CCNL

Sorry you have lost the straight path.

Spark, Spark, Spark,

Are you hopelessly brainwashed in Islam?? Do you want to escape its horrific dictates of warmongering, womanizing and world domination??

Well your salvation is at hand as below are the Five Steps for Deprogramming/"Deflawing" Islam.

Using "The 77 Branches of Islamic "faith", a collection compiled by Imam Bayhaqi as a starting point. In it, he explains the essential virtues that reflect true "faith" (iman) through related Qur’anic verses and Prophetic sayings." i.e. a nice summary of the Koran and Islamic beliefs.

"1. Belief in Allah"

"aka as God, Yahweh, Zeus, Jehovah, Mother Nature, etc." should be added to your cleansing neurons.

"2. To believe that everything other than Allah was non-existent. Thereafter, Allah Most High created these things and subsequently they came into existence."

Evolution and the Big Bang or the "Gib Gnab" (when the universe starts to recycle) are more plausible and the "akas" for Allah should be included if you continue to be a "creationist".

"3. To believe in the existence of angels."

A major item for neuron cleansing. Angels/devils are the mythical creations of ancient civilizations, e.g. Hittites, to explain/define natural events, contacts with their gods, big birds, sudden winds, protectors during the dark nights, etc. No "pretty/ugly wingy thingies" ever visited or talked to Mohammed, Jesus, Mary or Joseph or Joe Smith. Today we would classify angels as fairies and "tinker bells". Modern devils are classified as the demons of the demented.

"4. To believe that all the heavenly books that were sent to the different prophets are true. However, apart from the Quran, all other books are not valid anymore."

Another major item to delete. There are no books written in the spirit state of Heaven (if there is one) just as there are no angels/"pwtfft"s to write/publish/distribute them. The Koran, OT, NT etc. are simply books written by humans for humans.

Prophets were invented by ancient scribes typically to keep the uneducated masses in line. Today we call them fortune tellers.
Prophecies are also invalidated by the natural/God/Allah gifts of Free Will and Future.

"5. To believe that all the prophets are true. However, we are commanded to follow the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) alone."

Mohammed spent thirty days fasting in a hot cave before his first contact with Allah aka God etc. via a "pretty wingy thingy". Common sense demands a neuron deletion of #5. #5 is also the major source of Islamic violence i.e. turning Mohammed's "fast, hunger-driven" hallucinations into horrible reality for unbelievers.

Accept these five "cleansers" and we guarantee a complete recovery from your Islamic ways!!!!

Thomasbaum:

You asked:
This "Islamic Movement" as you call it is for world domination, is it not?

You also stated that this "Islamic Movement" was started by "Allah's Messenger".

I take this to be Mohammed, am I correct?

Islamic movement was not a new, it was the revival of true faith in one God - The God of Abraham,Moses and Jesus. Its purpose was to the domination of right over wrong and good over evil and not as you perceived.
Yes Allah's massenger means Muhammad.
The Jews killed many prophets who were born in them and as promised in OT he was a prophet too but the Jews refused to admit this fact as he do not belong to their community.

A man may say to his wife "I love you" but he beats her and does not provide for her. Does he love her?
A wife says to her husband "I love you" but when he desires sex she does not agree to it. Does she love him?
A child says to his parents "I love you" but he disobeys them most of the time. Does he/she love them?
Love must be translated in action, attitude and behavior, otherwise it is just a word without meaning. Similarly Allah's love is translated in His attributes of forgiving, compassion and mercy. Look around and you will find that Allah's mercy is spread all around. "Bismillahir-Rahmanir-Raheem" means "In the name of Allah the Most Merciful, the Most Compassionate." The words are AR-RaHMan and AR-RaHeeM. AR represents the article AL, meaning "the". The root word is RHM, which may be read as RaHiMa or RaHaMa, means mercy. Allah does not use two identical words next to each other unless there is a difference in their meaning.

The Bible says "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." (John 3:16 NKJV). The converse of this statement is that the rest of humanity will perish, that is, will go to hell without any other way of receiving His forgiveness for the sin they did not commit. What happens to the people who were born and died before God decide to concoct this charade only 2000 years ago?
In the Qur'an Allah says that He does not love those who reject Him (3:32), does not love those who are transgressors (2:57, 140, 5:87, 7:55), does not love those who are evil-livers (5:64), does not love evil talk (4:148) and others. In all these cases love is connected to the deeds of a person. At the same time Allah does not deprive them of anything in this life. You will not find that all good people are rich and all sinners are living in poverty and a wretched life. Allah gives a person life-long opportunity to turn away from the life of sin and disobedience and receive His forgiveness. Conversely, Allah says, "Say, if you love Allah, obey me (Muhammad), Allah will love you and forgive you your sins, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful" (3:31).

Spark, Spark, Spark,

They followed the great hallucinator because he had a sword on their throats.

SPARK1

You wrote, "The Qur'an adopts its own style to suit the guidance of the Islamic Movement that was started by Allah's Messenger under His direct command. Accordingly, Allah revealed the Qur'an piece-meal to meet the requirements of the Movement in its different stages."

This "Islamic Movement" as you call it is for world domination, is it not?

You also stated that this "Islamic Movement" was started by "Allah's Messenger".

I take this to be Mohammed, am I correct?

