CCNL:

I am fed-up by reading your same cut/pastes for several months on these blogs.
Do you have anything positve to say? any of your ideas which you keep hiding that they might be blown into pieces if you brought them in light.
Islam is on the rise in all continents and therefore it is obvious to have opponents.

hsnkhwj,

We "pew sitters" and "five-a-day bowers" have been subjected to the biblical and koranic flaws and errors of Judaism, Christianity and Islam for centuries on a 24/7 basis. It is time for the truth which needs to be promulgated with equal vim and vigor on a 24/7 basis. Deal with it!!!

1. Abraham is the reported founder of Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Based on all we know now, Abraham was at best a combination of three separate individuals with 1.5 million Conservative Jews no longer believing he existed at all. (ditto for all the characters in the OT).

references: National Georgraphic review on Abraham and http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/ConservativeTorah.htm

2. The founders of Christianity and Islam were both illiterate. i.e. neither one proof read or approved the NT or the Koran so we are taking the word of scribes and embellishers with their own agendas.

references: NT exegetes from the last two hundred years, Karen Armstrong's reviews of Islam and http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/theories.html

3. Christianity is based on the whim of Pilate, the false prophesy of the imminent second coming, and the sword of Constantine.

references: NT exegetes and their conclusions/books from the last two hundred years

Blog Owner:
When some of your readers challenge me to document my claims you withold my reply. Is this the way in your opinion to expose the truth? Or maybe you have an agenda of your own?

Islam is not the problem, but rather organized religion in general! When looking back on the history of the world, almost every single conflict is in some way tainted by the issue of religous beliefs.

Individuals like CCNL and abhab have an agenda--demonize Muslims and Islam.

CCNL depicts his bankruptcy of ideas by cutting and pasting the same things over and over again. These individuals have no shame. No one pays any attention to what they have to say because semi-literate people can not be taken seriously.

Shark, Shark, Shark,

Your Islamic roots are showing!!!

CCNL

what a stupid cut/paste job by a net-cafe employee -CCNL.

What some educated Muslims do in their spare time:

1a) 179 killed in Mumbai/Bombay, 290 injured

1b) Assassination of Benazir Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh

2) 9/11, 3000 mostly US citizens, 1000’s injured- terrorists were college graduates

3) The 24/7 Sunni-Shiite centuries-old blood feud currently being carried out in Iraq, US Troops, 3,440 KIA, 846 non-hostile) and 91,843 – 100,263 Iraqi civilians killed, http://www.iraqbodycount.org/ and
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/casualty.pdf

4) Kenya- In Nairobi, about 212 people were killed and an estimated 4000 injured; in Dar es Salaam, the attack killed at least 11 and wounded 85.[2]

5) Bali-in 2002-killing 202 people, 164 of whom were foreign nationals, and 38 Indonesian citizens. A further 209 people were injured.

6) Bali in 2005- Twenty people were killed, and 129 people were injured by three bombers who killed themselves in the attacks.

7) Spain in 2004- killing 191 people and wounding 2,050.

8) UK in 2005- The bombings killed 52 commuters and the four radical Islamic suicide bombers, injured 700.

9) 2007- Seven Muslim doctors held in the UK over al-Qa'eda fire bomb plot at two UK airports.

10) The execution of an eloping couple in Afghanistan on 04/15/2009 by the Taliban.

"It is not in the tradition of Muslims to think for themselves. They listen and learn from their sects' clerics most notably their mosque imams. Most even among the highly educated know next to nothing beyond the rudimentary rituals of their religion, and many do not even practice those rituals. Yet draw a cartoon and the whole Nation of Islam erupts in anger and violence."
To get a feel of who manipulates them simply listen to the Friday “sermons” in their mosques. They are clear and straightforward incitements against the other. The other being whoever does not subscribe to the imam’s religious worldview, and does not have to be a non-Muslim.
You can never be certain where you stand with a Muslim because of their principle of "Taqiyyah" whereby it is sanctioned by their God to lie and deceive to further the cause of their religion.

