The Faith Divide

From fearing Islam to loving Muslims

Bob Roberts was converted in Afghanistan. That's a long way from deep East Texas where he grew up. The Afghan Imams who converted him prayed in a different language than the one he was used to. They took him to schools and mosques, spoke to him of God and family, exemplified for him loyalty and honor. For so many years Bob had been afraid of Muslims, but being with these imams was changing him.

If you ask him, Bob will tell you that they helped him become a better Christian.

Why? Because Bob takes seriously the Christian belief that everyone is made in God's image, that Jesus calls on his followers to find ways to love your neighbors everywhere, that fearing others is something the Bible expressly forbids.

Bob is a church planter. He is also a school and clinic builder. Both are part of his faith.

This makes perfect sense to me. I view Bob as encouraging others to pray to Jesus (proselytizing), and following Jesus himself (building understanding and serving).

Bob is building a movement within the evangelical church towards multifaith cooperation. It begins with a different kind of conversation about religion. Instead of asking 'How is my faith right and your faith wrong?' It asks, 'How does your faith inspire you to serve others and what in my faith inspires me to work with you on that?'

Last week, Bob hosted a major event at his church called "The Global Faith Forum". I spoke at the Friday night plenary, along with Professor John Esposito from Georgetown, Prince Turki of Saudi Arabia and Ambassador Le Cong Phung of Vietnam.

Prince Turki read the many verses of the Qur'an about Jesus. Professor Esposito warned about not meeting 'the religious other' only through the media and only in moments of crisis. A young girl from Vietnam played the opening notes of Amazing Grace on the violin. I talked about the religious intolerance faced by too many Muslim kids, and my fears for my own in this environment of Islamophobia.

Afterwards came an avalanche of hugs from Evangelicals (so many it made me wonder whether hugging was in the Bible.) "For me to be a Christian, I have to stand up for Muslim kids facing intolerance," one of them told me. Another said, "I covenant with you that I will work for better understanding between our faiths."

I told him it was my Muslim duty to uphold my side of that covenant.

And I wondered, if more Americans were part of events like this, would we not have mass conversions to viewing faith as a bridge of cooperation rather than a barrier of division?

By Eboo Patel  |  November 17, 2010; 3:07 PM ET  | Category:  Interfaith Issues , Morality , Personal Religion , Religion & Leadership Save & Share:  Send E-mail   Facebook   Twitter   Digg   Yahoo Buzz   Del.icio.us   StumbleUpon   Technorati  
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The problem most of us have with Islam is the personal life of its founder. The guy was a killer, beheaded no less than 500 prisoners of his jihads and having political rivals murdered.

Posted by: rrpopseal | December 2, 2010 10:49 PM
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Integrity_1st:

I did not think you would be simply be silent as Jihadist. See the injustice that is being done to the Kafirs. Does it bother your conscience at all?

Posted by: AKafir | November 22, 2010 6:00 PM
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What could possibly be so difficult in telling why is it that every implementation of Sharia, even in the so moderate and diverse Malaysia, where the Malaya who have to be Muslims by law are barely a majority, treat the Kafirs as second class humans?

The moderate and highly educated Muslim Kingofkings1 chides Eboo but is totally silent on explaining why Sharia mistreats the non-muslims. The racist Malaya, Jihadist, who knows enough about the Kafir society to get the ignorant Kafirs to feel guilty of "Islamophobia" can encourage Eboo but has nothing to say about her countrymen's treatment of the idolators hindus there. Eboo being Eboo bin lyin is never going to risk his livelihood and so one does not expect him to ever answer any questions asked of him. But the gall of standing up and lecturing the Kafirs about fearing Islamophobia for his children when his Islam treats the children of Kafirs as less than human around the world is truly sickening.

I am still hoping that Integrity_1st will find out enough to straighten out all this misunderstanding about Moderate Malaysia's Sharia being nasty to the non-muslims.

Posted by: AKafir | November 20, 2010 2:11 PM
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Mr Eboo Patel,
You are one confused puppy. It is not so difficult to say the things that people want to hear. It is, however, difficult to have principles that you can stand on and that others might disagree with.

Posted by: Kingofkings1 | November 20, 2010 3:34 AM
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What is this sorry excuse for a human being Prince Turki doing about the out-group hostility in the core of Saudi laws? Unless this bigot speaks out about those laws, all his other utterances are nothing but sham.

