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MY BROTHERS I SEE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS MISLEADING OR MAYBE THEY DON'T KNOW THE WORD OF GOD.
THE TEN COMMANDMENTS LOOK IN DEUTERONMY 5:6,21.WHEN GOD CLEARLY SPEAKS OF IDOLS NOT TO WORSHIP, HOW IS IT I CAN TAKE MUD OR CLAY MUD AND MAKE A IMAGE OF JESUS AND PAINT IT AND THEN LIGHT CANDLES AND PUT FLOWERS ON IT AND WORSHIP IT. NO ONE HAS SEEN GOD'S FACE. NOW IT CANNOT SEE YOU, IT CANNOT SMELL YOU, IT CANNOT TASTE THE FOOD YOU PUT BEFORE IT, AND YOU HAVE TO CARRY IT AROUND TO CELEBRATE ITS DAY.YOU PUT COLOUFUL CLOTHES ON IT AND IF YOU PUT IT IN THE RAIN WHAT HAPPENS, IT GOES BACK TO MUD AND THIS IS THE god WE WORSHIP, NOT ONLY JESUS IMAGE, THE CHURCH DOES IT WITH ALL THE SAINTS AS WELL.
JESUS CHRIST SPEAKS TO NICODEMUS JOHN 3:1,21 UNLESS YOU BE BORN AGAIN CAN YOU ENTER THE KINGDOM,NOW WHY DOES JESUS SPEAK ABOUT ALL THIS? HE KNEW WHAT THE JEWS AND THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH IS GOING TO DO IN THE COMING YEARS. MY CATHOLIC BROTHERS AND SISTERS JESUS CAME NOT FOR THE CHURCH BUILDING, HE CAME FOR YOU AND ME TO KNOW HIM THROUGH THE WORD WHICH IS THE BIBLE. WHEN WE BECOME FOLLOWS OF MAN WE MISS OUT WHO THE ACTUAL JESUS CHRIST IS.
WHY DO I HAVE TO GO TO MARY OR THE SAINTS TO PUT A WORD FOR ME FOR MY SINS, WHEN JESUS HIMSELF SAID, WHEN HE DIED ON THE CROSS HE SAID THE CURTAIN IS SPLIT, THAT MEANS WE HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO HIM, HE IS A LOVING GOD WHO CAN FOR GIVE SIN, NO ONE ELSE CAN FORGIVE SIN.WHEN WE ARE IN A PLACE WHERE THERE IS IDOLS NO MATTER THE SAINTS OR MARY, WE ARE IN THE WRONG PLACE OF WORSHIP. WHEN YOU KNOW GOD IS, WHEN YOU SPEAK TO HIM NOT REPEAT PRAYER, NO WHERE IN THE BIBLE IT SPEAKS OF ROSERY OR PRAY TO MARY AND THE SAINTS AND TO ASK THEM TO SPEAK FOR OUR SINS.
IF YOU WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH HERE ARE SOME BIBLE VERSES: MATTEW 5:20, MATTEW 25:34-40, MT 26:44, ACT 9:36, GA 2:10, MR 12:43,44, LU 21:3,4
EC 5:2, LU 11:4, MT 6:9,10,11,12,13, 1CO 10;13,
2PE 2:9, JS 1:12,13, JS 5: 11.
IF YOU HAVE NOT READ THE BIBLE I BEG YOU AND I PLEAD WITH YOU TO PLEASE GO TO A BIBLE BELIEVING CHURCH AND ASK THEM ANY QUESTIONS OR IF YOU DON'T GET ANSWERS I WILL DIRECT YOU TO THE RIGHT PLACE. PLEASE GET SALVATION FIRST AND BE SAVED AND LIVE YOUR LIFE EVERY DAY WITH THE WORD OF GOD, WE ARE LIVING IN THE END TIME WHICH MEANS JESUS CHRIST IS COMING SOON VERY SOON.
I KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT I WAS A CATHOLIC AND NOW I AM LIVING IN CHRIST JESUS ( I AM A BELIEVER)I DO NOT BELONG TO ANY DENOMINATION, NO ONE CAN FOOL ME NOT EVEN SATAN, BECAUSE I KNOW THE WORD OF GOD AND THE HOLY SPIRIT IS WITH ME. I TALK TO GOD AS A FRIEND AND A SON. PLEASE DO NOT REPEAT PRAYER GOD DOES NOT LISTEN TO IT.
LOVE YOU ALL IN JESUS CHRIST NAME AMEN.