How can this even relate to the Old and New Testament considering there is no continuity but is a total rejection of the Old and New Testament, even tho it takes some from both the Old and New Testament but then says that what is in the Old and New Testament is a lie, not misinterpreted but a lie.

And yet Mohammed is suppose to be a messenger of the God of the bible?

As I have said, Love is God's Very Being and that God is a Trinity and that Jesus is God-Incarnate.

I do not try to put a bunch of labels on God except to say that God is a Being of Love, Love is not an attribute of God but is His Very Being, this is no label, this is Truth.

The god of islam is not God, but as I have said: God is a searcher of hearts and minds, not of religious affiliations or lack thereof and that it is important what one does and why one does it and what one knows.

God's Plan which God has had since before creation and is unfolding before our very eyes will come to Fruition.

The seventh day shall arrive even tho the night of the sixth day will come first.

Take care, be ready.

Sincerely, Thomas Paul Moses Baum.

CCNL

Those non-believers at the time of Muhammad were harder than you in opposing Muhammad PBUH but ultimately followed him.

I wait for they day when sense prevail upon you.

Spark, Spark, Spark,

Stop for a moment or two and think hard about the foundation of Islam i.e. the hallucinations of one warmongering, womanizing Arab!!! Does this not concern you?? It should and until it does you are flapping your words in the winds of a sand storm!!!

Understand the style of Quran :

As a matter of fact, this Book is not irrelevant anywhere with regard to is Subject, its Central Theme and its Aim. From its very beginning to its end, the different topics it deals with are so intimately connected with its Central Theme that they may be likened to the beautiful gems of the same necklace, despite their different colours and sizes. The Qur'an keeps the same object in view, whether it is relating the story of the creation of the earth or of the Heavens or of man or is referring to the manifestations in the universe or stating events from human history. As the aim of the Qur'an is to guide man and not to teach nature study or history or philosophy or any other science or art, it does not concern itself with these latter subjects. The only thing with which it is concerned is to expound the Reality, to remove misunderstandings and misconceptions about it, to impress the Truth upon the minds, to warn them of the consequences of wrong attitudes and to invite humanity to the Right Way. The same is true of the criticism of the creeds, of the moral systems, of the deeds of men and communities and of its disussions of the problems of metaphysics etc. That is why it states or discusses or cites a thing only to the extent relevant to its aims and objects and leaves out unnecessary and irrelevant details and turns over and over again to its Central Theme and to its invitation round which every other topic revolves. When the Qur'an is studied in this light, no doubt is left that the whole of it is a closely reasoned argument and there is continuity of subject throughout the Book.
The Qur'an adopts its own style to suit the guidance of the Islamic Movement that was started by Allah's Messenger under His direct command. Accordingly, Allah revealed the Qur'an piece-meal to meet the requirements of the Movement in its different stages.

Shark says:
“A person who do not believe that Quran is Word of God cannot be impartial judge or scholar rather a party.”

What follows is a description of the book this person believes to be the literal words of God and expects reasoning humans to do likewise.
“A book with no chronology of events or a sustained theme other than a supremacist diatribe , incitement against the other and obsession with sex and violence. It is riddled with inconsistencies and outright contradictions. It lists legends and myths from Arab, Persian and Sumerian pagans along with embellished stories and quotations from the Old and New Testaments as well as the Jewish Talmud and pre-Islamic Arab poets. It is full of scientific heresies, mathematical mistakes, historical blunders, grammatical errors and logical fallacies. The book talks of flying horses, speaking ants and arguing birds. It describes an afterlife gardens with rivers of wine and honey and brimming with young black eyed receptive beauties placed there along with preteen boys, who double as bartenders, to service the believers in Mohammad ibn Abdalla of 7th Century Arabia and his ideology.”

The hate-filled Islamophobics, none of these people are historians, nor theologians. Which discredits everthing they said.
See site: "http://www.islamtomorrow.com" great examples of NON-MUSLIMS, very knowledgeable.

Wolfgang Goethe, perhaps the greatest European poet ever, wrote about Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him. He said:
"He is a prophet and not a poet and therefore his Koran is to be seen as Divine Law and not as a book of a human being, made for education or entertainment."
(Noten und Abhandlungen zum Weststlichen Dvan, WA I, 7, 32)

From the singular CCNL:

Mahound's continuing sermon/terror-

Mohammed was an illiterate, womanizing, lust and greed-driven, warmongering, hallucinating Arab, who also had embellishing/hallucinating/ plagiarizing scribal biographers who not only added "angels" and flying chariots to the koran but also a militaristic agenda to support the plundering and looting of the lands of non-believers.

This agenda continues as shown by the massacre in Mumbai, the assassinations of Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh, the conduct of the seven Muslim doctors in the UK, the 9/11 terrorists, the 24/7 Sunni suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the 24/7 Shiite suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the Islamic bombers of the trains in the UK and Spain, the Bali crazies, the Kenya crazies, the Pakistani “koranics”, the Palestine suicide bombers/rocketeers, the Lebanese nutcases, the Taliban nut jobs, and the Filipino “koranics”.

And who funds this muck and stench of terror? The warmongering, Islamic, Shiite terror and torture theocracy of Iran aka the Third Axis of Evil and also the Sunni "Wannabees" of Saudi Arabia.

