The author writes:

Indeed, there are verses in the Quran that seem to be tough against Jews
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Here's the problem, Hesham. Muslims do not exist in Judaism. Get it?

Your plagiarized holy book is your problem. Let the Jews and Christians out of it; free all our prophets from your expropriating, imperialist pages, and we'll all be just fine.

As for what your book says of Jews, I do not give a fig for how your book describes Jews, CHRISTIANS (hello?) or anyone else. No one does.

What arrogance. Astonishing, really.

AKafir

You wrote, "Islam is literally defined by its hatred for the Jews. One third of the Quran is literally a diatribe by Allah against the Jews."

If one were to believe in the God of the Torah and if one were to believe that the Jews are the Chosen People and by the "Chosen People", I do not mean better or anything of the kind, but as chosen and formed by God and that Jesus was born and lived and died as a Jew and that Jesus was crucified and died, than the "identity" of the god of islam should be pretty obvious.

And if one were to throw in that Jesus rose from the dead and that Jesus was/is God-Incarnate, than not only is the "identity" of the god of islam obvious but the fact that he is not only a loser but s sore loser is quite evident in what he is trying to do with his lies.

As I have said, it seems as if quite a few are going to be quite surprised that God is a searcher of hearts and minds, not of religious affiliations or lack thereof.

God's Plan is not only for all of humanity but for all of creation.

Take care, be ready.

Sincerely, Thomas Paul Moses Baum.

asizk Part I

You wrote, "IF the OT were not corrupted why then did jews-and still do now- deny Jesus and his mission altogether?"

It is spoken of that not all would recognize when the Messiah came but this does not in the least take away from the fact that the Jews are the Chosen People, chosen and formed by God.

You then wrote, " If the OT were original why did it not predict the coming of Jesus? And the coming of Muhammad?"

Jesus is spoken of in the OT and Muhammed, maybe not by name, is spoken of in the NT, but why would Muhammad be spoken of since he is not a prophet of God?

Muhammed is among the many anti-Christs that have come along.

You then wrote, "Both Prophets have now the world's two greatest faiths."

What do you mean by the "world's two greatest faiths"?

Christianity speaks of God becoming One of us and taking upon Himself All of the sins of All of humanity and that God's Kingdom is not of this world and islam speaks of world domination thru an earthly theocratic government but I should say theowannabecratic government since the god of islam is not God but is satan attempting to portray God-Incarnate as his prophet.

Don't you find it strange that the god of islam speaks highly of the Jesus spoken of in the Quran but in fact the Jesus spoken of in the Quran bears very little similarity to the Jesus spoken of in the Bible.

As a matter of fact the god of islam speaks most vulgarly of the Jesus spoken of in the Bible, is this not so?

You then wrote, "This 'debate' should not focus on theology because this froum does not lend itself to such complex issues."

It is not "theology" but the absolute disparity between the Bible claiming that Jesus is God-Incarnate and the Quran saying Jesus was merely a prophet.

It is also not "theology" that the Quran is all about world domination.

It is also not "theology" that the god of islam is satan and tries to claim God-Incarnate as his prophet.

You then wrote, "Instead it should focus on present issues such as the Palestine issue to put and end to jewish occupation,racism,apartheid,ethnic clenasing and exiled-all imposed by jews on the helpless and downtrroden Palestinain People over the past 63 yeras."

Maybe one focus could be the total incompatability between the Bible and the Quran.

Pretending that there is a natural flow from the OT to the NT to the Quran is absolute rubbish.

asizk Part II

You also wrote, "Jews persecuted and tried to murder Jesus the son of Mary but God saved him as he always did with all his Prophets"

Is John the Baptist considered a prophet in islam?

Actually, since the Jews at the time were a people in subjugation to Roman rule and did not have the authority to impose the death penalty, it was the Romans who had Jesus crucified and just because satan deceived Muhammed when satan gave the Quran to Muhammed does not change history.

You also wrote, " Muslims believe in Jesus as a holy prophet from God thru the miraculous birth from his chaste mother,saintly and righteous woman-She is the only woman in the Quran to be addressed by her very name -Mraiam-and a whole chapter,#19,is entirely dedicated to her."

Have you ever noticed that there are many, many women mentioned in the OT by name, I suppose that since satan couldn't get around twisting the whole story of Jesus without mentioning Mary that satan had to include her.

I don't know but I would imagine that the Mary spoken of in the Quran and the Mary spoken of in the Bible are spoken of quite differently since satan, I believe, was mighty perturbed by Mary's YES, because it was at the moment of Mary's YES, that God became Incarnate.

In the Bible, Jesus refers to God as His Father and when Jesus was asked to teach His Apostles to pray, He said to address God as "Our Father...", Jesus also said, "I and the Father are One", Jesus did not say that He had been One with the Father but Is One, Jesus also said that He would send the Holy Spirit, is there anything about this in the Quran?

Doesn't the god of islam get very upset if anyone refers to him as father or if anyone refers to themself as a son or daughter of God?

Jesus referred to satan as the father of all lies and the Quran is filled with lies and distortions and also with some truth and as anyone should know, lies with some truth can be harder to see thru than lies with no truth.

As I have said many times: The True, Living, Triune, Triumphant God is a searcher of hearts and minds, not of religious affiliations or lack thereof.

In the Bible, Jesus also said, "I Am the Way, the Truth and the Life...", is this also conveniently missing from the Quran?

See you and the rest of humanity in the Kingdom.

Take care, be ready.

Sincerely, Thomas Paul Moses Baum.

A K A F I R:

"Better to be 'Lazy' at the-right-time than to be 'Lazy' (i.e., to write; or take time to better-explain a Point here or there) at the-wrong-moment"

Amazing how so many of US BlogerCEN'z, can simultaneously think in the same 'Giest' or in the simultaneity of HUUMATE "Heuristic-Introvision-frequency"s [HIF] thinking, so to spaketh Truth(ooposite MYTH).

EXAMPLE: The "Correlation[Coefficient] Regressioning 'Phenomena/ON chanelled Synapse' that Hir Honorable & 'Prophet' Charles Darwin {pbuh] & CO., had (Thinking simultaneously on the 'EVOLUTing-Use' in Miracle, Zero Sin/Curse..., Mystery) And that of Mr. [almost Unsung Prophet{pbuh et al}, Brother Wallace & CO.] Besides Charles Darwin, Please also see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Russel_Wallace

EXCERPT: "Although [DARWIN et al] discussed his ideas with several naturalists, he needed time for extensive research and his geological work had priority.[10] He was writing up his theory in 1858 when Alfred Russel Wallace sent him an essay which described the same idea, prompting immediate joint publication of both of their theories.[11] Darwin's work established evolutionary descent with modification as the dominant scientific explanation of diversification in nature."

BUT Yo must see:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3814/is_200401/ai_n9383857/

EXCERPT: "... Those who talk most of the organism, physiologists and psychologists, are often just those who display least sense of the intimate, delicate and subtle interdependence of all organic structures and processes with one another. . . .To see the organism in nature. . .is the answer to the problems which haunt philosophy [TODAY & Morrow]. And when thus seen they will be seen to be in, not as marbles are in a box but as events are in history, in a moving, growing never finished process[a/k/a the Apocalyptari-ON's, never Off's, "ETERNITY AVOiDING LONLiNESS" truth, no Myth, that Evolves "iTSELF" (G_D like, No HE NO SHE, but simply is-being an "IT", in and out of US-ALL, in Miracle/Motion/JOB/WORK; never in Pre-Apocalyptic Stagnant SIN & MYSTIC-[Man-Made] stories, Zero History!!!]. ....(Dewey, 1958,).

Note: Because WE[i] art in the middle of Distributing OUR WORK (New-Philosophy, aka a New-Song, a new-writings Born'th from All our Oldy's Of course).

EBOO PATEL: WHERE or WHAT does the "Chicago-Based "NATION OF IShLAM" (a RADICAL yet, Imported Religion System here) Have to Say about Building On Holyi-Ground WTC? or On This Mail being sent via Cargo Plains to "SiNagogue"s or Chicago Landa? Pleas see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation_of_Islam_and_antisemitism EXCERPT

"Farrakhan: "Is the Federal Reserve owned by the government?..Farrakhan: "Who owns the federal reserve?.. Farrakhan:The same year they set up the IRS, they set up the FBI. And the same year..the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai Birth..It could be a coincidence..I want to see Black intellectuals FREE..Not Control'd by JU's..!" OYE?

Farnaz,
The point was that one does not even have to raise the historical claim of the jews as natives of that land to demonstrate the hypocrisy of the Stance of the OIC states. We now know that all humans are descendants from essentially the same few villages somewhere in Africa, and we are the same spieces.
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"Jews" is a proper noun and is, therefore, capitalized, akafir. :0

The "Canaanites" are not the present-day Christians or Muslims.

Neither Jews, nor Muslims, nor Christians drink urine as part of their observance.

Secular writes: "Akafir you wrote,
The Hebrew tribes came from Egypt and entered the historical Palestine about 1300 years BC; "

I did not write that.

Ooops. That was meant for ANJUN BHARGAVA's spool.

Att: ANJU BHARGAVA at HINDU AMERICAN SEVA CHARITIES, et al;

iNteresting:

i[We] predicted that ye folk like D. Chopra, E., Patel & Similar Jealous CULT-tures would post very-soon after i[WE] EC{AT-i-ON's of NEW-SONG (Apocalyptarian WW/Web-citizens) do; Yet

Suddenly, via HiNDUTVA-Agents are infiltrating-OUR-Government [Here] and boldly claiming that, "America's 2.1 Million Hindu's" have somehow, now a SINGULARITY of Religion instead? Oye...!