Hello Bill L A N G, et al;

Like I said , "For Discussion Only".

Its a link I found and I thought It Was Pertenant To Ask For "Intelligent Input/output as ome expects on WAPO!

Note: I'm a "Fruit Of Israel Born via Twin" (Sabra) an Israeli born. Even Jesus [pbuh] (Yashua/Tawah) said, "I did not ask to be here.[born]." [Similar said]. Just know that I love you ALL! This is OUR Prophecy! Ya Ya,

Note: I'm alittle tipsy now. So Good Night ALL, AUCH! Huggs n kisses to al da Brother(s) n Sistar(s), together Forever Mitt Source ONE! Ya!

Jacob, I didn't know you were so anti-semetic! Do you really think that Jews are behind every evil as your link that you posted says? How sad!

Elizabeth, that was a moving letter! I feel the same way during the consedration and after communion!

Mary Cunningham, Jack, I'm happy to see such reverant and faithful Catholics on the forum.

Frank, you're an a**! Oh, I'm sorry, did I spell that wrong?

" absalom:

"Dear people of faith:

"As a non-Catholic of indeterminate persuasion, I have been much troubled of late. The Pope has decreed that non-Catholic religions are suspect, flawed and perhaps non-Christian. I am beginning to realize that this means I am destined to burn forever in the Fiery Pit of Hell. This is causing me not only to lose sleep but to entertain doubts whether the Maker and Author of the Universe means to turn Eternity over to an eighty-year old bookish Bavarian ideologue and alumni of the Hitler Youth. My soul is full of doubt and turmoil. Please counsel me in my hour of uncertitude and shaky faithyness. Thanks."

I do think it's interesting that the fellow seems to have decreed everyone but his group 'spiritually criminal' and going to Hell, and they talk about the Latin Mass.

It's interesting how many Protestant clergy among our panelists applaud the wisdom of this move, perhaps unaware that this Pope in the same decree... effectively declared them 'Agents of Hell.'

Welcome back to the club. :)

Frank and LI native, As a Long Island native I am peronally not offended by the way Ms. Tenety presented her blog. Ms. Tenety wanted to show the rhythmn and how the dialect sounded in her church. Furthermore, You need a hobby Frank. Instead of arguing with people on a website why dont you go make a difference in the Catholic Church. If the people you are arguing with are SO inferior with their intellectual ability (their grammar) than why do you argue with them and continue to put them down? Why would you care? You seem to have very low self esteem and continue to make crude and disgusting remarks when there is no need to.

Dear "Long Island Native" and "Frank",
It is fairly astounding that both of your take aways from this blog were, respectively,"Was the attack on Long Islanders and on regional dialects necessary?" and "Yeah, why are you dissin' Long Islanders?"
It appears that Ms. Tenety, in this and other blogs, uses self-deprecating humor to segue into
the difficult topics that are part of her faith journey.

My understanding from this blog, and others, is that Ms. Tenety continues to struggle on a personal journey to connect to her God and her Church. She does not travel on her faith journey by sniping at others but by examining her own behavior and issues. Take note of this "Long Island Native" and "Frank".I am not really sure, by the content of your postings, that either of you have this admirable capability.
I have a novel idea for the two of you. How about constructively guiding a young adult, searching for her faith, if you disagree with her premise?
Ms. Tenety,through this blog, exposes herself to the likes of you,and still continues to blog . Although she is scorned and totally misunderstood by most respondents, she keeps on blogging. I will never know but, my guess is that Ms. Tenety is way ahead of you two in her faith journey. Godspeed, Liz.
Just wondering what score the two of you received on your SAT reading comprehension test?
I think I know the answer.
I guess that her next blog should say,
"This is me using self-deprecating humor."

Dear "Long Island Native" and "Frank",
It is fairly astounding that both of your take aways from this blog were, respectively,"Was the attack on Long Islanders and on regional dialects necessary?" and "Yeah, why are you dissin' Long Islanders?"
It appears that Ms. Tenety, in this and other blogs, uses self-deprecating humor to segue into
the difficult topics that are part of her faith journey.

