http://www.investigativeproject.org/blog/2010/10/blair-islamists-have-outmaneuvered-western

Tony Blair: "We should wake up to the absurdity of our surprise at the prevalence of this extremism. Look at the funds it receives. Examine the education systems that succor it. And then measure, over the years, the paucity of our counter attack in the name of peaceful co-existence," Blair said. "We have been outspent, outmaneuvered and out-strategized."

Tony is getting there. He still does not get it. He still wants to find extremist versus moderate muslims. As long as the emphasis is on Muslims, it will be impossible to find the moderates. The emphasis has to be on the ideology that drives the extremists and that is Islam. Hopefully that will make the moderates step up and define Islam for the modern world.

Al Qaeda's magazine Inspire encourages jihadists to engage in "lone wolf" attacks, like the Fort Hood shooting rampage, rather than travel to join extremists groups.

Another article suggests welding blades to the front of a pickup truck to use "as a mowing machine, not to mow grass, but mow down the enemies of Allah."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/oct/13/online-journal-al-qaeda-pushes-lone-wolf-attacks/?page=1

At the time of this posting, a copy of Inspire is available here. THIS IS IN NO WAY AN ENDORSEMENT OF ITS CONTENTS BY THIS POSTER:

http://rapidshare.com/files/424763228/inspire.pdf

As to this...

"For Abrahamhab1 and everyone else: Please stop listing direct text from any religious book. There is a huge historical reason behind the chapters and verses and what exactly they mean and why they were revealed."

The MANY examples people have used out of the Quran are NOT taken out of context. YES, that is something that is easy to do and happens a lot, but in this case, they are saying exactly what it sounds like they are saying.

The one true goal of Islam is to be the one and only religion on earth. While most religions would like theirs to be the primary "world faith", only one still openly sanctions torture and murder to achieve this goal. Only one has not evolved with the rest of the world. Only one actually encourages it's followers to befriend their "enemies" until they are strong enough to defeat them.

Are all Muslims evil? Of course not. Is Islam as a whole evil? Absolutely. Freedom of religion was never meant to protect any religion that calls for the murder of members of any other faith. It was meant to allow ALL people to practice their faith without persecution, and I am pretty sure that being killed by a Muslim because I am not a Muslim, would qualify as persecution.

There is no "Radical Islam". there is only Islam. The PC crowd wants you to believe there is a tiny group of extremists making the larger group look bad. That kind of ignorant PC thinking is going to get us ALL in a lot of trouble.
There is no "Radical Islam". there is only Islam. The PC crowd wants you to believe there is a tiny group of extremists making the larger group look bad. That kind of ignorrant PC thinking is going to get us ALL in a lot of trouble.

Garoth writes: "God to the Holy Lands, and you will find most Muslims, especially native ones, very hospitable. In fact, a Muslim family has opened the doors of the Church of the Holy Sepulcher for hundreds of years. But noone here seams to want to hear them. As the congressman notes, we instead give ear to every freak and nut case - like many of those who post here - instead of listening to ordinary Muslims talk about their faith."

Of course there are many many very good humans among the Muslims. Fortunately this is in spite of the evil of Islam. Talking about Holy lands:
http://religion-today.blogspot.com/2009/06/place-holder.html
NO MORE CHRISTIANS IN THE HOLY LAND?
But in Israel and the Palestinian Territories, the native Christian population is dwindling for another reason, namely, conversion to Islam. The following column was written about this phenomenon in January 2000. It is still true today.
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Anyone wants to hazard a guess why the sudden spurt to conversion to Islam among the christians of the holy land? Hint: look at the spike in the hate and discrimination against the christians.
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http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/bethlehem_exodus_jH6iVNuarsPLBceXPzHO6I

Christians are fleeing the town of Christ's birth, and the much-reported hardship that Israel inflicts on residents of the West Bank town has little to do with it. It's the same reality across the Arab world: rising Islamism pushes non-Muslims away.

Islamists frown on real-estate ownership by non-Muslims -- Christian, Jew or anything else. And though the secular Palestinian Authority still controls the West Bank, the clout of groups like Hamas is growing: Even in Bethlehem, where followers of history's most famous baby once thrived, Christians are ceding the land.

Back to the exodus: Fifty years ago, Christians made up 70 percent of Bethlehem's population; today, about 15 percent.

Indeed, the Christian population of the entire West Bank -- mostly Greek Orthodox and Roman Catholic, with Copts, Russian Orthodox, Armenians and others -- is dwindling.

But, again, the story's the same in Egypt, Iraq and elsewhere in the Mideast. Practically the only place in the region where the Christian population is growing is in Israel.

In Bethlehem, Christians now feel besieged. Growing numbers of rural southern West Bankers from the Hebron area have moved north to Bethlehem in recent years. Many see the land as Waqf -- belonging to the Muslim nation. They increasingly buy or confiscate land -- and talk of laws to ban Christian landownership.
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Are these facts wrong, Mr.Garoth? Who does not want to listen to facts?
Are these facts any different from that of the hindu population of Pakistan was about 25% in 1947 and it is now less than half a percent. Unfortunately, migration does not account for even a minor fraction of what happened to the non-muslims in Pakistan.
Who does not want to list to facts?

arathur

You wrote, "How can you even trust a book that teaches something as absurd as the trinity?????"

I have met the Trinity so I know that God Is a Trinity and we are not asked to trust in a book but to trust in God.

You also wrote, "You obviously don't know anything about Islam. If you did, you would know that Jesus is VERY highly revered, loved and respected; then how can Islam be an antichrist theology?"

Easy, the god of islam says that Jesus, God-Incarnate, is merely human and his messenger.

This is totally in opposition to what Jesus taught and why God became One of us.

The question that Jesus asked many years ago is just as pertinent today, "Who do you say that I AM?"

Also when Jesus was asked to teach His disciples how to pray, He responded, "Our Father...", does not the god of islam get mighty perturbed if anyone calls themself a child of God and even more so when someone refers to Jesus as The Son of God?

The god of islam says that what Jesus is reported to have said in the bible and what the bible says about Jesus is a lie and yet says that Jesus is his prophet, is this not true?

The god of islam is satan and just what did Jesus say about satan but that satan is a liar and a thief or does the god of islam change this also in the koran?

As I have said, the True, Living, Triune, Triumphant God is a searcher of hearts and minds, not of religious affiliations or lack thereof.

Besides satan being a liar and a thief, he is also a loser, a sore loser and even tho it may appear that he wins, he will not and his loss will be total, as it is written: "God will declare VICTORY in favor of the Holy Ones" and this VICTORY will be TOTAL VICTORY.

The GOOD NEWS that Jesus asked us to Proclaim is ultimately for ALL OF CREATION which includes ALL OF HUMANITY.

Take care, be ready.

Sincerely, Thomas Paul Moses Baum.

AdvocateMom, you obviously don't know any Muslims, and don't read much. The folks who want to build a couple of blocks from the 9/11 site are just such Muslims, and have been working with Christians, Jews and other people of good will for years. I headed a Peace Task Group in Western PA during the Intifada and Gulf War, where we had Christians, Jews and Muslims who gathered to talk about our beliefs, and what each of them might bring to the table to make peace possible. God to the Holy Lands, and you will find most Muslims, especially native ones, very hospitable. In fact, a Muslim family has opened the doors of the Church of the Holy Sepulcher for hundreds of years. But noone here seams to want to hear them. As the congressman notes, we instead give ear to every freak and nut case - like many of those who post here - instead of listening to ordinary Muslims talk about their faith. And, of course, we then deny the truth and twist it to fit our own biases.

Congressman, thank you. I wish you were my congressman. I would vote for you anytime!

KOK1 asserts:
“prophet Muhammad is the best example of a human being that ever lived and that I look forward to emulating."

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9. Safiya; Muhammad had killed her father and then had her husband tortured and killed. He "married" her the same night he had literally destroyed her tribe at Khaybar. Muslims still taunt the jews by chanting "Khaybar, Khaybar, The army of Muhammad will return" as they did on the Flotilla trying to break the blockade. She was sixteen.

Posted by: AKafir | October 12, 2010 1:52 AM

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This seems to be an inauspicious way to start a marriage. I don’t think that they had a very happy marriage at all. I think that if you kill a girl’s father, husband and brothers and all their male relatives past the age of puberty, she might not be able to develop any romantic feelings for you. Not only that, Muhammad concluded a peace treaty with them and promised them safe passage, then chopped all their heads off. I really don’t think Safiya would be able to trust him after that. And lack of trust would doom their marriage from the start.

Additionally, what if you had kids? How will you explain why the in-laws never come to visit? Do you just say “Daddy had them all killed, now brush your teeth and go to bed?” I think that most kids would have to develop some sort of emotional problems growing up like that. Imagine the bullying at school, “My Daddy raped your grandmother to death!” is probably one of the lesser taunts, or “My Daddy keeps your aunt in the cellar as a s3x slave, I hear her scream every night.”

I just don’t think that Muhammad’s tribal headquarters was a healthy environment for children. After much soul-searching, I personally have decided not to emulate his behavior.

"you must marry nine wives"

Nine is for those who do not study Islam. The list is:
1. Khadija; Muhammad was her third husband. She was distinguished and wealthy woman. She was a pagan, and her example belies all the nonsense about how women's lot improved with Islam. No woman after Islam ever had as much freedom and power as Khadija did as a pagan.
2. Sauda, daughter of Zam'a.
3. Aiesha: she was six when Muhammad married her, she was nine when he had sex with her and she was sixteen when he died. She was his favorite wife, muslims claim.
4. Umm Salama, the widow of a meccan emigrant who had died of wounds suffered in the battle of Uhud.
5. Hafsa daughter of Umar bin al Khattab of the infamous Pact of Umar
6.Zaynab was the wife of Muhammad's adopted son, Zayd, and Muhammad walked in when she was uncovered and wanted her. Zayd gave her up and Allah in the Quran sanctions the marriage because people were gossiping since even the Pagans considered that marriage immoral. After that adoption was unIslamic. An adoptee could never take the family name and had to retain his father's lineage. An adopted son can marry the woman who raised him as her son because she can never be her son, and he can marry his adopted sisters. Allah rejected the previous pagan practices where the adopted son was like a real son and could not marry his adopted mother or sisters, so Muhammad could marry Zayneb.
7.Jowayriya daughter of al-Harith bin Abi Derar
8. Umm Habiba daughter of Abu Sufyan
9. Safiya; Muhammad had killed her father and then had her husband tortured and killed. He "married" her the same night he had literally destroyed her tribe at Khaybar. Muslims still taunt the jews by chanting "Khaybar, Khaybar, The army of Muhammad will return" as they did on the Flotilla trying to break the blockade. She was sixteen.
10. Maymuna daughter of Al-Hareth.
11. Fatema, daughter of Shorayh
12. Hend, daughter of Yazid
13. Asma, daughter of Saba
14. Zaynab, daughter of Khozayma
15. Habla, daughter of Qays
16. Asma daughter of Noman
17 Fatema, daughter of ud-Dahhak
18 Mariya the Copt, a slave girl who was sent from Egypt as a gift to Muhammad.(Some do not consider her as a wife but merely a concubine)
19 Rayhana was also a copt and like Maria was considered "those whom your right hand has acquired".
20. Umm Sharik of the Dawes tribe

And there were of course the women of the defeated kafirs who are permitted to a muslims and they can be treated as concubines before they are sold or traded. The muslim imams list those as "numerous".

KOK1 asserts:
“prophet Muhammad is the best example of a human being that ever lived and that I look forward to emulating (not a divine figure)."