Why is it that YE Hindutva Keep 'Pre-Dating' ye Posts (i.e., YO Posted ye 'DIWALi' thing +/- Noon-time SATURDAY, Oct.6th; NOt Oct.5th at 2:02Pm?, and then writing something in parallel to OUR Posts? i.e., see genuine post on Honorable Arun Gandhi's blog here this FRI-PM. based on me"DHALWi (Hannukah)..." tome?

PS: You wrote: "Service [By US Blogger's] which is given without consideration of anything in return [Except for Credit Where/when Due diligent belongs], at the right place and time [On 'ONFAITH' here] to 1/EK [i.e., woodstock-41, "jo{z{ev{z" et al] that is qualified, with the feeling that it is one's duty, is regarded as the nature of goodness. Bhagavad Gita 17.20"

Pleaza, Stop Rehashing Our Work as if ye Original then profiteering off our ("SUPREME-American"s not New-Americans necks?

Recommendation: David Waters et al; Should have a Policy To 'Stamp" Any Moderators Post twice. 1st when THEY Originally Wrote said Article and 2nd when Actually Posted (in Real Time) Just likeUS Bloger's.

Statistically speaking (via Correlation//Coefficient//Regression, Probability analysis, not a Coincidence) THAT;

Some Moderators here hath been saying the same 'Theme' or saying the same thing, but differently HERE or there AFTER WE[i] post such tome-matter thus living-off our intelectl-Property via OUR time & OUR Brains].Need to KNOW?

SHAME On [JEALOUS] David Waters , Elizabeth Tenety Lisa Miller, now Susan Jacobs & CO.; For BLOCKING (Discrimination) and or redirecting our/me '1st Amendment' rights or diverting OUR Posts [Intellectual Property] here and our response (Which Ye directly & in, Plagiarize & profit from) to any subject put-up here for (honest?) open & righteous discussion. OYE!

ELSE, Close-Down this Sight! And

Pleazza, Stop Placing 'Tracking Cookies' on certain (Targeted) intellectual Blogger's, planted behind certain Advertisements, i.e., via Double-Click', in order to see where WE[i] go, and or what We[i] research, Aye!?

PS: i[WE] like "Mr. SiDNEY HARTMAN" but Not self serving Jealous Xrstian's like David Waters & CO.!

Maybe Mr. HARTMAN should know what's really going-On, and say "YOUR-FIRED!" aye?
Soo, Loyal-folk like US Bloggers can make or break this ONFAITH? sight or any respectful sight; never the other-way around; yet WE-ican help "Newsweek" become the Envy of Even "TIME" Magazine or any FOREIGN magz/blogerzen's.

Time for MEDiA like "jpost" to Bow &show respect for BLOGERzen Else CONTENT-DEPRESSION will kickin.

Akafir you wrote,
The Hebrew tribes came from Egypt and entered the historical Palestine about 1300 years BC; about 3300 years ago. The land they entered was populated by Canaanites. The present day Christians and the vast majority of Muslims are the descendents of those Canaanites.

Even the Israeli Archeology department now does not uphold this claim that hebrew tribes migrating from Egypt. They found no evidence to support the exodus myths. As goes with each and every scripture, they are compilation of fertile minds. The minds made fertile by manure.

Does Pakistan have the right o exist?

It was a phoney operation from the outset, and it never has worked well.

"The Hebrew tribes came from Egypt and entered the historical Palestine about 1300 years BC; about 3300 years ago. The land they entered was populated by Canaanites. The present day Christians and the vast majority of Muslims are the descendents of those Canaanites."

Err...no.

woodstock41: I agree that the world is awfully small like a 'spaceship' these days, and it is no longer possible to have divisions of humans into us and them. That is why we do not have the luxury of ignoring the 1+billion muslims, or treating them as if they are incapable of hearing and dealing with honest criticism. In the past they have avoided criticism and acting on it by killing the critics. With the newer communication technologies they are unable to kill all the critics although they still try and have succeeded occasionally. However I have great faith in the underlying human resilience. One can see from Asizk and Yousuf's response that they are totally unaccustomed to hearing the blunt truth about the dark side of Islam. That is a recent phenomenon. Change will happen, but it will take time. Hopefully it will be a lot faster than what it was for other religions.
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Farnaz,
The point was that one does not even have to raise the historical claim of the jews as natives of that land to demonstrate the hypocrisy of the Stance of the OIC states. We now know that all humans are descendants from essentially the same few villages somewhere in Africa, and we are the same spieces. The differences are quite recent, and our very violent history has led to great dislocations and deaths of people and borders of who occupies what are drawn and redrawn repeatedly. Languages and with them cultures and way of life are dying as the world shrinks. We have wide disparity among the people, and the communication and travel technologies have raced way ahead of our ability to maintain social order. Humans will survive this as well. Islam will change or it will disappear. It has already lost the intellectual argument. Now it is really up to the Muslims how they want to manage the change that is inevitable.

Farnaz says:
“Btw., Akafir, Jews have lived in Israel for nearly 6,000 years. The majority of Israeli Jews are African and Middle Eastern. Christians and Muslims are the newcomers.”

The Hebrew tribes came from Egypt and entered the historical Palestine about 1300 years BC; about 3300 years ago. The land they entered was populated by Canaanites. The present day Christians and the vast majority of Muslims are the descendents of those Canaanites. Surely they had become arabised: adopted the Arabic language and most the Muslim religion but are racially distinct from full bloodied Arabs. Recent genetic studies showed closer genetic signatures between the Palestinian and the Eastern Jews than between the Palestinians and the people of the Arabian Peninsula.

“A study, published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, found that Jewish men shared a common set of genetic signatures with non-Jews from the Middle East, including Palestinians, Syrians, and Lebanese.”
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/sci/tech/742430.stm

to: A K A F I R

Habbibi-a/o; iNteresting Yo.

i[WE] nay think'th to 'reprimand' anyone, especially Ye. Please also see the difference (similar or)'Cradle Of Islam' [NOt the only the "Cradle Of Democracy"]. @

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banu_Hashim

PS: It's about Pre-Apocalyptic PAGAN, "Baal", 'ORIRIS'... from the PRE-iSlami. And NO ONE HAS ANY "D.N.A." of Muhammads; Directly nor inDirectly. Soo,

There is nothing 'MODERN' (Apocalyptic-like) about past tribes killing each the other within the same tribes/SECTs/CULTs/Family.. is "ORGANIZED" Religion" with Consciouses. And With such there is "HISTORY" (our JURY; Judge & Witness too) made by such Church-Based ORGs.

WHO Cares [Today] about who preserves the [old] Organized-Religion Status-Quo. This applies not only to the "JUDEO-iSHLAMi, Juseo-Abe ESAUi"s but, Also All the Judeo-Xrstians, Judeo-ABEics, Judeo-Krishna, Judeo-Monks, lalalal.

The World Must UNITE (not like as "THEM" and "I"; But "US" together forever With "SOURCE-1/EK/ONE/UNNO/Adjeen...

OUR WORLD;

The Miraculous S.PACE-S.HIP EARTH Born'th from Holyi NEBULA, and therefore bEiNG a Prophecy in Holyi Cosmic Motion for US; thus Appearing US in "IT" amazing Holyi Cosmic PEACE-BLESSINGs upon US, nay via anyones SUPERSTUPIDSTITIUS (un)Holyi cosmic WAR-BLESSINGs... [NO Exceptions!].

Hint: Me tribe is now the Amazing, UMMA/COMMUNITY, Great UNITED STATES of AMERICA! The 22nd Century's great "REPUBLIC" (nay a Democracy only); beyond JUST being a long-lived EMPIRE, for the GOOD, Never the BAD?!

Note: ISRAEL (now THIRD TEMPLE) is the Last Tribe. They used to be 1st. Now they are Last on the "PASSOVER-LiNE" [Celebrating the Mass-Murders of Baby's, aka 1st Borns. O' POPES, O' CHURCH's.. et al??]. SHAME!

Please see "MENS REA" (Guilty Mind)s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mens_rea

Note: This applies to NATIONS/GOVERNMENT(s),
not justly for Individuals per se.

Christian Orthodox archbishops are urging Iranian christians to leave Iran, following the slaughter of the 90. Iraq is being asked to give them refuge. Out of the fire into the fire. But no one cares. ME christians don't have oil, and neither do Jews or West Papuans or the sweepers of Pakistan.

In the meantime, Angela Watkin managed with great difficulty to conduct a survey in Syria. People would like an end to martial law, dictatorship, the disintegration of the appalling education system, once among the best.

Lotsa luck. Syria's days are numbered. Once the Hariri affair is settled, look for violence in Lebanon, Nejad comes to the rescue. He loathes Assad, understandably, I have to say, didn't even bother to invite him to the Hezbollah rally. Meanwhile, Assad is quietly whining that he would like Hezbollah out of Syria, whence they have finally arrived.

And so the sham will end. Both Lebanon and Syria will become Greater Iran, and the people of my native country will continue to suffer.

Btw., Akafir, Jews have lived in Israel for nearly 6,000 years. The majority of Israeli Jews are African and Middle Eastern. christians and muslims are the newcomers.