Let the readers make decision about IQ

This Last Sermon was delivered more than 1400 years ago. The modern civilization is not 300 years old see it includes all charter of human rights, still anyone doubt Muhammad the Prophet
pbuh.

The Last Sermon of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is guidance, light and a message not only for the Muslims but the entire mankind as he (PBUH) addressed the audience as “O People” not only as “O Muslims”. This sermon is poignant with wisdom and guidance. It is the crux all his teachings. He also stressed that anyone who comes across this message must communicate it to others.

“There is no God but Allah, the One; He fulfilled His promise and granted victory to His bondsman (Muhammad PBUH), and He alone routed the confederates (of the enemies of Islam). O’ People! Listen to my words, for I do not know whether we shall ever meet again and perform Hajj after this year.
1.O’ Ye people! Allah says, ‘O’ people We created you from one male and one female and made you into tribes and nations, so as to be known to one another. Verily in the sight of Allah, the most honoured amongst you is the one who is most God-fearing.’
2. There is no superiority for an Arab over a non-Arab and for a non-Arab over an Arab, nor for the white over the black nor for the black over the white except in God-consciousness.
3.All mankind is the progeny of Adam and Adam was fashioned out of clay.
4.Behold; every claim of privilege whether that of blood or property, is under my heels except that of the custody of the Kaaba and supplying of water to the pilgrims, O’ people of Quraish, don’t appear (on the Day of Judgment) with the burden of this world around your necks, whereas other people may appear (before the Lord) with the rewards of the hereafter. In that case I shall avail you naught against Allah.
5.O people of Quraish! Allah has put an end to your conceit and there is no room for you to be proud of the accomplishments of your forefathers.
6.O’ people! Verily your blood, your property and your honor are sacred and inviolable until you appear before your Lord, as the sacred inviolability of this day of yours, this month of yours and this very town (of yours). Verily you will soon meet your Lord and you will be held answerable for your actions.
7.Take heed not to go astray after me and strike one another’s necks.
8.He who (amongst you) has any trust with him, he must return it to its owner.
9.Every Muslim is the brother of every other Muslim, and all the Muslims form one brotherhood.
10.And your slaves; see that you feed them with such food as you eat yourselves, and clothe them with the clothes that you yourselves wear.

Part2.

11.Behold! All practice of the days of ignorance are now under my feet. The blood revenges of the days of ignorance are remitted. The first claim on blood I abolish is that of Ibn Rabiah bin Harith who was nursed in the tribe of Sa’ad and whom the Hudhayls killed.
12.All interest and usurious dues accruing from the times of ignorance stand wiped out. And the first amount of interest that I remit is that which Abbas ibn Abd Al Muttalib had to receive. Verily it is remitted entirely.
13.O’ people! Allah, the Mighty and Exalted, has ordained to every one his due share (of inheritance). Hence there is no need (of special) testament for an heir (departing from the rules laid down by the Shariah).
14.He who attributes his ancestry to other than his father or claims his clientship to other than his master, the curse of Allah is upon him.
15.All debts must be repaid, all borrowed property must be returned, gifts should be reciprocated and a surety must make good the loss to the assured.
16.Nothing of his brother is lawful for a Muslim except what he himself gives willingly. So do not wrong yourselves.
17.Behold! It is not permissible for a woman to give anything from the wealth of her husband to anyone but with his consent.
18.O’ people! Verily you have got certain rights over your women and your women have certain rights over you. It is your right upon them to honour their conjugal rights, and not to commit acts of impropriety, which if they do, you are authorized by Allah to separate them from your beds and chastise them, but not severely, and if they refrain, then clothe and feed them properly.
19.Treat the women kindly, since they are your helpers and not in a position to manage their affairs themselves. Fear Allah concerning women, for verily you have taken them on the security of Allah and have made their persons lawful unto you by words of Allah.

Part 3. continued

20.Verily I have left amongst you that which will never lead you astray, the Book of Allah, which if you hold fast you shall never go astray.
21.And beware of transgressing the limits set in the matters of religion, for it is transgression of (the proper bounds of) religion that brought destruction to many people before you.
22.Verily, the Satan is disappointed at ever being worshipped in this land of yours, but he will be pleased by obedience in anything (short of worship that is) in matters you may be disposed to think insignificant, so beware of him in your matters of religion.
23.Behold! Worship your Lord; offer prayers five times a day; observe fast in the month of Ramazan; pay readily the Zakat (poor due) on your property; and perform pilgrimage to the House of God and obey your rulers and you will be admitted to the Paradise of your Lord.
24.Beware! No one committing a crime is responsible for it but himself. Neither the son is responsible for the crime of his father, nor is the father responsible for the crime of his son.
25.Let him that is present, convey it unto him who is absent, for many people to whom the message is conveyed may be more mindful of it than the audience.
And if you were asked about me, what would you say? People answered, ‘We bear witness that you have conveyed the trust (of religion) and discharged your ministry of Prophethood and looked to our welfare.’ Thereupon Allah’s Messenger lifted His forefinger towards the sky and then pointing towards people said: “Be my witness O Allah, Be my witness O Allah, Be my witness O Allah that I have conveyed your message to your people.”

