The Faith Divide

Intolerance and Islam since 9/11

Martin Luther King Jr. once said that time is neutral - it can be used either destructively or constructively.

The forces of intolerance in America have used the time since 9/11 to destroy the bonds of our diverse nation. They have established a well-funded, highly organized "Hate your Muslim Neighbor" campaign. They have best-selling books, highly trafficked websites, rallies that bring together thousands, speaker programs that reach tens of thousands, crisply divisive email campaigns that get forwarded around to millions.

They have defined the terms: "Ground Zero Mosque." "Radical Imam." "Muslim triumphalism."

They have framed the debate. It's simple in their minds: "Us vs. Them" is "Americans against Muslims."

What we need now is a concerted "Love All Your Neighbors" campaign. Because, as Theodore McCarrick, Cardinal Emeritus of the Archdiocese of Washington, said "America was not built on hate."

We have watched what the forces of intolerance can do. Let's see now what the forces of inclusion can do.

Let's invite to our pulpits, bimas and minbars speakers of other faiths. My friend Bob Roberts - a conservative Evangelical pastor in Texas - is doing just this at his Global Faith Forum, an impressive conference he's organizing in November which will welcome a number of exceptional and unlikely speakers to his Northwood Church pulpit, from Prof. John Esposito to HRH Prince Turki Al Faisal, Former Saudi Arabia Ambassador to the USA.

Let's demand that our nation's top leaders tell the story of American tolerance and pluralism.

We know that Mayor Michael Bloomberg isn't afraid to do this. In response to the controversy around Park 51, he said, "This nation was founded on the principle that the government must never choose between religions or favor one over another. The World Trade Center site will forever hold a special place in our city, in our hearts. But we would be untrue to the best part of ourselves and who we are as New Yorkers and Americans if we said no to a mosque in lower Manhattan."

Let's train a critical mass of interfaith leaders on our college campuses - young people who can bring people from different faiths together in projects that serve others. Our Interfaith Youth Core Fellows on two dozen campuses across the country are in the midst of organizing interfaith initiatives around this issue to bring together their campus communities.

As Edmund Burke said, "All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." In the spirit of Martin Luther King, the forces of pluralism have to use this time constructively.

Let's not be having this same conversation on the 10th anniversary of 9/11.

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Only few short paragraph in three Washington Post :'under God Bishop quotes Bush''why god wont go away' and Eboo Patel's'intolerance' I have proven everything needed to know about Universe Uf0 neutrinos Cana dajal networking plus in person only.

Posted by: zakaria_belal | September 17, 2010 5:14 AM
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With my latest posting in Washington Post The book of religion ' Cana dajal 'one eyed Monitor High radiation screen networking has been established as culprit(as disclosing).This has come with all the evidence (red handed).These are true facts (ongoing).They have come true with Probably Prez Obama may have some excitement (historical).I do not know yet.With other story of Yahoo photograph of Toronto Blurred Vision photo of Karl one eyed Tornadoe coincided with Kashmir Hazrat Bal Mosque .These are related to current death on Quran Burning _ Indian soldiers killing Civilian.This isJordanian King related as well as is 90yr old and other life drama unfolding.May be something with Eboo Patel related too!

Posted by: zakaria_belal | September 17, 2010 4:53 AM
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All religion is based on the worship we do to our own way to a God or Godess or Devil or Atheism(do nothing eat die and so called end of it).Not quite says God go or come willingly or unwillingly - paradise or Fire(acidic) hel do existl.Almost all is bound for hell of earth universe or galaxy.We created past Umma(presumably Dynasaur) and we will replace Human yet with other Creation says Quran(last religion on earth).

I am stuck in Dilemma myself using religion and continents (I travel to find the link to happening).To pin point I have reasearched between God replica and claimants from series of prayers from series of priests of different faith based upon availibility tracking it down to last to earliest reasoning .This is where the clue to whole problems exists Darwin Einsteins water Lights hurricanes snw storm thunder lightening and drop of rain in the middle of snow freezing rain amid dancing northern lights of arctic and strange events taking place around the globe.Says Quran : ''Correct your affair before you die''.These research materials by God claimants Scientific research Claims do exists.Finally I found differentiation of God and others with the help.

Posted by: zakaria_belal | September 16, 2010 1:31 PM
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Jihadist: "he is above and beyond being asked on what he said and do, as he is protected by free speech like Terry Jones?"

The First Amendment and the right to free speech is what is at the core of our freedoms in America. That is why a brown-skinned muslim-named ex-muslim like myself wears his loyalty to America on his sleeve. That free speech is the real weapon against the Islamic jihadists. Islam needs to get rid of its hatred of the non-muslims if it wishes to live in the modern world, and there are many many muslims who want to do that. They are unable to speak while sitting in Muslim lands because they get killed by the religious. That is why you can have a Asra Nomani in America but not in any Muslim Land. Go look up and see who she is. She is a muslim who is honest and has real Inter-faith Dialog.