My understanding from this blog, and others, is that Ms. Tenety continues to struggle on a personal journey to connect to her God and her Church. She does not travel on her faith journey by sniping at others but by examining her own behavior and issues. Take note of this "Long Island Native" and "Frank".I am not really sure, by the content of your postings, that either of you have this admirable capability.
I have a novel idea for the two of you. How about constructively guiding a young adult, searching for her faith, if you disagree with her premise?
Ms. Tenety,through this blog, exposes herself to the likes of you,and still continues to blog . Although she is scorned and totally misunderstood by most respondents, she keeps on blogging. I will never know but, my guess is that Ms. Tenety is way ahead of you two in her faith journey. Godspeed, Liz.
Just wondering what score the two of you received on your SAT reading comprehension test?
I think I know the answer.
I guess that her next blog should say,
"This is me using self-deprecating humor."

It just so happens I lived most of my younger life south of the Mason-Dixon, and have lived on Long Island for the past 18 years.

The Long Island accent is a combination of Brooklynese, a Bronx accent, and Queens, too. I can pretty much tell the difference now.

Lawnguyland is an amalgamation (sp).

True story: when I first moved here, I was shopping late one evening in a clothing store, and I strained to hear the salesgirls (both high school age) conversing in what I thought was a foreign language.

You guessed it! They were speaking with their "accent."

Since then, I notice that the accent is greatly diluted.

And, it doesn't sound so strange when I do hear it.

As I became more familiar with local ways, I stopped asking for my bagels toasted at the deli. Furthermore, I also stopped saying "ya'll." It just sounded too hokey hundreds of miles from home.

I miss some things about Southern living, but I also enjoy many things about living on Long Island.

One thing that surprised me most was how my adopted home looks surprisingly like parts of New England in some places. And doesn't sound like "New Yawk" at all.

A truly creative, and conceptual word-world artist...an
amazing theoretician.

I especially enjoy reading his missives out loud, which
brings out the rythm and musicality of his thought.

Jacob are YOU from JAMAICA...are you from Ifriqqiya?

SHALOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

Patrick,

"Everyone else can go to HELL"???

I guess it's evident that catholicism doesn't change people. Jesus did say "By their fruit you shall know them". By telling people to go to hell, I guess you bearing thorns and weeds my friend. I'll stick with biblical teachings instead of relying on pope benny for answers.

Jesus is the way and the truth and the light. Not the pope. The pope is just some dude with a funny hat. Why should I listen to him over Jesus?

Dear "Faithful up to a point":

Be of good cheer. Know the Good News. Jesus's message was Love. John 4:16. God is Love, whosoever Lives in Love Lives in God and God in Him. God's love for you is endless and eternal, while the Pope's crabbed, bookish sectarianism is narrow, divisive and false. God is boundless and outside the religiosity and conventions and rituals and dogmas and sanctimony and limited perspectives of individual men. Priests and elders and canon law can't save you. You will not burn in the Fiery Pit because that does not exist, here or anywhere. Such fairy stories of men come and go, like "limbo", once a Church edict, now banished. What does exist is the Kingdom of Heaven and most people's separation from it, and it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter into it. Apparently it is a state of transcendent awareness. Many are called, few are chosen. The gate is strait. The poor and the humble in spirit shall have entry, Jesus says, not the stern temple elders, the money changers, the lawgivers, the Pharisees, the elegantly dressed. richly housed, perfumed and brocaded potentates and prelates who imperfectly ape but don't truly embody Christ's actual teachings of universal love and forgiveness in this life, which is a gift not to be wasted on the silly stories of old men.

Dear people of faith:

As a non-Catholic of indeterminate persuasion, I have been much troubled of late. The Pope has decreed that non-Catholic religions are suspect, flawed and perhaps non-Christian. I am beginning to realize that this means I am destined to burn forever in the Fiery Pit of Hell. This is causing me not only to lose sleep but to entertain doubts whether the Maker and Author of the Universe means to turn Eternity over to an eighty-year old bookish Bavarian ideologue and alumni of the Hitler Youth. My soul is full of doubt and turmoil. Please counsel me in my hour of uncertitude and shaky faithyness. Thanks.

/s/ Faithful up to a point.