Posted by: Secular | November 20, 2010 12:03 AM
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I refused to live hating/generalizing people based on their faiths like some of you here... Deception of others are presented from the West too -end-

Posted by: Integrity_1st


Integrity_1st, how do you explain the uniformly hostile laws against non-muslims in each of the 576 OIC countries. By the way Singapore is not a muslim majority country. In fact that is the reason it is nit part of Malaysia. It may be non-pc to say this but if the muslims are as open minded and liberals are we supposed assume, why is it that the laws in their countries are so hostile to non-muslims and apostates. Did you read about the Palestinian apostate who had been arrested recently, how is own mother wants him to be put away for rest his life. Or have you read about the apostate in Pakistan, who was acquitted by the court, yet one of his compatriots did not care and yet killed him and rest of the town did not feel a bit of sorrow for this man. What do you call all this a few cases progressive mindedness of the Muslims. Or are these just another few isolated cases? The fact of the matter is that the laws of the land in a sense reflect the consensus of the people, even when the country is not a democracy, especially when the laws are steeped in out-group hostility. By contrast here in the west and rest of the secular democracies like India, or even not so democratic countries like Singapore the laws are do not reflect in-group nepotism nor out-group hostility. This in a sense a consensus on part of these populaces that every one should be judged by their character rather than by their religious or some other irrelevant attribute. This does not mean all the westerners are liberal and open minded people nor does it mean that all muslims are bigots either. But when speaking in generalities you know the conclusions.

Posted by: Secular | November 19, 2010 11:50 PM
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It should be so easy for the very moderate and enlightened Muslim like Eboo to break his deafening silence on all this misunderstanding about Islam in Malaysia. Maybe the poster Jihadist, a Malaya herself, will break her silence on this issue and tell us how the Kafirs totally misunderstand the liberalism and humanity of Islam in Malaysia. I know Integrity_1st, who has Malaysian Muslim friends, will not follow suit and go silent but clear up our misunderstanding Malaysian Sharia Law.

The Guardian news is from 2005!! It tells that "The minorities fear that unless action is taken, the Islamic, or sharia, authorities could bully their way into further restricting non-Muslims' rights, particularly those of women and children." Further restrict? But what are the restricted non-Muslim rights?

1. "a sharia court decision that a dead man, Moorthy Maniam, must be given a Muslim burial because several people said he had converted to Islam even though there was no documentary evidence to confirm the conversion." A non-Muslims evidence in Sharia court can be completely dismissed since a good muslim cannot lie in Islamic law, his or her word always, always outweighs that of a non-muslim.

2. "Mr Moorthy's Hindu wife, along with other people, contested the assertion that he had converted, but she was not allowed to present her case in the sharia court."
A woman's evidence is only worth half of that a man's in Sharia court. But Mr. Moorthy's Hindu wife was a kafir in addition and her evidence is worth nothing at all, and so there is no need to even listen to a Kafir in Sharia Court.

3. "He had been paralysed since 1998. He was given a Muslim burial on Wednesday.
The Islamic affairs department claimed in court that Mr Moorthy converted verbally in October 2004. His widow, Kaliammal Sinnasamy, said he continued to practise Hinduism up until his final illness, that he visited a Hindu temple, ate pork and drank alcohol."
She took care of him since 1998. In 2004 he went to a hospital and was there for a few days. The Muslim male nurses tells the Sharia court that he said the Shahada (the only requirement to convert is to utter that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his prophet). And his kafir wife's and his kafir friends testimony cannot even be considered in the eyes of Allah because they are filthy Kafirs.

4. "Earlier this year a Hindu woman, Shamala Sathyaseelan, learnt her infant children had been classified as Muslims without her or their knowledge because her estranged husband had converted. "
They belong to the Muslim father. Had she converted, their marriage would have automatically stood dissolved and the children would be muslims and belong to her and not to the Kafir husband. Once a muslim, there is no way to leave Islam and the children have no say even when they become adults. That is the law in Moderate Malaysia.

Read the link. I run up against character limit.