Posted by: AKafir | September 15, 2010 11:49 AM
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Jihadist: "AKafir still can't tell us why he is so against a peaceful Muslim like Eboo Patel, presumably his fellow Indian American - a minority group in the States."

Mr. Jihadist,

I have asked you a few questions multiple times asking you to tell us why there is so much hatred towards the non-muslims in Malaya Islam (but that applies to Islam anywhere else), and you who have been so eloquent in telling all the problems and shortcomings of Americans to the other American posters have suddenly lost your tongue on that issue? Consider this an Inter-faith Dialog. I am A Kafir and I proclaim myself to be one. I have asked you serious questions about Islam. For the sake of the other non-muslims who read these pages, why don't you answer them?
The answer is that it is not only in Malay, but the hatred towards the non-muslim is built into the DNA of Islam. It can be seen in the laws of the Muslim lands across the globe. These Islamic laws are all from the Islamic Sharia of the four fiqhs of Islam. All four schools have one thing in common and that is that the Kafir is a third class human and he is to defer to the Muslim. It is the supremacist aspect of Islam.
And now to your question. I have asked Mr. Patel many of the questions and he chooses to remain silent. You see there is no Dialog. Mr. Pater is not an Amheddiya but an Ismaili. He belongs to even a more moderate faction of Islam than you. But just like you he is unable to be honest about Islam for his own reasons. His Interfaith Dialog is misleading. Moderate Muslims are misleading and very good at lying "Taqqiya". I know Islam, and I know when this mis-direction and misleading by lying by omission takes place. I have been through Dua lessons. I know the tecniques. Now you can beleive YasserYousufi who labels me a Hindu because he is unable to accept that there are Muslims who have rejected Islam in totality and especially from Pakistan. That is up to you. It is entirely irrelevant on the web as to who I "really" am. It is what I say. Is it true or not? I have shown you and the readers the hatred against the non-muslims built into the laws of Moderate Malaysia. Now it is upto you and Mr. Patel to answer if you choose to. Your evasions and your silence will be telling to the readers. That is genuine inter-faith dialog and not a bunch of feel-good lying sessions.

Posted by: AKafir | September 15, 2010 11:21 AM
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AKafir still can't tell us why he is so against a peaceful Muslim like Eboo Patel, presumably his fellow Indian American - a minority group in the States.



Posted by: Jihadist | September 15, 2010 9:21 AM
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Jihadist a muslim from Malaya who obviously knows next to nothing about muslims of Pakistan asks questions about Islam in Pakistan, and YasserYousufi, a muslim from Pakistan, stays silent because the the questions are "uncomfortable".
YasserYousufi, please answer Jihadist on the killings of Shias and Ahmeddiya in Pakistan. Tell him how toleratant Islam is towards the non-muslims in Pakistan.

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A Muslim from "Malaya" ehh...:)

Yep...

AKafir knows not about Indonesia, Malaysia, Pakistan in spite of "claims" of being a "former Muslim" who was schooled in a "famous madrassah" in Karachi.

He got his "knowledge" on Islam, Muslims, Pakistan, Indonesia, Malaysia from Wikipedia.

AKafir thinks that since he migrated to the "west", he is above and beyond being asked on what he said and do, as he is protected by free speech like Terry Jones?



Posted by: Jihadist | September 15, 2010 9:16 AM
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In Islamic Prophecy there is one aspect CanadaJal(networking) as evil as via internet . World religion vs Canadajal read as ''Canada dajal'' literally means one eyed uncompromising.This makes so called Patel's N Americal vs Muslims or people of religion(all) i.e. democracy wealth vs freedon of individual via religion.suppression of religion or rights suppression of individual by hook and crooke.This is Prophecy too and facts( to conceal for self promotion).In fact it has been going on past 40 years.Netanyahu came recently and offered joint research using this.Stephen Hawkings came denied God and promoted his own ufo own version of Time Travel.This high radiation Monitor screen lights =conspiracy theory of trio .Or is it rather Canadadajal as none religion democracy and what they conceal amid world turmoil.This has been on going which they will not take no for answer.Preventing disclosure is what Canada conceal via canada networking (irrelegious group) .They do truly exists in co ordination with high priced Lawyers major law firms within world of IMF Loans networking water pollution (even via tar sand). This group is all nothing but ficticious work on behalf of theft devil.Mind you it is not necessarily Govt of Canada or Govt of Ontario or Govt of BC or Alberta Sand .But it is rather individuals ( Muslim Hindus Sikhs Jews Christians inclusive special brand).i.e. truly evil.I could not get through seeking basic right which do even exists(by force by merciless cruelty).It can be safely said that democracy does not exist.They are truly evil oriented.i,e America vs world in true sense.