Why does Sally Quinn's WP initiative to host religious blogging bring out so much loghorrea, pettiness, hatefulness and crackpottery? Is this what earnest faithyness is supposed to bring? This is the question posed by several bloggers. Perhaps more of us should take to heart Thomas Merton's example, a supremely gifted writer and speaker who for some time followed an oath of silence. Would that more of the hateful ones followed Merton's lead into contemplation and self-examination.

Elizabeth,

Thanks for a really good and thoughtful offering. I happen to be Episcopal, but have the same feelings about our Holy Eucharist as you do about your Mass. Tears in my eyes, many times.

As for Frank and his ilk - as the old saying goes, "Don't let the bastards grind you down." Their endless pseudo-intellectual flatulence is, at the end of the day, simply boring.

Posted on July 13, 2007 16:09

Patrick:

You proved my point.

Yeah, why are you dissin' Long Islanders?

Such arrogance. You college kids think you are so smart just because you were able to avoid working for the past four years. Well, get a few years of real work behind you before you try to besmirch the fine people of Long Island.

Is the Washington Post paying you to look down your nose at the rest of us?

Was the attack on Long Islanders and on regional dialects necessary? What, exactly, does it add to your article other than to insult those you feel are beneath you?

Well, of course we'll all be going to Hell, Patty boy. We're not Catholic, so Herr Pope says we're doomed.

Ohhhhhhh, the humanity!

At least we can hang with John Ratzinger while we're down there.

You know why I don't read this feature? Because it's the biggest bunch of hateful, petty posters around.

"One thing about Catholics. You never have to be concerned about them mentioning the Name of Jesus. HE IS THE CENTER OF CHRISTIANITY. Sorry to disturb you Catholics, NOT the Pope."

That's not close to the worst.

Thank you, Elizabeth, for sharing your thoughts with us. Thanks to those of you who just want to share your own experience.

Everyone else can go to Hell -- whether or not you believe in it.

Oh Jack, give it a rest. O.k., we get it. You're a great and loyal servant of God and Jesus, blah blah blah.

But, in another way, you sound like a creepy old dude trying to make time with a pretty young co-ed. And, since you admitted that you prosecute "horrific criminal acts," I don't know what you are capable of.

I was never trying to "dissuade" you from anything. YOU attacked ME first when you called me a fruitcake.

Hey Jack, Lizzie, Young Catholic Mom, et. al., where in the Bible does Jesus name the Roman Catholic Church as THE ONE TRUE PLACE OF SALVATION??? When did Jesus say that the only confession that counts when you confess to a Roman Catholic priest??? (Yeah, I'll bet those creepy pedophile priests love that belief since they get to go into a dark room with young boys on a regular basis.) When did Jesus say that pedophile Roman Catholic priests should be protected from punishment??? When did Jesus say that ONLY the Roman Catholic Pope speaks for him??? When did Jesus say that the Roman Catholic Pope is infallible???

Besides, I thought George Bush and his crowd had co-opted God and Jesus back in the 80s.

The Pope is a arrogant liar and a Nazi. When he claims to speak for God, he becomes a liar. He became a Nazi long long ago, and it's evident by his teachings that his belief still burns strong.

One thing about Catholics. You never have to be concerned about them mentioning the Name of Jesus. HE IS THE CENTER OF CHRISTIANITY. Sorry to disturb you Catholics, NOT the Pope.

Thank you, Elizabeth, and YoungCatholicMom:

I concur with YCM. It is refreshing to read an intelligent, sensible posting by someone who can write well, who isn't afraid to be open to her own internal dialogue, and who has the kindness to share her feelings with others. Life is a process of filtering out the static and electronic interference from others who are obstructionist, oppositional, negative, or merely sick. I'm an old guy, and have learned not to be dissuaded by the Frank's and Jacob's of the world who have little or nothing of value to say to anyone, or who confuse expressions of rage and confusion with intelligent conversation. For my part, my Catholic faith has sustained me in the waning years of life. You have the advantage of having recognized its value in the bloom of your youth. Hold on, don't let go. Don't be turned aside by the boo-birds. Tune them out. It's the Mary's and YCM's who have heard your voice, and who appreciate what you're trying to do. I did also, and think it was the innate honesty of your sharing which I found appealing, both emotionally and intellectually. Keep writing because you have a voice. For the sake of a confused world, please continue to use it. Kind regards from someone you will never meet.