THe questioning of Israel's "right to exist" is, well, stupid, no offense to anyone. It exists, and is not going anywhere, anytime.

As for "rights" to exist, that question legitimately arises with respect to Apartheid America, Australia, and Canada, the latter two finishing off their indigenous peoples just as we have almost completed the job. The matter has come up in the United Nations.

http://www.treatycouncil.org/PDFs/CERD_US_Indigenous_Shadow_Report%20amended.pdf

Then, of course, there is the question of whether Indonesia has the right to exist, along with the matter of its continuing genocide of the West Papuans. And who is Indonesia's best buddy?

http://pacific.scoop.co.nz/2010/07/us-moves-to-give-support-to-indonesias-kopassus-special-force/

woodstock-41

I am not sure if you are 'reprimanding' me for being lazy and using the slang "tribe".

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/256540/Banu-Hashim

http://english.aljazeera.net/focus/arabunity/2008/02/2008525183443732794.html

Hopefully the material at those links will clarify.

The point I was making was that British created Israel and Jordan and the rulers of each were not Palestinians. The Arabs are up in arms about the rights of Palestinians in Israel but totally silent with respect to Jordan. Why? It is because Israel is jewish while the other is Islamic. Israel clearly has as much legitimacy as Jordan even if one totally discounts the historical claims of the Jews. Muslims cannot accept Israel because it is Jewish and no amount of "land for peace" will ever resolve that hatred. Islam is literally defined by its hatred for the Jews. One third of the Quran is literally a diatribe by Allah against the Jews. As Asizk states, jews and christians, corrupted the word of Allah, and it is only Muslims who are true followers of the Monotheistic Monster Allah. A jew will always be a "deviant" who follows the corrupt and distorted word of that monster for Muslim by definition. That definition has as much chance of being changed as changing a word in the Quran.

OYE...!

Asizk,

You wanted an example of your racism, but provide it in the post wherein you make your request:

"'Ahmadis,' 'ismalis' and Druze are not Muslims:they are secertive and estoric groups and have nothing to do with main stream Islam."

Ahmadi Muslims, Ismaeli Shiia Muslims, and Druze are MUSLIMS.

Just as you are muslim. I am a JEW, one of three million driven into exile from their ME homelands.

Azisk, you are hopeless, truly. Get help.

A K A F I R:

"..Banu-Hashim 'TRiBE'tribe from Mecca.."

What is That?

Asizk:
And your true identity is "Asizk" ? What difference does my identity makes to any arguments I provide? Does the logic depend upon the nationality, the name, or the religion of one using it? So you can judge what level of logic your own arguments rise to?

You did not even attempt to answer:
1) Why the Banu Hashim tribe from Mecca be considered Palestinians, and hence the Jordanians any more legitimate than the Israelis?
2) Why Greater Assyria is not a far more legitimate entity than the far more recent Ash-sham (Greater Syria), and hence the assyrians the rightful inhabitants of the lands rather than the invading tribes from Arabia, Egypt, North Africa?
3) Why the descendents of the slaves from Hind, the Al-Hindi, be considered Palestinians at all? Should they not be returned to Hind?

Hopefully, you can see the totally arbitrary logic you apply to assert the supremacy of the "arab" claim to the land of others. As you pointed out Arab is a linguistic designation, and that is why Egyptians are arabs today. What happened to their language? Today many Pakistanis are clamoring for Arabic to be made a national language of Pakistan, and they consider Panjabi their own mother tongue as Kafir language and refuse to teach it in schools!! That is why the West Pakistanis called the East pakistanis "half hindus" and tried to convince the Bangalis that their language was Kafir language because its "dev-nagri" like script was closer to hindi than the arabic script used in Urdu. The persians missed by a hair becoming arabs although they disowned their own script for the arabic script and were well on their way to becoming utterly Arabicized except a few great Persian poets refused to let Persian die and ended up reviving it. That is why Ayatollah Sistani considers himself Arab while Ayatollah Khamenii calls himself an iranian.

However, I do thank you for showing what a rabid jew hater you as a follower of Muhammad are, and how you represent the true face of Islam as far as the jews are concerned than the taqqiya ridden Eboo or the nice guy Hashem.

Ooopps.

THAT, WE[i] AMERICAN-a-o's, 10% of its National Security (BUDGET), and or Federal "GDP", in order to counter-Act, and or to deter, but simultaneously, to annihilate [Forever; The "PRE-APOACLYPTIC" imaginating Threat against US, "APOCALYPTIC" Realist thinkers.}a/k/a OUR 'ENEMIES' NO Exception; No Mercy; Evil Boys n Gals!!}.

Note:

Fact. For Your and Democratic right iNformation; THAT

Since "911" America (State & Federal hath Spent, Not in Vain, some +/- of its own Economic 'GDP' via Stas: THAT

Tell US (Ameriks) People from the-ABROAD Will Always Be JEalous!

Hence: THiNK Globally and ACT LOcally! YO/YE.

WE[i] Made Them; Now They (Before our old Ages)DARE to Teach-The-Teachers!????????

NAY! O' Ye/YO Punkarino's et al!

kafir and others,

The Great Ali ben Abi Taleb,the fourth Caliph,the cousin of the Prophet, a ascteic,devout,bold warraior yet a sage and an eloquent man of high moral standing-once said:"I have always won debates with the learned and wise (because one can reason with them);But,he added, I have always lost debates with the ignorant and unlearned."

With all due respect U don't seem to rise to the occassion of having an intelligent discussion-except worthless and empty low level ploemics. I strongly suggest u do some serious reading of history modern and medieval as well as contemporary politics. Perhaps we can then have a useful dicussion. Also u might want to have the courage to reveal your identity-not your personal identity of course-but what are U:a jew ,a hindu..a liberal,conservative...etc...

Our "discussion" is futile so let us close it.

Asizk:

My post just got eaten by the WAPO system.

Why stop at Greater Syria? I think you mean Ash-sham. Why not go to Greater Assyria? Why not kick out all the invaders from North Africa, Egypt, Arabia out and give the land back to the assyrians? Then what you want to do with the offspring of the million of slaves from Hind who have flown into the people of that region? Do you consider all the Al-hindis more legitimate than the kafir assyrians?

Why did Sharif Hussein ibn Ali of Banu Hashim refuse to accept the Ottoman rule over Arabia and declare himself Khalifa? If there were no borders, why did the Banu Hashim striving to throw the turks out of arabia? Why did Saud not accept Sharif as Khalifa, but would not accept the Turkish Khalifa either? Why was Abdullah I assassinated by a Palestinian from the Husseini tribe?
Meccan rulers because Banu Hashim were never from Palestine. But they you consider Palestinians although the Palestinians never accepted them. Why was Arafat expelled from Jordan?

History is very obstinate. Isn't it? It does not mold to your desires and wishes as you want.

Asizk writes: "kafir(mossad opeartive),

U keep changing the subject. But happy to expose your ignorance and fabrications which u insist on advertising."

First I thank you for the compliment of calling me an mossed operative. Your cohort Yasser complements as a "lousy hindu". I am happy to be a Yahood-Hanood Kafir.

Now why Greater Syria? I think you mean Ash-sham. But why not go back to the true owners to Greater Assyria? Don't you think the occupiers from Arabia, Egypt, and North Africa, should leave Assyria and return the land to their rightful owners? Now what do you propose should be done with the offspring of all the millions of hindis that were brought in as slaves and who have blended into the historical flow of that region? Do you know where the name Al-Hindi that is quite common amongst the Palestinians comes from? So what do you propose do with all the Al-Hindis in that region? Do they still have their passports?

Once again Mr. Patel's column, this time with guest Dr. Hassaballa, attempts to teach us non-muslims about how peaceful, tolerant and loving islam is.

Please understand, Mr. Patel and Dr. Hassaballa, that it is NOT the non-muslim readership of the Post that needs to hear this message; rather it is your co-religionists that need to listen to and heed your advice. Your column would be much more appreciated by me if it appeared in the Saudi Gazette or Tehran Times, or better yet, Arabic language publications in the muslim world.

Muhammad co-opted the Jewish and Christian prophet figures into islam in much the same way that early Christianity co-opted pagan rituals: Christmas coincides with the winter solstice and Easter's timing is borrowed from pagan fertility festivals in spring. This was done purely to ease the conversion of non-believers who were culturally "used to seeing things that way". In citing earlier Jewish and Christian prophets in his "revelations", and professing a lineage from them, Muhammad was simply seeking to legitimize his own status as a "prophet of god".

And as far as islam's problems with Jews are concerned, there is the following from the hadith:

"The Day of Resurrection will not arrive until the Moslems make war against the Jews and kill them, and until a Jew hiding behind a rock and tree, and the rock and tree will say: 'Oh Moslem, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!'" (Sahih Bukhari 004.52.176)

I'd be more that willing to concede that this verse should be viewed only in an historical context, that is, if it didn't mention the day of resurrection as it's expiration date, and the fact that a disturbingly high percentage of islamic leaders use it to justify violence against the Jews.

Gentlemen, your soothing words just won't convince us how peaceful, tolerant and loving islam is; daily news reports from around the world seem to indicate otherwise.

