror which Moses shewed in the sight of all Israel”
“I come to thee in the name of the Lord of hosts, the God of the armies of Israel”
“Moses and Aaron among his priests, and Samuel among them that call upon his name”
“The Lord is a man of war: the Lord is his name.”

They have gaped upon me with their mouth; they have smitten me upon the cheek reproachfully; they have gathered themselves together against me.
God hath delivered me to the ungodly, and turned me over into the hands of the wicked.
I was at ease, but he hath broken me asunder: he hath also taken me by my neck, and shaken me to pieces, and set me up for his mark.

“They have gaped upon me with their mouth”
“they have smitten me upon the cheek reproachfully”
“they have gathered themselves together against me”
“God hath delivered me to the ungodly”
“turned me over into the hands of the wicked”
“set me up for his mark”

And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the Lord gave, and the Lord hath taken away; blessed be the name of the Lord.

“Naked came I out of my mother's womb”
“naked shall I return thither”

Thou renewest thy witnesses against me, and increasest thine indignation upon me; changes and war are against me.
Wherefore then hast thou brought me forth out of the womb? Oh that I had given up the ghost, and no eye had seen me!
I should have been as though I had not been; I should have been carried from the womb to the grave.
Are not my days few? cease then, and let me alone, that I may take comfort a little,
Before I go whence I shall not return, even to the land of darkness and the shadow of death;
A land of darkness, as darkness itself; and of the shadow of death, without any order, and where the light is as darkness.

“Thou renewest thy witnesses against me”
“increasest thine indignation upon me”
“changes and war are against me”
“Wherefore then hast thou brought me forth out of the womb”
“no eye had seen me”

When the ear heard me, then it blessed me; and when the eye saw me, it gave witness to me:
Because I delivered the poor that cried, and the fatherless, and him that had none to help him.
The blessing of him that was ready to perish came upon me: and I caused the widow's heart to sing for joy.
I put on righteousness, and it clothed me: my judgment was as a robe and a diadem.
I was eyes to the blind, and feet was I to the Lame.
I was a father to the poor: and the cause which I knew not I searched out.
And I brake the jaws of the wicked, and plucked the spoil out of his teeth.
Then I said, I shall die in my nest, and I shall multiply my days as the sand.
My root was spread out by the waters, and the dew lay all night upon my branch.
My glory was Fresh in me, and my bow was renewed in my hand.
Unto me men gave ear, and waited, and kept silence at my counsel.
After my words they spake not again; and my speech dropped upon them.
And they waited for me as for the rain; and they opened their mouth wide as for the latter rain.
If I laughed on them, they believed it not; and the light of my countenance they cast not down.
I chose out their way, and sat chief, and dwelt as a king in the army, as one that comforteth the mourners.

“When the ear heard me, then it blessed me”
“when the eye saw me, it gave witness to me”
“The blessing of him that was ready to perish came upon me”
“I put on righteousness, and it clothed me”
“my judgment was as a robe and a diadem.”
“I was eyes to the blind, and feet was I to the Lame.”
“I was a father to the poor: and the cause which I knew not I searched out.”
“Then I said, I shall die in my nest, and I shall multiply my days as the sand”
“My root was spread out by the waters”
“the dew lay all night upon my branch”
“Unto me men gave ear, and waited, and kept silence at my counsel”
“And they waited for me as for the rain”
“I laughed on them, they believed it not”

And when Joseph's brethren saw that their father was dead, they said, Joseph will peradventure hate us, and will certainly requite us all the evil which we did unto him.
And they sent a messenger unto Joseph, saying, Thy father did command before he died, saying,
So shall ye say unto Joseph, Forgive, I pray thee now, the trespass of thy brethren, and their sin; for they did unto thee evil: and now, we pray thee, forgive the trespass of the servants of the God of thy father. And Joseph wept when they spake unto him.
And his brethren also went and fell down before his face; and they said, Behold, we be thy servants.
And Joseph said unto them, Fear not: for am I in the place of God?
But as for you, ye thought evil against me; but God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive.
Now therefore fear ye not: I will nourish you, and your little ones. And he comforted them, and spake kindly unto them.
And Joseph dwelt in Egypt, he, and his father's house: and Joseph lived an hundred and ten years.

“Thy father did command before he died”
“So shall ye say unto Joseph”
“Forgive, I pray thee now, the trespass of thy brethren, and their sin; for they did unto thee evil”
“forgive the trespass of the servants of the God of thy father”
“Now therefore fear ye not: I will nourish you, and your little ones”
“Joseph lived an hundred and ten years.”

So Joshua let the people depart, every man unto his inheritance.
And it came to pass after these things, that Joshua the son of Nun, the servant of the Lord, died, being an hundred and ten years old.

“Joshua the son of Nun, the servant of the Lord”
“died, being an hundred and ten years old”

Then sang Moses and the children of Israel this song unto the Lord, and spake, saying, I will sing unto the Lord, for he hath triumphed gloriously: the horse and his rider hath he thrown into the sea.
The Lord is my strength and song, and he is become my salvation: he is my God, and I will prepare him an habitation; my father's God, and I will exalt him.
The Lord is a man of war: the Lord is his name.

“The Lord is a man of war: the Lord is his name.”

And Joshua the son of Nun was full of the spirit of wisdom; for Moses had laid his hands upon him: and the children of Israel hearkened unto him, and did as the Lord commanded Moses.
And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the Lord knew face to face,
In all the signs and the wonders, which the Lord sent him to do in the land of Egypt to Pharaoh, and to all his servants, and to all his land,
And in all that mighty hand, and in all the great terror which Moses shewed in the sight of all Israel.

“Joshua the son of Nun was full of the spirit of wisdom”
“for Moses had laid his hands upon him”
“there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses”
“whom the Lord knew face to face”
“in all that mighty hand”
“in all the great terror which Moses shewed in the sight of all Israel”

Now after the death of Moses the servant of the Lord it came to pass, that the Lord spake unto Joshua the son of Nun, Moses' minister, saying,
Moses my servant is dead; now therefore arise, go over this Jordan, thou, and all this people, unto the land which I do give to them, even to the children of Israel.
Every place that the sole of your foot shall tread upon, that have I given unto you, as I said unto Moses.
From the wilderness and this Lebanon even unto the great river, the river Euphrates, all the land of the Hittites, and unto the great sea toward the going down of the sun, shall be your coast.
There shall not any man be able to stand before thee all the days of thy life: as I was with Moses, so I will be with thee: I will not fail thee, nor forsake thee.
Be strong and of a good courage: for unto this people shalt thou divide for an inheritance the land, which I sware unto their fathers to give them.

