abhab:
Do you believe in something or your upper chamber in empty?
Are you a new born "intellectual" who knows more than millions and millions of people who follows Islam since more than 1400 years.
intentional dishonesty is not any form of learning and therefore no reason or argument is suitable for you.
May be you can pray before a "SHIV LUNG"
and you as a jack of all must be knowing what it is.
Can you tell the readers what you believe in?

How can a human who uses his powers of intelligence and observation believes he can gain favor with his Creator by rotating around a stone, kissing it and facing it five times a day? How can even an imbecile believe in a book to be the exact word of the Creator of the Universe when that book is riddled with contradictions, silly fables and illogical absurdities and incitements against the rest of God's creation?

Posted by: abhab | May 15, 2009 11:41 AM
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The answer: Faith

The existence of the "sacred" and rituals are essential ingredients of all religions. Who are you to decide for what others should believe or not believe in?
You are free to get lost. "There is no compulsion in religion."

Speaking of contradictions: People in the West believe that "our women are free". Yes, they are "free" only to be exploited by men.

How serious is the matter of domestic violence in the West? The answer: very serious.

If our women in the West are "free", then why is there so much domestic violence? Why is there so much distrust between men and women? Why is there a need for "prenuptial agreements"? Why is there such a high rate of divorce? Free at last, Free at last.

Why are teen age pregnancies on the rise again. Yes, free to be exploited.

Shark pontificates thus:
“It (Islam) also repeatedly instructs man to use his powers of intelligence and observation”.

How can a human who uses his powers of intelligence and observation believes he can gain favor with his Creator by rotating around a stone, kissing it and facing it five times a day? How can even an imbecile believe in a book to be the exact word of the Creator of the Universe when that book is riddled with contradictions, silly fables and illogical absurdities and incitements against the rest of God's creation?

hsnkhwj,

Had you read Ayaan Hirsi Ali's autobiography, you would realize that she would have been assassinated had she gone back to Somalia or any other Islamic- controlled country. Had she stayed in Europe, she would have been assassinated by the same Islamic crazies who killed Theo Van Gogh.

CCNL:

Sometimes I wonder if Ayan Hirsi Ali could get a job of $10,000/year in her native land of Somalia. People with master's degree are dime a dozen. Her scheme worked for her by lying on her visa application and selling anti-Islam diatribe to right wingers and getting paid handsomely for it.

Now she can ponder "over a drink" how she fooled the right wingers.

Hmmm, and did not Shark2 at one time have a green card or is my recollection in error??

The USA is famous for many things. One is to give shelter to those persecuted for their religion.

Again, read Ayaan Hirsi Ali's autobiography and get back to us when finished.

CCNL:

What a stupid argument! there are several thousand pesons who want a green card on the same terms as Hirisi got - are you ready to support their migration to US.?

If she was a honest writer with a conscience of her own,she should have remained in her own country along with her biography. false yelling breads null results.

Shark2, Shark2, Shark2,

Like the Baha'ists formerly of Iran, Ayaan Hirsi Ali fled to the USA to escape the terror and tyranny of Islam. Apparently you have not read her autobiography.

And as reward Hirisi was given American green card.
What sort of truth is this? You sell your self and your story for green card. If she was honest she should be living in her native country. what a shameful favour.

hsnkhwj,

Your comments sound a bit cultish? Baha'ist? Some type of Islamic cult? Anti-learning cult? Hmmm???

CCNL keeps at his job at "cut and paste" again and again. His is the case of OBSESSIVE, COMPULSIVE PERSONALITY DISORDER.
People get tired of reading the same things over and over but he never gets tired of his "cut and paste" job.

Shark, Shark, Shark,

More mud to throw on Islam :

- from Ayaan Hirsi Ali's autobiography, "Infidel".(in case you have not read the book)

"Thus begins the extraordinary story of a woman born into a family of desert nomads, circumcised as a child, educated by radical imams in Kenya and Saudi Arabia, taught to believe that if she uncovered her hair, terrible tragedies would ensue. It's a story that, with a few different twists, really could have led to a wretched life and a lonely death, as her grandmother warned. But instead, Hirsi Ali escaped -- and transformed herself into an internationally renowned spokeswoman for the rights of Muslim women."
ref: Washington Post book review.

four excerpts:

p. 47 paperback issue:

"Some of the Saudi women in our neighborhood were regularly beaten by their husbands. You could hear them at night. Their screams resounded across the courtyards. "No! Please! By Allah!"

p.68:

"The Pakistanis were Muslims but they too had castes. The Untouchable girls, both Indian and Pakistani were darker skin. The others would not play with them because they were untouchable. We thought that was funny because of course they were touchable: we touched them see? but also horrifying to think of yourself as untouchable, despicable to the human race."

p.309

"Between October 2004 and May 2005, eleven Muslim girls were killed by their families in just two regions (there are 20 regions in Holland). After that, people stopped telling me I was exaggerating."

p. 347

"The kind on thinking I saw in Saudi Arabia and among the Brotherhood of Kenya and Somalia, is incompatible with human rights and liberal values. It preserves the feudal mind-set based on tribal concepts of honor and shame. It rests on self-deception, hyprocricy, and double standards. It relies on the technologial advances of the West while pretending to ignore their origin in Western thinking. This mind-set makes the transition to modernity very painful for all who practice Islam".