Posted by: AKafir | November 19, 2010 10:32 PM
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"Integrity" is enamored by the Muslims she had met. We are not here talking about Muslims per se but about Islam. Islam worships its past mainly because their present is not flattering. Muslims still to this day apply the rulings (fatwas) of clerics who have been dead over a thousand years. To get a sense of how practicing Muslims view the “other” read the manual for the treatment of Christians and Jews codified by the successor and father-in-law of their prophet and which is called “Omar Pact.” It is true that most Muslim countries have beginning the 19th Century began to relax the implementation of that pact due to pressure from European powers, yet you know these laws are to be reemployed the minute the Islamists gain power. They promise us this and already some are clamoring for the re imposition of the exorbitant tax on Christians called Jizya.
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/pact-umar.html

Posted by: abrahamhab1 | November 19, 2010 7:50 PM
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Integrity_1st:
Do you know about Qisas? Do you what the punishment is for a muslim who kills a Kafir? Do you what is the blood money rate for a mudered hindu woman compared to accidentally killing a muslim man in Sharia countries like Saudi Arabia, Iran or Pakistan?

Posted by: AKafir | November 19, 2010 6:30 PM
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integrity_1st:

You don't understand because you don't know. Most Muslims don't know. Jihadist, the racist Malaya here at first was boasting about how tolerant the Muslims were in Malaysia and Indonesia. Very likely your Muslims friends don't know. Do you have any non-muslims friends in Muslim countries? Which ones?
Don't worry about my having travelled overseas.

So let us take one actual case at a time. I select a case from the very moderate Malaysia that you mention (I assume you have spent time there, since you have mentioned it more than once) and the racist Jihadist can help you as well.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/dec/30/worlddispatch.johnaglionby

Maniam Moorthy was claimed to be a convert after he died. The secular court ruled that they cannot do anything if the case falls under Sharia Court first. So the dead Moorthys body was expropriated by the Malaysian State from his Kafir relatives and buried in a muslim graveyard. Moorthy's brother had converted to Islam. He inherited all of Moorthy's benefits and property because he was a muslim and not Moorthy's Kafir wife. Read up on it ( Please do a search and go beyond the link I give) and then tell "us" what you think of the case and whether the treatment of the kafirs in moderate Malaysia meets your criteria of humane and just treatment.

Posted by: AKafir | November 19, 2010 6:22 PM
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Treatments of Kafirs now? oh I didn't realize it's one of the topics brought in here. In those countries (secular countries where Syariah court exist), crimes such as theft, murder, rape, kidnapping, drug traffickings, etc are dealt by Civil courts - Subordinate court & Supreme court - courts that have no Islamic laws in them. Are you trying to say that all Muslims including Islamic laws stipulated in such countries (Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia, Brunei, etc) are the same as those countries you & the US media often/ constantly arguing about, even towards kafirs? Just because a bunch of radical Muslims in some radical Islamic countries create laws where Kafirs are to be this & that, that doesn't mean they are the truth nor right. I suggest you start traveling to countries such as Malaysia & Singapore... you will be amazed (not only by the modernization), but different people of different races, cultures, religions can live peacefully (Singapore, one among the few countries, have the lowest crime rate & cleanest country) - just don't bring drugs cos it's death penalty for drug trafficking!

Again & again some just refused to read my comments carefully or to even understand them. If you came from an Islamic country where you were subjected to harsh laws created by that government, I do not believe you should be pointing fingers at other countries that have Syariah Court but do not have such harsh Islamic laws. The world does not only consist of Iran, Iraq, Saudi, Afghanistan, Somalia, US, Russia, China, Japan...

I refused to live hating/generalizing people based on their faiths like some of you here... Deception of others are presented from the West too -end-

Posted by: Integrity_1st | November 19, 2010 6:06 PM
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Jihadist
You try to discredit me for believing in exorcism of bad spirits. I can understand the atheists for being skeptical but you who claim to be a Muslim, the stories of Jinn (evil spirits)
decorate the pages of your “sacred” texts. Below is just one mention in one of the most authentic of the Hadith books
Bukhari:V6B60N332 "The Prophet said, 'Last night a demon from the Jinn came to me to disturb my prayer, but Allah gave me the power to overcome him. I intended to tie him to one of the pillars of the mosque till the morning so that all of you could see him.'"

Posted by: abrahamhab1 | November 19, 2010 5:28 PM
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Integrity_1st:

Why don't you give actual examples how Sharia as implemented in different countries as it relates to the treatment of Kafirs? Do not digress into Hijab and Zakat and muslim to muslim relation, but how do the laws relate to Non-muslims. Let us see some real examples from your vast experience and vast number of Muslim friends in Islamic countries, and then we can examine some actual cases. So go ahead.