“the Lord spake unto Joshua”
“There shall not any man be able to stand before thee all the days of thy life”
“as I was with Moses, so I will be with thee”
“I will not fail thee, nor forsake thee”

Moses and Aaron among his priests, and Samuel among them that call upon his name; they called upon the Lord, and he answered them.

“Moses and Aaron among his priests, and Samuel among them that call upon his name”
“they called upon the Lord, and he answered them”

Then said David to the Philistine, Thou comest to me with a sword, and with a spear, and with a shield: but I come to thee in the name of the Lord of hosts, the God of the armies of Israel, whom thou hast defied.

“I come to thee in the name of the Lord of hosts, the God of the armies of Israel”

Now gather thyself in troops, O daughter of troops: he hath laid siege against us: they shall smite the judge of Israel with a rod upon the cheek.
But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.
Therefore will he give them up, until the time that she which travaileth hath brought forth: then the remnant of his brethren shall return unto the children of Israel.
And he shall stand and feed in the strength of the Lord, in the majesty of the name of the Lord his God; and they shall abide: for now shall he be great unto the ends of the earth.

“Now gather thyself in troops, O daughter of troops”
“they shall smite the judge of Israel with a rod upon the cheek”
“yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel”
“whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting”
“he shall stand and feed in the strength of the Lord”
“in the majesty of the name of the Lord his God”
“for now shall he be great unto the ends of the earth.”

Thy way and thy doings have procured these things unto thee; this is thy wickedness, because it is bitter, because it reacheth unto thine heart.
My bowels, my bowels! I am pained at my very heart; my heart maketh a noise in me; I cannot hold my peace, because thou hast heard, O my soul, the sound of the trumpet, the alarm of war.
Destruction upon destruction is cried; for the whole land is spoiled: suddenly are my tents spoiled, and my curtains in a moment.
How long shall I see the standard, and hear the sound of the trumpet?
For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.
I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the Lord, and by his fierce anger.
For thus hath the Lord said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.

“Thy way and thy doings have procured these things unto thee”
“this is thy wickedness, because it is bitter, because it reacheth unto thine heart”
“I cannot hold my peace, because thou hast heard”
“the sound of the trumpet, the alarm of war”
“Destruction upon destruction is cried; for the whole land is spoiled”
“For my people is foolish, they have not known me”
“and they have none understanding”
“they are wise to do evil”
“to do good they have no knowledge”
“I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void”
“the heavens, and they had no light”
“The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.”

Behold, they say unto me, Where is the word of the Lord? let it come now.
As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day; thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right before thee.
Be not a terror unto me: thou art my hope in the day of evil.
Let them be confounded that persecute me, but let not me be confounded: let them be dismayed, but let not me be dismayed: bring upon them the day of evil, and destroy them with double destruction.

“Where is the word of the Lord? let it come now.”
“Be not a terror unto me: thou art my hope in the day of evil.”
“Let them be confounded that persecute me, but let not me be confounded”
“let them be dismayed, but let not me be dismayed”
“bring upon them the day of evil, and destroy them with double destruction.”

"Throughout the Olympics, there will be several opportunities for us to take action. One particularly creative campaign is called Switch Over to Darfur. The organizers of this initiative are calling on Olympic viewers to turn off their TV's during commercials (by the offending sponsors) and "switch over" to daily reports by Mia Farrow from a Darfurian refugee camp. In addition to interviewing genocide survivors, Farrow will also provide recommendations for further action steps."

The horror in Darfur is unimaginable. Been there, seen it. Or, I thank you for your essay, and pray that people will follow the links you provide and do as you ask.

Sudanese refugees have nowhere to go. They're being thrown back into hell by Egypt which catches most of them. They have nowhere to go. Some demonstrations are being planned, and they will be well publicized.

Anonymous wrote:

"Due to rampant, widespread corruption, the wealthy take foreign aid, and loans and give nothing to the poor. Officers in the military make money, and engage in corruption. In the meantime, the poor regular soldiers have nothing but corruption to rely on. The same with the "police." Who calls the police in many of these countries? One would have to be insane."

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I agree fully with all this. This has nothing to do with religion.

In Irak,women are prohibited to buy Cucumber.
Who knows the cause/reason ?

I'm confused by the posts of Somali and others. What does this rabbi have to do with Israel and Palestine? He's not an Israeli official; he's not even Israeli. Equally important, his post concerns Darfur. He has written a Jewish lament just as a Christian might write a Christian lament, or a Muslim a Muslim lament. What does this have to do with the Israelies and Palestinians?

Somali muslim pig,

You have nowhere to go but to hell where you belong and to which you will soon be sent.

Byebye, mooselim. Watch out for your antlers.

"You are so presumptuous and, therefore, irrational.
I neither took the easy way out or in. I am not from any of the countries you refer to. Your bigotry is evident."

I haven't referred to any countries. The simple fact of the matter is that Muslim nations of the Middle East cannot absolve themselves of all responsibility for their plights. To say that they are mere pawns of the West is racist. Some of these dictators, though not all, do indeed have Western support. Even in their case, they are supported by the armies, and by the elite families. Many of these families use bonded labor, that is slaves. This is not the doing of the West which would like to see those countries industrialize.

Due to rampant, widespread corruption, the wealthy take foreign aid, and loans and give nothing to the poor. Officers in the military make money, and engage in corruption. In the meantime, the poor regular soldiers have nothing but corruption to rely on. The same with the "police." Who calls the police in many of these countries? One would have to be insane.

Get real. If you aren't from any of these countries, then do some research before taking yet another way out: ignorance.

Anonymous writes:"Get real. The "West" does support some of them, but so do the wealthy families of the regions, the
armies, etc. Otherwise, the "corrupt rulers" wouldn't exist. Some activists fight them despite the risk. You, on the other hand, took an easy way out, figuratively and literally."

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You are so presumptuous and, therefore, irrational.
I neither took the easy way out or in. I am not from any of the countries you refer to. Your bigotry is evident.

"I am not here to defend the the Western supported corrupt rulers of the Middle East"

Get real. The "West" does support some of them, but so do the wealthy families of the regions, the
armies, etc. Otherwise, the "corrupt rulers" wouldn't exist. Some activists fight them despite the risk. You, on the other hand, took an easy way out, figuratively and literally.

Somali, you racist muslim moron. If there were some way to protect Christians and Jews from your stupid muslim self, I'd be all for it. Meanwhile, musselman, crawl back under the rock you came from, and wait for the next camel ride.

To understand how many inhabitants of a country are poor, it is not enough to know a country's per capita income or G D P. The number of poor people in a country and the average quality of life depend on how equally or unequally income is distributed across the population.

The collective net worth of the 400 wealthiest Americans climbed $120 billion, to $1.25 trillion [ Forbes Magazine] in 2008

The combined wealth of the worlds billioners in 2004 [ 587 individuals and family units],according to forbes magazine is &1.9 trillion. This is more than the G D P of the worlds 135 poorest countries combined.

