abrahamhab1

You wrote, "Thomas:
The whole brunt of my comment above is that the Allah Of Islam is confused."

I don't believe that the god of islam is "confused", I believe he is a liar and that he is satan.

There is a difference between being "confused" and being a liar and the being that revealed things to Muhammed is a liar.

The lies that the god of islam speaks about concerning Jesus are not the only lies that the god of islam speaks of in the koran.

See you and the rest of humanity in the Kingdom.

Take care, be ready.

Sincerely, Thomas Paul Moses Baum.

Thomas:
The whole brunt of my comment above is that the Allah Of Islam is confused. In the same sentence He declares that Jesus the Messiah, the son of Marium is only an "apostle of Allah and His Word which He communicated to Marium and a spirit from Him; believe therefore in Allah and His apostles, and say not, three."
If Jesus is Allah's Word and His Spirit as admitted above Jesus could not be a mere prophet like Jonah and Noah. Christians label this relationship" from His spirit and His Word" as spiritual father -son relation.

abrahamhab1

You wrote, "“You (Eboo) wrote: Jesus the Christ is THE WORD OF GOD; but, Muslims don't believe that at all.”"

Then you wrote, "In theory they do, because their Quran states about Issa (Jesus) ;{ His (Allah’s) Word, which He bestowed on Mary and a Spirit proceeding from Him (Quran 4:171)}. Yet they never seem to understand this statement since they cannot reconcile it with other verses which describe Jesus as no more than a "prophet of Allah"."

Quran 4:171

O followers of the Book! do not exceed the limits in your religion, and do not speak (lies) against Allah, but (speak) the truth; the Messiah, Isa son of Marium is only an apostle of Allah and His Word which He communicated to Marium and a spirit from Him; believe therefore in Allah and His apostles, and say not, Three. Desist, it is better for you; Allah is only one God; far be It from His glory that He should have a son, whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is His, and Allah is sufficient for a Protector.

It sure seems to me that it is in this verse that the Divinity of Jesus and the Trinity of God is flat-out denied.

The bible says that "the Word was God and the Word became Flesh" which means God became One of us, as in the Incarnation of Jesus and Muslims do not believe this and it is spelled out in the verse you mentioned, Koran 4:171, that the god of islam calls the Incarnation, that is, God becoming One of us, a lie.

Either both are lies or one or the other is True, not both, any comments?

Take care, be ready.

Sincerely, Thomas Paul Moses Baum.

cecilg

You wrote, "That said I now confess that I found your post in response to Eboo unusually dogmatic."

Eboo Patel quoted from the bible, the Gospel of John specifically, and I pointed out that there was more to it than just what he referenced.

Where I mentioned, that in the Gospel of John, it also said, "the Word became Flesh...", I wanted to point out that this is something that the god of islam vehemently denies and that sometimes quoting only "part" of something can be misleading.

Is this the "dogmatic" part or does it also includes what I mentioned after this?

You then wrote, "I think your comments about God, about God's plan, and about the Seventh Day may constitute an outline for a new gospel -- that is, The Gospel According to Baum."

I have added nothing, I have just tied together some of the things in the bible, the whole bible, and invited people to think.

It is written concerning Jesus's birth that Angels gave two greetings, "This is Good News for All people" and "Peace to whom God's Favor rests".

Two seperate statements and the one, "This is Good News for All people", also ties in, for the simple reason that it would not be Good News at all if it were not for All.

You then asked, "And the question still stands: How do you know any of this?"

Jesus did say, "I will send you the Holy Spirit to guide you...", Jesus was serious about this statement when He said it.

You then wrote, "Oh, now I think I remember your saying you know because you hav had an encounter with God. (Maybe I am wrong about that.)"

No, you are not wrong about that, I have met God the Father and God the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit revealed to me that the Catholic Eucharist is Jesus.

I have also met satan and I have had other experiences.

You then wrote, "Keep writing. You almost always make me think."

Thank you for the kind words and I intend to keep on trying to do the "job" that God chose for me to do and by the way, I do not think of it as "my job" but as "Our job", God's and mine's.

As it is written, "Remember, I (God) have chosen you, you haven't chosen Me", sure came as a surprise to me to be chosen.

Take care, be ready.

Sincerely, Thomas Paul Moses Baum.

Cecil says:

“You (Eboo) wrote: Jesus the Christ is THE WORD OF GOD; but, Muslims don't believe that at all.”