To emulate Mohammad you must marry nine wives at the same time, one of which should be 8 years old. You must take part in over 80 wars and should be ready to kill all those who condemn any of your actions. You furthermore must convince those around you that you are Allah’s favorite human being and that the universe was created for your sake. Could you do any of this today anywhere in the USA?

Family Minister Kristina Schroeder warned over the weekend that many ethnic Germans have been the brunt of discrimination by foreigners living in Germany.

Schroeder made her comments Sunday on public television, saying that "German children and teenagers are being (verbally) attacked because they are German."

"Anti-German sentiments are a form of xenophobia and racism," Schroeder said. "Here, someone is being discriminated against because he or she belong to a certain ethnic group," the minister said.
Schroeder added that the problem was common on some school playgrounds and on public transportation.

Schroeder's remarks followed strong words over the weekend by Horst Seehofer, the state premier of Bavaria, who said on Saturday that Germany should not accept any more Muslim or Arab immigrants.

I forgot to provide the link to the hadith for Safiyah being enslave and then "married" to Muhammad.

Here it is:
http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/bukhari/008.sbt.html#001.008.367

KoK1: "As for the rest of your diatribe, prophet Muhammad is the best example of a human being that ever lived and that I look forward to emulating (not a divine figure)."

It is now fairly well known that Muhammad married a six year old girl and had sex with her before she is nine. Because of this example of his and the desire of muslims to emulate him, million of young girls across muslim countries are condemned to serious health problems for life.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCWtdGkJx2E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRpSolI7tUM

What is less known is that Muhammad "married" a 16 year old jewish woman(Safiyah) the same night of the day he had tortured her husband to extract the hidden treasure of their tribe and had killed most of the men of her tribe. Awful as that is, Chechan Muslims use that example and their desire to emulate Muhammad, will raid and kidnap a woman to marry. They justify the raiding and kidnapping because Muhammad did it!!
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e82_1187424827

Political correctness does not allow saying the reasons that are given for this barbaric custom, but if you ever travel in that region and ask how in heck can such a custom be justified, you invariably get the answer tracing it back to Muhammad.

Emulating Muhammad leads the Muslims into some truly strange and nasty behaviors.

KoK1:
"Being killed is the easy part. Living with discrimination and harassment as is common in Israel, and now becoming common in Europe and USA for muslims, is more difficult. For Kafirs, however, these regions are like paradise and they are the first to incite hatred toward the muslims."

How are the muslim lands for the non-muslims or Kafirs as the Muslims call them? The hate and discrimination against the non-muslims in all muslim lands is open and unrelenting. Did you ever feel that hate was unjust? Playing the victim in Israel, or playing the victim in Chechneya, or playing the victim in Kashmir, or in the philipines, or in Ceylon is something that Kafirs are beginning to understand. Why don't you address the fact that hate for the non-muslims is part and parcel of your Koran and your prophets sunnah?

What discrimination have you faced in America? What right of yours has been denied to you? No american will stand for anyone's right being denied. The right to tell what I think of Islam is my right as it is the right of anyone else here. Do you think my right to write and show what the scholars of Islam have been saying and say should be taken away from me?

KoK1 says: "As for the rest of your diatribe, prophet Muhammad is the best example of a human being that ever lived and that I look forward to emulating (not a divine figure)."

Imam Muslim relates:
Book 026, Number 5389:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Do not greet the Jews and the Christians before they greet you and when you meet any one of them on the roads force him to go to the narrowest part of it.

You do not like to greet jews and christians before they greet you? Why? Do you force them to go to the narrowest part of the road?

Is this the dominant behavior in Islam you recommend that muslims in America should emulate?

KOK1 laments:
"We have a well-coordinated attack both in US/Europe and some other regions on muslims".
Playing the part of the victim simply because he had heard somebody complain about the practices of the group he belongs to. Trying to compare how he and his ilk are treated in the lands of the Kuffar with how his group treats the other in the lands where his group are a majority does not register with him and his group. This is because their ideology teaches them that they are God’s gift to humanity. What is worse they believe that myth. People who feel superior do have some sort of evidence to back their claim. KOK1 and his like have no such evidence. On the contrary his coreligionists are at the bottom of the totem pole of humanity by any standard. They destroy whatever they lay their hands on. This is not merely my personal observation but was recorded by one of their most venerated 14 the Century historian called Ibn Khuldoun in his book called Muqaddamah.

A Kafir wrote:
"Mind boggling!! How many muslims have been burnt, killed, or beheaded in Europe or USA?"

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Being killed is the easy part. Living with discrimination and harassment as is common in Israel, and now becoming common in Europe and USA for muslims, is more difficult. For Kafirs, however, these regions are like paradise and they are the first to incite hatred toward the muslims.

As for the rest of your diatribe, prophet Muhammad is the best example of a human being that ever lived and that I look forward to emulating (not a divine figure).

Kok1 posts: "Dear Mr. Ellison,
When a group of hooligans are over you with sticks and knives, and their eyes glazed with hunter's zeal, is it appropriate to ask: "Sir, what is the justification for your attack?" We have a well-coordinated attack both in US/Europe and some other regions on muslims, that is being waged by the media and supported by fascist elements of certain regions. What is your response to that? I look forward to reading your next article."

Mind boggling!! How many muslims have been burnt, killed, or beheaded in Europe or USA? It is muslims blowing up and killing muslims in Pakistan, Iran, Sudan, etc. I post and show christians being burnt and killed in Pakistan on a regular basis. None of that affects the American Muslim KoK1, but he is still wanting to play the victim ..."We have a well-coordinated attack both in US/Europe and some other regions on muslims".

KoK1, your prophet's sunnah instructs you to not greet the non-muslims or be friendly with them. If you do not want to answer why non-muslims in muslim countries are hated and discriminated against, can you at least tell us whether you agree with your prophet that muslims should show harshness towards the non-muslims and not greet them. If the kafir does greet, all he should get back in return is a "wa alekyum" (same to you). Do you agree with that example of your prophet?

Sarcasm, Secular, sarcasm.

;-)

Posted by: ZZim |
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Touche.

Yes sarcasm is one way to shut the obnoxious ones.

Dear Mr. Ellison,
When a group of hooligans are over you with sticks and knives, and their eyes glazed with hunter's zeal, is it appropriate to ask: "Sir, what is the justification for your attack?" We have a well-coordinated attack both in US/Europe and some other regions on muslims, that is being waged by the media and supported by fascist elements of certain regions. What is your response to that? I look forward to reading your next article.

Arathur pontificates thus:
“Yes, the Qur'an and other Islamic teachings imply Arabic is the language of God since that's the language the Qur'an was written in. All Muslims are encouraged to learn Arabic so that they can understand the Qur'an better, but it's not a requirement.”

Islam is a tool for the furthering of Arab imperialism. It started as a tool to dominate the Arab tribes and subjugate them to the Qureish tribe. The success in that endeavor encouraged the followers of Islam’s founder to colonize the neighboring countries. Those Arab tribes that have for a long time survived by raiding and pillaging each other have joined forces to raid and pillage their neighboring societies. Just like the Russians used the Communist ideology to dominate the so-called Soviet Republics, the Arabs used Islam to subjugate the so-called Muslim Ummah. And as usual the imperialist powers impose
their language and customs on the vanquished. Quran was written in Arabic because whoever wrote it was an Arab.

Ellison must be either very naive or very stupid; possible he is both.

Posted by: mhr614

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Ellison is neither naive nor stupid. He is a Muslim and he's fighting a holy war against you. So he can make whatever outrageous claims he wants and it's "holy".

I guess Theo Van Gogh was taking your advise. look what he got for your advise. I am glad Molly Norris was not looking for your approval. So anybody who wishes to protect oneself from the butchers of Islam is a racist fro not enabling them. Brilliant, just this insight, you must qualify you for the Nobel peace prize, instead of that Chinese troublemaker.
Posted by: Secular

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Sarcasm, Secular, sarcasm.

;-)

To "BRAHMAN:"

"So, Mr. congressman, we should fear islam because it is evil disguised as good, an arab supremacist, antichrist ideology disguised as religion and a Lie.
It is simply a shame for any non-arab to be a muslim because according to their own belief they will never get in islam's so called paradise unless they speak arabic because arabic is the supposed language there."

1) Just because the Bible implies that Muslims follow an antichrist ideology, that doesn't make it true. How can you even trust a book that teaches something as absurd as the trinity?????

2) Yes, the Qur'an and other Islamic teachings imply Arabic is the language of God since that's the language the Qur'an was written in. All Muslims are encouraged to learn Arabic so that they can understand the Qur'an better, but it's not a requirement.

3) You obviously don't know anything about Islam. If you did, you would know that Jesus is VERY highly revered, loved and respected; then how can Islam be an antichrist theology?

Should we fear Islam?
Islam is irrelevant to us. It has nothing to offer us except hate, violence and intolerance. We need those as much as we need a hole in our head. Their worst contribution to us is desensitizing us to a whole spectrum of evils. In our effort to anticipate their next move we are forced to learn about their distorted mode of thought and their world view and that is polluting our laws by putting riders to the principals that made us the envy of the rest of the world. This is an unforgivable crime that is even worse than the violence and hate that they seem to perpetrate as a response to direct commands of an alleged deity.

Yes, we should fear islam very much Ellison. Not only have muslims killed thousands of the secular people who have taken them in but they also blow up other muslims on an almost daily rate in muslim countries. Muslims are responsible for more terrorist incidents than everyone else combined. The muslim version of free speech is to riot and kill over publications that offend them. Muslim animals are just not fit for secular societies. Since muslims blow up other muslims on an almost daily rate in the muslim world, they don't seem fit for muslim societies either. As long as we keep these creatures out, their exploding muslims are muslim country problems, not ours. Islam is an evil cancer that must be removed from the west. We were much better off without them.

Ellison must be either very naive or very stupid; possible he is both. My family and I moved from our neighborhood when it became too dangerous to live there. The problem was black hoodlums- in time that area became South Central Los Angeles. Blacks put the torch to it in 1965 and again in 1992. Many New Yorkers were afrad of blacks in the decades before Giuliani put the broken windows theory into operation. Today every time I board an international flight I feel a concern that some muslim will attempt to blow the plane out of the air. What a foolish man this fellow is. Anyone who denies reality to this extent may need therapeutic help.

Read Mono1 and YasserYousufi and then look at a sample of the recent news from only one muslim country, Pakistan, and decide what is really happening in the world. Do a little digging and see for yourself what Islam means for a Kafir in any muslim country. Pakistan is not an exception unfortunately but the norm.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/03/world/asia/03pstan.html
Hate Engulfs Christians in Pakistan
GOJRA, Pakistan — The blistered black walls of the Hameed family’s bedroom tell of an unspeakable crime. Seven family members died here on Saturday, six of them burned to death by a mob that had broken into their house and shot the grandfather dead, just because they were Christian.

http://www.pakistanchristianpost.com/viewnews.php?newsid=1665
Peshawar: October 3, 2010. (PCP) On pleading case of one poor Christian in remote city of Haripur in Pakhtunkhwa province of Pakistan, extremist Muslims shot dead Christian lawyer and his family on September 28, 2010.
The Islamists have threatened Edwin Paul, an attorney and evangelist to leave the city within 24 hours unless to face consequences on taking case of loan to administration of Mehboob Masih who was under pressure from Muslim money lender to pay amount with compound interest.

The Islamists broke in home of Edwin Paul on night of September 27, 2010, and shot him dead , his wife Ruby Paul and five children in execution style.

http://www.compassdirect.org/english/country/pakistan/26071/
Muslim Mob Attacks Christians in Gujrat, Pakistan
Dozens beaten, shot at, left for dead since Sept. 8.
SARGODHA, Pakistan, September 27 (CDN) — A mob of Muslim extremists on Thursday (Sept. 23) shot at and beat dozens of Christians, including one cleared of “blasphemy” charges, in Punjab Province’s Gujrat district, Christian leaders said.