CCNL
Helozcel1
Abhab

(You - All three in one person)

1. You vilify Islam by cut paste on this forum from months. I repeated my view point in response even what it was a week before therefore your objection is wrong.

2. Unreasonable attitude like yours needs to be ignored first hand

3. A person who do not believe that Quran is Word of God cannot be impartial judge or scholar rather a party. You are present on these blogs with nafarious intentions against muslims and Islam therefore do not deceive the readers by running false inquries about Islam.

Some of your posts are so foolish that they make this forum shy.

Thomasbaum:

Mere conjectures cannot form the basis of any rational thought. What you said now once again need evidence not what you think.
My postion about the attributes of God is as below:
He has neither name nor body, there is nothing to compare Him with, nor is there an example to give.
- He has neither form nor limits.
- He has no place of rest, no structure (house), nor any condition or state.
- He is neither this nor that, neither here nor there, neither full nor empty, neither sitting nor standing, neither moving
nor still, neither darkness nor light.
- He is not an individual (needing a soul).
- No place is empty of Him and nothing can contain Him.
- He possesses neither color nor smell.
- His Being is above all things.

Hi
As a specialist in fighting the official islamic terros ideology I asert that the ideology of the armed islamic organizations is identical with the official one in all islamic countries. So fighting only the armed org. would never help.
Plz Read about the Muslims Imams Teaching and write your comments :
The Official Muslims Imams Judgment In killing Christians Pastors
http://blogg.expressen.se/anti-terrorism/

See also
the first and unique church of Mohamad
http://www.youtube.com/user/MohamadsChristChurch

God Bless You
Gud Bless all christians countries

SPARK1

You forgot one: Mohammad the deceived.

As I have said before, I do not hold it against Mohammed that he was deceived.

Jesus told us that satan was a liar and a thief, a deceiver. satan is also a loser, a sore loser.

As I have said before: God wins, satan loses, a tie is unacceptable.

Take care, be ready.

Sincerely, Thomas Paul Moses Baum.

SPARK1

Why do you think that God became One of us?

It is because God cares for ALL OF US.

God's Plan is for ALL OF HUMANITY to be with God in God's Kingdom.

Jesus, God-Incarnate, tried to teach us to care for one another whether or not they cared for us in return.

Jesus, God-Incarnate, never said that one who followed God and His Will would have everything go honky-dory in this life, as a matter of fact, He said that it might go quite differently.

God is a Trinity and God is a BEING OF PURE LOVE.

God has had His Plan since before creation and His Plan will come to Fruition.

As I have said before, God is not a He, a She or an It, even tho God-Incarnate was a Male, I use the masculine pronoun because it comes in handy even tho it is inaccurate unless speaking of God-Incarnate.

God is not the egomaniac that some think that He Is, there are some that are right with God that don't even believe in God and there are some that are not right with God that do believe in God.

In other words, God is a searcher of hearts and minds, not of religious affiliations or lack thereof and it is important what one does and why one does it and what one knows.

Take care, be ready.

Sincerely, Thomas Paul Moses Baum.

shark,

Do you respect to your own mother ?

You are doing cut and paste.Your post about the founder of islam was the exact copy of your post one week ago.

I dont try to smear anything.What I only ask *show me the fruits/results of islam/submission*
You write *discussion* Who wants to discuss with you ? First of all,you dont know what islam is.

Islam/submission doesnt need to be smeared,everyone sees islam in everywhere and everyone reads muslim posters and everyone understands the level,quality and IQ of muslims.

You,such as many other submission followers,are *palaver writer* and *myth sayer*
You dont know islam and *islamic concepts*

Spark pontificates thus:

“Islam is a vibrant religion, progressing with time and terror claims against Muslims and Islam are false and are based on prejudices.”

Islam could be described in many ways but "vibrant" and "progressive" are not amongst them.
Terror is not the only sin of Islam. There are plenty other and are result of our observations and not prejudices. Prejudice is a hallmark of Islam and Muslims. Their theology puts down any one who do not subscribe to their belief system. They even discriminate among their many different sects; the Sunni against the Shia, against the Ahmadi against the Yazidi against the Bahai against the Druze, against the Wahabi etc.

"When you do not believe that Quran is Word of God then what sense it makes to go into details and hence into senseless discussion."

Translation: Blind faith, unencumbered by intellectual inquiry, is the answer. Folks, meet Islam.

"These are the 'hearts and minds' that the Bush administration spoke so much about, but did too little to win." Come on, Eboo - tell us how you REALLY feel about Bush in your 'non-partisan' articles!

Spark, Spark, Spark,

Stop for a moment or two and think hard about the foundation of Islam i.e. the hallucinations of one warmongering, womanizing Arab!!! Does this not concern you?? It should and until it does you are flapping your words in the winds of a sand storm!!!

I am sick and tired of these so called 'moderate' , educated American Muslims railing against America and its foreign policy towards Muslim nations.

How about a word on what Muslims are doing to us and themselves? How about the treatment of minorities in 57 intolerant Muslim lands? Can you even find them and if so are they free to practise their religion? in Saudi? Iran? Iraq? UAE? How about the treatment of women?

