Your disease is putting your faith in Crossan and the Jesus Seminar.

Why would i put my faith in theologians that think they know what is truth but have no idea?

You are like the the blind following the the blind dude.

The best you can do is use adjectives labeling me and others "red neck" and "delusional"

Not much substance to your responses.

Counterww, Counterww, Counterww,

Your Brainwashing in "red-neck" Christianity might be incurable. And the Singularity if there is one may not be pleased with your refusal to think outside your "birth box".

Biggest crisis for this forum- reading thorugh CCNL's copy and pasting.

Same old drivel, different day

YOUR crisis is waking up after dieing and seeing Christ face to face and realizing how wrong you are.

I am sorry, but this whole philosophy is just so much, (and too much), delusion and storytelling.

I grew up with this story as well. For the most part I hold it all to be mythmaking. Projection of human traumas and tragedies and darkness onto the story of the Christed One, with Jesus here playing the main role.

One thing that I can easily enough agree with is that Jesus died to restore order. Fits, makes sense, sold. He was a threat to Rome and died, sharing the fate of all that were threats to Rome.

That he died for our sins? Drivel. No one died for our sins. No one needs die for our sins. We do not need death as recompense for our sins. Whatever is a sin, what corrects that act is not death, the surrender of life, even the surrender of the life of a God. What corrects sin is it's recognition and an act that counters it's effect. For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. We counter sin, however you may define that, by an act of righteousness. Not by death.

The Nicene Creed was a giant step backward in human spiritual evolution, and was an evil counter to the work of spiritual enlightenment that Jesus was engaged in while he was incarnate. It was a travesty that we have not recovered from. It was evil. Contra life and contra god.

It is us that are responsible for our own beauties and coarseness, our rights and wrongs, our good and evil. We must be responsible for them, and to pass them off to stories of resurrection and redemption somehow inherent in the crucifixion is a true sin, disarming christloving humanity from it's own spiritual responsibility. It is us that must bring ourselves out of the dark, and us that must do the work to cleanse body and soul of the impurities of our "sin", so that we may perfect the self and evolve. That was not, and is not, the responsibility of Jesus. His was his own, and to show us the way. We must walk it with our own feet.

justfying a delusion by another smarter delusion

*the cross show us a god who is truthful ,wounded and relational*?

delusion gasing another delusion
cluster delusional eggs!

can,t you look at the sun or the moon to see how truthful and unique the creator god who created this universe ,the creator who created this perfect universe can also be on the cross wounded and related(in need) and his blood all over the universe to convince mankind about his truthfull ness ???????????????????????????????????????????????????

if the above is not a delusion what is a delusion then???

Matthew, Matthew, Matthew,

And Happy Easter to you too even though Easter never happened!!!

Friends,
I am not sure I agree with the original column - especially what appears to be a misunderstanding of Jesus' use of Psalm 22.
However, I groaned aloud to see yet ANOTHER cut-and-paste rant from that OnFaith gadfly, CCNL...does s/he EVER have anything original to say, other than poorly-researched "Jesus Seminar" assertions? It seems no matter the topic, CCNL always manages to find a way to post one of her/his tired, cut-and-paste scripts, often without relevance to the originating column...under the guise of "illuminating" us poor, ignorant savages with her/his Gnostic enlightenment...
Happy Easter, to all those who will find that welcome,
Matthew

Give 'em Hell CCNL

Without the embellishments/lies of P, M, M, L and J there would be no Good Friday and the simple preacher man aka Jesus would not even be a speck of historical dust.

To counter 2000 years of biblical "thumping" and for those eyes that have not seen:

Jesus was an illiterate Jewish peasant/carpenter/simple preacher man who suffered from hallucinations and who has been characterized anywhere from the Messiah from Nazareth to a mythical character from mythical Nazareth to a mamzer from Nazareth (Professor Bruce Chilton, in his book Rabbi Jesus). Analyses of Jesus’ life by many contemporary NT scholars (e.g. Professors Crossan, Borg and Fredriksen, On Faith panelists) via the NT and related documents have concluded that only about 30% of Jesus' sayings and ways noted in the NT were authentic. The rest being embellishments (e.g. miracles)/hallucinations made/had by the NT authors to impress various Christian, Jewish and Pagan sects.

The 30% of the NT that is "authentic Jesus" like everything in life was borrowed/plagiarized and/or improved from those who came before. In Jesus' case, it was the ways and sayings of the Babylonians, Greeks, Persians, Egyptians, Hittites, Canaanites, OT, John the Baptizer and possibly the ways and sayings of traveling Greek Cynics.
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/theories.html

For added "pizzazz", Catholic/Christian theologians divided god the singularity into three persons and invented atonement as an added guilt trip for the "pew people" to go along with this trinity of overseers. By doing so, they made god the padre into god the "filicider".

Current crises:

Pedophiliac priests, atonement theology and original sin!!!!

Luther, Calvin, Smith, Henry VIII, Wesley, Roger Williams et al, founders of Christian-based religions, also suffered from the belief in/hallucinations of "pretty wingie thingie" visits and "prophecies" for profits analogous to the myths of Catholicism (resurrections, apparitions, ascensions and immaculate conceptions).

Current crises:

Adulterous preachers, "propheteering/ profiteering" evangelicals and atonement theology.

If the limitless, infinite and attribute-less God incarnates and gets attributed, then the limitations ensue. Such exemplifications serve to guide humans through their immense suffering to self realization.. that the limited individual who suffers or sins is not separate from the limitless and infinite God. Here the act of lifting humanity's sin with a single act is metaphorical.