Please don't preach to us non-believers; rather you should take your message to the likes of Osama bin Laden, Abu Hazma, Ayman al-Zawahiri, Ali Hoseyni Khāmene’i, Anwar al-Awlaki, Abdallah Samak, Galal Al-Khatib and the followers that embrace their view of your ideology.

kafir,

What "Meccan" rulers? Was Mecca a state on Mars? It was and still is the heart of the Arab and Islamic World-and those MEccans were recieved warmly and overwhelmingly by Arabs in Damascus the capital of Greater Syria in 1916. There were no borders in all the Arab East until colonialism divided and mutialted it and erected artificial borders between them:the population is overwhelmingly Arab/Muslims with the same culture,langauge and history. If an alein occupying polish jew like simon perez can come all the way from Poland to occupy and rule Palestinian Arabs-why can not an Arab Muslim come from MEcca to Damascus,Jerusalem,Baghad or Amman to rule Arabs like him by consent??

An Umayyad prince early in the 8th century AD whose immediate family came from MEcca and ruled the ISlamic World from Damascus (661-749AD)even moved to and ruled Muslim Spain-where your jewish acestores had their golden age under Muslim rule.

kafir(mossad opeartive),

U keep changing the subject. But happy to expose your ignorance and fabrications which u insist on advertising.

* There is no such thing as 'isrl':it is an illegitimate amalgam of illegal armed immigrants from over sixty nations of all kinds of races,colors,cultures and faiths-created by colonial Britain under the powerful influnce of British and European jews-on the southern part of Syria historically knwon as PAlestine.

Treacharous colonial Britain & France cut up and mutilated Greater Syria into: 'Lebanon,' 'Jordan', "Syria" PAlestine and Alexandertta-when these satelets were one whole from times imemorial.

This treacharous mutialtion of Greater Syria (Sykes-Picott,1916 and Balfour 1917)was done to destroy its historical,natural,cultural and politiac unity so an alien racist apartheid jewish entity can be created on top of an already existing existing Palestine.

Britain did not create except the cancerous cest called 'isrl'-in fact it destroyed the Arab East-all to plant the cancerous jewish colonial entity.

France finished the job by giving the Syrian province of Alexandertta to Turkey in a horse trading deal in 19139. Britain created the illegitimate jewsih entity about 10 years later in 1947/8 on pyramids of Palestinian skulls which and jews are piling more of them every day.

The muitilation of Greater Syria was done to keep it weak and devided so they can not stand up together to liberate Arab PAlestine from alein jewish occupation.

Greater Syria-with all its parts including Jordan- existed long before Britian and Frnace ever existed-and GS did not need to be created because it was always there:it just needed to be "mutialted" in order to prepare the scene for the anomalous creation of the passing phenomenon called 'isrl,' which is an artifical and manufactured entity on its way out.

Therfeore Britain-and France-gave what they don't own to those who do not deserve.

The mutilated parts of Greater Syria will sooner or later come together as one state to be able to recover Arab PAlestine and liberate the 5.5 million occupied Palestinian People for 63 years and allow the 6 rpt six million exiled Palestinians also since 1947 to return to their homes in Jerusalem, Hafia, Acre,JAffa etc...and give safe passage to the illegal alein jews so they can return to Europe,Russia and other places-they still have their their passports.

Asizk:

I ask you again. Is Jordan a legitimate country, given that the "Jordanians" are not Palestinians but transplanted from Mecca? It is the British who established Jordan as a country and imposed Meccans as rulers on the poor Palestinians. Arafat tried to overthrow the rulers but was thrown out of Jordan. What do you say? Is Jordan any more legitimate than Israel in your eyes?

FarnazMansouri2,

Again would u care to give us one word in my post to show that am a 'racist?' Am confident u can not. Besides your claim is not only false but is silly and hides behind braod generalties.

'Ahmadis,' 'ismalis' and Druze are not Muslims:they are secertive and estoric groups and have nothing to do with main stream Islam.

All the same:they are free to worship as they see fit and I have nothing at all against them:if they are in error then it is between them and God who is the ultimate and only judge. The Quarn clearly says:"No compulsion in religion" and "Let who wish believe and let him not who does not."

Some people on this forum insist on advertising their ignorance:they feel inadequate to respond to my well-reseached posts,and are unable to handle issues with objectivity and civilty-they turn into name calling and false accusation-not befitting this froum-and do me no harm as it does to them.

Both the OT and NT had been corrupted and altered over the centiries-deliberately or not:

* IF the OT were not corrupted why then did jews-and still do now- deny Jesus and his mission altogether? If the OT were original why did it not predict the coming of Jesus? And the coming of Muhammad? Both Prophets have now the world's two greatest faiths.

* Ishamel the older son of Abraham was lead by his father for a scarifice and not Isaac who was not even born yet. Clearly jewish clergy tampered with the OT. OT claims that Lot -who was a Prophet of God according to the Quran-committed adultery with own duaghters!!!!!And Jaccob battled god all night long!!! Can any intelleigent and rational human being believe this nonsense and falsfication? Certainly the OT has some but not all the truth.

* Jews persecuted and tried to murder Jesus the son of Mary but God saved him as he always did with all his Prophets:He saved Moses from Pharoah and Muhammad from the heathen Arabs who tried to murder him in his sleep and twice from jewsish assasinations and murder in Medina:they tried to drop a large rock on his head and on another occassion tried to poison him-but God saved all the same.

Muslims believe as an article of faith in all Prophets of God from Adam,Abraham,Ishamel,Isaac,Moses,Jesus and Muhammad. Like the early Christain momontheist Arius with the largest following, Muslims believe in Jesus as a holy prophet from God thru the miraculous birth from his chaste mother,saintly and righteous woman-She is the only woman in the Quran to be addressed by her very name -Mraiam-and a whole chapter,#19,is entirely dedicated to her.

This 'debate' should not focus on theology because this froum does not lend itself to such complex issues.

Instead it should focus on present issues such as the Palestine issue to put and end to jewish occupation,racism,apartheid,ethnic clenasing and exiled-all imposed by jews on the helpless and downtrroden Palestinain People over the past 63 yeras.

Americans of good will and decency should speak up against the control and tight grip of the jewish community-AIPAC,ADL..etc... whose loyalty is clearly not to America but to the apartheid racist state 'isrl.' American are really tired of paying their taxes to support a brutal jewish occupation of all Arab historic PAlestine and to the building of colonial settlements on Arab land-when American taxpayers are jobless and can't even pay to keep their own homes.

It is moral and ethical for America to stand up with the oppressed and occupied Palestinan People and its countr to the US national interests to support 'isrl' and its brutal occupation.Many patriotic Americans realize thi

Islam is a faith of rural, pastoral peoples against an entrenched, richer city dwelling bourgeoisie. In the time of Mohammed it was Arab against Jew, even if they are both Semites.

Human history is replete with the poorer hungrier hill tribe uniting to displace the jaded tribe of the valley. Religion is usually just a tool for unification and justification for warfare.

Racist Azisk,

Yours is a racist, supremacist heritage, and I speak as a victim of the Middle East's ethnic cleansing of three million Jews. We were murdered, exiled, deported. Those who remained were treated like third class citizens.

Throughout the Middle East the remaining Christians (and they're leaving fast) are the victims of pogroms, periodic departures from their second-class citizen status.

In Asia, witness the status of Christians. They are the "sweepers." They clean the streets with wisk brooms (not kidding). They clean the streets with their hands. One and one-half million people--robbed, raped, killed with impunity. Caste. Though islam specifically prohibits caste.

You are one sick muslim man, spreading islamist lies everywhere you go. You're dangerous. You don't belong here or anywhere, unless and until you get debriefed.

Btw., Israel's Ismaeli Shiite Muslims say hello. Ditto, the Ahmadis of Pakistan.

Asizk,

Good for you for speaking your mind, and not trying to play the taqqiya game that a lot of other muslims play, and good for you for calling Eboo out on why is he being so "apologetic". At least the clarity should be instructing for many of the Kafirs.

I disagree with you because you are merely mouthing Islamic propaganda without knowing that it is twisted and false. Take the example of Jordan. It is in the same area as Palestine, and according to your logic it was inhabited by Palestinians. Now the British created TransJordan and handed it over to the rulers of Mecca, the Hashemite. The Hashemite rulers and people are not Palestinians but Saudis who were being pushed out by Saud from Arabia. Why is it that no muslim ever complains about a piece of palestine being handed over to the sons of Hussein bin Ali, Sharif of Mecca, a self proclaimed Khalifa? The son that was installed in Iraq of course was not as lucky as the one installed as King of Jordan.
It was Hussein bin Ali who had declared the Ottomans Kafirs and had wanted to overthrow them. It was Abdul Aziz al Saud who overthrew that Khalifa and installed a monarchy in Saudi Arabia. Do you think Jordan is a legitimate state? Do you think it should be dissembled as you think Israel should and a new Palestinian state created with the Palestinians as rulers?

asizk

You wrote, "The Quran treats both the original and the unaltered Torah and the Gospel on equal footing with Quran as divine revelations from God:"

Two questions:

1) In the story concerning Abraham, which son went with Abraham to be sacrificed, Isaac or Ismail, seems to me that the Torah and the OT say it was Isaac and the Quran say it was Ismail, is this true or not?

2) In the New Testament it says that Jesus was crucified and died and as far as I know in the Quran it says that Jesus was not crucified much less died on the cross, is this true or not?

These are not the only discrepancies between the Torah and the Quran and between the Bible and the Quran, not by a long shot, but these two discrepancies, if they were true would not only wipe out Judaism and Christianity but also Islam.