Posted by: zakaria_belal | September 15, 2010 3:17 AM
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Kafir writes,

Jihadist a muslim from Malaya who obviously knows next to nothing about muslims of Pakistan asks questions about Islam in Pakistan, and YasserYousufi, a muslim from Pakistan, stays silent because the the questions are "uncomfortable".
YasserYousufi, please answer Jihadist on the killings of Shias and Ahmeddiya in Pakistan. Tell him how toleratant Islam is towards the non-muslims in Pakistan.

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Kafir, you're way too cute! It wasn't Jihadist asking questions about Pakistan, it is infact you who is asking the questions about Pakistan. Jihadist merely pointed out to you why a supposedly madrassa educated, Karachi born former muslim Pakistani and a self confessed expert on Islam can't answer these questions.

I would just like to know, since I've lived alomost all my life in Karachi if you can tell me something original about your madrassah or Karachi itself that one cannot readily look up on the internet.

Posted by: yasseryousufi1 | September 15, 2010 2:44 AM
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Eboo quotes Blumberg as saying;
“But we would be untrue to the best part of ourselves and who we are as New Yorkers and Americans if we said no to a mosque in lower Manhattan."

Can Blumberg, Eboo or anyone else explain to me why two hundred cab drivers and street vendors in lower Manhattan need a 100 million fifteen story skyscraper to “worship “in? And why the promoters are insisting on this particular spot which is a stone’s throw from the scene of a massacre carried out in the name of the religion of the proposed edifice?

Posted by: abrahamhab1 | September 15, 2010 12:26 AM
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ooopssa. Correction:

".. Pleazzaaa; NEVER forgive them {EKLAH-t-i-OFFs} for THEY Jealously-do really know What they art or hav'th been falsley DO'th!"

O' Jealousy; O' Jude-JU's! O Judeo Christians, O' Hindu's, O' Buddhists; Or Ishlami's; O' Mormons...

Which [ALL, EVERY & ANY] needs to be Destroyed [Pre-Apocalyptic Thinking Parents & Co,...] and wiped-Off, the Face of This {Bless'yh:: Never Curs'th..) Miraculous-Built S.pace-S.hip (Earth & By many HOLYi names) .

So; Internationally; NOt only Locally; V-O-T-E Vote: To Wipe; THEOCRACY & MONARCHY & Co, as We[i] Knew'th them... .. Off Face on Earth..""

DEATH; To ALL//EVERY//ALL Pre-Apacalyptic Religions: NOt Only IRAN (not Persia) et al & Jealousy CO.!
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DEATH! To THEOCRACY + MONARCHY (NO Exceptions) On Holyi-S.S.-Earth(s) yaya, of manymanymany.


STOP waisting LIVES + TIME!

Posted by: woodstock-41 | September 14, 2010 11:22 PM
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WHY

WHY

WHY Should

HiNDU/BUDDHISTS/SIKS & Easterners Be

EXCLUDED From "Mid-EAST" [Process's, "Quartets" [via T. Blair & Co.) and or

USurper of U.S. [OUR: Never Their!] Holyi-Cosmic "U.S. Constitution":

Hillary's-Clinton(s) NEPOTIST's???? , A PRE-Apoacalyptic(OFF: Zereo ON); Evil-IRISH et al!!!?? Not via the "Good-'i'RISH.

RECOMMENDATION:

IT is NO-t, Time for Mid-East {Ishlami, Israeli, Christian} Bullla-CRAPA "TEmporary (Artifiacial SATANIC-VERS-US peace: ZERO Permanent etc..!!!

Pleazaaa, Ye/Yo Religious Jealous PSYCHOTIC Vampire & Cannibal [Eucharist Addicts; Like Hitlers Army waws...] O' O'

O' YE/YO Pre-Apocalyptarians: Pleazzzza, Stopa da Bullacrapin, Pushin Ye (never OUR,) OR

Someone Elses; "SuperStupidStious"ness, against US [Automatic Born Citizens/Denizens of Holyi , Nebula-Built, S.S. Earth(s)]

PS: REmember:

IT is WE[i] Eklaht-i-ON's (never OFF's), aka APOCALYPTARi-ON's, whom Have A PhD in ALL 5-Major Religion(s) : Thank "MARIST COLLEGE" on S.pace-S.hip Earth(s) etc.. :!::


NOt [[[ CHUMASH + BIBLE + GEETA + KANGYU+ QURAN + (Via M-A-R-i-S-t-- College; Never via any other JEALOUS god play/n Jesuit any Schools, even Parochial's, on Earth,, nor Yeshivas on Earth, Nor, Ashrams on earth, nor Madras s's, on earth"]]]]; O' Jealousy: O' WAR BLESSING L-O-V-E-R-s:

Zero "PEACE-BLESS(ings)" etc..!