Posted by: AKafir | November 19, 2010 5:15 PM
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Jihadist writes: "There's nothing former Muslims, ex-Muslims can do to change Islam and Muslims once they leave Islam and Muslim majority countries, can they? "

Jihadist is a supremacist and racist Malaya who refuses to comment on the hateful laws of her Malaya government. A Malaya is not allowed to have anyother religion other than Islam!!

I have no desire to change Islam anywhere. I am no longer a muslim. It is upto the Muslims to do what they want with their Islam. I talk to the Kafirs and show them the lies and deceptions that the Muslims present to the Kafirs of the West. Eboo is a shameless liar, and I point out his lies and the real face of Islam around the world. It is upto the muslims to decide what is "True" Islam. The Kafirs can see the scriptures of islam, and the laws of the Islamic countries, and the state of the non-muslims in muslim countries to know what islam thinks of Non-muslims.
You, Jihadist, as an individual have a choice and you choose to stay silent in the face of clear evil of Islam as it exists in Malaysia. That makes you complicit in that evil. And the Kafirs should see that and take that into account when evaluating your words.

Posted by: AKafir | November 19, 2010 5:11 PM
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Integrity_1st writes: "Majority of the laws stipulated in Iran/Iraq/Saudi/Afghanistan are not the same as Islamic laws stipulated by Syariah Courts in Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, etc. In Islam, there is no such thing as death or any sort of penalty for leaving the faith. Majority of the laws are created by man to suit mainly their benefits/ego! In Islam & countries like Malaysia & Singapore (among the few), both Muslim men or women are not allowed to marry non-Muslims."

So living as a GI wife in a few countries makes you an expert on islamic laws and better than the Shariat Court judges of the countries you lived in? A Kafir would be better of buying the brooklyn bridge from an apalachian hick than buying your expertise. Instead of telling the American Kafirs about what is real Islam why don't you tell it to the Islamic countries that are subjugating their Kafir citizens.

Integrity_1st writes: "We tend to confuse ourselves with Islam & laws created by man who claimed they are Islamic laws".

Who is that we? You don't know didley squat about Islamic laws and hence there is no question about confusion. Islamic laws are what the Shariat Courts in Islamic countries implement. So you are a better authority than the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia or of Pakistan or the Ayatollehs of Iran? If you are then go teach them Islam, and not the American Kafirs.

Posted by: AKafir | November 19, 2010 5:01 PM
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Comparison:

My Muslim female friends in Singapore, Malaysia, Brunei & Indonesia (some wear hijab, some do not), majority of them have careers (doctors/lawyers/nurses/real estate agents/etc) & amazingly they drive! They owned properties solely theirs. I asked if it against Islam? Their answers, no it's not. Are they forced to wear hijab? Apparently not, it's their choice. They can seek divorce in Syariah court. They have to go through the same hassle with divorces in any family courts! Some friends married non-Muslims, they are not punished in any way. They could not be married by a Kadhi or Imam. They got married in a civil court. Do I know people from these countries who were born Muslims, but chose to be atheists or Christians/Buddhists/Hindus/etc? Yes! Are they punished (as minor as fines) in any way for leaving Islam? No!

Friends in Saudi, yes they are required to wear hijab (majority chose to, some just cos it's a required law). I could understand it being Islam Holy land, that's why the requirement. They are not allowed to drive or be driven to places by other than their next of kin or permitted by their husbands & (if not married) fathers/wali.

It is truly sad that there are countries with people who would manipulate religions.
For those people who manipulates religions for power, control or manhood ego, I truly hope someday they will pay for their actions.

For those Muslims who live in Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia, etc..where Syariah Courts & Islamic law exist, I'm happy for them.

I respect others for who they are, as long as they are good people. I do not go around judging general others/individuals based on their faiths or even if they don't have any. Generalizing & assumptions simply based on one's faith, will destroy the possibility of good friendship. Instead of condemning religions, I chose to condemn & challenge the people who created harsh laws & claimed it to be religion laws.

Posted by: Integrity_1st | November 19, 2010 4:26 PM
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There are lots of lies & deception portrayed by many people from all faiths! Not just Islam, not just people who claimed themselves Muslims. Lies & deception exist among Christians & Christianity, Buddhists & Buddhism, etc! Is it safe to say also that Christian priests in Africa punishing - by burning/ burying alive/etc children/adults because these priests believe they are witches, is part of Christianity?