To those who are doing smearing cut/pastes:

Listen what the prominent personalities have to say about Islam and Prophet Muhammad:

"...[The Prophet] conquered and subjugated minds, spirits, hearts, and souls. He became the beloved of hearts, the teacher of minds, the trainer of souls, and the ruler of spirits." - Bediuzzaman Said Nursi; The Words

"Prophet Muhammad, upon him be peace, proclaimed true freedom to humanity, and ingrained in human consciousness that all human beings are equal before the law. He established that superiority lies in virtue, piety, and morality. He regarded proclaiming the truth against all oppressors and oppressive thought as a kind of worship." - M. Fethullah Gulen; Pearls of Wisdom

"...without a standing army, without a bodyguard, without a palace, without a fixed revenue; if ever any man had the right to say that he ruled by the right divine, it was Mohammed, for he had all the power without its instruments and without its supports." - Bosworth Smith;Mohammad and Mohammadanism

"Four years after the death of Justinian was born at Mecca, in Arabia the man who, of all men exercised the greatest influence upon the human race...Muhammad..." - John William Draper; A History of the Intellectual Development of Europe

"I have studied him - the wonderful man - and in my opinion far from being an anti-Christ he must be called the savior of humanity." - George Bernard Shaw; The Genuine Islam

A quesstion that is rarely raised...

What is the responsiblity of the so called Moslem world to educate itself about Western values and fight against Al Qaeda from within?

If the West bears a responsibity to better undrestand Islam, then doesn't Islam bear a responsibility to better undestand the West including Israel?

Seems to me its a two way street, but I most often only see a one way sign.

CCNL - Abhab - Helozcel1

Like Farnaz are you all three in one?

I find similarity in your posts and that you three wake-up at the same time.

Helocel1
Abhab

You cannot defame Islam by a smear campaign because you find internet to play hide and seek.

Sorry you have nothing new to say.
When you do not believe that Quran is Word of God then what sense it makes to go into details and hence into senseless discussion.

Intentions matters - with filthy intentions even you cannot give respect to your own mother.

Spark,

1-The fruit of islam/submission,the fruit of islam tree.That is the issue.
Islam/submission is the quran,not the founder.Lets suppose that the founder of islam was the best man in the Human history(he had married with a six year-old child girl when he was fifties,genocided Qurayza tribe,had Asma bint Marvan murdered and took *read* revelation but he was unlettered) what changes ? What changes if he was the best man in History ?
Show me the fruit of islam/submission.....
Write a islamic country where people live in confort...

2-Islam/muslims/submission followers believe in allah,not God.Allah of quran(take care,I say *allah of quran*,not allah of Arabs) has no any correlation with God and Son of God/Son of Jew in Bible.
Son of bedouin was the messenger of allah,not God in Bible.
If allah is the Creator of Universe(Trillion multiply trillion planets and stars),does he stay in the wooden hut in the middle of desert ?

If we keep focusing on demonizing a religions in order to defeat our ememies we will never win, all religions have their negative impacts as well as positive ones. Most all have liturature that speaks of destroying ones enemies, because all of that liturature, though inspired by God (should you have that belief) was written by humans with human failings. Then that same liturature is often interpreted by those who wish to garner great power. Athiests are not immune to the same cruelties to there enemies either. It's time we focus on the real problem, those people who abuse power for their own gain.

Spark quotes some Hindu as saying in part:
“Muhammad , the prophet of Islam, which means peace, (was) the Refuge for orphans; Muhammad the Protector of slaves; Mohammad the Emancipator of woman; Muhammad the husband ….”

First and foremost Islam means “submission” and never meant anything else, least of all peace.
Next Mohammad as:
Refuge for orphans? He did the Muslim orphans a horrible disservice for all times by criminalizing adoption. The excuse he used to validate this huge blunder was to simply exonerate his lust for and marriage to his daughter-in-law.
Protector of slaves? He could have easily abolished slavery, especially in the lands he and his henchmen occupied and that would not have negatively affected him and his followers in any way.
Emancipator of women? If Muslim women are emancipated I truly wonder how would they have been treated had they not been emancipated.
Muhammad the husband? Husband to how many? Does that include all those other concubines and the one night stands “who presented themselves to the prophet of Allah“? Was he a good husband to all that army of women?

For all Muslims:

The Five Steps to Deprogram/Deflaw Islam-

Using "The 77 Branches of Islamic "faith", a collection compiled by Imam Bayhaqi as a starting point. In it, he explains the essential virtues that reflect true "faith" (iman) through related Qur’anic verses and Prophetic sayings." i.e. a nice summary of the Koran and Islamic beliefs.

"1. Belief in Allah"

"aka as God, Yahweh, Zeus, Jehovah, Mother Nature, etc." should be added to your cleansing neurons.

"2. To believe that everything other than Allah was non-existent. Thereafter, Allah Most High created these things and subsequently they came into existence."

Evolution and the Big Bang or the "Gib Gnab" (when the universe starts to recycle) are more plausible and the "akas" for Allah should be included if you continue to be a "creationist".

"3. To believe in the existence of angels."

A major item for neuron cleansing. Angels/devils are the mythical creations of ancient civilizations, e.g. Hittites, to explain/define natural events, contacts with their gods, big birds, sudden winds, protectors during the dark nights, etc. No "pretty/ugly wingy thingies" ever visited or talked to Mohammed, Jesus, Mary or Joseph or Joe Smith. Today we would classify angels as fairies and "tinker bells". Modern devils are classified as the demons of the demented.