YES! YEA! YA! DA! CAN! SEE! ...

A Ptophecy Who's Tim'th is Com'th: As Predicted in ALL, Every & Any of YE/YO [Parents; Never Preacher's] "iNFIXUS-BOOK(s); Thus Becoming EK/Uno/One/Adjeen etc.

O', "Satanic VersUS Lovers" [Note: NOt only applies to iSHLAMI/Esauites;

Ha Ha Ha Ha ..... Pleazzaaa; NEVER forgive them {EKLAH-t-i} for THEY know What they DO'th!" O' Jealousy; Which needs to be Destroyed [Pre-Apocalyptic Thinking Parents & Co,...] ; besides THEOCRACY & MONARCHY & Co, as We[i] Knew'th them...

Posted by: woodstock-41 | September 14, 2010 11:00 PM
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Yasser, what kind of god devotes an entire chapter of his own book, on behalf of the nephew, about a quarrel between an loving uncle and his intransigent nephew. The kind of god is the narcissistic & megalomanaical nephew's alter ego. Thats what that 5 verse chapter is all about. The point is not how Abu Lahab died. The point is that your prophet or profit the original Mr. 20% (like your Prez Mr. 10%) is a low life to think the way he did about his aunt & uncle who had rejoiced in that ingrate's birth. As I said earlier you have shown your true colors, you are one of those totally deluded brainwashed automaton who just blindly follows that vile turbid tome.

Posted by: Secular | September 14, 2010 8:20 PM
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Jihadist:

Ahmeddiya in Indonesia having a Grand ole time:

http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/city/suburbs-a-hotbed-for-religious-strife/386563

"Peace is a word defined differently by certain religious communities and the Bogor administration, according to controversial Islamic sect Ahmadiyah.

“We had already erected steel pillars and the base framework for our mosque when members of certain communities began to protest its construction. The Bogor administration backed them, and requested us to stop building the mosque so that there would be peace in Bogor,” Ahmadiyah spokesman Mubarik told the Jakarta Globe on Sunday.

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The Ahmadiyah case is but one in a number of incidents targeting minority religions in Bogor, a city that sits just outside Jakarta. But it is not just happening in Bogor. The past year has seen churches closed, Christian events raided and a call to bring a city’s bylaws in line with Shariah law — all in cities neighboring the country’s capital. "

Posted by: AKafir | September 14, 2010 7:31 PM
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Fascinating.
Jihadist a muslim from Malaya who obviously knows next to nothing about muslims of Pakistan asks questions about Islam in Pakistan, and YasserYousufi, a muslim from Pakistan, stays silent because the the questions are "uncomfortable".
YasserYousufi, please answer Jihadist on the killings of Shias and Ahmeddiya in Pakistan. Tell him how toleratant Islam is towards the non-muslims in Pakistan.

Jihadist, why don't you simply answer why is it that there is so much hate and discrimination built into the laws of your country towards the non-muslims? Is it part of the Malaya culture? Where does that hate come from? Could it be from the Quran by any chance? The Shariyat court judges are very very knowledgeable in Islam are they not? Why do they treat the non-muslims as third class citizens?

Inter-faith Dialog is not very productive till the Muslims decide to be truthful and honest with the non-muslims, but that they cannot do. If Eboo wants an interfaith dialog honestly with the Kafirs of America, then he should start addressing honestly why is there so much hate for the non-muslims in Islam. Why is there so much hate towards the non-muslims written into the laws of nearly all muslim countries? Why do the muslims here aspire to bring such hateful laws into America under their Sharia?

The answers that jihadis and Yasser give speak for themselves. It really should not be that difficult for Jihadist to tell us why 1) a muslim woman cannot, no matter what, marry a non-muslim man in Malaysia; 2) why a distant muslim relative inherits all the property and benefits of a dead muslim husband rather than his non-muslim wife; 3) why the non-muslim spouse loses all parental rights to their minor children (who automatically become muslims) as soon as the spouse converts to Islam. I could go on with other "Islamic Sharia Laws" that govern the lives of Kafirs in many Islamic countries just as they do in Malaysia.

Posted by: AKafir | September 14, 2010 6:20 PM
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Appealing to Christians for tolerance is not a very good appeal. Christians are not known for tolerance. That is part of what makes Christianity and Islam so much alike.

I am afraid that this impasse between two stubborn religions is not going away any time soon.

It is the very nature of the twins, Christianity and Islam, to seek to do away with each other.

That is the way the world is made. There is not much that can be done about, but to let the two sides slug it out.

I think that if we could get Muslims to burn Bibles in retaliation for Christians burning Korans, then that would be progress.