The attack on Tariq Gill, exonerated of charges of blaspheming the Quran on Sept. 3, 2009, and on his father Murad Gill, his mother and the other Christian residents was the latest of more than 10 such assaults on the Christian colony of Mohalla Kalupura, Gujrat city, since Sept. 8, the Rev. Suleman Nasri Khan and Bishop Shamas Pervaiz told Compass.

About 40 Islamists – some shooting Kalashnikovs and pistols at homes and individuals on the street, others brandishing axes and clubs – beat some of the Christians so badly that they left them for dead, Pastor Khan said. So far, 10 families have been targeted for the attacks.
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should we fear islam?

NO we should not,
1slam civilized medival Europe ,why not civilize medival america ,

america still stuck in between the 2 deep cave of original sin and original ape of darwin ?

one died on the cross for the sin of man kind and the other one died on the other side of the cross for the organic origin of mankind ,both proved no less delusional than the other.

what theology and ideology america would carry to the 21 century?

remember,
the chinese brothers bailed uncle Sam monetary

islam positively can bail the stuck theology and ideology in america.

1431 years and still bailing.

YasserYousufi:

This very paper was terrified to put up a cartoon "Where's Muhammad" which did not even have Muhammad in it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/08/AR2010100804947.html

Do you see what the violence by Muslims is doing to USA? This very paper, The Great Washington Post, laid down in fear of the violence it thought muslims will wreck. Do you grasp what the reputation of the Muslims is because of the actions of the Muslims? And you are trying to paint the muslims as victims of violence?
Americans would be stupid to opt for violence. That will be a lose lose proposition. The only way to tackle is to tackle the hate ideology against non-muslims and women in Islam, and that can only be done with a robust freedom to speak peacefully and freely.

Yasseryousufi:

You are trying to evoke guilt by playing the victim. The fact is that hate crimes against muslims are minuscule. CAIR has been asking people to send in all the reports of crimes against muslims they could. Muslims bandying about "Islamophobia" means little. Everyone recognizes that ploy for what it is. Since you cannot show actual crimes against muslims, you are not crying wolf that it will soon happen. Keep waiting. It will not happen. Americans are not going to do it. However, what we will do is expose Islam for what it is.

Why don't you tell the Americans how muslims in your country, Pakistan, behave towards non-muslims? Why don't you tell the Americans how non-muslims are treated around the world in Islamic countries? Why don't you tell the Americans about the laws against the non-muslims that are on the books of every muslim country in the world? Instead of waiting for crimes against muslims in USA, don't you think you could do more good about stopping the crimes and hate against the non-muslims that is taking place around the world in muslim countries?

Islamophobia in US is something for the American people to ponder over. What is the appropriate punishment that needs to be meted out 5 million american muslims for the crimes of a couple of dozen of their co-religionists. For now we're are seeing Mosque being denied to be built on whimsical grounds all over the US. Muslims and their religous places being subjected to hate crimes. Kieth Ellison himself was the victim of a vicious campaign by bigoted Republicans because he chose to take the oath on his holy book, the Quran. If anyone thought that Newt Gingrich's comparison of Muslims with Nazi's was just a slip of tongue, the cats out of the bag. Candidate after candidate belonging to to Tea Part movement are comparing Islam to Nazism and 9/11 to Holocaust in their election speeches. Apparently the Republican Party, literally one half of America's Political Spectrum considers whipping up a hate frenzy amongst disgruntled american populace, a legal winning strategy. One wonders how long would it take for a semi-literate, White Evangelical Texan, armed with plenty of ammunition to take the bait and take on the modern day "Nazi's", as his leaders and Fox News tell him, himself. Otherwise, what is the logical end of this hate frenzy? Is this what it will take for Americans to reconsider their bigoted stance? A terrorist plot against muslims? Where do America's Leaders and Media believe the buck stops?

One of the most absurd article I have read; imagine this, imagine that,a metaphorical non sense shows that congressman is clue less about islam and it's history like so many clueless muslims who are trying to explain islam these days.
The congressman, islam and all muslims are explained in the Bible(1John2:22):
Who is the Liar(if it is not the one that denies that Jesus is the Christ)? This is the Antichrist that denies the Father and the Son.
Muslims' allah,islam,mohammad,muslims and quran all deny and condemn the belief in the Father and the Son.
So, Mr. congressman, we should fear islam because it is evil disguised as good, an arab supremacist, antichrist ideology disguised as religion and a Lie.
It is simply a shame for any non-arab to be a muslim because according to their own belief they will never get in islam's so called paradise unless they speak arabic because arabic is the supposed language there.

After digesting the contents of this column awhile, I've clarified (in my own mind) my opinion a little. Most homicides stem from a few recognizable factors:

poverty and associated societal marginalization
extension of a domestic dispute
frustration over a major setback

African-Americans have a high homicide rate, and suffer the above causes at high rates. There may be parts of the Muslim community that do, too.

But it is primarily in Islam that we see violence that appears specifically motivated by belief in a philosophical system. Occasionally, the American white population has a Unabomber or Timothy McVeigh, or the black a John Allen Muhammed.

But it's primarily among Muslims that people like Faisal Shahzad, Nidal Hassan, and the five guys who tried to blow up JFK airport, that we see educated, seemingly normal middle-class individuals seeking out a philosophical justification to commit violence against the general public.

Islam may be a religion of peace; but I don't want them to make my home the House of War.

Clearthinking1,

Thanks, very nice of you to take the trouble to write all that.

Clearthinking1,

Thanks, very nice of you to take the trouble to write that.

Islam calls for the conversion,subjagation or murder of christians and jews. It calls for the conversion or murder of all others.

PICKTHAL: O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk.
SHAKIR: O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

This is the quran and is allyou need to know.

Keithgold,
Hindus, Buddhists, & Jains have lived together in peace for 2,500 years. The foundational principal is tolerance and pluralism. That is why there are so many paths, ways, gods, philosophies that point to the same one Truth. (This is also why "Westerners" have a hard time understanding the underlying monistic monotheism of Hinduism - Unity in Diversity). The oldest spiritual text in the world, the Hindu Rig Veda, state "Truth is One; the Sages call it by many names.

Specifically in Sri Lanka, this was an ethnic conflict between the Sinhalese and the Tamil. The leader of the Tamil Tigers Prabhakaran was a Christian as were many of the other leaders. India supported the government which was run by Sinhalese. The President of Sri Lanka Rajapakse is married to a Christian. So this was not at all a simple conflict between religions. Writers like Robert Kaplan of the Atlantic Monthly have incorrectly presented this as a simple religious conflict, but he is wrong on this one.

LilanB,

If your point is that some belief systems lend themselves to violence more than others, including Islam, and that there is currently a problem with Islamic extremism, then I agree with you. I am no fan of Islam.

clearthinking1,

Haven't there been conflict between Hindus and Buddhists, and isn't that the reason that Buddhists have fled to Sri Lanka? Not sure about this, but that is my memory.

I think the theme of Eliza Griswold's book was in its subtitle, where she coined her books as "Dispatches" from the fault line between Christianity and Islam. It is just dispatches. But I agree with you to a large extent.

Keithgold,

I've read Eliza Griswold's "Tenth Parallel".
It confirms the idea that Islam and Christianity are the only religions with 2 inherent flaws - a supremacist foundation claiming superiority over others and the urge to proselytize.

All conflicts in the world involve Muslims or Christians on one side or another. It's a sad fact. "There's no god but Allah" - really?

Griswold's book is a well written collection of anecdotes, but there is no coherent thesis. This is because Griswold is sincere but incapable of seeing or stating the obvious. It's not the tenth paralell or climate that's the issue. Hindu's and Buddhists have lived in peace on the tenth parallel for 2,500 years.

The 800 pound gorilla in the room is the inherent supremacist flaw in Islam and Christianity. Now you know. The rest is just talk by people in denial.

Be objective. Be introspective. Be honest. (unlike Congressman Ellison)

KeithGold,

Wherever there is religious violence you will almost always find muslims on one or both sides.Muslims also riot and commit terror attacks worldwide no matter what the political system. Be the government communist (China), democratic (US) or theocratic (Saudi Arabia).In contrast no one fears the Amish a religious group who have strange customs, dress in strange cloths and live in their own communities.That could be because the Amish are known for being peaceful, non-violent and hard working. The problem appears to be with islam and NOT with everyone else.

LilannB,

People of all religious backgrounds have been committing atrocities, Christian on Muslim, Muslim on Christian, Hindu on Muslim, Muslim on Hindu, et cet. In addition, the rioting about the cartoons was stirred up by politicians long after the cartoons were published, and after these political figures added two very offensive cartoons to the mix that the Dutch artist in question did not draw. Also, keep in mind that most Muslims didn't care about the cartoons.

I suggest that you read the book The Tenth Parallel by Eliza Griswold to gain a deeper understanding of the current struggle between Christianity and Islam.

I wanted to toss a word of appreciation into the predictable mix of rhetoric this article is getting. I don't often get to see political figures making calm, reasoned statements (such things generally get very little coverage) and it's refreshing. I don't know when it happened, exactly, but somehow the news media has come to model itself after the entertainment industry; now it gears its stories to the tastes of easily-sold target demographics, which generally means those who crave stimulation and avoid analysis. Good to see it's not that way everywhere.

Keep up the good work!

Islam is the only religion I'm aware of where some followers have rioted worldwide over cartoons.While other followers of the religion have issued death threats to cartoonists.Muslims have also rioted and killed over a rumored wet koran or a proposed koran burning.Several American doctors were murdered recently in Afghanistan because they were suspected of being Christian. In Nigeria Christians including children were slaughter by rioting muslims.A raid was conducted authorities in Saudia Arabia on a Christian prayer service, as the "suspects" were accused of trying to convert muslims. In China, UK, US, Russia,Nigeria, Spain,Israel, Pakistan, Bali, India and Iraq to name only a few examples there have been terror attacks by muslims on civilians. The problem appears to be with muslims and not with everyone else.

ShawnDavis1,

I am an atheist, but would not dream of banning religions. We don't want the state telling us what we can or cannot believe. Rather, we should build up the wall of separation between Church and State.

Keith Ellison

You wrote, "we seem simultaneously stuck with a national news media that is preoccupied with conflict and controversy when we desperately need one that weighs facts and reports fairly."

Have you ever thought that the "conflict and controversy" may just come from the "facts"?

Take care, be ready.

Sincerely, Thomas Paul Moses Baum.

Dodgy,

I am curious, how many Muslims do you know? Muslims are fine people, no different than any other human being. Of course the extremists should be feared, just like, for example, Franklin Graham or Avigdor Lieberman, the extremist foreign minister of Israel.

We should ban ALL religions and just be atheist. Religion is a relic from ancient history -- now we have science.

Wake-up America.YES and YES I fear Islam.I hope that America wake up in my life time and realize what is the truthbehind Islam which cast terror into the hearts of non-Muslems.Watch up the video(http://www.you tube.com/watch?v=nqP2bBF71)Muslems mobs in London U>K.Chasing the London Police.Do you want this happens in U.S.A.Soil.Muslems only haqve one goal in life,Live by their creed and convert the entire world to Islam . Almost all conflicts in this world have the Muslemsin one side of it

Here is my favorite sura from the Quran. I am not a Muslim but I am a devout believer in multiculturalism. Here God is saying that we should delight in and learn from each others' cultures, just as men and women are different and delight in learning about each other. I believe this is a verse we can all take to heart.