In theory they do, because their Quran states about Issa (Jesus) ;{ His (Allah’s) Word, which He bestowed on Mary and a Spirit proceeding from Him (Quran 4:171)}. Yet they never seem to understand this statement since they cannot reconcile it with other verses which describe Jesus as no more than a "prophet of Allah".

Any one with the surname of "Dotty" is NOT related to me.

There are many "god concepts" on this planet. But unfortunately, within our cultural system, we seem to get bogged down in organized religions' caricature of God, which leaves us in a neverending debate about the real and the unreal.

My suggestion would be that people should continue to study multiple concepts about existence, or the science of being.

Ultimately, when it comes to our personal knowledge concerning existence, we will always be on our own, no matter what we think we know or believe.

jesus christ is the word of god, and the word of god is just a fantasy.

This is what you call a transitive fantasy.

Don't worry, you won't be around after you die to find out how wrong you were. There won't be any part of your conscious saying "what a fool I was to believe this childish crap" ... your body will be a corpse, rotting into worms and soil, and your mind will be an unpleasant memory in the still existing minds of the people who once knew you.

Joe Allen Dotty

You wrote: Jesus the Christ is THE WORD OF GOD; but, Muslims don't believe that at all.

Strong statement, but how do you KNOW it is true?

Thomas Baum

I have read many of your posts, consider you to be a good writer and thinker, and even agree with some of the things you say (although I never know for what I am supposed to "be ready".)

That said I now confess that I found your post in response to Eboo unusually dogmatic.

Eboo talks about an American gospel. I have read several times the gospels attributed to Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. I even have a book titled "The Gospel According to Jesus".

I think your comments about God, about God's plan, and about the Seventh Day may constitute an outline for a new gospel -- that is, The Gospel According to Baum.

And the question still stands: How do you know any of this?

Oh, now I think I remember your saying you know because you hav had an encounter with God. (Maybe I am wrong about that.)

Keep writing. You almost always make me think.

Respectfully, Cecil

Mr Patel, science has proven that The Hebrew Bible should not be taken literally. The Gospels are just an extension of it, so they should not be taken literally. They are great inspirational books if taken in a symbolic way. For example, "bread" means nourishment for our spirit/soul not the bakers' bread. Before quoting any Gospel we should be aware of these double meaning.

All gods are imaginary. If all you deluded folks would understand that we'd all have an easier time getting along. Your delusional superstitution is no more likely than the next delusional superstition and all of them can't be right. Accept that you have choosen to be a slave to fantasy whichever one you choose and keep it to yourself. If we'd all just respect each other as people and not some BS religion, we'd all be better off.

**What is the Qur'an? The collection of the Prophet Muhammad's preaching/recitation of the Word of God**

No,no.

What is the Qur'an ?

-Unlettered man took Read revelation.
-It's the word of Winged Creature Gabriel who lives in Sky(nobody knows where s/he lives indeed)
-Gabriel inspired by Allah,not God of Bible.

What is the Qur'an ?

-It's the Book of Allah and says Moses was muslim and used to prayer namaz(islamic prostration worship)
-It says *Sun is flat*81.1
-It says House of Allah/Kaaba(dated AD 300-400) had been built by Abraham who had lived in BC 1800-1700

What is the Qur'an ?

-It writes Islam/Submission(Bedouin Desert Order) is the only Religion(others path of perverts and astray goers)
-The Book is the only Correct Scripture(others doctored and corrupted)
-It rejects Trinity and Divinity of Christ.

Belated Happy New Year to Madam Moderator,Editors,Panelists,Posters and Readers.

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E PLURIBUS UNUM As a Christian who appreciates that the Divine is far beyond the mind's capability to comprehend, and languages' ability to express, I am very intrigued by the concept of an American gospel. This perspective may be an invitation for us to move beyond our various divisions in an effort to address and embrace that which unites us as a people - the American people.

Jesus the Christ is THE WORD OF GOD; but, Muslims don't believe that at all.

Mr. Baum is correct.

Eboo Patel

You wrote, "How does the Gospel of John open? "In the beginning was the word / And the word was God."

Then it goes on to say, "And the Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us, and we saw his glory, the glory as of the Father's only Son, full of grace and truth.

Pretty nice of God to not only create us but to become One of us, which is and has been part of God's Plan since before creation, and this Plan, in It's Fruition, will be for ALL to be with God in God's Kingdom, on the seventh day, which God has already announced to us that God Blest, Rested and Made Holy, this seventh day will be everlasting.

See you and the rest of humanity in the Kingdom.

Take care, be ready.

Sincerely, Thomas Paul Moses Baum.