That is what I am hoping for.

Posted by: DanielintheLionsDen | September 14, 2010 3:50 PM
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Secular,

Take your pills and crawl back to where you came from. Its useless to discuss with you the principal of reward and punishment. It used to happen in medieval times, it happens even in 21st century. People get punished for their sins/crimes all over the world. Sometimes these punishments are cruel as in death sentence for a heinous crime. But they serve not just as punishment but also as deterrent so that others are aware of the consequences of their punishment. Its probably the reason we have a modicum of sanity in this world. Abu Lahab was no saint. He had blood on his hands. If you really look up how he died, it was result of a family feud not some muslim killing him.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Lahab

As I said, your comments on religion, specially Abrahamic ones have no credibility. You are a Hindu first and foremost. Your hatred for all other religions is obvious. So I don't need to prove my religion to an idiot who cannot even frame a single sentence without spewing his mental garbage. I gave you more attention than you really deserve maybe that makes you feel important somehow. You're just a puffed up, foul mouthed bigot who doesn't even know what he's talking about. I feel sad I wasted my time that could have been better spent on you.

Posted by: yasseryousufi | September 14, 2010 2:33 PM
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AAh Secular! Now I see why you were getting so puffed up. You read a new Chapter in Robert Spencer book on Islam 'eh? Had to find a muslim to argue this with! Abu Lahab's punishment was absolutely in line with the severity of his crime. He was the biggest enemy of Islam and Prophet Muhammad having physically and verbally abused Prophet Muhammad many times. Whats the big deal with that? Did you hear what happened Remeses II who took on another Prophet of God, refused to see the signs? People of Lut who disobeyed the Prophet of God or the People of Noah! What was the fate of Rawan?

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Oh yeah, so to ridicule your profit, the punishment is death by torture. And lot wishful thinking to be inserted in that that vile & putrid tome. Do you wonder why I call that must tome vile & putrid now don't you?

In case of your Musa stories, thankfully they are all silly myths. We can sleep at night knowing that all those stories are just total fiction albeit very incorrigible. In case of poor Abu Lahab, humiliated the wrong megalomaniac. He was probably killed the way it was revealed to MO by his alter ego and your Sky-Daddy. You both living in 21st century think that was an apt punishment. nearly 14 centuries of zeitgeist has not touched you both for sure. If rest of the muslims believe the same as you do, which actually is at least true of the most guys of your ilk on the web, then the zeitgeist has been lost on all of you. Now you wonder why the rest of the world feels the way it does about your ilk.

You think the utter nonsense in the Pentateuch are also OK, because Musa asked the Pharaoh to release his people and he did not acceded to the two bit Musa, it was OK to kill the first born and pillage all of Egypt. It does not matter whether it has happened or not (NOT). the fact that there folks like you who think such punishments are OK is the point. Killing the first borns of the entire country for, what their King did or did not do is WRONG, CRIMINAL, AMORAL and DEVOID of humanity. The same applies to those who think it is OK. You both have exposed yourself. This is why they say "A good person does good things. A bad person does bad things. But really takes a god to make, otherwise a good person to, do the most wicked things. So in response to my challenge you have indeed, inadvertently admitted that there isn't a sing vile verse in koran that you would repudiate. This si the reason we atheists abhor those goo-for-nothing wicked books. unfortunately for us with the technological advances cannot ensure that those wicked books cannot be obliterated from the face of the earth.

Posted by: Secular | September 14, 2010 1:45 PM
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AAh Secular! Now I see why you were getting so puffed up. You read a new Chapter in Robert Spencer book on Islam 'eh? Had to find a muslim to argue this with! Abu Lahab's punishment was absolutely in line with the severity of his crime. He was the biggest enemy of Islam and Prophet Muhammad having physically and verbally abused Prophet Muhammad many times. Whats the big deal with that? Did you hear what happened Remeses II who took on another Prophet of God, refused to see the signs? People of Lut who disobeyed the Prophet of God or the People of Noah! What was the fate of Rawan?

Posted by: yasseryousufi | September 14, 2010 10:00 AM
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Yousufi, & Jihadist, one thing about both of you is you both are so predictable.

- Secular

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And I had thought that you are so predictable on Islam and Muslims in On Faith threads.

Predictable posts needs predictable reactions - a wee variation of Newton's Third Law.

Posted by: Jihadist | September 14, 2010 9:56 AM
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Taqqiya will not work any more. Why not deal honestly with the simple fact that your Allah hates the non-muslims, the kafirs. Why?

AKafir

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Taqqiya? Perhaps Eboo Patel should practice taqqiya now with all the fear and loathing towards Muslims generated in the States including by you against Eboo Patel in these very threads of Eboo Patel's blogs before and now.