O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of God is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And God has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things).
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rnegrete, if you have to scour throught the rubbish that is Koran for that one precious gem, for that matter few such gems, did you really need that book. Don't you think you already learnt that wisdom, from the society at large? See for instance when I pick up a book on Chemistry by say Linus Pauling, I don't sift through it to see what is right and what is wrong. I cam reliably use the entire book to enhance my knowledge. Alas, that is not how scripture and by extension religion work. You have to pick and choose. The faculty to pick and choose comes from somewhere else. That is faculty is essential to be an responsible good citizen. These books only muddle you up. These must old vile tomes should be cast mercilessly on the dust heap of human history. We need them as much as, big hole in our head.

I don't think comparing Islam to Nazism is productive or fair. Islam originated from Judaism and Christianity. Indeed, much of Islam is simply copied from those faiths, including the claim to be the last and true word. All three of these faiths were some of mankind's first attempts to understand the world, although arguably they were also used by some very clever people to advance their political agendas. These attempts were all flawed, and were based on ignorance of many basic scientific facts that we take for granted.

Of course, most Nazis were Christians, and the Catholic Church was one of the Nazi regimes's supporters. Nazism, if anything, is a black mark on Christianity.

People have already commented on the flawed analogy. I think mr Allison's analogies would work better if he exchanged "blacks" with Nazi's.
Should Americans fear National Socialism? They go look for Nazi's and they get the one throwing Jews into gas chambers and not the one at home with his blond children on his knee just trying to make a living.They always go for the uniform and boots wearing extremists of the SS.As if all Nazi's are the same.They debate National Socialism and they show clips of the invasion of Poland. How can this be acceptable?

Thank you for your column. I too have decried to many of my friends the wholesale demonization of Muslims because of the extremists among them.

However, it bears noting that your analogies are flawed. Skin color is an immutable characteristic that states nothing about the content of one's character. Religions, however, are belief systems. As such, like any belief system, they are open to criticism, as are the people that believe in their tenets. Islam, like Judaism and Christianity, are not only utterly false creeds, but they contain many dangerous ideas, including in their so-called holy books. Therefore, it is not bigotry or racism to be concerned about anyone that would take seriously these religions, which, in truth, are nothing more than children's stories.

For example, if you are a Muslim, do you seriously believe that the supposed archangel Gabriel dictated the inerrant word of god to an illiterate Arab in the Arabian Peninsula, or that Mohammed flew to heaven from the Dome of the Rock on a winged horse? Or, if Christian, do you believe that Mary was the product of an immaculate conception and, therefore, went to heaven without dying because she was without sin (the Assumption); that Jesus was born of a virgin birth, that he was sent by the Father to die for your sins (and strangely attracted little attention during his time on earth); and that if you don't believe in Jesus (even though there is no compelling evidence to do so) that you will burn in heaven forever? If Jewish, do you really believe that it warrants worshipping a god after what this ostensibly supreme being purportedly did to the Egyptians in the horribly cruel Passover haggadah, or after the genocides carried out at god's instruction?

If you take these fables seriously, don't be surprised if your beliefs are criticized, disrespected, and often feared.

Mr. Ellison,

You looked pretty scared of the Muslims (claiming to be Hamas) in your own state when they forced you from the steps of your own capitol in this video:

http://t.co/4f8Rstb

Mr. Ellison,

So far only a single muslim tried to refute that Islam hates the non-muslims with lies and those lies could be easily exposed.

Muslims can say whatever they wish about Islam, and it does not matter for those are just words. It is the actions that count. And the actions of Muslims towards non-muslims over the last 1440 years are damning. The question still stands to you: Why do the Muslims hate the non-muslims so much that they have institutionalized that hate in their laws? And what are you doing about it? Anything?

rnegrete Posted on October 8, 2010 2:20 PM

Here is my favorite sura from the Quran. I am not a Muslim but I am a devout believer in multiculturalism. Here God is saying that we should delight in and learn from each others' cultures, just as men and women are different and delight in learning about each other. I believe this is a verse we can all take to heart.

O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of God is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And God has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things).
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Koran 49:13 is one of the verses that demonstrates that the Koran cannot be the word of an All Knowing God. Science now knows that humans did not come from a single (pair) of a male and a female. Humans would have become extinct had they dwindled down to a single pair. As for the message of "multicultralism" in it, I suggest you read the verses following it for Allah to complete his thought, and you may find that the multicultralism dissolves into who a "believer" is and whether Muhammad owes anything to the believer, and as usual the non-believers, the nasty evil Kafir will burn and be tortured as usual.

Kmd1 on October 8, 2010 2:26 PM Posts : "FIRST THERE ARE NO SIGNS TELLING NON-MUSLIMS TO GET OUT THE FREE WAY

SECOND, NON-MUSLIMS ARE WELCOME TO MECCA,MECCA IS A CITY NOW IF THEY WANT TO GO INSIDE THE 'KAABA" THE BIG MOSUQ "AL MASJID AL HARAM" THEY HAVE TO ABIDE BY CERTAIN RULES FROM RESPECT PROSPECTIVE AS IF YOU ENTER A CHURCH OR A TEMPLE OF OTHER FAITHS

ISLAM DOES NOT CONSIDER NON-MUSLIMS "FILTHY" AS YOU SAID....SHOW ME WHERE IN THE KORAN OR THE TEACHING OF THE PROPHET THAT SAYS WHAT YOU CLAIM? PURE LIE

BECAUSE IF ISLAM CONSIDER THEM SO, NON-MUSLIMS WOULD HAVE NOT LIVED ON MUSLIM LAND FOR CENTURIES AND STILL DO

AND FINALLY WORK ON YOUR ENGLISH AND LIES TOGETHER , THEY NEED TO BE REFINED"
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You are a bad liar because your lies can easily be exposed.

abrahamhab1 has already provided you with a link showing the freeway signs. That link is

http://forums.jetphotos.net/showthread.php?t=39885%20%E2%80%93

Anyone can download the current travel and culture brochure from the Saudi Embassy and see the bottom of page 9 of thet brochure. It says "Both Makkah and Madinah are open only to Muslim visitors." The link is http://www.saudiembassy.net/files/PDF/Brochures/DFS_culture.pdf

Quran Sura 9 ayet 28 says the "mushrikun" [that is those who associate another with Allah and this include the christians because of their belief in Trinity (or Jesus as the son of God), the jews who the Quran says accept Ezra as the son of God, the hindus, the buddhists, the zorastrians, and the pagans] are najasun. Here is a muslim site that tells you what things are najis ( http://www.al-islam.org/laws/najisthings.html)
84. * The following ten things are essentially najis:

* Urine
* Faeces
* Semen
* Dead body
* Blood
* Dog
* Pig
* Kafir
* Alcoholic liquors
* The sweat of an animal who persistently eats najasat.

Ellison is only a propagandist for Islam and the Muslim Brotherhood. His equation of prejudice against blacks to prejudice against Islam is a deliberate fraud. Blacks are a race. Moslems are adherents of a belief system. Since when is it wrong to fear or reject someone because of their values and beliefs? The standard doctrines of Islam require war against non-Moslems. They require subjugation of non-Moslems to Moslems and of women to men.
Here is a sampling of the doctrines of Islam which motivate the hearts and minds of all religious Moslems:
FROM THE KORAN:

" The unbelievers among the people of the book and the pagans shall burn forever in the fire of Hell. They are the vilest of all creatures. (98.6).
"Surely the vilest of animals in Allah’s sight are those who disbelieve. (8.55)
"The unbelievers are your inveterate enemy. (4:101)
"Mohammad is God's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another. (48:29).
"It is unlawful for a believer to kill another believer, accidents excepted. (4:92)
"Believers, take neither the Jews nor the Christians for your friends. (5:51)
"Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and God's religion shall reign supreme. (8:40)
"Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme. (2:193)
"The true believers fight for the cause of God, but the infidels fight for the devil. (4:76)
"We will put terror into the hearts of the unbelievers. (3:151)
"I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads, strike off the very tips of their fingers. (8:12)
FROM THE SAYINGS OF MUHAMMAD:
"Muhammad said to the Jews: "If you embrace Islam, you will be safe. You should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I want to expel you from this land. “
"Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "
"Mohammad said, "I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, "None has the right to be worshiped but Allah, and whoever says, " None has the right to be worshiped but Allah , his life and property will be saved by me."
"Muhammad said: "Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war, …"

In addition, the most popular manual of Islamic sacred law, approved by the highest Islamic religious authorities of Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia and Egypt, says: "Jihad means to make war on non-Muslims." What could be clearer than that?

And, how about this:
Ayatollah Khomeini, the most important Moslem leader of the 20th Century, said: "Those who know

KMD says
“First there are no signs telling non-Muslims to get out the freeway”
Check out this link
forums.jetphotos.net/showthread.php?t=39885 –
Then
Lax 80684 defines Quran as follows:
“In the world of philosophy, politics aside, Islam is regarded among the most impressive, consistent, beautiful ethical systems, and the Qur'an is held as a work of astounding logical, scientific and linguistic merit, and perhaps the best evidence for the existence of God.”
My definition is as follows:

“A book with no chronology of events or a sustained theme other than a supremacist diatribe, exaltation of Islam’s founder and incitement against the other. It is riddled with inconsistencies and outright contradictions. It lists legends from Arab and Persian pagans as the literal words of the Creator along with embellished stories from the Old and New Testaments. It is full of scientific heresies, geographical myths, historical blunders, mathematical mistakes, grammatical errors and logical fallacies. The book talks of flying horses, speaking ants and arguing birds. It describes an afterlife gardens with rivers of wine and honey and brimming with young black eyed receptive beauties placed there simply to service the male followers of Mohammed in an everlasting celestial orgy.”

S D Rodrian, we are not debating the effects of Islam. The question is, should we as Americans fear Islam?

The answer is No. As Americans we should not. We can absorb and assimilate Muslims just as we absorbed 9.11. We are a decent country and our laws prevent the kind of takeover you fearmongers bleat about.

Fred Phelps and his ilk are not able to take over my country. We will not be under Sharia law either. We don't have to fear Islam, we simply stick to being Americans. We vote responsibly. We take part in government. We get educated.

Or you can sit on the couch and whine and beg the government to protect you.

arancia12,

If your point is that moderate Muslims are about where the fringe fundamentalist Christians are, then we actually agree.

POSTED BY: JOHNNYBOSTON
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No, that's not my point. My point is there are radical Muslims and radical Christians. We don't judge Christianity by Fred Phelps who would probably bomb a few people he hates if he thought he could get away with it too. We don't judge Islam by the actions of the 9.11 terrorists.

There is probably little agree on.

You've heard it before...

The typical quote, "American Muslims are citizens
like anyone else. They are free to practice their
faith," implies that the expression of that faith is
the usual religious practices of prayer & charitable
works. If this were the case there would never be
a single peep against Islam or Muslims. But the
sad truth is that the practice of Islam has cost the
lives of HUNDREDS of MILLIONS of innocent lives
across the centuries, and continues to cost the
lives of countless innocents everywhere there are
Muslims on this earth today. This is something
which is as impossible to deny as the need for every
breath you take. And no matter the propaganda of
the ignorant or the criminally-inclined.

The proper question to ask is whether Muslims
have a right to continue their slaughter of the
innocents simply because it's part of their
religious practice: Is murder protected when it
is part of someone's religious duty? For THAT
is precisely what is meant when one insists that
Muslims must be allowed to practice their faith.

