Farnaz's issues with honesty are well documented.

Farnaz, the "professed" Jewish atheist, also "claims" to be an expert on Iranian affairs because she was forced to leave Iran many years ago and therefore has an unbiased view and yet she considers Ayaan Hirsi Ali who was born and raised in three Islamic countries and suffered many of the humiliations enforced on Islamic women via dictates of the koran is biased is a ridiculous claim on Farnaz's part.

From Ayaan Hirsi Ali's autobiography, "Infidel".

"Thus begins the extraordinary story of a woman born into a family of desert nomads, circumcised as a child, educated by radical imams in Kenya and Saudi Arabia, taught to believe that if she uncovered her hair, terrible tragedies would ensue. It's a story that, with a few different twists, really could have led to a wretched life and a lonely death, as her grandmother warned. But instead, Hirsi Ali escaped -- and transformed herself into an internationally renowned spokeswoman for the rights of Muslim women."
ref: Washington Post book review.

four excerpts:

p. 47 paperback issue:

"Some of the Saudi women in our neighborhood were regularly beaten by their husbands. You could hear them at night. Their screams resounded across the courtyards. "No! Please! By Allah!"

p.68:

"The Pakistanis were Muslims but they too had castes. The Untouchable girls, both Indian and Pakistani were darker skin. The others would not play with them because they were untouchable. We thought that was funny because of course they were touchable: we touched them see? but also horrifying to think of yourself as untouchable, despicable to the human race."

p.309

"Between October 2004 and May 2005, eleven Muslim girls were killed by their families in just two regions (there are 20 regions in Holland). After that, people stopped telling me I was exaggerating."

p. 347

"The kind on thinking I saw in Saudi Arabia and among the Brotherhood of Kenya and Somalia, is incompatible with human rights and liberal values. It preserves the feudal mind-set based on tribal concepts of honor and shame. It rests on self-deception, hyprocricy, and double standards. It relies on the technologial advances of the West while pretending to ignore their origin in Western thinking. This mind-set makes the transition to modernity very painful for all who practice Islam".

And Professor JD Crossan (and On Faith panelist) bases his conclusions about the historic Jesus on an exhaustive review of all the scriptural and non-scriptural literature and archeology from the first to third centuries, CE. Such expertise is hardly biased !!!!

WE have posted links on Mr. Gul, most recently on the last blog. CCNL should be informed that other threaders will not serve as his librarian.

He should also be informed that "answers.com" is not the be all and end all of sources. Neither is Ayan Hirsi, who is hardly "unbiased," nor J.D. Crossan "unbiased." CCNL is advised to stop posting biased sources and to go back on his meds.

Some links on Musavi have been posted on Jacoby's thread. See also D. Brumberg's article on this blog, which is good as far as it goes.

And we still wait for Farnaz's unbiased references that she used to describe Abdullah Gul the President of Turkey and Mir Hussein Moussavi of Iran.

Dear Liberals,

REad about the Centennial Commission Act. Perhaps, you will find pleasant things to say. Moi, je recall deregulation, the Air Traffic Controller strike, Reaganomics.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/06/president-signs-ronald-reagan-centennial-commission-act-alongside-mrs-reagan.html

taksimbirki,

Here is the link for the full text of the Centennial Commission Act.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-131

Mostly, I think what this should be a lesson about is ...all you zombies here in America who think theocracy, even an 'elected' one, would be a *grand* idea.

Look.

Eboo:

Taksisomething or other is flooding your web page with gibberish that maybe no one understands but himself.
Eboo! Do you not read those comments? And if you do should you not stipulate that they be written in English? We live in an English speaking country and not Monkeystan. Or maybe you have other ideas?

Farnaz, Farnaz, Farnaz,

And the unbiased documents (author, journal, newspaper report, dates, page number, web addresses etc.) supporting YOUR statements are ????

Mousavi is an Islamic leftist who supported Homeini in the Islamic Revolution.

His recent endorsement of secular reform, freedom of information, etc., is to be viewed with a degree of skepticism. The disintegration of the economy, however, suggests that he may have begun dialogue with "the West."