You are saying it is all right to hate Muslims like Eboo Patel, perhaps an Ahmaddiya, who are persecuted in Pakistan?

You were a former madrassah student in Karachi. You would know better, perhaps on Shiites into taqqiya as a minority faith group to protect themself in Pakistan.

AKafir, AKafir, AKafir........

What is one to do with former Muslims like you when Muslims like Eboo Patel into inter-faith dialogue, bridge-bulding are questioned, casted with aspersion, treated with suspicion by you?

Never mind. You can always join Pat Robertson's and Ayaan Hirsi Ali's fan clubs on Islam and Muslims if you have not already done so, are so.



Posted by: Jihadist | September 14, 2010 8:40 AM
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Yousufi, & Jihadist, one thing about both of you is you both are so predictable. All you know is obfuscation, and conflation. The topics of the threads is Islam and muslims, when I post comments that are inconvenient and nettlesome you drag in other topics to confuse people. I never fell for those juvenile tactics. The readers on this forum are all well aware of your tactics. Both of you when Hindutva is the topic I express my opinions about it then. By the way Yousufi you claimed I was not enlightened enough to read kuran. how much enlightenment does one need to read the invective laden rubbish like sura al masad:


1 Let the two hands of Abû Lahab [lit. the father of the flame(the name of the prophet mohammed,s uncle)] perish, and let he himself (also) perish!
2 His wealth and what he has accomplished shall avail him naught.
3 He shall soon enter a Fire full of leaping flames (to burn others of his kind as well),
4 And his wife too, the carrier of fire wood and bearer of slanders and calumnies (will also be enveloped in the flames);
5 Having round her neck a halter of twisted strands.

What is this sura teaching you? This utter nonsensical and vile set of verses.
This is why we want to see if you repudiate these vile verses

Posted by: Secular | September 14, 2010 8:27 AM
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Eboo says:
“They (anti mosque people on twin towers cite) have framed the debate. It's simple in their minds: "Us vs. them" is "Americans against Muslims."”

This implies that whoever objects to the proposed location of this mosque is necessarily anti Muslim. Secondly is not this “Us vs. them" the way your Allah taught you to look upon those who do not believe in His “Favorite prophet?” Why have we never heard you or any other Muslim question this discriminatory principle when applied to others such when your coreligionists label the people of the world as belonging to either the House of Peace (Muslims= Paradise dwellers) or the House of War (non-Muslims of all stripes= dwellers of hell).

Posted by: abrahamhab1 | September 14, 2010 7:36 AM
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"Secular" would rather not challenge or criticise "saffron terrorists" and Hindutva extremists.

He gets his knowledge on America from "Time" and "Newsweek" before migrating to the States.

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Apparently he doesn't pick up the signs too well. People ignore him for a reason. His intentions are to spread hate and misrepresent the facts. He hides behind a false acronym like other Hindu's on WaPo perhaps embarrassed no one takes their religion of talking monkeys and 12 headed Gods seriously. Kafir falsely hides behind a former muslim identity. Both are clearly identifiable from their bigoted, anti-muslim, upper caste Brahman stances.

Posted by: yasseryousufi1 | September 14, 2010 7:32 AM
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"Secular" would rather not challenge or criticise "saffron terrorists" and Hindutva extremists.

He gets his knowledge on America from "Time" and "Newsweek" before migrating to the States.

Posted by: Jihadist | September 14, 2010 7:07 AM
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Secular, no need jump up and down like a clown! You aren't enlightened enough for the Quran to be discussed with you. Have you teared off you Mahabharta yet?

Posted by: yasseryousufi1 | September 14, 2010 6:10 AM
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Eboo
Try speaking forthrightly and honestly.
People are learning about Islam. Taqqiya will not work any more. Why not deal honestly with the simple fact that your Allah hates the non-muslims, the kafirs. Why?

Posted by: AKafir | September 14, 2010 3:12 AM
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O'... That last post was meant for SisSTAR Pamila T. & Co.

In Shallah! Allah Karim!

Happy EiD!

Happy Everyday! [Lika Birth-day Yo!).

Hugs n a kiss' to ALL, EVERY & Any of da "Automatic Born Citizens/Denizens" of Bless'th (never Curs'th/Sin'th: And SEXUAL Guilt-Free) S.pace s.hip Earth!, aka S.S. GAiA, S.S. GEOiD, S.S. TELLUSng somethn+!

Posted by: woodstock-41 | September 13, 2010 10:47 PM
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"Little Brethren": Before i[WE] begin:

Hint; In the Subconscious of Pure "A M E R Ka/o/'s All this Anti-Ishlami [Mad Man] /Easaumi [Sold His 'Birth Right, let alone Wrongs etc..] is to blame (yaya;ppoint da fingers against dem "White Hating Cracker"s [Nationa of iSlam] N.O.I.; an Imported, NOT MADE-IN-AMERIiCA, SuperStupidstitious [Contrary to Quran/Koran Message(s) etc..) Abrahahamic, wannabe, religion/faith/Belief.. SYSTEM:

Now; Brother Fareed Zakaria [a Great Mentor et al] saith, "WE, r Safer Than We[i] Think'th" [Similar said]. Or Why U.S. A's's over-reacted [To Ishlami/Esauite Phobia].