Concerning question 1, the Jews, the Chosen People, were chosen and formed by God, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, ring a bell?

Concerning question 2, not only does the bible speak of Jesus being crucified and dying on the cross but also rising from the dead, this is at the very heart of Christianity and that Jesus is God-Incarnate not merely a prophet as the Quran says.

The Torah is about God choosing and forming a people.

The Bible is about God choosing and forming a people, becoming One of those peope and by His Life, Death and Resurrection becoming the Saviour of not only His Chosen People but of All of His People.

The Quran is about world domination.

As far as the "equal footing" thing, are you saying that since the Quran says that both the Torah and the Bible are lies that it is a lie too?

God's Plan which God has had since before creation if for All of humanity to be in God's Kingdom and God's Plan will come to Fruition.

See you and the rest of humanity in the Kingdom.

Take care, be ready.

Sincerely, Thomas Paul Moses Baum.

Asizk, you and your ilk are nothing but religious fanatics, bigots and oppressors. Yours is an uninterrupted legacy of bigotry, forced conversions, pillaging, intolerance spread over 1378 years, to date. Why is it that every Muslim in the world are up in cudgels against Israel? How does it concern an indonesian, s/he has neither met an Israeli nor a Palestinian, in her/is life time? You will claim of course that you folks just cannot stand injustice, it is taught to you in your holy book of books. If so what happened to the same anguish for the folks on East Timor? They were occupied, oppressed, terrorized and deprived of their rights.

You talk about that you are all for secular democracy in Palestine. Is it going to be like Egypt or like Bangla Desh, or Indonesia, or Malaysia? What is going to be the model? Egypt! where Copts are cowering and dying by scores, or is it Bangla Desh where the Hindu minority has been brutally converted, tortured, killed, and forced to flee. You this is well documented by the courageous Dr. Taslima Nasreen, who herself had to flee. Your ilk had made it difficult for her to even stay in India, and an eternal shame to India for not aiding a courageous woman yet giving comfort to the fake dalai lama. Or is it going to be Malaysia where no one but muslims can be in the cabinet, or hold any key positions in civil service, or will it be Indonesia which willy nilly occupies the neighbors?

You complain that Israel is made of occupiers. You have a point there. However, what is it going to be for you guys does the Ummah want those wretched people to continue to suffer generation after generation, without end in sight? Or would you encourage them to make peace? You say but it is oppression that needs to be fought tooth and nail. Then when is Ummah going to Vacate Egypt for Copts, Iran for Zoroastrians, Afghanistan for Hindus, Bangla Desh for Hindus, Indonesia for Hindus, Malaysia for Buddhists and Hindus? You say but most of the people in those countries are Muslims now. Of course they are, due to forced conversions over a millennium. So I get it the right solution for you guys to shut up is for Israel to forcibly convert every muslim to Judaism. I get it. I will get on my special phone and talk to Bibi Netnayahu, right away.

Asizk

You sound like a racist fanatic to me.

You sound like a very dangerous person, suffering from a religous mania. Is that the impression that you seek to make of Muslims among non-Muslim people?

You are the sterotypical face of the angry and threatening Muslim, who seeks to frighten and intmidate Western people.

So if you succeed, and Western people are afraid of you, then what is your complaint?

FarnazMansouri2,

Me a racist fanatic??? just because I spoke the truth and because u don't like that truth?

Give me one word I wrote to prove that am a "racisr fanatic." Go ahead. This big noise u are making is only to distract from the racist apartheid jewish regime and the longest jewish military occupation in modern history by alein illegal settlers of the indigenous Palestinan People.

jews invaded and occupied Arab Palestine and violently ethnically cleansed over 70% of the indigenous Palestinian People and are now demanding that 'isrl' be recognized as a 'jewish state!!!!!!'-on Arab Land where the number of Arabs now living (hardly)in historic Palesine is equal to or a little more than the number of their jewish occupiers-despite all the ethnic cleansing and killing of Palestinans in the past 63 years. jews want a 'pure jewish state' on the model of the pure nazi pure race. So who is a fanatic racist??

Unlike those racist occupying jews Palestinains are calling for a one state solution which exists de facto: a secular democratic multi-cultural state for the indigeous PAlestinian People as well as for their jewish occupiers-who are illegal armed immigrants and settlers from over fifty nations. A secular democratic one state as is the American republic-provided that the Palestinian refugees are allowed to return to their homes in Palestine as per UN181 and UN194.

Do I sound like a racist fanatic to u now? Fanatic racists are on your side who are sitting on stolen Palestinan property and suffocating and toremnting 5.5 million occupied PAlestinans because they are not part of 'the chosen people.'

The false ever repeated claim of 'anti-semitism':there is undoubtedly a jewish faith but there is no such thing as a jewish people or jewish race: just read the recent book by Shlomo Sand "The invention of the jewish people-also on BBC Hard Talk" who presented a formidable case to refute the myth of 'the jewish people':just go to occupied Arab Palestine and see for yourselves the faces of the so called:'jewish people':white,brown,yellow,black...etc.

'anti-Semitism' presupposes the existence of a semitic race-which does not exist at all-save for some Arabs who never left the Peninsula or intermarried with other Muslim people-and yet an Arab is defined by culture and language and not race.

anti-Semitism's a manufactured myth turned weapon with which to intimidate and often beat and terrorize any one who dares to criticize jews or their atrocities in Palestine and tormenting the Palestinian People.

isrli' leaders and generals have just cancelled all their travel to UK lest they be arrested for their war crimes committed in Gaza in 2008

So far this year and more recently alien jews occupying Arab historic Palestine torched then razed to the ground 18 rpt eighteen Mosques in the west bank,one Church in Jerusalem and in the middle of the night one ancient Muslim cemetry in occupied west Jerusalem was descrated and buldozed and skulls and bones were all over the place-as if were not enough that jews are murdering the living-they also had to murder the dead once more.

These shameful acts are charcterstic of the racist,apartheid,militraistic jewish ethno-theocrasy occupying all of Arab historic Palestine;yah...those are 'the chosen people':an amlagam of every race,culture,geography claiming to be 'isrlis.'

Dear Hesham A.Hassaballa,
Physician Doctor.

(Article is not written by Dear Eboo Patel,but,some posters critisized Eboo Patel)

Dear Doctor,
You say *every year Muslims(sperm comes from male's ribs followers) are encouraged to fast(namely you will eat during night and you will sleep in day) two days in commemoration of the Exodus of the Israelites,the holiday known as 'ashura'*
What is this ? Mr.Doctor...what is this ?

Ashura and Exodus ??? What kind of a Palaver this is....

-Where are Jewish People in Yarhrib ?
-Where are Poor Jewish People in Yemen ?
-Where are Jewish People and Ba'haiis in Islam Rep.Iran ?
-Where are Saabiis in Arabia ?
-Where are Hindus in Terroristan(West India,historical territory of India) and Bangladesh(another ındian historical lands)
-Where are Hindus and Buddists in Indonesia ?
-Berberis in Northen Africa ?
-What is going on in 5000-year old Indian historical territory Kashmir ?
-There are One Million Indian Workers in Saudi Arabia,where are Hindu Temples in Dahran and Jidde ?
-Where is The Civilization in Egypt ?
-Where are the Suspended Gardens in Mesopotamia ?

FarnazMansouri2:

Unfortunately, Asizk is not a minority nor at the fringe. He is what the American Kafirs call "moderate", educated, and reasonable. He merely let his guard down for a few minutes because he got angry, and wrote what he really thinks. I move among muslims and I have seen elders sit down to pray and they collectively will raise their hands and pray for the destruction of USA and that is while they are enjoying the citizenship of this nation.

What asizk writes is exactly what a majority of muslims even in the USA think and feel. That is the Islamic line all over the world.

Did the doctor mention Banu Qurayza?

Akafir,

This is quite psychotic. Not the worst I've seen on WaPo, but close. Now, it only remains for us to see what Eboo (himself, having posted some nasty stuff) and the good doctor have to say about Azisk's post.

Yup. Eboo and Doctor, the ball is in your court. (It's a big ball.)

Azisk makes my case, and that of any number of others. Because he is a simple, brainwashed racist fanatic, one among several who post on WaPo, he lacks all sense of himself as ironic. Although the degree of his insanity may not always be evident, the fact of his illness is ever apparent.

http://www.amazon.com/Al-Yahud-Eternal-Islamic-Enmity-Jews/dp/0971534632

Al-Yahud: Eternal Islamic Enmity and the Jews [Paperback]
Elias Al-Maqdisi (Author), Sam Solomon (Author)

This most important book examines in depth and with a mastery of the basic documents, the crucial issues of our time. What are the sources of the enmity that drive and justify Jihad in all its forms? Will Judaism and Christianity survive when currently global Islam, supported by the universal Caliphate's Jihad against Israel enforces its 7th century claim to be the origin of these two faiths? This is the real meaning of the Jihad against Israel. With knowledge, skill and irrefutable scholarship, Al-Maqdisi & Solomon identify and explain the root cause of the Islamic denial of the Jewish and Christian Biblical history, identity and patrimony in the Holy Land. This masterpiece provides a mine of information on the Islamic challenge to Western survival, and should be read by everyone. Professor Bat Ye'or, Author Landmark works include "The Dhimmi: Jews and Christians under Islam," "Islam and Dhimmitude: Where Civilizations Collide," "Eurabia: The Euro-Arab Axis" Elias Al-Maqdisi & Sam Solomon's Al-Yahud: Eternal Islamic Enmity & the Jews represents another groundbreaking work from this prolific writing duo. Following Al-Maqdisi/Solomon's Al-Hijra: The Islamic Doctrine of Immigration, Al-Yahud uncovers and explains some of the deepest held Islamic doctrinal beliefs supporting the continuous Jihad against the one enemy of Islam that is never forgotten or forgiven-the Jew. In Al-Yahud, the authors literally uncover the root of the problem between the Jews and the Muslims, a problem that manifests itself in the current Middle East conflict, which is currently being framed as a classical land-for-peace issue. Not so, say Al-Maqdisi/Solomon-the problem is forever and will continue to haunt us as long as Muslims continue to believe in Muhammed's mission to retroactively supersede and claim the origins of Judeo-Christian Monotheism, then to "correct," and finally to complete the Jewish and Christian revelations.