When you live in United States,with the roar of free market, the roar of this huge military power, the roar of being at the heart of empire, its hard to hear the whispering of the rest of the world. And I think many of the US citizens want to. I dont think that all of them are necesserily co-inspirators in this concept of empire. And those who are not, need to listen to other stories of the world- other voices, other people [ A R- The shape of the beast]

Ibrahim Mahfouz:

I am not here to defend the the Western supported corrupt rulers of the Middle East.

With the exception of few, most of the mosques here in America have been built and are being built by American Muslims. American Muslims do not look towards the corrupt rulers of the Middle East. We are self-reliant and take care of our spiritual needs.

American Muslims (at least 80% of us) are physicians, surgeons, lawyers, professors, engineers and other professionals. Obviously, most of us are highly educated.

But Muslims in America are in all walks of life. Some are taxi drivers, shop keepers, restaurant owners etc. etc.

We reject money for building mosques from the corrupt rulers of the M.E.

Anonymous says:
“The world's poorest country in the Western hemisphere is Haiti--a Christian country.
Most of Latin America is Christian and is vastly underdeveloped.
The Philippines is one of the poorest Christian country in Asia.”

I never asserted that a non-Muslim country is a sure guarantee that it be wealthy. I say that a Muslim majority country is a sure guarantee of poverty. Off course there are societies in the Middle East that are floating on oil, and yet despite that most of their inhabitants are destitute.
Arif wondered why none of those oil rich Arabian countries would not set a fund to build a swimming pool for the Palestinians. Because their priorities are to build mosques in the West and distribute books that incite against the Unbelievers. First must come first. Some are building modern structures on their desert lands but most are stashing all that cash in European and American banks.
This anonymous is typical of his culture; instead of facing up to reality he lashes back with mostly false allegations. That is why there is no hope of change for them. Besides why are you hiding behind ‘anonymous”? You could use any pseudo name. You want to have the freedom to make all sorts of allegations without accepting any responsibility or risk "loss of credibility."

This is ODD!!!

The box showing the comments and the number of comments posted by readers KEEPS DISSAPEARING!!
All done, it seems, to Protect this jew from MERE words!!!!

Increadible!!!

The Terrorist They Call "president" Is The Enemy Of Humanity!!

Nasty is the only word I can come up with to describe the distortion, hypocricy and censorship that's becoming the order of the day of this stinking site controlled by WAPO.

Blindly and stupidly pro-jew, there's no story stupid enough to print if written by some jew or another. They will publish all kinds of lazily researched drivel from a jew even if OFFENDS. In fact this website specializes in anti-Muslim propaganda the same way the pro-slaughter Rwanda media were pro-genocide. I see NO difference sometimes between some of the nasty, jew-written pro-mass murder opinion on WAPO and Rwanda-type Genicidal media that encouraged the slaughter of 800,000 Rwandese!!!

The LIES and the HATE are exactly the same!!

Now, this rabu, or whatever his title, has just managed to sell the WAPO LIES and garbage. But the WAPO put it up even without EDITING and I caught several lazy-headed lines. They have since edited the offending lines, but they have also been editing out POSTS of comments they don't like, this FASCIST WaPo!!

The good rabju and his WaPo promoters and supporters see words of their detractors as MORE DANGEROUS than the BOMBS of the mass murdering, genocidal, baby-killing, pregannt women-killing, lying, land-thieving so-called "government" of the cesspool called Israel.

They will rub out my words here because they offend the "delicate" sensibilities of this rabuj. But they will NEVER call an end to the genocide and the slaughter of Palestinian children and women, crimes commited by the jew that's currently exterminating Palestinians on their own God-given land!!

When a man FAILS to recognise the SACREDNESS of TRUTH and that same man GETS scared of the TRUTH, that very same man has nowhere to go but down. And that's what's happening to America. The place is going DOWN because the people who live there CAN NO LONGER tell between REALITY and FICTION!! They are basically BLIND!!

They have even FICTIONALIZEd their lives as a result of living in the dark for too long and hence the downward slide!!

You have NOWHERE to go, white man, but down and I am happily chroniclining your eminent downfall!!!!!!

Arif:

Although I do not wish to hurt your feelings, but you give the impression that you are a very shallow person. You do not seem to get the point that (1) one should not single out a religion or culture for misdeeds and (2) the glamour that you see in the West today is the result of two centuries of colonialism, particularly of the Europeans.

Cultures and their ethos are different. Who is to decide what is "good" or "bad"?

There is no doubt that today's Muslims need reform and they should try to revive their enlightened world view of the past.

At the end of the day a diamond is still a rock, statutes from Egypt are preserved at least in London, look what happened to all the rich culture of Afghanistan, Iraq etc., all destroyed by brother Muslims. It is Muslim culture to destroy their past and claim it was jahalaya. The Kohi-noor diamond does not make up British wealth my Muslim friend, look up the history of that diamond and see that jack-a$$ kings owned it and then lost it. People make up the wealth of a nation a concept alien to Islam. Museums and temples don't contribute to GDP, citizens do, all citizens.

"Travel by coach or train in the country side of England. What natural resources do they have? Nothing except coal. You will find numerous castles in the countryside. How did England get that rich?"

Genius the coach or train you travel on are the wealth of England not the diamonds or the statues, the resources that these countries have are their people and what they contribute. What happens when we no longer need oil? The camel herders will do what then?

Ibrahim Mahfouz and Arif:

Go to the banks of the river Thames in London and see for yourself the statutes standing there stolen from ancient Egypt.

Go to the Queen of England and ask her how did she get the Kohi-noor, the largest diamond of the world which was found in India and was in the possession of the Mughal dynasty.

Go vist the Philadelphia Museum of Art and go to the section in Asia. You will find a Hindu temple from S.India brought from India stone by stone and reassembled there. Doesn't that temple belong to the people of India and is a cultural and religious heritage of the people of India?

In the same museum go to the section of the authentic documents of the kings of India of the medieval times.

Go to the section on Persia in the same museum and find the original documents on display there. How did they get there?

Go to the museums of all over the Western world and you will find similar items stolen from Asian countries.

Wait for a few years, and you will find pieces of Iraqi cultural heritage and Mesopotamian artifacts appear in the museums in the West.

Travel by coach or train in the country side of England. What natural resources do they have? Nothing except coal. You will find numerous castles in the countryside. How did England get that rich?

You have some nerve to criticize Muslims, You have no shame.

August 8, 2008 11:03 PM

Farnaz:
"Sari: Why should a rabbi not weep for the Darfurians? Why, simply because he is a rabbi and a Jew, must he carry the sins and failures of the Israeli government and Hamas and Fatah on his back. The issue in this article is Darfur and the Chinese."