VISIT: http://islamisbad.com

Everywhere Islam rules there is devastation--yes,
economic devastation is tempered where there is
petroleum or Islam is under the control of secular
military dictatorships, but political devastation is
everywhere without exception the norm in the
lands where Muslims control the political process.
Yet individual Muslims who seek escape from this
devastation by fleeing countries in the grip of
Islam, ironically (because their minds continue to
be imprisoned by Islam even when they emancipate
their bodies)... still carry with them an irrational
longing to impose this same devastating Islam
upon the new lands to which they have fled! As if
they knew not what it is they had been fleeing all
along. Or it was their insane intention to create
anew in their new countries the devastation they
had so recently fled...

This is the real debate that is lacking in this and
every other non-Islamic country to which Muslims
are fleeing the devastation wrought by Islam.

S D Rodrian
http://sdrodrian.com

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@asizk

you realize that Europeans used that exact same argument, and some Westerners still do, to rationalize hostilities towards Islamic countries.

You also surely realize that India as a culture is about 10,000 years older than Islam.

How people chose to worship is up to them. Don't rationalize conquest by claiming the conquerer brought a superior culture. The Moguls brought a lot of beauty to India and helped add to it's rich cultural heritage. That is true. But India is an amazing culture of and by itself.

Johnnyboston = foolish child.

When Islam reached India it offered the population peaecfully two choices:

Accept Islam and worship the one and only God Or continue to worship snakes and cows.

Some chose Islam and became Muslims;

the rest chose to maintain their heathenism and continue to this day worship snakes and cows. Is this the civilization Muslims destroyed? U had no civilization and Islam transformed india from darkness to light.

Posted by: asizk |
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"Through Hinduism, I feel a better person.
I just get happier and happier.
I now feel that I am unlimited, and I am more in control…"
~ George Harrison (1943-2001)

johnnyboston,(Is this really your name?)

When Islam reached India it offered the population peaecfully two choices:

Accept Islam and worship the one and only God Or continue to worship snakes and cows.

Some chose Islam and became Muslims;

the rest chose to maintain their heathenism and continue to this day worship snakes and cows. Is this the civilization Muslims destroyed? U had no civilization and Islam transformed india from darkness to light.

Just Look at Taj Mahal to see what the Muslim genius did in india.

Hindus are extremly violent:they murdered Andiar Ghandi and her son Rajeev by sucide bombers.

Like Palestine, Kashmir is occupied by india and like jews who occupy all of Arab histoirc Palestine, indians refuse to grant Kashmiris the right to self-determination since 1947.

arancia12,

If your point is that moderate Muslims are about where the fringe fundamentalist Christians are, then we actually agree.

Why don't all of you ignorant anti Muslim bigots join the military and go fight Muslims? Maybe because the military is currently sacrificing to HELP Muslims? Or is it the natural chickenhawk in all you keeping you home? Buk buk bukbuk buuuuuuk!

To comments posted by POSTED BY: JOHNNYBOSTON

"God hates Fags."
Fred Phelps, Westboro Baptist Church.

"I want you to just let a wave of intolerance wash over you. I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good... Our goal is a Christian nation. We have a biblical duty, we are called on by God to conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want pluralism."
--Randall Terry, The News Sentinel, (Ft. Wayne, IN.), 8/16/93

"We are to make Bible-obeying disciples of anybody that gets in our way."
--Jay Grimstead, February 1987

"When the Christian majority takes over this country, there will be no satanic churches, no more free distribution of pornography, no more talk of rights for homosexuals. After the Christian majority takes control, pluralism will be seen as immoral and evil and the state will not permit anybody the right to practice evil."
--Gary Potter, president of Catholics for Christian Political Action

"If you're not a born-again Christian, you're a failure as a human being."
--Jerry Falwell

"I don't know that atheists should be considered citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God."
--President George Bush, August 27, 1988

"A religion that doesn't discriminate wouldn't exist, because it wouldn't stand for anything."
--Janet Parshall, Family Research Council's "Washington Watch Radio Commentary," Sept. 1, 2000 - Comments about a church firing a lesbian worker

"This is our land. This is our world. This is our heritage, and with God's help, we shall reclaim this nation for Jesus Christ. And no power on earth can stop us."
--D. James Kennedy, Character and Destiny: A Nation in Search of Its Soul, 1994 (p. 85)

"AIDS is the wrath of a just God against homosexuals. To oppose it would be like an Israelite jumping in the Red Sea to save one of Pharaoh's charioteers."
--Jerry Falwell

"The god of Judaism is the devil. The Jew will not be recognized by God as one of His chosen people until he abandons his demonic religion and returns to the faith of his fathers--the faith which embraces Jesus Christ and His Gospel. "
--David Chilton, The Days of Vengeance: An Exposition of the Book of Revelation (Ft. Worth, TX: Dominion Press, 1984), p. 127

"We are talking about Christianizing America. We are talking about the Gospel in a political context."
--Paul Weyrich, founder and president of the Free Congress Foundation

"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war." Ann Coulter

"Those who refuse to submit publicly to the eternal sanctions of God by submitting to His Church's public marks of the covenant–baptism and holy communion–must be denied citizenship" Gary North, Institute for Christian Economics

Why does it seem most posters fall into two camps. The first, that only sees the violence of Islam, the second which ignores or rationalizes away the rather extensive violence in Islam.

There is plenty of evidence that a proportionately small number of Muslims are violent. But even if it's only 10%, that's still a lot of violent nutjobs.

When's the last time you saw Christians leaving a church service to go randomly kill Muslims or Jews? It happens almost every week in the Middle East with Muslims rampaging.

There is an offensive art exhibit in Europe blasting Christians. Do we riot, murder, burn towns? No. Need we discuss certain Danish cartoons again?

We could ask Jews and Christians in Iraq or Gaza what it's like living as a minority in an Islamic country. If you could find one alive, I suspect they would have a very different story to tell than Muslims in America or Europe have to tell. Islam has to face it's prodigal brothers.

I know lots of Muslims and most are no different than anyone else. We cannot make policy based solely on the evil 10% Likewise, we are fools if we ignore that 10% in the name of "tolerance".

The answer isn't to ostracize Islam. Nor is the answer to ignore that Islam is in crisis right now.

Jews and Christians don't fall under the category of infidels:They are held in high esteem by the Quran as "The People of the Book," that is the followers of divine scripture-the Bible-and prophets Moses and Jesus who are treated on equal footing with the Prophet Muhammad.

Posted by: asizk

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Then please explain the following verse:

Sura (5: 51) – "O you who believe! Do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whosoever among you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."

What I find amongst the Muslim apologists here is that they really don;t know what they are talking about. Whether the words from Allah or not- the main point is that the Doctrine of The Abrogated and The Abrogator dispells and debunks all apologies for the Muslims-

B/c this doctrine demands that if there is a contradiction in passages, the latter passage is to be honored, and it NULLIFIES ALL PRIOR PASSAGES!! That INCLUDES the few passages that has peaceful intentions. meh

And after Muhammad felt that the Jews betrayed him in Medina, his countenance changed towards the People of the Book, and his last commandments were to kill infidels, and spread Islam throughout the land with bloodlust.

So you need to stop lying and decieving ppl. A true Muslim embraces Muhammad's words, and must LITERALLY follow the LAST COMMANDMENTS. There are NO MODERATE MUSLIMS!!!

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Should we fear Islam? Absolutely
Ever since the advent of Islam, it has brought terror where ever it went. It has been spread by the sword. Now suddenly the west feeling the heat. They do not even tolerate moderate muslims. Ask Shias or Ahmadiyas. They are killed every day in Pakistan.

POSTED BY: AMSOOD1

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So your point is that some Muslims can be dangerous. There are more than a few thousand native Americans who might say the same about Christians.

Being knowledgeable about the pitfalls is different than being afraid. I respect rattlesnakes. I don't fear them. Fear gets you killed.

RJPAL wrote:" The Quran..,DOES talk about killing infidels. And these are the words of Muhammad himself.Jesus never talked in these terms"

U are totally misguided: the Quran is not Muhammad's words-it is God's words revealed to him over 23 yeras from 610-623 AD.Muhammad's words and deeds are called Sunnah.

I don't know from which "Quran" did u quote: "Kill the inifdels." Read an authorized translation with the accompanying commentary-for example Muhammad Asad's brilliant transaltion :"The Message of the Quran;" he is the former Leopold Weiss a Jewish convert to Islam and both a scholar of the Bible, the Quran and Arabic.

"Killing the infidels" is widely misquoted mostly intentionally by extremist right wing xtians to demonise and distort Islam and Muslims:the original verse referes to the heathen Arabs of Mecca who were persecuting the Prophet and his companions for declaring their belief in the One and only God, the God Abraham,Moses, Jesus and Muhammad-instead of their idols. Those heathen Arabs used military force and tried to murder the Prophet in his sleep-so the Quran after 13 years of persecution in Mecca ordered him and his companions to migrate to Medina to establish freedom of conscious.

The Quran commanded those exiled Muslims in Medina to defend themselves as in Quran:
-AL Hajj, 22:39, “To those against whom War is made, permission is given (to fight), because they are wronged-and verily Allah is Most Powerful for their aid.”

-Al Baqarh, 2:190-191: "Fight in the cause of Allah (to establish freedom of conscious)those who fight you but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors. (190) And slay them wherever ye catch them (the transgressors), and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith." (191)

-Al Nisa, 4:75: "and why should ye (Muslims)not fight in the cause of Allah and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)-men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from Thee one who will protect; and raise for us from Thee one who will help!"

-Al Anfal, 8: 61:”But if the enemy Incline towards peace, Do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in Allah: for He is the One That heareth and knoweth All things.”

Jews and Christians don't fall under the category of infidels:They are held in high esteem by the Quran as "The People of the Book," that is the followers of divine scripture-the Bible-and prophets Moses and Jesus who are treated on equal footing with the Prophet Muhammad.

Jesus taught love and peace but his "followers"did not:the crusaders wars on the Muslim east,Inquisition,holocaust,war on iraq, genocide of Bosinan Muslims,forced mass conversion of south america etc.

Wow. More virulent anti-Muslim bigotry in the comments section. No surprise here.

It's important to look and learn from muslim immigration in Europe. It isn't going well and once the muslim population gets big they begin to get pushy and aggressive, like in this video where mobs of muslims are chasing the London police down the street. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nqxP2bpF7I

The problem isn't with Islam isn't the Quran per se. You can find passages similar to those quoted in this discussion from the Quran in the Old Testament. In Mediaval times, those passages were used to justify the Crusades. The Reformation ended that practice.

The problem lies with the "modern" interpretation the Quran by fundamentalists, who indoctrinate the young people with their warped views. They justify Jihad (the Muslim equivalent to the Crusades) by interpreting those passages out of context.

The second problem with Islam is that those in the religion who don't agree with the radicals are either too timid, or too afraid of the radicals to make their views known. Islam has never had it's Reformation, and needs one.

By their on words from some of their most admired Imams the goal is to work from within as long as they are a minority of their populace...

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Cite these 'words.'

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"We must implement Islam as a totality, in which Allah controls every place, the home, the classroom, the science lab, the halls of Congress."
Amir Abdul Malik Ali, Oakland, CA Imam

"In time, this so-called democracy will crumble, and there will be nothing. and the only thing left will be Islam."
Siraj Wahhaj, Brooklyn, NY Imam

"The first principle is that terrorism, and terrorism alone, is the path to liberation. The second principle is that "settlement is decided by the sword."
Fawaz Damra, former Cleveland, OH area Imam

"If you don't give us justice. If you don't give us equality. If you don't give us our share of America. If you don't stay out of our way and leave us alone, we're gonna burn America down."
Abdul Alim Musa, Washington, D.C. Imam

"You have learned the way, that you have known that the jihad way is the way to liberate your land."
Dr. Esam Omeish, Muslim American Society, speaking to a group of Muslims at a rally in Washington, D.C.