"You are so ignorant of Muslim countries that I question your travels and experiences. You either lie or are naïve about Islam." - Please read carefully what I wrote. Did I deny the harsh laws those Islamic countries have? no I didn't. I was comparing Islamic laws between Islamic countries & secular countries that have Syariah courts. Through my experiences & knowledge, they are different from Islamic laws stipulated by other countries that have Syariah court (besides Islamic laws do not apply to non-Muslims). Every countries have different sets of laws, and those countries you mentioned claimed their laws as laws in Islam; when other Muslims or Syariah courts from other countries do not consider as such. It's ignorant of us to believe whatever those Islamic countries claim as laws to be Islamic laws, when other countries that have Islamic laws & Syariah courts are not the same as those Islamic countries. When humans manipulate religions, that does not make the religion the guilty ones.

Posted by: Integrity_1st | November 19, 2010 3:25 PM
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Hi guys (Abrahamhab, Arif, Akafir)

There's nothing former Muslims, ex-Muslims can do to change Islam and Muslims once they leave Islam and Muslim majority countries, can they?

I am leaving it to you guys - former student of a famous madrassa in Karachi, witness and believer of exorcisms etc, to exorcise Muslims and Islam here in "On Faith" from their "warped" beliefs, "barbaric" practices and "ignorance".

Eboo Patel, carry on what you are doing in the States. Ignore the invectives and name callings by these Islamic "experts" here.

Posted by: Jihadist | November 19, 2010 3:19 PM
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"In Islam, there is no such thing as death or any sort of penalty for leaving the faith..."

So, it would be safe to say that Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and other islamic countries that kill their apostates are NOT practicing TRUE Islam? Also, it would be safe to assume that these countries are ignorant of their own religion. They are stupid followers and need to be punished?
It is a fact that they eliminate the apostate, usually the majority (muslims) kill an apostate before the state/law may intervene.

"...(not laws created by men so called/claimed themselves Muslims), mothers will always have the priority to custody of the children... etc..etc...."

You are so ignorant of Muslim countries that I question your travels and experiences. You either lie or are naïve about Islam.

What we have is Eboo who completely skirts islam and its huge gaping flaws and people like you who are blind to Islam's injustices. I wonder if there are "moderate" muslims who are capable of denouncing blasphemy laws that allow muslim majorities to eliminate their minorities.

It would be wonderful if muslim "scholars" would refrain from denying outright that islam forbids killing apostates. We would take these apologists of Islam more seriously if they start admitting that Islam is the cause of all the unjust laws practiced by Islamic countries. Perhaps they should at least open the discussion... but we wont see that happen because islam is built on lies and deception.

Posted by: Arif2 | November 19, 2010 2:53 PM
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You got me wrong... I do not agree on those so claimed 'Islamic laws' implemented by those few Islamic countries. I've been to countries where Syariah Court exist even though they are secular countries; where I made research & comparisons between the Islamic laws they have & the Islamic laws those Islamic countries have. Many differences! Majority of the laws stipulated in Iran/Iraq/Saudi/Afghanistan are not the same as Islamic laws stipulated by Syariah Courts in Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, etc. In Islam, there is no such thing as death or any sort of penalty for leaving the faith. Majority of the laws are created by man to suit mainly their benefits/ego! In Islam & countries like Malaysia & Singapore (among the few), both Muslim men or women are not allowed to marry non-Muslims. If they still want to, they can proceed without any penalty..just that they have to marry in civil court. In Islam (not laws created by men so called/claimed themselves Muslims), mothers will always have the priority to custody of the children... etc..etc.

We tend to confuse ourselves with Islam & laws created by man who claimed they are Islamic laws. If it's true that Islam forbids women to drive (as stated in Saudi), to have a career (as claimed by the Talibans), among the few laws in those Islamic countries, we will not be seeing Muslim women in the US & in many other countries driving & having good jobs/ careers.

FYI, I did not only visit but have lived in a few countries around the world. My husband (now retired) served the US military.

Posted by: Integrity_1st | November 19, 2010 12:55 PM
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Integrity pontificates thus:
“I've been to countries where they are quite heavily populated by Muslims. These are countries where they are way modern & peaceful.”


The fiercest critics of Islam are former Muslims who were born and lived in Muslim societies. Being a tourist in a country does not qualify you to be an authority on any aspect of that country that is of import to our discussions on this thread.