Yet The Brother gots to understanda thata "Ishlami-Phobia/o" is as real and Righteous , as the past (current pre-Islamish Scare) COMMY Finkil-Faggariono-Scare during Post N. Korian Scare , Then Vietnami era/scare epochs. Note: Nither was ever "iN Vane"!

He Also Freudianly saith, "... It [Hate of] has created suspicions about U.S. Ishlami's who are more assimilated than in any? other Country in the World...!"???

POiNT: If (before Ishlami-Scare in PARIS, France (Riots) or England, London (Riots): THAT, then

If Sweet Sweet "YO Oss of A's, Did'nt hath "COMMY-Phobia; Then U.S. A. as we Knew Would Never hath Existed.!??

Sooo, Today: Ishlami Phobia, Spread/Creep via "Elders Of Al-Taqiyahists (Not Elders Of Zion... anymore) , but via their (NOt our) ELDERS Of Wahhabi-Bi's/Ayatollahs; Is Real; NOt an ILLUSION (Magog); Soo use "GOG" (Truth),soo, ,b>MIND 1st; Heart 2nd, Gutt 3rd and Oss 4th, Aye?!

Note: time (via man-msade clocks) IS The BEST MEDICINE; aka "Patience which is; via the Essence of HOLYI-TiME(our, TEMP//being//immortal. a/k/a "ETERNITY AVOiDING LINLINESS")"!
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http://www.newsweek.com/2010/09/11/al-qaeda-isn-t-the-threat-anymore.html

Secret: Satanic VersUs Lovin Elder of AL Taqiyah (not Zion) via Mr. God-Player' Osama Bin Laden' "is DEAD" since Summer/Fall of 2007!
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VOTE: General (Brethren) McCRYSTALl & Co., Fo PREZ & Gov (SisStar) Sara Lipstick Momma-PALEN for V. Prez" respectfully aye YE/YO??!! 2012+. An AQUARiUS-Age "GEN. "Ike" [pbuh et al}, Not a PISCES-Age Ike {pbuh}!
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VOTE: McCrystal//Palin! VOTE: McCrystal PALIN...! YaYa'YO'YE!

Posted by: woodstock-41 | September 13, 2010 10:40 PM
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Oooopssa: Please See Brethren Zakaria's ; "AL Qaeda Not more a Threat. la la song."


http://www.newsweek.com/2010/09/11/al-qaeda-isn-t-the-threat-anymore.html

Secret: Satanic VersUs Lovin Elder of AL Taqiyah (not Zion) via Mr. God-Player' Osama Bin Laden' "is DEAD" since Summer/Fall of 2007!
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VOTE: General McCRYSTALl & Co., Fo PREZ & Gov Sara Lipstick Momma-PALEN for V. Prez" aye??!! 2014.

Posted by: woodstock-41 | September 13, 2010 10:15 PM
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"Little Brethren": Before i[WE] begin:

Hint; In the Subconscious of Pure "A M E R Ka/o/'s All this Anti-Ishlami [Mad Man] /Easaumi [Sold His 'Birth Right, let alone Wrongs etc..] is to blame (yaya;ppoint da fingers against dem "White Hating Cracker"s [Nationa of iSlam] N.O.I.; an Imported, NOT MADE-IN-AMERIiCA, SuperStupidstitious [Contrary to Quran/Koran Message(s) etc..) Abrahahamic, wannabe, religion/faith/Belief.. SYSTEM:

Now; Brother Fareed Zakaria [a Great Mentor et al] saith, "WE, r Safer Than We[i] Think'th" [Similar said]. Or Why U.S. A's's over-reacted [To Ishlami/Esauite Phobia].

Yet The Brother gots to understanda thata "Ishlami-Phobia/o" is as real and Righteous , as the past (current pre-Islamish Scare) COMMY Finkil-Faggariono-Scare during Post N. Korian Scare , Then Vietnami era/epochs.

He Also Freudianly saith, "... It [Hate of] has created suspicions about U.S. Ishlami's who are more assimilated than in any? other Country in the World...!"???

POiNT: If (before Ishlami-Scare in PARIS, France (Riots) or England, London (Riots): THAT, then

If Sweet Sweet "YO Oss of A's, Did'nt hath "COMMY-Phobia; Then U.S. A. as we Knew Would Never hath Existed.!??