The economy of Iran, which should be among the strongest in the Middle East, is a disaster. Unlike what some may think, Ahmedinejad was not first elected for his Jew-hating rhetoric. To the extent that his first election victory was legitimate, an extent that was not large, it was based on his promise of economic reform, a promise that he did not keep.

As a glance at any of the Iranian web sites shows, in the weeks preceding the election, he threw money at the poor at a level that alarmed Iranian economists. Since his puppet reign, there has been worker demonstration after worker demonstration as the promise of employment did not materialize. Ahmedinejad beat up and jailed the protesters.

Until and unless the army cuts loose Homeini, unlikely, until and unless external election monitors are stationed at every voting site, the situation in Iran will not change.
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Posted by: Farnaz1Mansouri1 | June 16, 2009 5:23 PM

Abdullah Gul the President of Turkey is a psychotic Islamist who refers to both Jews and Christians as "bacteria" and "vermin." This disgrace to the human race has repeatedly claimed that "the Jews orchestrated the crusades." (sic)

He needs to go. Big time. Turkey will never be admitted to the EU so long as he and his ilk are dragging it back into primitive thinking. Turkey must reform, admit its crimes against Cyprus, Armenia, and do penance. Admit its antisemitism and do penance.

Reform must begin immediately. It is already very, very late in the day.

Hmmm, a lot of commentaries without background references:

For information on Mir Hussein Moussavi see,

http://www.answers.com/topic/mir-hossein-mousavi?method=26&initiator=CANS

Now the debate can begin!!!

Off topic but since it has come up, see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullah_G%C3%BCl for background information about Abdullah Gul, the current president of Turkey.

Mousavi is an Islamic leftist who supported Homeini in the Islamic Revolution.

His recent endorsement of secular reform, freedom of information, etc., is to be viewed with a degree of skepticism. The disintegration of the economy, however, suggests that he may have begun dialogue with "the West."

The economy of Iran, which should be among the strongest in the Middle East, is a disaster. Unlike what some may think, Ahmedinejad was not first elected for his Jew-hating rhetoric. To the extent that his first election victory was legitimate, an extent that was not large, it was based on his promise of economic reform, a promise that he did not keep.

As a glance at any of the Iranian web sites shows, in the weeks preceding the election, he threw money at the poor at a level that alarmed Iranian economists. Since his puppet reign, there has been worker demonstration after worker demonstration as the promise of employment did not materialize. Ahmedinejad beat up and jailed the protesters.

Until and unless the army cuts loose Homeini, unlikely, until and unless external election monitors are stationed at every voting site, the situation in Iran will not change.

Abdullah Gul the President of Turkey is a psychotic Islamist who refers to both Jews and Christians as "bacteria" and "vermin." This disgrace to the human race has repeatedly claimed that "the Jews orchestrated the crusades." (sic)

He needs to go. Big time. Turkey will never be admitted to the EU so long as he and his ilk are dragging it back into primitive thinking. Turkey must reform, admit its crimes against Cyprus, Armenia, and do penance. Admit its antisemitism and do penance.

Reform must begin immediately. It is already very, very late in the day.

I share a similar frustration which Eboo's article reflects. The media with which we are fed can be so unrealistic and upsetting! But I think Eboo is right...anyone who can dig up a little history, especially history of science will be well reminded of the human advancements that many countries have inherited from Iran. These past riches can greatly influence the future and I hope that Iranians will continue to persevere not only for their own but for all.

The Sophia, Hagia is a beautiful piece too, I guess we have to leave it where it is.
I'm sure the memories of 1979, have been helpful to the Iranian government.
Leadership caught off guard, or in denial of the wishes of the other half of society.
Hence a shift or change in direction of the country. Probably will find a middle ground.
AKA's? Nordstrom's , Nieman Marcus.

The True Phoenixes, often set aside their personal lives and family to keep others dreams alive. Some give their lives.
Current, is a strange thing and placing oneself in position, in current, to effect,
often moves perpendicular to the flow. Sweeping. They don't fight it, the use it.

J

Apparently the young people of Iran have finally seen the "light" when it comes to the flaws and errors in the worst book ever written aka the koran!!!