Sari, there is a word for the sort of behavior you are describing: racism.

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Sari, I'm going to play this in reverse:

Rabbi,

I must say I wonder about the collective punishment the Ameri-Christians have visited on hundreds of thousands of innocent people from Afghanistan and the AmeriChristian mass murder in Iraq.

Then I lament the ongoing Christian genocide of the Native Americans whose average annual income is under 6,000 per year.

The Christians (I include all denominations here) like to go and kill for oil and collectively punish one of the poorest nations in the world. They took over the land belonging to another people and then visited genocide, torture upon them, refuse to honor their treaty obligations with them. But the Christians don't lament. What scares the Christians is that people, like the Vietnamese of long ago, like some of us Jews, will come back for what's there. (Don't worry Euro-Christians, the spoils of your genocide won't be taken from you.)

We Jews don't have oil, so the three million of us, like me who are in exile from their homelands in the Middle East, some having been deported, others tortured and killed don't count. You never heard about us and you never hear about us. Yet, we are three million.

Jewish lives have always been disposable for the Christians, I understand, but so are many others. Take, for example, the lives of the Palestinian Christians, I mean the ones who have fled into Israel, those who are still leaving for Israel and elsewhere. They don't count either. The massive corruption in Palestine among the goons who run the government, while others starve is legendary doesn't bother the AmeriChristians. Check it out. Look at the homes with the four Mercedes. (Real Mercedes)

Now, Arafat's nephew with his massive corruption the Palestinians killed by themselves. HOwever, his "wife" is living it up in Paris. What happened to the last blond boy before he died we don't know.

Up until a couple of years ago, as the rabbi should know, Israel was taking in Sudanese refugees. That was until the Ethopian Jewish community finally rose up in a rage. Many, who had WALKED to Israel from Ethiopia, were held and tortured in the Sudan. The Ethiopians said, "We don't want to live among our torturers. Israel is a tiny country. Aren't there any Christian countries in the world who can help these people?"

Ah, but no, the Christians are busy genociding Afhanistan and Iraq, collective punishment and oil raping.

Lament, you should, Rabbi. Lament for the AmeriChristian companies with business interests in Sudan. Lament for us Jews, who are exiled from our native lands, who fled in the night, who couldn't get to Israel, and wound up here, living among the racists, killers.

Lament, Rabbi, for the failed Bill Clinton initiative, which the Israelis kept faith with in the midst of terror, which would have ended in a Palestinian state. Golda Meier said, "Israel won't die so that the world will think well of it."

She had it wrong. Dead or alive, the Christians don't think well of ous. After the Christians kill us, sometimes they tell nice stories about one or two of their co-religionists, who objected to their most recent murderous rampage.

Lament for us, Rabbi, for all of us. Lament for the Christians, whose hearts are hardened.

Read this thread, Rabbi.

Sari:
WHY PEOPLE?? You mourn and weep for the Palestinians but you show not support for the people of Darfur. Your tears are crocodile tears. Why should a rabbi not weep for the Darfurians? Why, simply because he is a rabbi and a Jew, must he carry the sins and failures of the Israeli government and Hamas and Fatah on his back. The issue in this article is Darfur and the Chinese. NOT the Palestinians and Israel.

The Janjaweed massacres Darfur's men, women, and children, conscripts child soldiers, engages in mass rape of Darfur's women, and razes villages by the dozen. The Israeli military does not do these things, and I teach about the Arab Israeli conflict so I know what I am talking about. Yes, the Israeli occupation is oppressive and must end, but one should not equate it with the brutality of the Janjaweed in Darfur. That is concept stretching of the worst and most ignorant manner humanly possible.

It is so common that anytime a Jew speaks about suffering in the world, they are condemned for the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Grow up. Cry for those suffering in the world, Palestinians included. If you only cry for the Palestinians because the "evil zionist aggressor" Jews are occupying them, then the limits of your sympathy stops when Jews are not doing the aggression.

In Darfur, Arab Muslims are killing black Muslims and this is being financed by atheist China. Is this somehow easier for you to accept? Is it more excusable?

This rabbi and other righteous people in the world are entitled to and should cry for all who suffer, whether the victim be Jew, Muslim, Christian, Hindu or Buddhist or the aggressor be Jew, Muslim, Hindu, Christian or Buddhist. Enough with the one trick ponies.

August 8, 2008 9:38 PM |

Arif:

Why isn't anybody winning Gold Medal in the Olympics from the Philippines, Haiti, Latin America--all Christian nations?

Who are you to tell anybody not to observe modesty as part of the culture?

Which countries have the highest rate of divorce and why?

Why do men in those countries use women as sex objects?

Why do men in those countries divorce multiple times as soon as these women get wrinkles?

How many times did Sarzosky married models only to divorce them soom after they got the wrinkles on their faces?

Where are women used as machines and not as human being only to be discarded after the machine is worn out?

Do you want to be given more?

Anonymous spews:
“All the statistics cited here by the Islamophobes are outdated and, therefore, false.”
AND
“The GDP of Abu Dhabi and Dubai, two tiny Emirate countries has already surpassed that of Spain.”

I have tallied the GDP of all the Arab countries that made the list cited below and that added up to 1.273 trillion dollars. Spain’s GDP alone is 1.439 trillion dollars.
The UAE of which Abu Dhabi and Dubai are part of have a total GDP of 0.193 trillion dollars. Most of that income comes from the sharp spike in the oil prices . How is it that those two emirates have surpassed Spain if the whole so-called Arab world have NOT?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)

Halozcel;
Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Dubai etc are rich nations with large petro dollar income. They have been rich for several decades however they account for a sprinkle of athletes. Sportsman they send for participation every Olympics have no medal perspectives. Sport is a sign of healthy competitive nations, notice too the countries that have sports representatives contribute to global well being; countries that are poor and political turmoil (read Islamic) contribute no athletes, perhaps a co-relation? It’s always great to see women athletes competing from rich or poor nations, the missing female athletes from Islamic countries is a crying shame. When will the rest of the world tell the Muslims not to be ashamed of their women's bodies? In the next Olympics perhaps we should include Burka 100 meter races or the burka 100 swim to entice the women of Mohammed’s religion to participate in sports. One billion people is a lot, maybe we should have special Islamic Olympics (SIO), where the women can swim, run in enclosed woman only arenas and their times are then compared with the free world athletes? Funded by petro dollars?
One Muslim asked why the lonely Palestinian swimmer was not present; perhaps the rich GDP Islamic Dubai could set up a fund to build a 50 meter pool for those Islamic swimmers? It will keep them Jihadi’s from hurling rocks at the Jews and also from exploding.

Jeff- "Victoria said: "The West" (A convenient euphmism for White people), literally can never have any legitimacy in the eyes of MOST people on this Earth to talk about high-minded ideals."