Sooo, Today: Ishlami Phobia, Spread/Creep via "Elders Of Al-Taqiyahists (Not Elders Of Zion... anymore) , but via their (NOt our) ELDERS Of Wahhabi-Bi's/Ayatollahs; Is Real; NOT A ILLUSION (Magog); Sooo Think "G O G" (Truth)! MIND 1st; Heart 2nd, Gutt 3rd and Oss 4th, Aye?!

Note: TiME IS The BEST MEDICINE; aka "Patience is the Essence of TiME(TEMP//immortal)"!

Posted by: woodstock-41 | September 13, 2010 10:08 PM
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Below is the post from the Pamela Taylor's commentary on healing 9/11 wounds, by me.
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- Mr. Jihadist?

- Mr. Yasseryousufi is probably still celebrating Eid.

- You want me to "challenge" you? Or to challenge Muslim extremists? . . .
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Posted by Jihadi
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So the conflation begins. Mr. Jihadi looks like Yousufi has trained you very well. Every one on this thread is quite familiar with the genesis of my challenge to both of you. It was born out of how rest of us view you and that it was our wishful thinking. To that I had asked you both if there was anything from teh Koran and hadith that you would find repugnant enough to repudiate and in the same vein is there any story that you would find factually incorrect. i even cited you the Kurt Weiss exercise.


But as usual you rather go off in a wild goose chase or look for red herring. This is so typical of you islamic apologists. then you claim we paint you all with a broad brush. All the issues you raised are non-squiter. So now it is 31 hours since you have been unabe to muster enough courage to take up the challenge.

Posted by: Secular | September 13, 2010 9:53 PM
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I see Jihadist is active on this thread, trying to turn the tables WMarkW using his words. But he can run but cannot hide. I had challenged him and his friend Yousufi along the lines of Mr. Patel's commentary. Mr Jihadi do you find any intolerant verses in Koran, that you are willing to publicly repudiate in this forum? the previous challenge was more general, but this is more specific. the same challenge goes to teh author of this commentary MR. Patel, too. Mr. Patel, as one who as penned this very high minded essay, will you identify the intolerant passages in teh Koran and publicly repudiate them on your Faith Divide forum in Washington Post. Until you can do that your splendid commentaries will be sounding rather self serving and hypocritical.

Posted by: Secular | September 13, 2010 9:51 PM
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Sam Harris recently gave an example of the kind of comment he would love to hear from leaders in the Muslim community - like Mr Patel.

"Like all decent people, I am horrified by much that goes on in the name of 'Islam,' and I consider it a duty of all moderate Muslims to recognize that many of the doctrines espoused in the Qur'an and hadith present some unique liabilities at this moment in history. Our traditional ideas about martyrdom, jihad, blasphemy, apostasy, and the status of women must be abandoned, as they are proving disastrous in the 21st century. Many of Islam's critics have fully justified concerns about the state of discourse in parts of the Muslim world--where it is a tissue of conspiracy theories, genocidal ravings regarding the Jews, and the most abject, triumphalist fantasies about conquering the world for the glory of Allah. While the scriptures of Judaism and Christianity also contain terrible passages, it has been many centuries since they truly informed the mainstream faith. Hence, we do not tend to see vast numbers of Jews and Christians calling for the murder of apostates today. This is not true of Islam, and there is simply no honest way of denying this shocking disparity. We are members of a faith community that appears more concerned about harmless cartoons than about the daily atrocities committed in its name--and no one suffers from this stupidity and barbarism more than our fellow Muslims. Islam must grow up. And Muslim moderates like ourselves must be the first to defend the rights of novelists, cartoonists, and public intellectuals to criticize all religious faiths, including our own.

By Sam Harris.

Posted by: Rongoklunk | September 13, 2010 1:37 PM
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"If they ever come for me, will there be anyone left to speak out?"

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If "they", who wear t-shirts, emblazoned with, "Don't thread on me", threaded and trampled all over the American Constitution and Bill of Rights to assert their "rights" and "restore honour", whatever those are for them...??????.

"They" will come after you too, eventually. Just as Nazi Germans goes after "Aryan" Germans who don't agree with the Nazis, their politics and policies, both domestic and foreign.

Posted by: Jihadist | September 13, 2010 1:05 PM
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As Edmund Burke said, "All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."

They went after Salman Rushdie, and I am not a novelist, so I did not speak out.
They went after Theo Van Gogh, and I am not a filmmaker, so I did not speak out.
They went after the London Tubes, and I don't ride the London Tubes, so I did not speak out.
They went after Mumbai, and I've never been to Mumbai, so I did not speak out.
They went after Fort Hood, and I am not a soldier, so I did not speak out.

If they ever come for me, will there be anyone left to speak out?

Posted by: WmarkW | September 13, 2010 11:14 AM
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