Posted by: abrahamhab1 | November 19, 2010 12:47 PM
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Integrity_first writes: "They happen all the time in our own country! Majority of them are done by non-Muslims! Until we can control our own, who are we to condemn & control others."

You are confusing the real issue. Do we have laws that sanction Prejudice, racism, abuse murder, rape, injustice, political lies as you call them? We have laws against them.
Now see the Sharia Laws as implemented in Muslim countries. Their law sanctions some of the things you are belly aching about that our criminals do.
1. Death for those Muslims who leave Islam.
2. A non-muslim man cannot marry a muslim woman. A muslim man can marry a non-muslim woman.
3. Their children are automatically muslims. The non-muslim mother has little to no rights. On divorce, the father gets the children and she usually doesn't even get support.
4. The non-muslim children do not inherit anything if one of the parent has converted to Islam. A distant muslim relative will inherit and if no distant relative exists, the state gets the property.
5. Non-muslims are not allowed to repair their houses of worship without special permits, and are not allowed to worship openly.

I can go with the list. It is very long, but take the time to actually talk to the non-muslims who live among the muslims. You may have travelled to muslim countries but you did not learn very much about Laws that exist in those countries.

Posted by: AKafir | November 19, 2010 12:30 PM
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I have traveled to many countries around the world & many of whats portrayed by the medias here are not exactly the truth (at least 70% of the Americans have not traveled outside their own States or the Country itself).I've been to countries where they are quite heavily populated by Muslims. These are countries where they are way modern & peaceful (too bad these countries are not covered often by US medias). The US medias tend to pick & choose the ones they know will benefit their agendas/intents. They will exclude the ones they know will cause otherwise. Before I start pointing fingers at others, I will always look at my own family, our own society & all the craziness, crimes happening every minute at our own backyard. Prejudice, racism, abuse (lol haven't we come across shows such as Jerry Springer, Steve W, Maury, Dr. Phil, etc besides the ones documented/reported to police/court?), murder, rape, injustice, political lies (including our own President; not only lying to the whole Americans but to the world)? They happen all the time in our own country! Majority of them are done by non-Muslims! Until we can control our own, who are we to condemn & control others. As good people (regardless of faith), I believe we have a duty to respect others; not judge people by some media craps or stuffs done by other power hungry people using religion to justify their actions. We should know better & should know by now, power hungry & ambitious people tend to twist & turn the truth to suit their agenda (one the world can never forget..good example - President Bush)! Their bad actions do not represent any religions!

Posted by: Integrity_1st | November 19, 2010 12:15 PM
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Converting America?

Posted by: woodstock-41 | November 19, 2010 10:21 AM
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Nazi said:*Deutschreich uber alles*
Muslim says: Islam uber alles.

Nazi said:*Wir sind Master Race*
Muslim says:Islam is Master,namely,Islam is Right others are Fake,namely,My Book is Correct,Others are Corrupted.

Nazi said:*Mein Kampf*(My Struggle)
Muslim says: Jihad/Holy War means Struggle.

Nazi said:*Europe ist meine Lebens Raum*
Islam says: Whole World is My Property.

Nazi said:*Nazism will dominate whole world*
Islam says:Infidel Lands should be conquered.48.1
Despite infidels dont want,Allah will complete His Light.

Fear Islam/Submission,Love Muslim.
Fear Bedouin Order,but,Love Bedouin Order Follower.
Fear Holy War,but,Love Holy Warrior.

No,this is not Accurate Reason.

Posted by: halozcel2 | November 19, 2010 8:09 AM
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Today's News on Islam means Peace:
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/man-accused-of-blasphemy-killed-in-pakistan/713003/

A man accused of blasphemy was shot and killed near his home in the eastern Pakistani city of Lahore shortly after being granted bail by a court, according to a media report.
Imran Latif, 22, was accused of burning pages of the Quran in a case registered at Sherakot police station in Lahore and spent five months in jail.
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Inspector Rafique Ahmed, who is investigating the murder, said Latif's killing was likely linked to the blasphemy case. "No Muslim tolerates a man who commits blasphemous acts," he said.
Latif's 60-year-old mother Sharifan said two men armed with pistols had knocked at the door of their house near Pir Makki shrine on November 11 and asked Latif to accompany them.