What on earth are you talking about?
Are you referring to General Omar Nelson Bradley's quote?

"We live in a world of nuclear giants and ethical infants, in a world that has achieved brilliance without wisdom, power without conscience. We have solved the mystery of the atom and forgotten the lessons of the Sermon on The Mount. We know more about war than we know about peace, more about dying than we know about living."-General Omar Nelson Bradley, Armistice Day, 1948

1) the words "the West" don't exist in that post
2) how is the West a "euphemism for white people"
3) I didn't write the article
4) I am a white person
5) Are you an idiot?

Victoria said: "The West" (A convenient euphmism for White people), literally can never have any legitimacy in the eyes of MOST people on this Earth to talk about high-minded ideals.

Oh and as for the enviroment, whose been emitting most of the C02 and industrial refug in the past 120 years? .... If you can get that one, maybe you can get on "Who Wants to be a million year" ...

That's right, I'm glad, India and China are reemerging. When they were the big dogs in the world, we didn't have so much evil. In fact, the short time when the European people were in charge (1700 - 2000s) will probably in the long run be remembered as the era of darkness. Especially the 20th century... "
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Victoria: your selective memory betrays your hypocrisy and racism. Why have you no memory of the thriving slave trade between Arabia and west Africa long before Europeans set foot in Africa? Why have you no memory of the wars and atrocities committed by Asians, such as the invasion and brutal occupation of Korea and China by the Japanese? Or the slave trade in Africa millenia ago?

Moreover, your stereotypes of "white" people show you to be just another bigot who can't look at these issues and contribute to a thoughtful discussion about them without spewing ridiculous characatures of whites as descendants of slave traders and invaders, or as supporters of the Bush administrations misquided domestic and international evangelism. People are individuals, not stereotypes.

All the statistics cited here by the Islamophobes are outdated and, therefore, false.

Thw world's poorest country in the Western hemisphere is Haiti--a Christian country.

Most of Latin America is Christian and is vastly underdeveloped.

The Philippines is one of the poorest Christian country in Asia.

While most of Europe is stagnating, the economies of the Middle East are thriving.

The GDP of Abu Dhabi and Dubai, two tiny Emirate countries has already surpassed that of Spain.

The Europeans stole the resources of Asia for two centuries. The biggest diamond of the world, The Kohi-Noor is in England--stolen from India.

The contemporary Muslim psyche has been shaped as a reaction to 200 years of European colonialism which sought to dominate Muslim people and appropriate their resources. A violent Muslim response to offensive cartoons, however, is totally unjustified.

The Europeans built world empires and laid seeds of future conflicts by posing as great democrats and do-gooders. The people of the Middle East and other Muslim nations are deeply suspicious of the European claims of democracy.

Who are these Islamophobes fooling? Perhaps themselves.

Reply to Arif and Ibrahim Mahfouz,

*Britain with population of 50 some million and team of 300+ athletes and Pakistan 160+ million and team 30+ athletes*

*total GDP of all the 23 Arab countries with 250 million population is less than that of Spain* or Canada with 30 some million.

Because,Islam(Desert Rules which based on stone age mentality) kills social life.Islam doesnt like woman athletes.Islam doesnt like Sport indeed.Woman in islam should stay at house,as written and wear black wrap.

Islam also kills Economy.Because,islam is brainwashing.One should worship five times in a day,so one who worship five times in a day can not produce anything exempt terror.

Islam is Poverty.Islam rejects Banking.*Islamic banking* is a manipulation.
Islam doesnt know what contemporary Justice is.Islam rejects man-woman equality.Shariah terminates Human Rights,Justice and Democracy.

Islam came to Egypt,and Civilization gone.Bogeywoman came and Cleopatra gone.
Islam came to Iran,and Center of Civilization,Persopolis died.

What a total farce of a post. Rabbi mourns for Darfur while today Israel builds more settlements in the West Bank, starves the Palestinians, razes their homes and farms. What staggering hypocrisy.

The third largest military force (Israel) and the most powerful military force (America) have been butchering Arabs and Muslims for 60+ years, and here the Rabbi dares to talk about China's human rights.

What about the fact that Israel was created by colonial support and is a colonial state created on the lands of people who had been living there for over a thousand year? How about you weep for them?

Hey, Rabbi, remember Israel's support for Pinochet and Apartheid South Africa? Remember those good old days?

Save the hypocrisy for people who don't know any better.

Dafur and Olympics:

It is true and a lesson for anyone:

Every example of wrong given, has a mirror image.

Were Israel the host for the Olympics, would a parallel
be found?

Arif wonders:
“How is it that Spain with a relatively small population come with 300 + athletes while the entire Islamic world comes with less than that amount of athletes.”

I wonder why the total GNP of all the 23 Arab countries with 250 million population is less than that of Spain , and why their combined armies were soundly defeated within six days by one tiny Jewish state.

Is there room in your heart for a lamentation for the people of Palestine? Did you notice how few members comprised the Palestinian brigade in the Olympics? Or the story of the Palestinian swimmer who did not even have one Olympic sized pool in his entire country to train in. Shame on Isreal and shame on you for your myopic and hypocritical critique of how one country should behave toeard another.

People will flight wars, its the ones who recognize their atrocities and reconcile who are gracious. Japan fought aggressive wars, what the US did in Nagasaki and Hiroshima was what any advanced force do to its enemies. Japan was the enemy of many back then. Japan is a friend now, look what wars with rational learning people do.
Muslims can be found in two states, oppressed and oppressors. They feel oppressed as minorities, by the nature of their "cult" they jihad until that is over. Why is it that Muslims cry wolf when Palestine is the issue, but when Saddam wiped out thousands they were silent. Why is it that Muslims are silent when Sudan treads on its poor? Why are they silent when they run apartheid Mecca or stifle minorities in their domain countries? Why can't they get along with people when they reach a certain threshold in populations? The Philippines, Kashmir, Pakistan, Kosovo, India, China... they want sharia.

On a side note why is it that Britain with a population of 50 some million come with a team of 300+ athletes to the Olympics? Why Pakistan with 160+ Million people come with a team of 30 some athletes? How is it that Spain with a relatively small population come with 300 + athletes while the entire Islamic world comes with less than that amount of athletes. Athletics needs no religion. India with over a billion people with fewer athletes than Israel with a population of 7 million.... I have to wonder.

Arif

Hey halozcel -
There were a multitude of ethnic groups with their own hitories and languages before the European powers got here. Many of those ethnic groups were wiped out totally. There were MULTIPLE HOLOCAUSTS. The native Americans were not assimilated - many were killed, their property taken and the rest sent to live in areas that nobody wanted.
In Africa there were also many seperate ethnic groups, goodness knows how many of them we helped wipe out with the slave trade (thanks Spain!).