"4. To believe that all the heavenly books that were sent to the different prophets are true. However, apart from the Quran, all other books are not valid anymore."

Another major item to delete. There are no books written in the spirit state of Heaven (if there is one) just as there are no angels/"pwtfft"s to write/publish/distribute them. The Koran, OT, NT etc. are simply books written by humans for humans.

Prophets were invented by ancient scribes typically to keep the uneducated masses in line. Today we call them fortune tellers.

Prophecies are also invalidated by the natural/God/Allah gifts of Free Will and Future.

"5. To believe that all the prophets are true. However, we are commanded to follow the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) alone."

Mohammed spent thirty days fasting in a hot cave before his first contact with Allah aka God etc. via a "pretty wingy thingy". Common sense demands a neuron deletion of #5. #5 is also the major source of Islamic violence i.e. turning Mohammed's "fast, hunger-driven" hallucinations into horrible reality for unbelievers.

Accept these five "cleansers" and we guarantee a complete recovery from your Islamic ways!!!!

Islam is a viberant religion progressing with time and terror claims against Muslims and Islam are false and are based on prejudices.

The stature of the Prophet (PBUH great indeed; as the author of the book "Islam and Modern Age" a Hindu professor wrote the following about Prophet Muhammad (PBUH): The Prophet of Islam which means peace.

"The personality of Muhammad! It is most difficult to get into the truth of it. Only a glimpse of it I can catch. What a dramatic succession of picturesque scenes. There is Muhammad the Prophet, there is Muhammad the General; Mohammad the King; Muhammad the Warrior; Muhammad the Businessman; Mohammad the Preacher; Mohammad the Philosopher; Mohammad the Statesman; Mohammad the Spokesperson; Mohammad the reformer; Muhammad the Refuge for orphans; Muhammad the Protector of slaves; Mohammad the Emancipator of woman; Muhammad the husband; Muhammad the father; Muhammad the educator; Muhammad the Law-giver; Muhammad the Judge; Muhammad the Saint and etc. In all these magnificent roles, in all these departments of human activities, he is like a hero! Orphan hood is an extreme form of helplessness and his life upon this earth began with it; Kingship is the height of material power and it ended with it! From an orphan boy to a persecuted refugee and then to an overlord, spiritual as well as temporal, of a whole nation and arbiter of its destinies, with all its trials and temptations, with all its vicissitudes and changes, its lights and shades, its ups and downs, its terror and splendor, he has withstood the fire of the world and came out unscathed to serve as a model in every face of life. His achievements are not limited to one aspect of life, but cover the whole field of human conditions."

clearthinking1
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Your problem is that you are non-believers.

Do not think that by committing denial man does or can do the least harm to Almighty God. Insignificant speck on the face of a tiny ball in this limitless universe that man is, what harm can he do to the Lord of the Universe Whose dominions are so infinitely vast that we have not yet been able to explore their boundaries even with the help of the most powerful telescope; Whose power is so great that myriads of heavenly bodies, like the Earth, the Moon, the Sun and the stars are, at His bidding, whirling like tiny balls; Whose wealth is so boundless that He is the sole Master of the whole universe: and Who provides for all and needs none to provide for Him? Man's revolt against Him can do Him no harm: on the other hand, by his disobedience, man treads the path of ruin and disgrace.
The inevitable consequence of this revolt and denial of reality is a failure in the ultimate ideals of life. Such a rebel will never find the thread of real knowledge and vision; for knowledge that fails to reveal its own Creator can reveal no truth. Such a man's intellect and reason always run astray; for reason which errs about its own Creator cannot illumine the paths of life.
Such a man will meet with failures in all the affairs of his life. His morality, his civic and social life, his struggle for livelihood and his family life, in short, his entire existence, will be unsatisfactory. He will spread confusion and disorder. He will, without the least compunction, shed blood, violate other men's rights and generally act destructively. His perverted thoughts and ambitions, his blurred vision and distorted scale of values, and his evil activities will make life bitter for him and for all around him.
Such a man destroys the calm and pose of life on earth. And in the life hereafter he will be held guilty for the crimes he committed against his nature. Every organ of his body — his brain, eyes, nose, hands and feet — will complain against the injustice and cruelty he had subjected them to. Every tissue of his being will denounce him before God Who, as the fountain of justice, will punish him as he deserves. This is the inglorious consequence of denial. It leads to the blind alleys of utter failure, both here and hereafter.

Eboo,

As Ronald Reagan said, "There you go, again" acting like an apologist for Islamic terrorism - as if the violence that is at the core of Islam today and throughout history is not the problem.

You wrote: "These are the 'hearts and minds' that the Bush administration spoke so much about, but did too little to win." Really?

The problem is not Americans not trying hard enough - look at what we did for Muslims in Kosovo, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kuwait, Chechnya, Pakistan. Even in Iraq, the target was a secular, anti-islamic dictator. The amount of money America has spent developing these primitive cultures like Saudi Arabia is enormous.

Saudi Arabia is the source of Islam, Wahabiism, 9/11 terrorists, funding for madrassas and extremism in Pakistan and Afghanistan, support of Taliban, oppression of women, discrimination against minorities and other religions, etc...
What more would you like? Billions more for Pakistan and Egypt, and more construction help and F-16's for Saudis? Would that have won the heart and mind of Mohammed Atta?