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Please read what our "moderate" muslim asizk writes about how Islam respects the prophets of Judaism in light of the above book. Islam will not and cannot accept the jews other than as humiliated dhimmis.

By the way, Dr., did I mention Rachel's Tomb?
No problem. Word is spreading throughout the country, quiet as it's kept in WaPo.

The author writes:

Although we know now that the bombs were meant for the cargo planes, the fact that these bombs were addressed to Chicago area synagogues may tend to reinforce the notion in the minds of many people - and that includes some Muslims as well - that there is, somehow, an innate enmity between Judaism and Islam.
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There is no such notion, and, therefore, it will not be reinforced. There is the fact that Muslims are anti-Jewish racists.

Throughout the MIddle East and Asia, their governments routinely publish the most despicable antisemitic filth imaginable. OF course, the stuff is insane, semi-literate, and hilarious, but when people read only this garbage, they believe it. And, now, throughout the US, including various universities, eg., NYU, UC IRvine, Columbia, Muslim students and faculty have spread racism, some of it so vile that it has garnered national attention.

Then there are we three million ethnically cleansed Jews from the MIddle East and Asia, where some of us trace our roots to the MIddle Ages. Muslims murdered us, took our property, deported us.

In light of this newest Muslim attempt to mass murder Jews, the "authorities" are doing what they can to redirect our attention, to focus it elsewhere, and when that doesn't work, to answer concrete questions with incoherence.

It fears that since cargo sails not only to Chicago but FROM Chicago to EVERYWHERE, some enterprising souls may decide to return the message that never arrived.

I can understand that.

Asizk, ZM01, are you for real do you even find what you spout, believable? All you have to see is the apostasy laws in each of the OICs. Then all you have to ask is why is it that you both came over here and brag about how successful you are, rather than stay in your homelands and bring the fruits of your intellect to the fellow muslims? When answer that question truthfully you will realize how pathetic you are making all your posts. ZM01, if you were back in one of those backward OICs you would more likely be one of the four sisters as mormon wives call themselves here. You would gussying yourself for that unkempt bedouin husband of yours over there. Isn't that what Koran asks each muslimah to do, put on athar and shave the nether regions?

http://www.mukto-mona.com/Articles/Younus_Sheikh/IslamWoman.htm
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After Iraq, Syria fell to the Islamic Empire in 634 CE. Despite surrenders, great massacres took place at many places; thousands of men were slaughtered and women and children sold into slavery; monasteries were ransacked, monks and villagers were slain and nuns were raped. After the conquest of Egypt, many of its towns were put to sword and their entire population wiped out. Great massacres also occurred in Cyprus and North Africa.

The Roman province of Iraq, the Syrian province of Iran, and the conquered Iran brought hundreds of thousands of men-slaves, women sex-slaves, and the vast fertile lands of these once mighty and civilized countries where the women had been held in high respect e.g. the Manichaecian Iraq, the Pharonic Egypt and North African Civilizations.

As in Egypt and Iran, wherever the conquering Islamic Bedouins armies went, they destroyed the local civilizations cultures, imposed their Islamic tribal medievalism recklessly murdering men and degrading women to perpetual sexual slavery.
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Multiplying number of harems (residing place for the female sex-slaves), finally institutionalized under Caliph Al-Walid II, emphasized the inevitable degradation of womanhood under Islam. Haroon ur Rashid, the Islamic Caliph (ruler) had 2000 female sex-slaves, Caliph Mutwakkal had 4000 female sex-slaves; and every mullah, official or soldier of Islamic state had some men-slaves and women sex-slaves belonging to the conquered civilization nations.
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http://www.mukto-mona.com/Articles/Younus_Sheikh/IslamWoman2.htm
"Indian sub-continent suffered the humiliation and destruction under Islam, as did Africa. The Islamic General Mohammad Bin Qasim decimated great Buddhist and Hindu civilizations. ...
Fifty thousand Hindus were massacred in just one of his attacks at Somnath; he invaded India more than 17 times. Thousands of Hindu men and women were sent to the Islamic Afghani slave markets. The highly cultured and civilized daughters of the noble Hindu families were sold to the illiterate, un-cultured and barbaric Afghanis for equivalent of just one Frank (Pound/Dollar) each. After every Afghani Muslim had four wives each, there were lots of surplus women left; to that the evil Islamic mullahs responded with an ingenious translation of Koranic verses proving that Allah allowed each Muslim to marry 18 women at a time along with an unlimited number of women as concubines. Soon the new military instruments of the Islamic Caliph, the Turks and the Moguls followed, decimated captured Delhi and turned whole of India into a grand open-air slave camp. Sultan Firoze Shah Tughlaq- an Islamic Turk ruler had 100,000 men-slaves and thousands of female sex-slaves in his harem; the pious Islamic Mongol (Mogul) Emperor Shahjehan had 15,000 female sex-slaves and concubines for his personal harem. Indeed, the Islamic Turk invaders and rulers did the same in India as ...

Asizk:
""No faith or culture ever fought as Muslims did to establish Freedom of Conscious for all mankind. Millions and millions of non-Muslims have enjoyed that freedom of conscious for centuries and continue to do."

"I challege u to provide one crdible source to show that Islam ever forced one soul to embrace Islam from Spain to China. Islam sperad so fast because of its noble, humane, tolearnt and above all its justice and equality for all."

The truly sad aspect is that you really believe that nonsense. I know muslims teach their young that. But ignorance does have a cure. I doubt it will help you, but for others who may not know how disgusting your lies are:

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http://www.andrewbostom.org/blog/2010/08/24/jihad-dhimmitude-and-muslim-spain/

For well over a millennium, across three continents – Asia, Africa,and Europe – non-Muslims have experienced jihad war ideology, and its ugly corollary institution, dhimmitude. Today, the debate among Muslim scholars regarding the theological “correctness” of “lesser” versus “greater” jihad are meaningless to the millions of non-Muslim victims- Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians, Hindus, and Buddhists – of countless jihad wars. What is important is that after all this time, Muslims finally acknowledge the suffering of these millions of non-Muslim victims of jihad wars, as well as the oppressive governance imposed on non-Muslims by the laws of dhimmitude.

Thus far this brutal history has been completely denied, and even celebrated as “enlightened” conquest and rule. In this essay we will introduce, briefly, the rationale and historiography of these twin Islamic institutions, and provide evidence of their contemporary revival.
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In “The Laws of Islamic Governance.” al- Mawardi (d. 1058), a renowned Baghdadian jurist, examined the regulations pertaining to the lands and infidel (i.e., non-Muslim) populations subjugated by jihad. This is the origin of the system of dhimmitude. The native infidel population had to recognize Islamic ownership on their land, submit to Islamic (i.e., shari’a) law, and accept payment of the poll tax (jizya). In return they were granted the effective protection of Islamic law, which gave them security, limited religious rights, and self-administration in religious and civil law. Some of the more salient features of dhimmitude include: the prohibition of arms for the vanquished non-Muslims (dhimmis), and of church bells; the restrictions concerning the building and restoration of churches and synagogues; the inequality between Muslims and non-Muslims with regard to taxes and penal law; the refusal of dhimmi testimony by Muslim courts; the obligation for Jews and Christians to wear special clothes; and their overall humiliation and abasement. Furthermore, dhimmis, including those living under “enlightened” Turkish domination, suffered, at periods, from slavery (i.e., harem slavery for women, and the devshirme child levy for Balkan Christian males),.....

Zm01: "The source of those Quranic passages is "scholars" living on the other side of the world who tell themselves they are really proficient in English and have been chosed by Saudi clergy to translate the Quran into English."

There are many translations. The title of the one you are suggesting says it all: "A REFORMIST Translation". ZM01, you don't have to sell the reform of Islam to us Kafirs, get the muslims on the "other of the world" who want to kill us to buy into that reform. It is translated by Edip Yuksel, Layth Saleh al-Shaiban and Martha Schulte-Nafeh. I have talked over the web with Edip many a times, and I can assure you that this translation has as much chance of being accepted as a snow flake in a blazing furnace. Palgrave/McMillan abandoned the publication of it under a fatwa and Edip is publishing it himself. Please sell the reform to the Muslims. Kafirs can judge how well the reforms are taking hold by seeing the condition of the non-muslims in the OIC countries. At the moment all OIC countries have laws that are filled with hate against the non-muslims. That is proof of how well Islam treats the non-muslims.