Hey Sari - Sucks to be from Darfur, but what are we going to do about it? You think the USA can fix the problems of Africa? I don't. To fix Africa would take a decades long commitment of money and military resources, as well as good planning - it would never work under US leadership (as soon as the "Rebuild Africa" project starts you'd have opposition party members braying "why can't we fix America first?")
I don't have to weep for the people of Darfur - there are horrors going on around the world every dang day.

Halozel

In no european country was the support for Iraq [ muslims ]war more than 11%. Hundreds of thousands marched on the streets there.

Halozel

Why Japaneses,Chineses, Buddhists [Srilanka,Thailand] majority of the Hindus,Latinos,Russians,mexicans, etc dont hate muslims? and vice versa

Anonymous,

If muslims be hated,whose fault,mistake is this ?
Is it fault of muslims or fault of haters ?
Why Japaneses,Chineses,Hindus,Germans,Frenchmen,Latinos etc. be hated ?
What do muslims serve to Humanity and Civilization although some muslims have too much money ?
Dont play victim.Muslims(some of them) are not victims,but who disturb,annoy,bother,discomfort.

Victoria,

As a former basketball fan,didnt you watch LeBron James versus Chine ? What a big mistake !

Thanks Rabbi for the link- I'm not watching the Olympics- but I'm watching the link.

People in Dafur are blacks and Muslims- two reasons why they should be hated.

Still lots of crocodile tears!

Did you ever wonder why the entire Islamic/Arab world is tied up in a snit over the so called "plight of the Palestinians", when they hardly ever mention a word about the Islamic injustice and massacres being perpetrated in Darfur? As Ricky Ricardo would say to Lucie, I think Islam and Arabs have a lot of splainin' to do.

NAGASAKI AND HIROSHIMA

"We live in a world of nuclear giants and ethical infants, in a world that has achieved brilliance without wisdom, power without conscience. We have solved the mystery of the atom and forgotten the lessons of the Sermon on The Mount. We know more about war than we know about peace, more about dying than we know about living."-General Omar Nelson Bradley, Armistice Day, 1948

August 6th and 9th 2008, marks the 63rd anniversary of the most brutal act of terrorism upon innocent people; America's atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

At 2:45 AM, on August 6, 1945, an American B-29 bomber flew north from Tinian Island toward Japan. Three and a half hours later, the Enola Gay dropped "Little Boy" an 8,900-pound atomic weapon upon civilians in Hiroshima and leveled almost 90% of the city. On August 9, "Fat Man" was dropped on Nagasaki, and one third of that city was destroyed.

"Little Boy" was fueled by highly enriched uranium-235 and generated a destructive force of about 15 kilotons—the equivalent of 15,000 tons of TNT. "Fat Man" consisted of a plutonium core surrounded by high explosives wired to explode simultaneously and yielded a 22 kiloton explosion.

As a child, I could not comprehend how my country could cold bloodedly target and murder an estimated 110,000 Japanese citizens and severely injure another 130,000 innocent civilians in order to 'save' American lives, which was the response I always received from every adult I questioned.

As an adult, I am aggrieved that no government official has expressed sorrow for the lives that were vaporized and those that were devastated in 1945, or for the 230,000 innocent Japanese who had died from injuries and radiation poisoning by 1950.

If THAT DAY, we call 9/11 taught us anything, it should be that America's nuclear arsenal cannot defeat 'terrorism' or provide security from the actions of a few violent mad men who target and murder innocent ones.

America has a nuclear arsenal of over 10,000 weapons and nearly 2,000 remain on hair-trigger alert ever since the end of the Cold War.

An estimated 150 – 240 tactical nuclear weapons remain based in 5 NATO countries and the United States is the only country with nuclear weapons deployed on foreign soil.

American taxpayers provide $54 billion annually to maintain WMD's, which is but a drop in the bucket of the overall U.S. military spending. The U.S. is also a co-conspirator in international nuclear apartheid and collaborator in Israel's policy of nuclear ambiguity.
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FARNAZ- you said-
"Lament for us Jews, who are exiled from our native lands, who fled in the night, who couldn't get to Israel, and wound up here, living among the racists, killers."

We're not all racists and killers.
If it is Israel that is your hearts destination, and I'm not being funny here or trying to make you feel bad- but just out of curiosity- why couldn't you go there?

I was under the impression that Israel gave sanctuary to Jewish people seeking political asylum.
Am I incorrect in that assumption?

This is all very humerous. The Native American GENOCIDE wasn't genocide??? Maybe someone should alert our ignorant friend that in the 1500s -1600s, there were as many as 70 - 100 million peoples living in the Americas. This is out of 450 - 500 million people world-wide.

So, in a period of 200 years Eurpean Americans "absorbed 1/4 of mankind? Really? that's intresting then why is it that the White population of America looks so.... white? the native of America were classified by the antiquated colonialist as "mongoloid." I don't see many people that can be classified as that in America except for the relatively small but fast growing Asian American population (a recent group at that). And the phenotype would have certainly been more prevelent especially given the fact that European Americans didn't even double their African slave populations till the early 1800s in America....

Whenever European peoples talk abot "Genocide," it's funny cause the European peoples have been the perpetratros ofr the most horrific genocies in all of human history. To dissapear an entire continent is perhaps the greatest crime against mankind. But we all can forget about that, cause that's the past and the Europeans and their decsendents nowadays are so much more enligthened.... lol.

1. Enslave Africa
2. Exterminate the original Americans
3. Start numerous colonial and imperial enterprises

Does anyoen know hwo many Indians died from the Great mutiny? 40 million. Thanks England, host of 2012 Olympics.

Does anyone know how many Chinese died from the Opium Wars? 30 - 40 million, thanks England and France.

"The West" (A convenient euphmism for White people), literally can never have any legitimacy in the eyes of MOST people on this Earth to talk about high-minded ideals.

Oh and as for the enviroment, whose been emitting most of the C02 and industrial refug in the past 120 years? .... If you can get that one, maybe you can get on "Who Wants to be a million year" ...

That's right, I'm glad, India and China are reemerging. When they were the big dogs in the world, we didn't have so much evil. In fact, the short time when the European people were in charge (1700 - 2000s) will probably in the long run be remembered as the era of darkness. Especially the 20th century...

"On Faith": where the anti-Semites come out to play.

Disgusting.

The reality is that in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, both the Palestinians and the Jewish people of Israel are the victims.
The British and other European colonial powers of the past laid the foundations for future conflicts in several parts of the world before they had to leave their former colonies, such as Kashmir (conflict between India-Pakistan), Palestine (Palestine-Israel), Iraq-Kuwait, to name just a few.
People must realize that colonialism has changed only in form, not in its goals.
It is time for the Palestinians, the Israelis, and all the people of the Middle East as well as the people of India and Pakistan to settle their differences and make peace.
All life is precious--Jewish, Christian, Hindu, Palestinian or anything else. If we think more in terms of all of us being humans and not Israelis, Palestinians, there would be peace. All sides will have to learn respect for life and human dignity to bring peace.