"Muslims cannot accept the legitimacy of the existing American order, since it is against the orders and ordainments of Allah."
Imam Zaid Shakir, former Muslim Chaplain at Yale University

"I swear by Allah that war is deception... We are fighting our enemy with a kind heart... Deceive, camouflage, pretend you are leaving while you're walking that way. Deceive your enemy."
Shukri Abu Baker, Holy Land Foundation

"The real weapons of mass destruction are the desire for martyrdom. Millions of you are ready to be shaheed. Half a million martyrdom shaheed is enough for Muslims to control the whole of earth forever. In the end of the day, Islam must control earth, whether we like it or not."
Abu Hamza al-Masri, Islamic Cleric, Britain

"We don't make a distinction between civilians and non-civilians…Only between Muslims and unbelievers. And the life of an unbeliever has no value."
Sheikh Omar Bakri, Britain

"I am telling you that my religion doesn't tolerate other religion. It doesn't tolerate. The only one law which needs to spread, it can be here or anywhere else, has to be Islam"
Abu Bakr, Islamic Cleric, Australia

31 of 41 current Wars Involve Islam.

Just in last 24 hours, Muslims have massacred civilians inside mosques in Afghanistan and Pakistan. There are daily Islamic terror attacks and plots. No other religion even comes close. So why should we not be afraid or Muslims and Islam?

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And in the last week American servicemen were arrested for randomly murdering Afghan civilians. They kept fingers and skulls and bragged about being able to kill any time they wished.

Want to go atrocity against atrocity?

Should we fear Islam? Absolutely
Ever since the advent of Islam, it has brought terror where ever it went. It has been spread by the sword. Now suddenly the west feeling the heat. They do not even tolerate moderate muslims. Ask Shias or Ahmadiyas. They are killed every day in Pakistan.

Should we fear Islam? Absolutely
Ever since the advent of Islam, it has brought terror where ever it went. It has been spread by the sword. Now suddenly the west feeling the heat. They do not even tolerate moderate muslims. Ask Shias or Ahmadiyas. They are killed every day in Pakistan.

Congressman Ellison, I think you might not have viewed the ABC "This Week" program with an open mind. The moderator Christiane Amanpour was blatantly biased and went on the attack against anyone who made any statement that hinted that Islam and Muslims might not be completely peaceful and innocent in all instances. There have been over 16,000 Muslim terrorist attacks since 9.11.2001. And Muslim clerics and political leaders worldwide make speech after speech threatening Americans and the West with death.

This ABC program really just was a whitewash of Islam and an attempt to sell Americans on the idea that Sharia Law and Islam are wonderful peaceful belief systems that should be promoted unimpeded in the US. And now you are complaining that it was too negative towards Islam because some of its thesis was questioned?

Sir, you have completely discredited yourself, particularly when you drag up racism and civil rights in an attempt to demonize anyone who has misgivings about Islamism and Jihadism and Sharia Law etc.

What is responsible for the rise of "Islamophobia" (a bad name, but I will use it for convenience)? It is simple. The more Americans know about Islam and Muslims, the less appealing they appear. That is all. Deal with it.

By their on words from some of their most admired Imams the goal is to work from within as long as they are a minority of their populace...

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Cite these 'words.' Cite your sources. Or did you hear this second hand from Michelle Malkin or Faux News?

By their on words from some of their most admired Imams the goal is to work from within as long as they are a minority of their populace...

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Cite these 'words.' Cite your sources. Or did you hear this second hand from Michelle Malkin or Faux News?

Anyone who believes in a mythical god, who instructs you through ancient text that the god inspired a man to write, is nuts. How do you believe such fairy tale nonsense and expect a thinking human being to take you seriously??

The Islam haters here are a joke. Yadda yadda yadda Sharia law by butt!

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"Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth..."
Omar Ahmad, CAIR

"I wouldn't want to create the impression that I wouldn't like the government of the United States to be Islamic sometime in the future..."
Ibrahim Hooper, CAIR

"Ultimately, we [Muslims] can never be full citizens of this country...because there is no way we can be fully committed to the institutions and ideologies of this country"
Ihsan Bagby, CAIR

And yet our elected officials quote these people as the face of moderate Islam. They don't sound moderate to me.

The Islam haters here are a joke. Yadda yadda yadda Sharia law by butt!

Every people bring their own obnoxious religion to the place they live, every single one. When Catholics had their way in Maryland, back when it was a colony, you could be executed for disparaging the Holy Trinity. The original colonies were a hotbed of sicko religions and the incredible laws and punishments that go with them, every bit as bad as Sharia law.

What tempers religion from fouling our country is SECULAR HUMANISM, not some other religion.

The Islam haters need to wake the heck up and broaden their game to include hating Christianity and Judaism too. Monotheism is the evil, not just one flavor of it.

"I believe it's misinformation. I came from a country where there is a billion people living side by side with 150 million muslims in peace and prosperity."

A Hindu's point of view by Raj Kumar Bhardwaj

“When Islam arrived in India, the Hindus welcomed the Muslims with open arms as brothers. In return Islam destroyed the entire Hindu civilization."

Over ten centuries the dirty Muslim rogues murdered an estimated 100 million people. It has been said by historians and scholars (both eastern and western) that this is the largest genocide the world has ever witnessed. Muslim religious leaders “educated” Muslim men to rape Hindu women as this was a method to destroy the Hindu progency. Soon raping Hindu women was part of what being a Muslim man was about! Temples were razed to the ground and villages were burned. Those who refused to convert to islam were either murdered (the menfolk) or raped (the womenfolk). All the Mughal leaders made it their goal to wipe Hinduism from the map of the earth! They even openly stated it.

And you talk crap about Palestine and Kashmir. Indians are doing nothing wrong in
Kashmir. Kashmir is, was and always will be part of India. Do you even know what
the history is behind Kashmir? When India and Pakistan were becoming
independent, the leaders of all the states that border what was to become India and
Pakistan were offered a choice of whether to become part of Pakistan or part of
India. Kashmir had a Muslim population but a Hindu prince, and he wanted to be
part of India. It was your beloved Muslim country Pakistan that actually started this
whole dispute by attacking India.

At first the Kashmiri Muslims had no problem with becoming part of India. So please
check your sources out! And you are quick to say that Kashmiris are oppressed and
that they are being killed, but how conveniently do you leave out all the Hindus that
were slaughtered in Kashmir in order to tilt the demographic favour towards the
Muslims. There are hardly any Hindus now in Kashmir because they have all been
killed by your Islamics. It is ok for Kasmiri Muslims to muder and wound hundreds
of innocent Hindus every year in terrorist attacks but the moment that the Indian
army tries to defend its citizens and crack down on the terrorists we are accused of
“oppression” and human rights violations.

It makes me sick when I hear you people justifying terrorism by saying that you are
oppressed. Look at South Americans, Look at Africans look at East Europeans.
These people have faced much more hardship than you people have yet I do not see
them producing terrorist organizations. And anyway, for the all the “Muslim
brotherhood” rhetoric and nonsense that I constantly hear about, why aren’t all the
rich, oil owning fat Arabic sheikhs helping their impoverished Muslims out? Clearly
they have MUCH MUCH MUCH more than enough capital to ensure decent living
standards in Palestine. The problem isn’t oppression. The problem is ISLAM.

To hell with Islam!”

Raj

As a veteran with 30 years of service to the United States I am ashamed beyond measure of those who fear Islam, fear Muslims, or fear to die for their country. To Askgees who wished violence on another, I spit on you.

All terrorists are not Muslims and all Muslims are not terrorist.

The founders who pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor would be disgusted by those who fear anyone. It has never be a safe world and it's still not a safe world but Americans have more to fear from obesity and heart attacks than they have to fear from Muslims or Islam.

You fear shows your lack of faith in God and in the rightness of your values. "My strength is as the strength of ten because my heart is pure." Alfred Tennyson.

Perhaps you Americans need to grow a pair and live your values instead of cowering like chickens and spreading hate. You're worse than the terrorists.

Hipshot's rule #5 for living:

Don't confuse fear with common sense.

I don't fear Muslims but I think we need to figure out what they are up to before inviting more into America. The problem is, in this PC/diversity environment, we can't believe what we are told by academics, politicians, clergy or pundits. I then fall back on the safest view, which is the conservative one.

SHEWHOLIVES - You say, "Islam is not just a religion, it is political ideology, with goals of dominance and the spread of Sharia law."

What you don't say is that this is also true of Catholicism, Judaism and most other systems of religions. That's what religions are: methods of controlling people with myths. The use different terminologies but they all seek to dominate and expand, their following.

The Pope played nice with Hitler, as did many Catholic countries (Ireland and Portugal and Argentina,) in exchange for concessions like Catholic control of the schools in Germany. Jews act tribally, not caring enough about other people's ethics to enforce Judaism and instead accumulating power in their economies.

Religion is a pox on society, period. It's not one vs the other. It's all of them against humanist people who know better.

The problem I have with many of the comments here today is that most of you are thinking in present times. By their on words from some of their most admired Imams the goal is to work from within as long as they are a minority of their populace. But they are urged to forget about today and think in long terms. If you stop and look at what has happened in places like France, Australia, Holland and many of the African continent nations, you will see that the local Muslim population begins its takeover in small ways. In Australia as well as France there are neighborhoods that are no longer patrolled by the city police force. Project that image on a city like Detroit in about twenty years and due to budget pressures the local police will let the Muslims takeover their areas and use sharia law in the process. This won't spread rapidly in the U.S. but it will with some of our allies. Yes we should fear Islam.

Just in last 24 hours, Muslims have massacred civilians inside mosques in Afghanistan and Pakistan. There are daily Islamic terror attacks and plots. No other religion even comes close. So why should we not be afraid or Muslims and Islam?

The Koran, as I read it, clearly tells followers to kill or convert non believers. Regularly in countries with large populations of the followers of Islam we see and hear mops screaming "Death to America" and burning US flags. In addition many Islamic scholars have issued "Fatwas" calling for the death of non believers and in particular death to Americans. We hear of Jihad from the supporters of Islam. Those who murdered innocents on Sept 11, 2001 were clearly followers of Islam. I am an agnostic and dislike all organized religion. In particular it is clear that Islam is an intolerant and violent religion which is split amongst many factions some of which are clearly intent on ruling the world. Was it wise or right for many Americans in 1942 to fear German, Italian or Japanese Americans and treat them as enemies of the state? The expression "All's Fair in Love and War" applies here. The American way of life is under attack by many followers of Islam. In this war Americans cannot tell who intends us harm and who doesn't. Accordingly, we should be suspicious of all Muslims. Muslims in the US should be required to register as foreign agents. Gatherings of Muslims in Mosques or in other meetings should be monitored. Muslims from other countries wanting to come to the US should be closely controlled. We shouldn't wait until our enemies attack us.

We should fear our ignorance and close mindedness.Lest we end up like the fanatics in other religions.

Islam is not just a religion, it is political ideology, with goals of dominance and the spread of Sharia law. In order to achieve these goals Islam as a political ideology will seek to destablize governments and force people to submit. This should not come as surprise to you Keith, we see it happening all over plus it is a stated goal of the Muslim Brotherhood, an organization from which you are aligned.

I like this post by: rnegrete | October 8, 2010 2:20 PM:

"Here is my favorite sura from the Quran. I am not a Muslim but I am a devout believer in multiculturalism. Here God is saying that we should delight in and learn from each others' cultures, just as men and women are different and delight in learning about each other. I believe this is a verse we can all take to heart.

O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of God is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And God has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things)."

Fear comes from misunderstanding or misinformation.