ZM01 & KAfir
ZM01: I strongly recommend Muhammad Asad's transaltion of the Quran:he was the former Leopold Weiss,a European Jew who converted to Islam in 1926 (b1900-d1992 in Spain). He wrote the charming classic "The Road to Mecca" and spent 17 years transalting the Quran. He was both a scholar of the Bible and the Quran and understands how to best address a western mind.

kafir (what a befitting name!!)/ continued.

"Also rebellious behaviour of Jews in Exodus 17:9, 18:3, 19:9 and Deuteronomy 9:6-8, 23-24 and 27 (See Muhammad Asad, note 68, p26). Can we then brand the Old Testament itself as being anti-Jewish?

The Quran was very critical of and took the heathen Arabs of Mecca, the unruly desert Bedouins and the hypocrites of Medina to task for their idol worshipping, for their false claims that these female idols were God's daughters and for their hypocrisy and hostility to the Prophet-who were his own people. Can we then brand the Quran as being anti-Arab? In the same context the Quran also took the Jewish tribes in Medina to task for their remarkable hostility and intrigue against the infant Muslim community when they allied themselves with the heathen Arabs and the unruly Bedouins-not because they were Jewish but because of their behaviour. The Quran is race and colour-blind: Human beings are judged on their merits.

The same applies to the intractable conflict in occupied Arab historic Palestine which is portrayed by Jews and their sympathisers as if it were a religious conflict so that they gain the support of Jews as well as the rightist Christian fundamentalists in the west, to bestow and claim a non-existent political legitimacy on its occupation: from an Arab/Muslim perspective the conflict is strictly over and about the Zionist colonial Jewish occupation of Arab/Muslim land, historic Palestine, and has nothing to do with the Jewish religion or race. By Insisting on anachronistic religious claims over Palestine, Jews are calling for and insisting on a religious war as the Crusaders had done earlier in 11th century AD while Muslims insist that it is a conflict over Jewish occupation of their land. The proof is the fact that Jews and Muslims co-existed peacefully for centuries before the Palestine conflict: the golden age of the Jews was in Muslim Spain and when they were expelled along with the Spanish Muslims in 1492 AD during the Inquisition, it was Muslim lands in North Africa and the Ottoman Empire that embraced and provided them with a safe refuge after their expulsion. Even well-known Zionist sympathisers and avid supporters such as Bernard Lewis admits to the fact that throughout history Jews were accepted and tolerated in Muslim lands better than they were in the west. Muslim history never had the equivalents of the Inquisition and the holocaust.

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kafir,
Why don't u get hold of yourself and calm down. Read this carefully from my forth coming book:
Al Baqarah, 2:2:"This is the Book (the Qur'ân), whereof there is no doubt (unequivocally), a guidance to the God-conscious, pious and righteous persons who fear Allah much (abstain from all kinds of sins and evil deeds which He has forbidden) and love Allah much (perform all kinds of good deeds which He has ordained)]. (Dr. Mohsin's translation/ Quran Explorer).

The Quran treats both the original and the unaltered Torah and the Gospel on equal footing with Quran as divine revelations from God:

Al Maeda, 5:44:"It was We who revealed the Torah (to Moses); therein was guidance and light."

Al Maedah, 5:45: "And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the law (Torah) that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein were guidance and light, and confirmation of the law that had come before him: guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah."

The Quran recognizes Jews and Christians as "The people of the book" that is the followers of divine scripture and prophets sent by God and not as unbelievers and infidels as often deliberately repeated by distracters or out of utter ignorance. It is a fundamental article of faith for Muslims to believe in these scriptures (The revelations to Abraham, the Torah and the Gospel among others) and all the prophets including Abraham, Moses and Jesus-among others- as they do in the Quran and Prophet Muhammad-as in (2:136). After all God is one and the essence of his enduring message is one and the same in all times and places.

Therefore the Quran can not possibly be anti-Jewish or anti-Christian: how could it be when it holds all Jewish prophets including Jesus, his righteous and saintly mother Mary in the highest of esteem; describing the anomalous behaviour of some Jews does not mean that the Quran is anti-Jewish:

Al Araf, 7:138-140: "And We brought the Children of Israel across the sea, and they came unto a people who were given up to idols which they had. They said: O Moses! Make for us a god even as they have gods. He said: Lo! Ye are a folk who know not. (138) Lo! As for these, their way will be destroyed and all that they are doing is in vain. (139) He said: Shall I seek for you a god other than Allah when He hath favored you above (all) creatures? (140), meaning God had chosen you in that very instance, context and at that historical juncture specifically when all other nations were essentially heathen and did not know or did not even worship the one and only God.

In Exodus 32:1-10, 33:1-4 and 34:9, the Old Testament itself is not exactly laudatory about or joyous over their rebellious behaviour of the ancient Jews when they turned their back on the one God and his prophet Moses and started worshipping an idol-a golden calf they erected with their own hands (Holy Bible, New living translation, copy right 1996, Tyndale House Publishers, Inc, Wheato

here is kafir again,

Arab Historic Palestine:Canaanite Arabs settled Palestine in 5000 BC hence the term The Land of Canaan-before jews ever existed on the face of the earth. All peoples in the near east originated in Arabia and settled the land between the Nile and Euphrates from times immemorial in one wave after another:Akkadians, Assyrians,Babylonians,Arameans...and finally Arab Muslims in the early 7th century who liberated it including Palestine from lengthy Roman-Byzantine occupation. Where were the 'jews' to liberate it then? Where were they when the Mulsim Arabs liberated Jersalem from the crusaders in at the hands of Saladin (a muslim kurd) in 1191 AD?

U think Muslims liberated JErsalem and PAlestine to allow jews to occupy it? NO.

jews had always been marginal to Palestine;they took refuge in Canaanite Arab Palestine after they fled Egypt.
Presnt day 'isrl' is a passing bump on the road:all occupiers of Arab Muslim PAlestine were ultimately thrown out. 'isrl' as described by the French jew MAxime Rodinson is no more than a colonial settler state as the Frecnh were in Alegeria and the apartheid whites in south africa.

Occupied KAshmir is populated by indigenous KAshmiri Indians who happen to be Muslim and India is occupying a Muslim majroity agianst their well-and like alien clolnial jewish occupiers in Palestine,heathen indians have been denying self-determination for the KAshmiris since 1947.

As to your quote:"YUSUFALI: Ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors."

This verse is anotehr "chosen people" verse:Islam is a universal faith and one community in faith but rpt but this is conditional on this muslim commuity enjoins the good and forbids the evil-otherwise that community is not "the best people evolved for mankind."

Unlike the jews whose faith is based on an imagined "pure jewish race," Arabs are not:being Arab only in the sense of culture,langauge..etc. You go ahead ask the Egyptians if they are Arab:Egypt was the hotbed of Arab nationalim which is still bubbling under the oppresive and corrupt mubarak regime.

Berbers are not Arabs but are proud Muslims and speak the langauge of the Quran-Arabic.

I challege u to provide one crdible source to show that Islam ever forced one soul to embrace Islam from Spain to China. Islam sperad so fast because of its noble, humane, tolearnt and above all its justice and equality for all.

No faith or culture ever fought as Muslims did to establish Freedom of Conscious for all mankind. Millions and millions of non-Muslims have enjoyed that freedom of conscious for centuries and continue to do.

Unlike judaism which is parochial and clanish based on the anomalous and outdated mtyh of "the chosen people," Islam is a color and race blind.

The source of those Quranic passages is "scholars" living on the other side of the world who tell themselves they are really proficient in English and have been chosed by Saudi clergy to translate the Quran into English. Their translations are full of rubbish. If you're sincerely interested in understanding Quranic verses, then read "The Quran: A Reformist Translation." Unlike other English versions of the Quran which were translated by people I feel entirely comfortable classifying as morons, this particular version was translated by American scholars and is therefore free of the cultural biases that exist in other English translations. Nobody has to agree with the American translation of the Quran, much less even like it, but that particular translation directly addresses all of the issues that have been raised here. I recognize that the "comments" section of any article that addresses Islam or muslims has a way of becoming little more than a forum for people to express negative opinions, (usually outright rage), but for anyone who may be coming from a place of sincere curiosity, it's The Reformist Translation is a worthwhile read.

Askiz: "Muslims believe in all divine scripture such as revaeld to Abraham,Moses,Jesus and Muhammad-thou uncorrupted and authentic scripture as originally revealed to thsoe prophets."

Isa of the Quran is not the Jesus of the Bible. Islam does not accept Christianity or Judaism. As you point out "though uncorrupted and authentic scriptures as originally revealed to those prophets"!! It asserts that christians and jews have corrupted their scriptures and disobeyed their Gods. So why don't you tell where are the original scriptures?

Denying other people the right to their own religions, to their own myths, to their own Gods, is as terrible a hatred for them as possible. It is an attempt at racial genocide. They have to submit to the Islamic version of their own religion, and you call that tolerance? You are unable to recognize unadulterated hate that demand represents.

Then your hate spills into:
"IF they were they would be in full agreement with the Quran-for God's message is the same."

Can you state one clear message other than "Islam good, all other religions evil, and Islam will dominate all other religions" that is in the Quran? It is a hateful book. The biggest error of the secular world was to accept Islam as a religion. It is not. It is an arab imperialistic ideology. It is not a religion. What a weird concept of a creator of the entire universe who care how humans wash their hands and feet before they lift their asses in the air to say their prayers five times a day? And that was originally fifty times a day till their prophet got it reduced to five times a day. How stupid one can get?