Unfortunately, Darfur is part of the Chinese colonial ambitions.

Thank you for posting this most important article, and the link to the darfurolympics.org
website.

Persian Jew Farnaz,

2500 years ago(537 BCE) Persian Cyrus the Great had saved Jewish people,but 2500 years later,Persia ousted Jewish people.
Irony of Fate.Irony of History.

*Ongoing Christian genocide of the Native American* is not correct opinion.
High-leveled Civilization assimilated Native Americans(North America).To me,*Genocide* is not suitable word and dilutes the *real genocide* in Germany.

My name is Yusuf Estes, former Christian turned Muslim, chaplain for the United States institutionalized inmates, now retired.
I must support some of the comments being made by the Rabbi in regard to actions necessary for affirmative demonstration by all of us concerned with the present conditions around the world.
Boycotting and peaceful demonstration has always been a way for us common folk to express our dissatisfaction and disgust toward those in authority on occassions like these.
I was just in another part of Africa - Johannesburg, South Africa a few months back when the xenophobia - murdering of innocent people in the streets - was taking place. At first, it seemed only the media was concerned about this horrible genocide taking place right out in the open, and even then more so from the point of view of the sensationalism, perhaps more so for the sensationalism than anything else.
We moved about cautiously from place to place constantly looking about for signs of the next attact of these self styled vigilantes. The locals were trying to drive out or exterminate the refugees who had just escaped from their own countries where similar bloodshed and rampage was becoming unbearable.
Actually, Darfur is only one of many serious problems for Muslims, Christians and people of faith around the world today.
Doubtless, we easily observe large corporations and even governments profiteering from the very oppressions they claim opposition to in their broad statements and declarations calling for world peace, unity and justice. All of this while at the same time turning a blind eye, or worse, even participating in the financial and political gains arising from these conflicts in so many places around the globe.
Again, peaceful demonstrations and boycotting of businesses and abstaining from products or services offered by these large companies is an affective way to bring awareness not only to the public, but to the very people who can and might - make a difference when making decisions in the future.
Consider the impact Muslims made on the Danish exporters of dairy products when they had satrized and mocked the prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, with their cartoon contest. Look at the immeidate concerns and even a few apologies coming from their producers there.
Bottom line: There is still a peaceful and righteous way for all of us in the world today to stand up (literally) and say, "We are not going to support you - as long as you support terrorism"
More? My website - islamnewsroom .com
Peace - Yusuf Estes

Winston Churchill about Palastinian struggle

'I do not believe that the dog in the manager has the right to the manager,simply because he has lain there for so long.I do not believe that the Red Indian has been wronged in America,or the black man has been wronged in Australia,simply because they have been displaced by a higher, stronger race.'

Churchill quoted in Editorial, 'Scurrying towards Bethlehem',New Left Review,2nd series [July/August2001],p.9,n.5

I fail to understand why those who say they care about Darfur don't press the United States and other countries to provide the funding needed to put the United Nations Peacekeepers in place? There is agreement on a force, but no money from the Western countries that are supposed to fund it.

Nor is there talk about the destructive role played by other countries in funding and arming some of the guerrilla armies involved (including countries allied to the US and France). While the deaths are terrible, it is not only government against unarmed civilians. There is a kind of proxy war going on.

Nearby the US maintains a huge military base in Somalia, and Ethiopia, with US support, has tried to create a government in Somalia, but lacks resources or will to be able to do so. Why is there no concern of criticism over the situation in Somalia, where millions also face starvation and where conditions are truly terrible?

If Darfur is an appropriate issue for the Olympics, why isn't Somalia, or the Middle East, or the various other conflicts in the world (Iraq, Afghanistan anyone)? How about other issues that may contribute to the death of millions?

Global Warming is said by the UN to have aggravated the situation in Sudan, what about the part played by Americans in refusing to face up to its responsibilities around this issue>

The first question should not be about Darfur, as terrible as it is, but about whether and how much politics should play a role in sporting events, both national and international.

The supporters of making Darfur an issue should answer this. If Darfur is a one time exception, why? If not, do we change the rules, and allow, nay require that athletes state their positions on such issues before they take their pole positions?

If Darfur disqualifies China, what on earth qualifies England? Or America?

"Sari: Why should a rabbi not weep for the Darfurians? Why, simply because he is a rabbi and a Jew, must he carry the sins and failures of the Israeli government and Hamas and Fatah on his back. The issue in this article is Darfur and the Chinese."

Sari, there is a word for the sort of behavior you are describing: racism.

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Sari, I'm going to play this in reverse:

Rabbi,

I must say I wonder about the collective punishment the Ameri-Christians have visited on hundreds of thousands of innocent people from Afghanistan and the AmeriChristian mass murder in Iraq.

Then I lament the ongoing Christian genocide of the Native Americans whose average annual income is under 6,000 per year.

The Christians (I include all denominations here) like to go and kill for oil and collectively punish one of the poorest nations in the world. They took over the land belonging to another people and then visited genocide, torture upon them, refuse to honor their treaty obligations with them. But the Christians don't lament. What scares the Christians is that people, like the Vietnamese of long ago, like some of us Jews, will come back for what's there. (Don't worry Euro-Christians, the spoils of your genocide won't be taken from you.)

We Jews don't have oil, so the three million of us, like me who are in exile from their homelands in the Middle East, some having been deported, others tortured and killed don't count. You never heard about us and you never hear about us. Yet, we are three million.

Jewish lives have always been disposable for the Christians, I understand, but so are many others. Take, for example, the lives of the Palestinian Christians, I mean the ones who have fled into Israel, those who are still leaving for Israel and elsewhere. They don't count either. The massive corruption in Palestine among the goons who run the government, while others starve is legendary doesn't bother the AmeriChristians. Check it out. Look at the homes with the four Mercedes. (Real Mercedes)

Now, Arafat's nephew with his massive corruption the Palestinians killed by themselves. HOwever, his "wife" is living it up in Paris. What happened to the last blond boy before he died we don't know.

Up until a couple of years ago, as the rabbi should know, Israel was taking in Sudanese refugees. That was until the Ethopian Jewish community finally rose up in a rage. Many, who had WALKED to Israel from Ethiopia, were held and tortured in the Sudan. The Ethiopians said, "We don't want to live among our torturers. Israel is a tiny country. Aren't there any Christian countries in the world who can help these people?"

Ah, but no, the Christians are busy genociding Afhanistan and Iraq, collective punishment and oil raping.