I believe it's misinformation. I came from a country where there is a billion people living side by side with 150 million muslims in peace and prosperity.

Past 10 years after I came to USA(Yes I stole your Job-That's another topic for another day), I have noticed a pattern of brain washing happening in America. It's mostly media lead and some old fashioned mouth to mouth propagation. Most media is based on ratings and sponsorships. Before asking why ABC is airing such a pathetic show you have to ask who's behind it? Which Mega company or political party paid for it, then you will really know the intentions.

The opinions of few are embedded in to these shows. Even the editorials and articles are geared towards slow brainwash. You take a news paper it says the same, take TV show bunch of idiots conveying the same message, goto facebook same, listen to radio same. 80% of americans who goes through this everyday, they have no chance or a gateway to go outside of this propaganda to at least try to understand the facts.

Housing bust wouldn't have been so big if it is not the same message being propagated everywhere. We can count on no.of editorials that warned the would be buyers of potential dangers, because real estate articles/editorials were also sponsored ads by either banks or real estate agents or Goldman-Sachs(Just Kidding- Looks like this is another name being banged apart from Muslim/Islam).

American youth wouldn't have been educated without Science and Math if it is not for NFL and NBA propaganda. Were they told howmany real sport stars there can be in real math?Sorry forgot they didn't teach them Math. TV stations air NFL and beer comercials because they get money, Youth needs to understand that when they yell 'Wazz..UP'.

I hope America wakes up in my life time to realize what's the truth behind Islam and why Billion+ people cherish it. I hate to see my new home country go down the drain along with it take hard earned reputation of so many baby boomers for this country.

Should we fear the child-molesting Catholics?
Should we fear the Bernie Madoff Jews?
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Sure, if they fly airliners into high rise building killing thousands. You are not worthy of the freedom you have as a matter of fact you should be executed SLOWLY and PAINFULLY……

Islam is only a religion of peace if you are a moslem. If you aren't, then Islam is, at best, a justification for your enslavement and, at worst, a death sentence. Anybody who thinks Islam is going to not demand Sharia the day they overpopulate any nation is kidding himself.

Im answer to:
How many different explanations are there for the command “Kill the infidels wherever you find them”. Besides these are the verses that their so-called religious leaders use to incite their congregations to wage jihad on the non-Muslims. Visit your neighborhood mosque and enjoy

The quotation you make refers to a specific instruction at a specific time for a specific battle that was crucial during the early expansionist years of Islam when Mohammed and his followers were threatened by many neighboring tribes.
Using this paragraph to suggest that this is a permanent command from Allah would be like refering to the genocides described in the Old Testament as a permanent command from God to the Israelites and their descendants....God commanded genocide to the Israelites for a specific time and place just as Allah commanded Mohammed.
You've got this wrong. But then so do many who are Islamic and who distort the Quran for their own purposes as you point out...

It would be far more relevant if Mr. Ellison had compared the treatment of Muslims in the US today, to the treatment of other religious groups in American history. Lincoln was rumoured to be a Catholic by his political oppponents because at that time Catholics were the Muslims of the country. Jews? Need we remind you of how Jews have been discriminated against and reviled through much of American History?
In stressful times, it is a tradition in the US that extremists join together to pick on some minority, often religious, and center their anger and frustrations on the minority.
Its tribalism. Its irrational. and its lead by ignorance (like quoting the Quran without context).
And its shameful.

Islam has been waging war against Christians, Hindus, Jews, and Buddhists now for 1400 years.

It still is today.

31 of 41 current Wars Involve Islam.

Well considering all terrorists are Muslim they are labeled quite correctly. If that's a problem then they'll need to revamp their image. It's not my problem it's theirs.

The question is simple: Should we fear Islam?

No, we should deride, mock and generally scorn islam for being the cult it is.

Fear? Not worthy of the effort.

lax80684, You claimed, "the verse in the Qur'an containing the phrase "slay the pagans" was directed specifically at Muhammad and his followers after a period of 13 years of persecution during which they were prohibited by their religion from defending themselves, to exemplify the Muslim virtue of forbearance. The verse was then sent as permission to that specific group to defend themselves against their oppressors. And if you read the surrounding verses, you will see clear limitations on that permission, directing them to deal kindly with anyone who was not oppressing them. Would anyone here honestly argue in moral terms against the right to self-defense?"

What persecution are you referring to? By Islamic tradition itself the persecution was very mild. Boycotts and hurling insults was the extent of the systematic persecutions. Meccans were entirely justified in this as he was threatening their livelihood by reducing the number of gods people came to pray and spend money in Mecca. There were a handful of loss of life and similar number of cases of bodily injury and torture, while they were in Mecca/ Once they migrated to Yathrib there was virtually no hindrance. All the skirmishes in and around Yathrib were entirely engineered by the Muslims themselves. Even one were to concede that Quraish systematically, he should have been done after the defeat of the Meccans. He did not stop there then he went on a rampage to convert all of Arabia. Then he went on gave a notice to King of Abyssinia to accept Islam or fight. What was that for? Context or not that book is a sham.

The you go on to say "The inference was made below that because the book is said to be eternal, every bit of it should apply to everyone who might ever live or have lived. This is a logically-flawed inference". Flesh out your assumptions. Nothing about having the intrinsic attribute of "eternalness" negates an entity's ability to direct statements at specific groups under temporal limitations. That different parts of the Qur'an are directed at different people has always been clear to Qur'anic scholars and Muslims in general". Eternal means timeless or for all time. Yes by definition excludes all things of temporary and transitive in nature. Even setting aside the quibbling about the word eternal. How do you square with the fact Islam then went on to conquer Egypt, Syria, Mesopotamia, Southern Europe, Persia, India. Are you suggesting that all these countries had conspired to crush the muslims and they had no choice but to conquer them? That book is like any sacred book is vile and filthy nonsense.

Hey Keith, How's that mosque doing in your district?

You know, the one that the FBI raids periodically because of homegrown terrorists coming from that mosque.

Yeah, that one.

With all due respect to Congressman Ellison, yes, we should fear Islam. Anyone with an open mind, from any religion, or no religion at all, should educate themselves, and then, fear Islam. There are those in the faith who say they are moderate; there is no such thing. If there were, we would see vocal members of a new congregation of Muslims, decrying all forms of terrorism in the name of Allah, embracing Christians and Jews, eschewing Palestinian violence against Israel, denouncing Palestinian nursery rhymes that glorify the hatred of Jews, etc. This new Congregation of Muslims would assimilate, being American first. Being American first, they wouldn't even consider the Cordova Mosque in New York. When you educate yourself about Islam, it's history, the Qu'ran, the hadiths, you then see that America's religious tolerance could very well be its downfall....exactly what Islamists want. Islam is not just a religion, it is an entire way of life; Religion, politics, economics and law. As such, America and Islam go together like oil and water. Quote Keith Ellison, Sept. 24, 2008, at a "Rock the Muslim Vote" Townhall forum:
"Getting engaged, getting involved, running for office, helping people run for office, organizing your community—these are the things that are going to make a change come about. We have to build the kind of country that we want with the help of some people who are like-minded. We cannot leave that responsibility to anybody else."
Bring about change? Build the kind of country that you want? You and those who are "like-minded?" Just who is that when you're addressing a Muslim audience? Do they want like-minded Presbyterians? Like minded Catholics? Yes, America; fear Islam.

Should we fear the child-molesting Catholics?

Should we fear the Bernie Madoff Jews?

Why is there Islamic Terrorism at all?

Is it because Osama bin Laden and his
Muslims bought Western shoes and they
pinch? No, that's not it. Is it because
The West isn't paying Arabs enough for
their oil? I don't think so. We can go
through a whole list, but it's better to
just take the word of the Muslims who
are engaged in the actual terrorism...
and every one of them tells us that it's
because the Koran commands them to
engage in terrorism. Every one of them.

SEE: http://islamisbad.com

What do you suppose will happen when
"good, pious" Muslim youths who wish to
get closer to their "religion" come across
passages in the Koran such as these:

Qur'an 8.1 "They ask you about the benefits
of capturing the spoils of war. Tell them: ‘The
benefits belong to Allah and to His Messenger.'
So fulfill your duty to Allah and the Prophet."
Qur'an 8.5 "Your Lord sent you from your
homes to fight for the true cause." Qur'an 8.7
"Allah wished to confirm the truth by His
words: ‘Wipe the infidels out to the last.'"
Qur'an 8.12 "I shall terrorize the infidels.
So wound their bodies and incapacitate them
because they oppose Allah and His Apostle.
Qur'an 8.15 "Believers, when you meet the
unbelievers in battle, do not turn your back
on them for any Muslim who retreats will
bring the wrath of Allah on himself and will
abide in Hell." Qur'an 8.72 "Those who
accepted Islam and left their homes to fight
in Allah's Cause with their possessions and
persons, and those who gave them shelter
and aided them are your allies. You are
only called to protect Muslims who fight."
Qur'an 8.73 "The infidels aid one another.
Unless you do the same there will be
anarchy in the land. Those who accepted
Islam and left their homes to fight in Allah's
Cause are good Muslims." Qur'an 8.57 "If
you meet them in battle, inflict on them
such a defeat as would be a lesson for
those who come after them, that they may
be warned." Qur'an 8.59 "The infidels
should not think that they can get away
from us. Prepare against them whatever
arms and weaponry you can muster so
that you may terrorize them. They are
your enemy and Allah's enemy." Qur'an
8.71 "He will give you mastery over them."
Qur'an 8.39 " So, fight them till all
opposition ends and the only religion is
Islam."

Please explain to me and to everyone else in
this world (most especially of all the victims
of Islamic butchery) how any "good, pious"
Muslim youth can avoid becoming convinced
that God commands him to become a terrorist
of Islam's enemies once he comes across
such passages in a Koran he has all his life
been taught every last word of which (without
a single exception) is the express demands
& orders of God?!? Because I don't know.

Document (from al-Qaida training manuals
recovered in Afghanistan):

"God Almighty has ordered us
to terrorize his enemies..."

That is why we should fear Islam.

S D Rodrian

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Should we fear Islam?

Absolutely!

Why don't you ask that question to the cartoonist Molly Norris who had to go into hiding because of a fatwa on her head.

We should fear the radical extremist of any religion and the lemmings followers they have mesmerized with fear, guilt, hate and anger.

It doesn't matter if it's Bin Ladin, Donohue, Dobson, Robertson or Boyd K. Packer.
They're all equally dangerous.

"So do you fear the Dalai Lama? Do you fear Gandhi? Do you fear mother Teresa?
Posted by: rjpal"

Actually Ripal, yes.

The Dalai Lama commands his minions as though he is a god. Ghandi, thank goodness for India, died before his plans to take India back to rural starvation and ethnic back biting could be realized. Mother Theresa was a hyper ambitious Catholic Zealot who approved of forcing Irish women to stay married once married, even if to an incestuous wife beating drunk.

So you need to do a little reading beyond the typical crap they serve up to grade school kids.

Kmd1

You wrote, "BECAUSE IF ISLAM CONSIDER THEM SO, NON-MUSLIMS WOULD HAVE NOT LIVED ON MUSLIM LAND FOR CENTURIES AND STILL DO"

Why do you consider it "muslim land"?

Why do you refer to it as "muslim land"?

Is it not just land?

Mighty nice of muslims to let non-muslims to live on their land, is that what you think?

Seems as if nothing else, you consider islam to be about owning the land and being nice enough to let "others" live on it but isn't there something about a tax that the non-muslim has to pay whereas a muslim does not have to pay this tax?

And as far as "muslim land" goes, is it all of the earth that should be "muslim land"?

Take care, be ready.

Sincerely, Thomas Paul Moses Baum.