Ebo,
One fundamental issue I o verlooked:true Islam and Muslims believe in all prophets of God including Noah, Abraham,Moses,Jesus the son of MAry and Muhammad-in fact it is an article of faith for Muslims. Muslims believe in all divine scripture such as revaeld to Abraham,Moses,Jesus and Muhammad-thou uncorrupted and authentic scripture as originally revealed to thsoe prophets.

But Judaism denies Jesus,his gospels and his faith as it denies Islam, the Quran and the Prophet Muhammad; Christianity denies Islam and the Prophet-thou the original uncorrupted and unaltered Bible had clear indications and prophesies referring to the coming of the Prophet.

Islam however being an all inclusive and final faith to humanity accepts and revers both Judaism and Christianity as per Quranic injuctions:because God's message is one and the same:worship the one and only God,be righteous and believe in the herefater.

Muslims believe in peceeding faiths not to appease their follwers but because the Quran commands it; the Quran is the only divine scripture that can truly claim absolute integrity as it has come down to us as it was revealed to the Propeht word for word, verse for verse and chapter for chapter in 610-623 AD and Muslims recite it today as the Prophet and his companions recited it in early 7th century.

Are the Torah and Gospels we have today the very same ones revaeld to Moses and Jesus-word for word and verse for verse? It is very doubtful indeed. IF they were they would be in full agreement with the Quran-for God's message is the same.

When will Judaism and Chirstinity recpirocate by recognizing Islam as a divine faith as it does to them? Not that Muslims need such recognition but to show that Islam has the moral high ground by respecting and revering other faiths.

U sounded apologtic:the overwhelming majority of the 1.6 billion Muslims are not a party to the terrorism of the few maniacs who claim to be Muslim;it follows therfeore that this majority need not apologize for terrorism because Islam is clear on terrorism:it is murder.

However u should have the courage-as all Muslims should-to demand from the followers of Judaism to apologize loudely about their attrocities in Arab historic PAlestine for the past 63 years;u should demand that Christianity should apolgize for the invasion, occupation and destruction of Iraq and the murder of some one million iraqis-all on false pretext-well except that George W Bush's god ordred him to do it!!!

Asikz:
"Palestine is the one and only cause of hostility against Jews-not their religion: it is a conflict over occupied Arab historic Palestine and has nothing to do whatsoever with Judaism."

What do you mean by "Arab historic"?

Do you mind vacating the Assryian homeland first? Or how about the Zorastrian homeland? Or how about the Byzantinium lands? I do wonder when the egyptians became "Arabs", or the berbers got rolled into arabs? When are the arabs planning on returning the sacred temple of the pagans that Mohammad stole back to them?

The bloody borders of Islam include Thailand, Philippine, India, Russia, Armenia, Germany, France, UK, Netherlands, Spain, China, Mongolia, Nepal, among other countries. The hatred for the non-muslims, and specially the hatred for the Jews is in the very fabric of Islam. As many muslims are fond of telling the world that Allah guarantees that Islam will dominate the World and over all other religions. Muslims will rule the earth and as Allah says:
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YUSUFALI: Ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors.

Jews can all leave, but they will not get peace from Islam. That is a mere lie. Hindus can give up Kashmir as they gave up more all of west Pakistan and Bangladesh, but they will not get peace from Islam. Russia can yield all of their central asian states but they will be fools to think that Islam will ever be peaceful towards them. Thailand, Philippines, Spain, and all other places, the Kafirs can meet the present demands of the Muslims and they will be met with more for Islam cannot offer them peace. It only offers convert to Islam, or submit to Islam and pay Jiziya, or die.

China is the only one at the moment that has figure out how to deal with Islam. Perhaps the Kafirs elsewhere need to emulate the Chinese in that as well.

Ebo,
Granted we are all against terrorism but we also should speak up loudly about state terrorism, racism, the longest military occupation, apartheid:'isrl' being the case in point.

Granted we all should respect all faiths including Judaism; but the very followers of Judaism have invaded and occupied an entire homeland and its people: Arab historic Palestine and the Palestinian People: 'isrl' the 'only democracy in the ME 'and the only remaining Apartheid regime on planet earth expelled by violence and terrorism, over 70% of the indigenous Palestinian People in 1947/8 and has since imposed a brutal apartheid military regime on the rest while it starves 1.5 million Palestinian refugees in Gaza.(See the jewish authro Illan Pappe's book:"The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine."

Ebo,

So why are u trying to appease jews while u sound apologetic too:jews were always treated fairly and decently by Muslims as no where else: the golden days of the jews were in Muslim Spain-and only Muslims in Ottoman Turkey and North Africa embraced them as they fled the atrocities of the Catholic Inquistion;jews are now paying back the generosity of Muslims: observe what they have been doing to the Palestinian People for the past 63 years.

jews should not only apologize for the continued historical tragedy and injustice which they inflicted upon the Palestinian People as well as pay a compensation to them but more importantly they should pack up an leave Palestine and go back to where they come from so the now six million Palestinian refugees can return to their ancestral homeland, Palestine, all of it so that the Palestine which jews destroyed in 1947/8 can come to life again.

The Jewish invasion and occupation of Arab historic Palestine is the one and only cause of hostility against Jews-not their religion: it is a conflict over occupied Arab historic Palestine and has nothing to do whatsoever with Judaism.

Dear Eboo Patell

You said:

" 'We [God] then sent upon them the flood, and locusts, and lice, and frogs, and blood as manifest signs; [as a result] they became arrogant and were a people steeped in crime' (7:133) My favorite part of the story, the splitting of the Red Sea, is mentioned at least twice in the Quran as well.

One cannot be a Muslim if he or she does not believe in, honor, and revere Moses. He is one of the five mightiest Messengers of God -- along with Noah, Abraham, Jesus and Muhammad. The Qur'an says that God bestowed His grace upon Moses and Aaron (37:114), that he was "specially chosen" by God (19:51) and that God bestowed on Moses "wisdom and knowledge" (28:14) as a reward for doing good. In addition, the Book of Moses in the Jewish Bible is described by the Qur'an as a "Light and Guide" (6:91).

I have to say that I am a little shocked that you believe these things.

So much for modern, educated man.

Below is a mere sample of the many gems dealing with the Jews in the Quran.

And thou wilt find them [the Jews] the greediest of mankind....[Surah 11, v. 96]
Evil is that for which they sell their souls... For disbelievers is a terrible doom.[Surah II, v. 90]
Taste ye [Jews] the punishment of burning.[Surah III, v. 18 1]
"They [the Jews] are the heirs of Hell.... They will spare no pains to corrupt you. They desire nothing but your ruin. Their hatred is clear from what they say ... When evil befalls you they rejoice." Ibid. [Surah 111, v. 117-120]
Allah hath cursed them [the Jews] for their disbelief.[Surah IV, v. 46]
They [the Jews] will spare no pains to corrupt you. They desire nothing but your ruin. Their hatred is clear from what they say, but more violent is the hatred which their breasts conceal.[Surah III, v. 117-120]
O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and Christians for friends. [Surah V, v. 51]
Fight against such of those [Jews and Christians] ... until they pay for the tribute readily, being brought low.[Surah IX, v. 29]
Allah fighteth against them [the Jews]. How perverse they are![Surah IX, v. 30]
They [the Jews] spread evil in the land .... [Surah V, v. 62-66]
[The Jews] knowingly perverted [the word of Allah], know of nothing except lies ... commit evil and become engrossed in sin. [Surah II, v. 71-85]

Hesham,

You come across as a very nice person.

You write: "In no way, shape, or form does my faith call for the murder of innocent people, ".

The rub is what is meant by innocent? Innocent according to which law? Sharia?

Allah commands:
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YUSUFALI: The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;

What is meant by wage war against Allah and his Messanger? Iranians hang people for that crime. They consider anyone opposing the Islamic regime waging war against Allah. They have hung apostates under that law.

Ibn Kathir in his commentary on the Quran explains it as "`Wage war' mentioned here means, oppose and contradict, and it includes disbelief, ". Oppose and contradict? Includes disbelief? Under Sharia as it is in Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan for instance, criticising Muhammad or the Quran is not "innocent" but punishable by death. Historically, the muslim rulers have weilded that "waging war against Allah and Muhammad" quite ruthlessly just as the Iranian Government is doing at present. So "innocent" under which law? Those that are blowing themselves up do not consider those they kill as innocents. They quote the Quran and the hadith to justify their killings. They do not consider us Kafirs innocent at all. By the mere fact that we refuse to accept Islam and its prophet Muhammad, we are guilty of "waging war against Allah and Muhammad". My writing this and the Post putting it on line is proof of my waging war against Allah and Muhammad.

Now as far as Quran and the jews are concerned. One third of the Quran deals with the jews. You have been good enough to leave out all the parts where the jews are being cursed. Salat is five times a day and in that salat you say the Sura Al-Fatiha. Ayet 7 of that sura says:

001.006 PICKTHAL: Show us the straight path,
001.007 PICKTHAL: The path of those whom Thou hast favoured; Not the (path) of those who earn Thine anger nor of those who go astray.

I am sure you know that nearly all exegesis of the Quran tell us that "who earn thine anger" are the jews because Allah is angry at the jews and "who go astray" are the christians. Allah is not as mad at the christians as he is at the jews.

The really awful thing is that Islam expropriates the religions of the christians and the jews and asserts that they have altered and changed their own scriptures!!! People are not even allowed to believe what they wish.