Posted by: abhab | May 14, 2009 1:11 PM
***************************************************************
I do not know where all this crap of abhab comes from. This person does not provide any evidence of what he says. I have read his diatribes many times before.

"It is not the tradition of Muslims to think for themselves." What an Islamophobic generalization!

American Muslims are physicians, surgeons, professors, lawyers, scientists, engineers, computer programmers, pharmacologists, shop keepers, and yes, cab drivers. Does any one seriously believe this person's crap?

He does not know the tradition established by Ghazali, Averroes, Rumi and countless other Muslim scholars.

I am surprise to see that some comment writers imagine the readers "illetrate" and try to educate them with their own "false wisdom" based on hate for that religion, in this case Islam.

They are in no way masters to teach us Islam and tell us what actually Islam is.

Mr. Kinder advises:
"We now need to move beyond stereotypes: perhaps we might start by listening to their authentic voices, at MuslimWestFacts.com?"

It is not in the tradition of Muslims to think for themselves. They listen and learn from their sects' clerics most notably their mosque imams. Most even among the highly educated know next to nothing beyond the rudimentary rituals of their religion, and many do not even practice those rituals. Yet draw a cartoon and the whole Nation of Islam erupts in anger and violence.
To get a feel of who manipulates them simply listen to the Friday “sermons” in their mosques. They are clear and straightforward incitements against the other. The other being whoever does not subscribe to the imam’s religious worldview, and does not have to be a non-Muslim.
You can never be certain where you stand with a Muslim because of their principle of "Taqiyyah" whereby it is sanctioned by their God to lie and deceive to further the cause of their religion.

Hmmm, Shark2? That does have a cultish sound? A bit of Baha'ist?? Some Islamic cult??

Shark, Shark, Shark,

Reiteration is one of the fundamental tools for gaining knowledge. Hopefully you are learning from Ayaan Hirsi Ali's experiences.

CCNL

Do you have anything new to say? I find your cut/paste gimmicks nearly in all On Faith articles, are you doing so as a full time job?
I never saw if you have ever commented on the topic under discussion.
Are you okay? is your upper chamber doing fine - or else see a doc....
Ayaan Hirsi Ali: she is not a scholar or authority on any subjectm except that she became a tool in exchange for green card which brought her from africa to the modern world of United States.

I appreciate James Kidner for trying to create a honest understanding between the people of different religions.

We all need to read Ayaan Hirsi Ali's autobiography, - "Infidel".

"Thus begins the extraordinary story of a woman born into a family of desert nomads, circumcised as a child, educated by radical imams in Kenya and Saudi Arabia, taught to believe that if she uncovered her hair, terrible tragedies would ensue. It's a story that, with a few different twists, really could have led to a wretched life and a lonely death, as her grandmother warned. But instead, Hirsi Ali escaped -- and transformed herself into an internationally renowned spokeswoman for the rights of Muslim women."
ref: Washington Post book review.

four excerpts:

p. 47 paperback issue:

"Some of the Saudi women in our neighborhood were regularly beaten by their husbands. You could hear them at night. Their screams resounded across the courtyards. "No! Please! By Allah!"

p.68:

"The Pakistanis were Muslims but they too had castes. The Untouchable girls, both Indian and Pakistani were darker skin. The others would not play with them because they were untouchable. We thought that was funny because of course they were touchable: we touched them see? but also horrifying to think of yourself as untouchable, despicable to the human race."

p.309

"Between October 2004 and May 2005, eleven Muslim girls were killed by their families in just two regions (there are 20 regions in Holland). After that, people stopped telling me I was exaggerating."

p. 347

"The kind on thinking I saw in Saudi Arabia and among the Brotherhood of Kenya and Somalia, is incompatible with human rights and liberal values. It preserves the feudal mind-set based on tribal concepts of honor and shame. It rests on self-deception, hyprocricy, and double standards. It relies on the technologial advances of the West while pretending to ignore their origin in Western thinking. This mind-set makes the transition to modernity very painful for all who practice Islam".

These incidents are common in Islam. THEY ARE NOT DISTORTIONS!!! And said practices are the major reason Islamics will remain isolated in countries like the UK, Germany, France and the USA.