Lament, you should, Rabbi. Lament for the AmeriChristian companies with business interests in Sudan. Lament for us Jews, who are exiled from our native lands, who fled in the night, who couldn't get to Israel, and wound up here, living among the racists, killers.

Lament, Rabbi, for the failed Bill Clinton initiative, which the Israelis kept faith with in the midst of terror, which would have ended in a Palestinian state. Golda Meier said, "Israel won't die so that the world will think well of it."

She had it wrong. Dead or alive, the Christians don't think well of ous. After the Christians kill us, sometimes they tell nice stories about one or two of their co-religionists, who objected to their most recent murderous rampage.

Lament for us, Rabbi, for all of us. Lament for the Christians, whose hearts are hardened.

Read this thread, Rabbi.

WHY PEOPLE?? You mourn and weep for the Palestinians but you show not support for the people of Darfur. Your tears are crocodile tears. Why should a rabbi not weep for the Darfurians? Why, simply because he is a rabbi and a Jew, must he carry the sins and failures of the Israeli government and Hamas and Fatah on his back. The issue in this article is Darfur and the Chinese. NOT the Palestinians and Israel.

The Janjaweed massacres Darfur's men, women, and children, conscripts child soldiers, engages in mass rape of Darfur's women, and razes villages by the dozen. The Israeli military does not do these things, and I teach about the Arab Israeli conflict so I know what I am talking about. Yes, the Israeli occupation is oppressive and must end, but one should not equate it with the brutality of the Janjaweed in Darfur. That is concept stretching of the worst and most ignorant manner humanly possible.

It is so common that anytime a Jew speaks about suffering in the world, they are condemned for the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Grow up. Cry for those suffering in the world, Palestinians included. If you only cry for the Palestinians because the "evil zionist aggressor" Jews are occupying them, then the limits of your sympathy stops when Jews are not doing the aggression.

In Darfur, Arab Muslims are killing black Muslims and this is being financed by atheist China. Is this somehow easier for you to accept? Is it more excusable?

This rabbi and other righteous people in the world are entitled to and should cry for all who suffer, whether the victim be Jew, Muslim, Christian, Hindu or Buddhist or the aggressor be Jew, Muslim, Hindu, Christian or Buddhist. Enough with the one trick ponies.

Let's say an Arab family from Damascus, Syria, moved to Haifa or Tel Aviv in the 1920s or 1930s to find employment in a developing area. Would that family be considered Palestinian?

China = BUYER of 70% of Sudan's Oil = Payment in Chinese ARMS = DEATH OF Black Darfur African - a TOTAL "KILL-OFF" and SCATTER = ARABISATION (via rape-uproot-decimate-scatter-constant turmoil) = Janjaweed Oil Money PAYOFFS = OIL and CHINESE BULLETS AND MUNTIONS AND MONEY = CHINESE-"VETO" support of SUDAN at UN SECURITY = Anti-God-CHINESE CONFUCIAN TACTICS TAUGHT TO (so called ISLAMIC)ARABIC-SUDANESE ... with the CHINESE LAUGHING AWAY and FATTENING UP ON BLOOD OF BLACK AFRICANS AND BLACK OWNED AND WRESTED AWAY OIL!!!

TOTAL "WIPE OUT" OF BLACK African or "NUBIAN" traces of CIVILIZATION - they even wantonly wanted to bury all traces of early NUBIAN Civilization archeological digs and places under water --- TOTAL WIPE OUT of origin of SUDAN is HARD AND FAST TRACKED, under way !!! WITH CHINESE 110% involvement!!!

CHINESE and ARAB LEAGUE = BASHIR doing THE sudden "PR" = TOTAL WOOL over EVERY GULLIBLE person with CHINESE CONFUSION (CONFUCIAN) TACTICS and strategies === PURE SIMPLE HEGEMONY and GENOCIDE INCOMPARABLE - NAZI STYLE WITH GOBS OF GUILE and FINESE AND PROXY !!!

What can one say in response? Isn't the propaganda so obvious. While the rabi's heart weeps for the genocide in darfur, the rabi supports genocide of innocent palestinians and arabs. Shame on you rabi! Shame on you washington post.

While I agree that individual Palestinian terrorists have done terrible things to innocent Israelis, Israel's policy of collective punishment towards all Palestinians is a terrible violation of the law "An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth."

Of course, not all Jewish people support Israel's current government and policies just as not all Americans support Bush's and McCain's policies and approach. But until the United States and Israel both change their ways, any indictment of another nation must begin with an indictment of their own.

What does the rabbi say about the ongoing post-1947 Jewish genocide of Palestinians?

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The tragedy we should be lamenting as JEWS is that we have become the occupiers of an entire nation of former citizens of Palestine.

HYPOCRISY IN UN-JEWISH!

How can we keep people in a ghetto as was done to us in europe?

Don't tell me about violence while you build thousands of illegal settlements and annex lands so the palestinians cannot achieve a viable nation of their own!

Violence - it cuts both ways.
Oppression - It cuts both ways.

It is time for Jews to stand up against the fundamentalists in every religion and make peace with our cousins.

It is time for honorable, peace loving muslims to REJECT their fundamentalists and re-take the future for the children, in peace.

Yes, I'm boycotting the Olympics because of China's communist government's crimes against humanity and our environment.

..But LONG AGO I promised G-d I would not go to the Holy land until the palestinians are freed. ...I intend on keeping the promise NO MATTER WHAT!

LAMENT!

Man, you are pathetic. For once in a while, The Beijing Olympics is NOT about you or your political agenda. Let the Chinese have their little moment and let the Olympics be the Olympics again.

...between the Palestinians and the people of Darfur. The people of Darfur were never given the choice of full rights and peaceful coexistence, and therefore never chose the opposite for themselves.

Bush and other leaders go to the opening
ceremonies of the Olympics in China,
continue to do business with China,
while whispering criticisms of China's
human rights policies.
China sees this and does the same in Darfur.

If you think Darfur is bad, Rabbi, then you should visit some Palestinian refugee camps, and ponder on the effects of 60 years of brutal repression.

So some people are just starting to get that all they hype around the Olympics is just to sell Soda, and it really isn't about the brotherhood-of-man? Guess I won't bring up speculation about the Easter Bunny.

How about this - instead of condemning the treatment of the Sudanese by their terrible government, something that we are not going to do a thing about, why not use your influence where it could help? Like in Israel/Palestine, where the Palestinians have been chased from their homes, beaten, imprisoned, tortured and killed for decades. Treating an entire people in horrible ways because they aren't "the right race" or "the right religion" is WRONG, be they people in Sudan or Palestine.

Of course the writer will do nothing, because it's so much easier to condemn people who are different from you, not your own religion.

And what about what is happening in the Palestinian territories?

Pot - kettle - black are words that spring to mind...