An some mud to throw on the Baha'i cult that absorbs some of Islamics tenets?

http://www.uhj.net/- a bit of weirdness???

"Singled out as Authentic – as the only Institution in the world that has the living descendant of King David as its president, the great grandson of 'Abdu'l-Baha seated upon the throne of King David which is to last forever (Psalm 89) – this House alone, the true UHJ, has the Divine Power and God given Knowledge through the “KEY of DAVID” to heal the world of all its ills and guide a wayward and forlorn humanity back out of the gloom of the darkness of war into the light of real fellowship, truth, felicity and brotherly love in the shade of the divine and holy Tree of Life – man reunited with God in the garden of God as this earth was meant to be – in fulfillment of this sacred verse."

There was not anything new which Bin Laden learn as Islam is not a new religion, but the same truth that God revealed through all His prophets to every people. For a fifth of the world's population, Islam is both a religion and a complete way of life. Muslims follow a religion of peace, mercy, and forgiveness, and the majority have nothing to do with the extremely grave events which have come to be associated with their faith.

Among the reasons for the rapid and peaceful spread of Islam was the simplicity of its doctrine - Islam calls for faith in only One God worthy of worship. It also repeatedly instructs man to use his powers of intelligence and observation.

The people who are throwing mud on Islam in their posts are not honest scholars seeking truth but on the contrary they are prejudice to the very core of their heart.
These cowards hide their own false beliefs while critisize Islam.

Eboo writes: "Bin Laden's fist was clenched as a teenager, not by large abstractions like being Arab or Muslim"

Really?

The Koran and large abstractions like Muslim culture (e.g. constant and continual beheading of animals and humans) inspires people to act more like Bin Laden than Gandhi.

Continual denial of this relationship between Islam and violence by apologists for Islam is the real problem. How can you fix a problem without acknowledging it and facing it?

Bin Laden's nothing more than a spoiled rich kid with enough money and influence to play at soldiers with a ready supply of followers. No different from the rest.

Cause, frankly, that's all I'm hearing from certain sectors, here. 'Obviously, he did what we're telling you to do with the wrong *brand* of snake oil.'

Maybe the fact that thinking this way never *helps* has something to do with why *none* of the 'great book-traditions' ever yield significantly-different results if made into 'wars.'

"Yes, bin laden's inspiration and teacher is Koran. He will tell you that with pride.

jassprit"

If you think the only reason he's full of it is cause the brand name of book he chose, you're in no position to teach better.

Yes, bin laden's inspiration and teacher is Koran. He will tell you that with pride.

Eboo explains Bin Laden's worldview thus:
"That fundamental idea - that my identity is in inherent and inevitable conflict with your identity, and that a glorious destiny for my people requires me to destroy your people - marked bin Laden's life.”

Isn’t that the main theme of the Quran?
http://www.answering-islam.org/Terrorism/islam_and_violence.html -

The way I see it is that this man is being more honest about his faith than those apologists who would have us believe that “Islam” is synonym with “ peace.”

Facing Islamic History-

For those eyes that have not seen-

Mohammed was an illiterate, womanizing, lust and greed-driven, warmongering, hallucinating Arab, who also had embellishing/hallucinating/plagiarizing scribal biographers who not only added "angels" and flying chariots to the koran but also a militaristic agenda to support the plundering and looting of the lands of non-believers.

This agenda continues as shown by the massacre in Mumbai, the assassinations of Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh, the conduct of the seven Muslim doctors in the UK, the 9/11 terrorists, the 24/7 Sunni suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the 24/7 Shiite suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the Islamic bombers of the trains in the UK and Spain, the Bali crazies, the Kenya crazies, the Pakistani “koranics”, the Palestine suicide bombers/rocketeers, the Lebanese nutcases, the Taliban nut jobs, and the Filipino “koranics”.

And who funds this muck and stench of terror? The warmongering, Islamic, Shiite terror and torture theocracy of Iran aka the Third Axis of Evil and also the Sunni "Wannabees" of Saudi Arabia.

Current crises:

The Sunni-Shiite blood feud and the warmongering, womanizing (11 wives), hallucinating founder.