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Correction: People in Alabama DO NOT have a hillbilly accent. They have a deep South accent. People in Appalachia and bordering areas have hillbilly accents, but the term "hillbilly" is considered offensive.

Robin is obviously NOT a Southerner. I have a Southern accent, but it's not an Appalachian accent. Yankees and other ignorant people usually don't know that there is a difference.

JACK, before you call someone a fruitcake, learn how to spell FRUITCAKE. And, I can't see where you have actually added anything useful to this conversation, FRUITCAKE. Let's see if I read it right. You said you are someone who "who prosecutes horrific criminal acts." Right?

It's only possible to prosecute a person. It's impossible to prosecute an act. In your usage of the word "prosecute," you are saying that you carry on or practice horrific criminal acts. So, I say Jack (aka Fruitcake for real), get your life together and stop prosecuting horrific criminal acts. Get a law degree and prosecute horrific criminals instead. Geez! What a fruitcake.

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Elizabeth,
Don't let the comments by a few nut cases mar the wonderful dialogue started in your column, and continued by the thinking people who responded. It was wonderful to read your thoughts, sharing a smile and a moment of faith. May God's peace and love always be with you.

Jeeeezum Pete! Where DO all the frootcakes come from? What is it about the internet and an ostensibly public forum that brings out the freaks, crackpots, idiots, electronic road-ragers, and other people who have nothing to say of consequence, but who will expend hours and zillions of 1's and 0's of binary code to say it?

Frank: Go home. You're safe there.

Robin: Please learn to read critically so that you don't make a fool of yourself in public.

PopSlash: Thank you for reading critically.

Jacob: Try Paxil. Your life will be better. Trust me.

I think her point was that she was practicing to NOT have a Long Island accent when reading out loud.

is that you FRANK?

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Liz honey, didn't you get the memo and women and the church? The Catholic Church doesn't want your opinions and Pope Benedict would probably prefer that you keep your opinions to yourself, get married and have lots of babies. That was the NAZI plan, and let's not forget that John Ratzinger, AKA THE POPE, was trained to be a good little NAZI.

On the other hand, if you were a pre-teen boy, there are LOTS OF PRIESTS who would want to chat with you. Even if you were a young-looking in shape teen boy, you'd get more attention than you will as a woman.

I think the fact that you even state an opinion shows that you are not a TRUE "Catholic" girl.

Shame, shame.

And, one thing I wish to clarify something -- I do not hate Catholic people. In fact, I pity them. I do, however, dislike the Catholic CHURCH very much.

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No,Elizabeth Tenety is American after all!

This was a hot chat, until "Jack" got all spiritual on us.

Lovely thoughts. I am an older man -- married with kids and dawg -- who prosecutes horrific criminal acts. Going to Mass daily at the Cathedral is an opportunity to elect your remedy: to step momentarily out of the world, withdraw slightly inward, and steep ones' self in the majestic quiet of soaring arches and candle flames shimmering in the summer heat, with the scarlet glimmer of the sanctuary lamp which reminds us of the Real Presence. What a joy to be received in the presence of God, into the quiet and solitude, into the company of the faithful who come to daily Mass, into the readings and prayers, and to emerge refreshed and renewed with a drop of holy water clinging to the forehead upon leaving. You may feel small, Elizabeth, but you have opened your soul to the peace which was promised us, should we only be silent a moment to find it. What a joy to find it in such a "precious quiet" as you describe. Some ignorant person may decry what you have penned so eloquently. Don't be dissuaded by those who would likely sell their souls to find the peace you have found. Best wishes. Pray without ceasing. Listen to the silence. The love of God will well up inside you like a spring of cool water. Be refreshed and at peace . . . .

So Elizabeth T., you are Catholic after all!

The Mass has its own rhythm, even with the awkward liturgy (hopefully soon improved.) I always feel a buildup of tension, the Sanctus, then the prayers leading up to the consecration of the host, especially when the priest raises the Eucharist high..(Did you know in Elizabethan times, Catholics believed that looking at the host afforded special graces and that Catholics were called "gazers"?)

Then the wait in the communion queue and my own prayers after. I love that time after communion as well.