The hearts and minds of Islamic nations are violent because the heart of Islam, the Koran, and their culture is violent.

I have written previously that cutting heads of lambs while chanting from the Koran leads to cutting heads of fellow humans. Please read today's story (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090218/ap_on_re_us/wife_beheaded;_ylt=Aqj5pUmUWV9DsJKiQ0HuprsDW7oF) about Muzzammil "Mo" Hassan from Buffalo, NY and about his wife's head (curiously, this "moderate" chose beheading of wife). What should be done to win his heart and mind?

The real problem of violence is much too deep within Islam, and can never be changed - its in the Koran. Everyone acknowledges this except apologists for terrorism. This is why George Bush, Obama, Hillary Clinton all say "Islam is a religion of Peace". It's a bit tongue in cheek, but what else can they do?

lavdad2wrote:

"Isn't that fear the very basis of religion? Fear of eternal damnation or hope of rewards in heaven is what motivates religious people."

Perhaps for some, even most, but that fear generates a society that is better to live in than one that only believes in the empirical. The best way to live in a society governed by atheism is to fool everyone else into behaving morally while you cheat to get ahead. After all, barring getting caught and punished by the legal system, why shouldn't you cheat?

BTW, everyone who believes in a higher moral authority doesn't believe in a "spirit in the sky".

"And in the atheist worldview, what is the punishment for beheading your wife, or beating your wife, or cheating on your wife or cheating on your taxes or stealing from the corners store?
Sure there are laws against such things in most countries but if you rely purely on the fear of getting caught and punished, you are living in a broken society."
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The punishment for any crime is not and should not be determined by any particular "world view" or "religion." I don't allow myself to be naive enough to believe that people don't know right from wrong. Further, that if they commit a crime, that they don't know they are going to be punished in some way.

I doubt that anyone could know ALL Atheists, or All Christians or ALL Muslims for that matter, much less, what is in their hearts. But what does that matter? The point I was trying to make, is that Atheists apparently DON'T HAVE some regimented 'spiritual guidance' which leads them to believe that murder of their fellow man and/or decapitation of their wife is acceptable behavior. You can shoot me for not being PC but as a result, given a choice, I would rather have the Atheist neighbor than the Muslim one. And I'm still waiting for the outrage from the Muslim community over this morning's news. (Mr. Patel, where are you?) A similar incident in California some years ago nearly monopolized the air waves and the news pages for years. Why aren't we seeing today's story being repeated ad-nauseum?

LAVDAD2

You wrote, "Don't cast stones at what you fail to understand. The morals of Atheists are stronger than those of most religious people because they come from deep within their hearts, not from some "Spirit in the sky"."

Do you speak for all Atheists?

Do you know all Atheists?

Take care, be ready.

Sincerely, Thomas Paul Moses Baum.

In response to edbyronadams who said, "And in the atheist worldview, what is the punishment for beheading your wife, or beating your wife, or cheating on your wife or cheating on your taxes or stealing from the corners store?

Sure there are laws against such things in most countries but if you rely purely on the fear of getting caught and punished, you are living in a broken society."

Isn't that fear the very basis of religion? Fear of eternal damnation or hope of rewards in heaven is what motivates religious people.

Don't cast stones at what you fail to understand. The morals of Atheists are stronger than those of most religious people because they come from deep within their hearts, not from some "Spirit in the sky".

"Puh-leeze! I'll take Atheism any day."

And in the atheist worldview, what is the punishment for beheading your wife, or beating your wife, or cheating on your wife or cheating on your taxes or stealing from the corners store?

Sure there are laws against such things in most countries but if you rely purely on the fear of getting caught and punished, you are living in a broken society.

Amen RWSParkle.

And just this morning we learn of a well-educated Muslim man who has beheaded his wife (and mother of his children) upon her attempt to divorce him. Let's be sure to watch for the outrage (NOT!) in the Muslim community this heinous, cowardly act. After all, Islam is such a peaceful, family-oriented religion. Puh-leeze! I'll take Atheism any day.

Our War on Terror and Aggression:

An update (or how we are spending or how we have spent the USA taxpayers’ money to eliminate global terror and aggression)

The terror and aggression via a Partial and Recent Body Counts:

1a) 179 killed in Mumbai/Bombay, 290 injured

1b) Assassination of Benazir Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh

2) 9/11, 3000 mostly US citizens, 1000’s injured

3) The 24/7 Sunni-Shiite centuries-old blood feud currently being carried out in Iraq, US Troops, 3,402 combat and 822 non-combat) and 90,253 – 98,521I raqi civilians killed, http://www.iraqbodycount.org/ and
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/casualty.pdf

4) Kenya- In Nairobi, about 212 people were killed and an estimated 4000 injured; in Dar es Salaam, the attack killed at least 11 and wounded 85.[2]

5) Bali-in 2002-killing 202 people, 164 of whom were foreign nationals, and 38 Indonesian citizens. A further 209 people were injured.

6) Bali in 2005- Twenty people were killed, and 129 people were injured by three bombers who killed themselves in the attacks.

7) Spain in 2004- killing 191 people and wounding 2,050.

8) UK in 2005- The bombings killed 52 commuters and the four radical Islamic suicide bombers, injured 700.