"A few yards from the house, they suddenly opened fire," she said. She said her son was shot five times and the attackers fled on a motorcycle.

"There were policemen present in the street but no one tried to stop them," she said.

Latif's brother Haider Ali said he was innocent in the blasphemy case.
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Posted by: AKafir | November 18, 2010 11:03 PM
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The great con men of human history:

- Mohammed and his mythical friend Gabriel

- Paul, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John

- Joe Smith and his mythical friend Moroni

- the Jewish scribes with the mythical Adam and Eve, Noah, Abraham, Moses and Job

Posted by: rambollini-1 | November 18, 2010 3:58 PM
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What if we collect all the beautiful, non-sectarian, non-discriminatory sayings that are full of love and compassion into one new book and call that the new scripture?
Will this solve all the problems? Will it not be truly interfaith? Will the stakeholders (powers that be) of all the major organized religions allow such an endeavor?

Posted by: kst2 | November 18, 2010 3:49 PM
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No compulsion in Religion in Islam and Interfaith Dialog in the Muslim Countries:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south+asia-10644685

It is compulsory for citizens of the Maldives to be Sunni Muslims.

Despite the rigidity of its religious laws, the Maldives was recently elected to the United Nations Human Rights Council.

He asked a foreign charity to help him seek asylum in Britain because, he said, "there is no place for non-Muslim Maldivians in this society".

He was afraid for his life and knew no-one in the country who could help him, he added.

The website said his employer at the airport had launched an investigation into his lack of belief and referred him to the Ministry of Islamic Affairs.

It quoted one colleague as alleging that Didi had "openly insulted God".

The Maldives' constitution demands that all its citizens be Muslim, and religious office-holders regularly stress the unacceptability of other faiths being accepted or propagated.

He was found on Tuesday hanging at his workplace - the air traffic control tower at the international airport in the capital, Male.

In May, a 37-year-old Maldivian man professed to be non-Muslim at a public meeting with a visiting Indian preacher, Zakir Naik.

An NGO, the Islamic Foundation of the Maldives, declared that if he did not repent he should be sentenced to death.

Three days later the man went on television, recanted and asked for forgiveness.
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This is not even one of the egregious examples of how Kafirs are treated by Islam. For that see Sharia States like Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan, etc.

Posted by: AKafir | November 18, 2010 3:37 PM
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"Prince Turki read the many verses of the Qur'an about Jesus. .."

No one cares what the koran says about Jesus; no one. Jesus did not hang people who insulted him. Mohammed your prophet killed those who insulted him.
There are more bigots in islam than any other religion. Did you slaughter an animal for allah? if so was allah satisfied with all the animal blood? Apparently not because now non-muslim human blood is needed.

“I talked about the religious intolerance faced by too many Muslim kids, and my fears for my own in this environment of Islamophobia.”

What about the religious intolerance faced by the millions of non-muslims in Pakistan, Iran, Indonesia…? This woman in Pakistan faces death, did you talk about Christian kids not being able to drink out of the muslim drinking pool? The one that gets contaminated.
You are a hypocrite Eboo, I don’t know how you gat paid for this? Shame on you!

Posted by: Arif2 | November 18, 2010 2:26 PM
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Eboo, You are as shameless as shameless can be. 2.5 to 3 Million Muslims just finished performing Hajj. These Muslims confirmed that they view the Non-Muslims as filthy and unclean as your Allah says they are in the Quran. Iran's judiciary sentenced a convert to Christianity to death for leaving Islam. Last weeek a christian woman is sentenced to death in Pakistan under its blasphemy laws. Allah hates the non-muslims and curses the jews and threatens the idolators on every other page of the Quran. And you shamelessly want to imply that Islam has anything to offer to the covenant of that the Christian is talking about. At least his God considers all humans as his children. Your Allah hates 80% of humanity and promises them an eternity of the most unimaginable torture.
Your livlihood depends on lying about Islam and trying to deceive the Kafirs. Look up the word despicable.

Posted by: AKafir | November 18, 2010 1:19 PM
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Eboo, this is such a non-issue, are you going to talk about the real reason people fear/hate islam? there is a blasphemy case in Pakistan where they want to kill a woman who maybe said the truth about your womanizing prophet. Then there was a man killed in pakistan after his case was dismissed. The people killed him after the court could not convict him. We all know what is wrong with islam, do you?

Posted by: Arif2 | November 18, 2010 1:12 PM
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