Other elements of our War on Terror:

1. Saddam, his sons and major henchmen have been deleted. Saddam's bravado about WMD was one of his major mistakes.

2. Iran is being been contained. (beside containing the Sunni-Shiite civil war in Baghdad, that is the main reason we are in Iraq. And yes, essential oil continues to flow from the region.)

3. Libya has become almost civil. Recently Libya agreed to pay $1.5 billion to the victims of their terrorist activities Apparently this new reality from an Islamic country has upset OBL and his “crazies” as they have threatened Libya. OBL sure is a disgrace to the world especially the Moslem world!!! Or is he???

4. North Korea is still uncivil but is contained. With the opening up of rail traffic between North and South Korea after 50 years and with the assistance of the US Navy in retrieving NK ships and personnel hopefully a fresh sense of civility is afoot.

5. North Korea was taken off the terrorist country list recently.

6. Northern Ireland is finally at peace.

7. The Jews and Palestinians are being separated by walls. Hopefully the walls will follow the 1948 UN accords and the Annapolis Peace Conference is at least somewhat successful. Unfortunately the recent events in Gaza has put this situation back to “square one”. And this significant stupidity is driven by the mythical foundations of both religions!!!

8. Bin Laden has been cornered under a rock in Western Pakistan since 9/11.

9. Fanatical Islam has basically been contained to the Middle East but a wall between India and Pakistan would be a plus for world peace. Ditto for a wall between Afghanhistan and Pakistan.

10. Timothy McVeigh was executed. Terry Nichols will follow soon.

11. Eric Rudolph is spending three life terms in prison with no parole.

12. Jim Jones, David Koresh, Kaczynski, the "nuns" from Rwanda, and the KKK were all dealt with and either eliminated themselves or are being punished.

13. Islamic Sudan, Darfur and Somalia are still terror hot spots.

14. The terror and torture of Muslims in Bosnia, Kosovo and Kuwait were ended by the proper application of the military forces of the USA and her freedom-loving friends. Radovan Karadzic was finally captured on 7/23/08 and is charged with genocide, crimes against humanity and violations of the law of war -- charges related to the 1992-1995 civil war that followed Bosnia-Herzegovina's secession from Yugoslavia.

15. And of course the bloody terror brought about the Japanese, Nazis and Communists was with great difficulty eliminated by the good guys.

"The truth is, there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al Qaida. And any informed intelligence officer knows this. But there is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an identified entity representing the 'devil' only in order to drive the TV watcher to accept a unified international leadership for a war against terrorism. The country behind this propaganda is the US . . ."

-- Former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook

In George Orwell's classic "1984," his world was held together by continuous and unending war: In the book his concept was defined by video clips of HATE, broadcast several times a day during which the population (in the novel) was required to watch and rave against the ENEMY. Those who rule this nation now, seek to use Al Qaeda as the 2005 version of the terror created in '1984' by proclaiming the now infamous phrase "Links to Al Qaeda!"

Since the war began in Afghanistan, the administration has been using this completely damning and completely empty phrase at every opportunity. "Damning " because the phrase carries all the unspoken horror, and all the unspecified terror that our Bandits want the world to feel - every time there is any activity that the USA disapproves of. "Empty" because nothing, despite Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib, has ever been publicly found, no trials have been held that we know of, and no one has been convicted of being part of Al Qaeda - except the dead. So - What exactly is Al Qaeda?

Al Qaeda was created by the CIA, in their offices in Washington D.C., According to Richard Clark in his most recent book. It was created for Saudi Arabia to bankroll Osama bin Laden, through the House of Saud, "in the Afghan war against the Soviet Union during the 1980's and Riyadh and Washington together contributed an estimated $3.5 billion to the mujahideen."

When are you people going to do some research and learn the truth. The entire "war on terror" was manufactured, and was iniciated by the false flag 911 attacks, that were perpetrated by the mossad, CIA and factions in the Bush administration. Then they reach into their hats and pull out "al qaeda" to blame it on. It's the oldest trick in the book. The mouse taunts the cat, the cat chases the mouse, the mouse runs to the sleeping dog and hits him in the head with a stick and then hands the stick to the cat. Dog kills cat. Arabs = cat, israel = mouse and dog = USA. Get a clue folks.

As a reminder to the "reality challenged" Eboo Patel: The worst book ever written, i.e. the koran, feeds the hate and stupidity of all Muslim terrorists groups. As long as this book remains the foundation of Islam, nothing will change.

The worst book ever written, i.e. the koran, feeds the hate and stupidity of all Muslim terrorists groups. As long as this book remains the foundation of Islam, nothing will change.

"These are the 'hearts and minds' that the Bush administration spoke so much about, but did too little to win."

Good grief. Did little to win?? Bush went out of his way, including visiting a Mosque and speaking from there just days after 9-11, to make sure people understood that it was not Muslims that committed this crime, but radicals. How much money poured into Iraq to rebuild schools, water mains? And didn't our soldiers hand out school supplies to children? Didn't our soldiers hand out teddybears and candy to the children? Didn't the warring factions of Iraq turn their back on Al Qeada and participate in a free election? Didn't they side with us?

Just because you don't want to give Bush credit for these things, doens't mean that the Iraqi people and Muslims in general won't.