Christianity is what we need to fear.

All religions are lie based creation myths, and all of them are dangerous misdirections of human ethics and efforts.

For Americans, Christians are the most worrisome, because they already have the country by the short hairs. Christians are the Catholic church and we are all Galileo.

The greatest tragedy in mankind's entire history may be the hijacking of morality by religion. - Arthur C Clarke, science fiction writer (1917 - )

We the people should fear any religious movement, especially all Christians and Muslims, whom I hold with equal contempt. Watch these groups carefully, keep their grubby paws off our government.
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So do you fear the Dalai Lama? Do you fear Gandhi? Do you fear mother Teresa?

Or is it rather that you think of some gun toting crackpot somewhere and think, in your confused mind, that HE represents religion?

The fact that Molly is - at least pretending to be - in hiding proves that she is an anti-Muslim racist. Clearly these alleged "death threats" are pranks by other white racist teenagers attempting to defame the Religion of Peace. Only a racist would take the alleged death threats from alleged self-proclaimed jihadis seriously.

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I guess Theo Van Gogh was taking your advise. look what he got for your advise. I am glad Molly Norris was not looking for your approval. So anybody who wishes to protect oneself from the butchers of Islam is a racist fro not enabling them. Brilliant, just this insight, you must qualify you for the Nobel peace prize, instead of that Chinese troublemaker.

There seem to be too many people who think bad things about Muslims.

And there are also too many people who think unjustified good things about Islam.

I believe the right atttitude towards Islam and Muslims is "polite caution."

Don't pretend that most Muslims are not nice - they are in fact quite good people. And don't pretend that Islam is a religion of peace, or "no different from Christianity."

The Quran, of which I own a copy, DOES talk about killing infidels. And these are the words of Muhammad himself. Jesus never talked in these terms. And that is a big difference. "Father forive them for they know not what they do." That is Jesus, not Muhammad who was a nice man but was also a general.

Buddhism came to an end in India because in the 12th century, invading Muslim armies massacred Buddhist monks on a large scale. Two ancient statues of the Buddha were destroyed in 2002 by the Taliban. These are facts.

But it is also a fact that these statues were ALLOWED to remain for centuries by the Muslim rulers of pre-Taliban Afghanistan.

There are tensions between these two facts - but can we not deal with the tensions?

Are our brains so small that we cannot entertain these apparently conflicting, but ultimately quite understandable truths about Islam?

A convert to Islam who is not an Arab cannot be anything but a fool or a knave.

AS cATO MIGHT HAVE SAID: iSLAMA DELENDA EST!

The Timre Suare bomber was sentenced within a few months of his aftempted c rfime. Why is the Muslim offficer at Ft. hOOD WHO KILLED PEOPLE STILL NOT EVEN TRIED? OBAMA IS SOFT ON ISLAM.

Excellent points Congressman Ellison.
From a quick review of comments, it is clear that people don't know enough.
As an example, let me ask "Does anyone know why on flag masts there is a ball?" Did anyone ask or queried that?

Does anyone know where Molly Norris is? Sure she and her family genuinely fear islam.

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The fact that Molly is - at least pretending to be - in hiding proves that she is an anti-Muslim racist. Clearly these alleged "death threats" are pranks by other white racist teenagers attempting to defame the Religion of Peace. Only a racist would take the alleged death threats from alleged self-proclaimed jihadis seriously.

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We the people should fear any religious movement, especially all Christians and Muslims, whom I hold with equal contempt. Watch these groups carefully, keep their grubby paws off our government.

Well let's see.

Islamic terrorists, supported by Islamic populations and purred by Islamic religious scriptures are engaged in a global war or religious persecution in which they kill about 100,000 men, women, and children each year, every year.

Should we Americans be afraid of these guys? I don't think so, because we can squash them like bugs any time we want - America is powerful. But what about oppressed poor people who can't defend themselves from Islamic aggression? Should they be afraid? I think so.

You know, we had a widespread terrorist organization at one time here in the US called the Ku Klux Klan. I think it was started in the 1860’s or thereabouts. Anyway, they beat up a few hundred people per year and killed maybe 3 or 4 of them. It died out about 20 years ago.

It was not remotely as savage or long-lived a terror campaign as today’s global Islamic terror campaign, but it was right here in the US. I’m sure people grew accustomed to it after a while and it ceased being a political issue.

Like Islamic terrorism, it was nothing worth getting worked up over.

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Most every muslim (or any religious person) is a absolute idiot.

TO ALL THE ZIONISTS CONTRIBUTING TO THE FEAR OF AMERICAN CITIZENS, YOUR TIME HAS EXPIRED AND YOUR LIES ARE EXPOSED

IF THERE IS A REGIME TO FEAR WILL BE THE ZIONIST REGIME EXPANDING ITS WINGS IN THIS COUNTRY AND TAKING OVER MAINSTREAM America..MEDIA, BUSINESS, LOBBYIST, POLITICIANS, HOLLYWOOD....

We should not fear Islam.
We should stop it from spreading.
That is not considered politically correct.
Therefore, we have to wait until the
Chinese stop it.
They are the only power to do that effectively.

First of all, one should not fear anyone or anything. Fear is a state of mind. Notwithstanding, people are very susceptible to fearmongering, whether by jihadists, politicians, or religious leaders. Since we are talking about religions, it is obvious that the business model of all religions involve fearmongering of some sort:, which is how they keep the people coming and keep the coffers growing. It is a business, but most people don't see it this way, because most people need a Linus Blanket and religion provides said "blanket." Knowledge is power. Stand on your own two feet. It is a good life if you don't weaken. Live until you die.

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Posted by: AKafir | October 7, 2010 10:02 PM--SEE BELOW THE LINE

Keith you went to perform Umra. Are Non-muslims allowed in Mecca? Did that remind you of the blacks being segregated in America? Why are there traffic signs saying that it is "obligatory" for non-muslims to get off the freeway going to mecca? Do you know the basis for non-muslims being refused entry to mecca? Could it have anything to do with Allah's command of 9:28?
What do you tell your Kafir fellow citizens in America why your Allah considers them so filthy that they can be compared to Urine and feces by the muslims, and that they will pollute Mecca? Are you little bit like the white racist who thought the blacks were so filthy that they needed separate drinking fountains?

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FIRST THERE ARE NO SIGNS TELLING NON-MUSLIMS TO GET OUT THE FREE WAY

SECOND, NON-MUSLIMS ARE WELCOME TO MECCA,MECCA IS A CITY NOW IF THEY WANT TO GO INSIDE THE 'KAABA" THE BIG MOSUQ "AL MASJID AL HARAM" THEY HAVE TO ABIDE BY CERTAIN RULES FROM RESPECT PROSPECTIVE AS IF YOU ENTER A CHURCH OR A TEMPLE OF OTHER FAITHS

ISLAM DOES NOT CONSIDER NON-MUSLIMS "FILTHY" AS YOU SAID....SHOW ME WHERE IN THE KORAN OR THE TEACHING OF THE PROPHET THAT SAYS WHAT YOU CLAIM? PURE LIE

BECAUSE IF ISLAM CONSIDER THEM SO, NON-MUSLIMS WOULD HAVE NOT LIVED ON MUSLIM LAND FOR CENTURIES AND STILL DO

AND FINALLY WORK ON YOUR ENGLISH AND LIES TOGETHER , THEY NEED TO BE REFINED

Here is my favorite sura from the Quran. I am not a Muslim but I am a devout believer in multiculturalism. Here God is saying that we should delight in and learn from each others' cultures, just as men and women are different and delight in learning about each other. I believe this is a verse we can all take to heart.

O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of God is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And God has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things).

Fear ! We know what they are about and it's not good, it's not peace and it's not love - they want total control and they will force you to submit if they have their way. This will not happen without many lost lives. Muslims are not bad people, it's the hate their religion teaches that is bad.

Maybe if you didn't threaten to kill someone because they drew a cartoon, most Americans wouldn't fear you. Just a thought.

The biggest mistake we can make is to proffer special privileges to those who practice Islam. No hyper sensitivities regarding abusive jokes, no official sanctioning of Sharia law, no laws restricting publications of pictures of Mohamed - in essence, treating those of the Islamic faith just as we treat those of any other faith. Any other course of action would segregate Islam and lead to much greater acrimony in the long-term.

WE as a democratic PLURALISTIC,SECULAR nation shouldn't be afraid of any RELIGION&FAITH including ISLAM.However IT is THE INTREPRETATION&PREACHING of ISLAMIC FAITH needs PERUSAL to make sure that the mullahs are fully aware of AMERICAN CONSTITUTION&ITS CIVIC POLICY OF SEPARATION OF CHURCH&STATE.IT is this lack of understanding&obeying the law of the land which today is causing all the problem.We are one NATION under GOD with LIBERTY&JUSTICE for ALL.

Well the congressman didn't read the excellect 372 pages PDF/internet report; Shariah, the threat to America, written by fmr. CIA director James Woolsey & many others. Their report shows islam is a reactionary, politico-military doctrine and must be removed from the face of the world !

People fear what they don't understand.
I've personally known my share of Muslims and have found every one to be "normal", if one can define it. Not the same w/ some hate-filled, judgmental, intolerant, racist people I know who fashion themselves "Christian".

Here are two reasons why Keith Ellison is all wrong (as usual):

1) The intolerant behavior is not "crossing every cultural line"... it comes mainly from Muslims.

2) Black Americans are not persecuting gays, oppressing women, waging an ethnic war against the Jews, or attempting to take away our freedom of speech. Muslims are doing those things.

Oh, and yes, we should fear Islam.

Regarding the finer points of controversy about Islam, some have already explained, the verse in the Qur'an containing the phrase "slay the pagans" was directed specifically at Muhammad and his followers after a period of 13 years of persecution during which they were prohibited by their religion from defending themselves, to exemplify the Muslim virtue of forbearance. The verse was then sent as permission to that specific group to defend themselves against their oppressors. And if you read the surrounding verses, you will see clear limitations on that permission, directing them to deal kindly with anyone who was not oppressing them. Would anyone here honestly argue in moral terms against the right to self-defense?

The inference was made below that because the book is said to be eternal, every bit of it should apply to everyone who might ever live or have lived. This is a logically-flawed inference. Flesh out your assumptions. Nothing about having the intrinsic attribute of "eternalness" negates an entity's ability to direct statements at specific groups under temporal limitations. That different parts of the Qur'an are directed at different people has always been clear to Qur'anic scholars and Muslims in general.

Many of the arguments posted here are mere straw man attempts at furthering the perception of Islam as wicked. If you truly wish to confront, understand and criticize Islam, you will not make straw men. If you have an interest in being a fair, rational person, it's important to constantly be aware of your own biases, and that means constantly reflecting on your intentions and always question the objectivity of your efforts.

In the world of philosophy, politics aside, Islam is regarded among the most impressive, consistent, beautiful ethical systems, and the Qur'an is held as a work of astounding logical, scientific and linguistic merit, and perhaps the best evidence for the existence of God.

Comparing fear of Islam to a fear of black people is a false analogy since one is a belief system and one is a group of people. A more appropriate comparison would be, "Should Americans fear Mormonism?" or "Should Americans fear Atheism?" or "Should Americans fear socialism?" or "Should Americans fear Democracy?." The real question about whether Islam is something to be feared should focus on a critical analysis of the specific tenets of the belief system and, also, how that belief system is generally understood and actually practiced by its followers. Obviously, the institutionalization of Islam as a political system in places such as Afghanistan, Iran and Saudi Arabia is sufficient to give Americans pause when thinking about an increase in the influence of Islam in American society, but, then again, Islam must be taken as a whole and should be analyzed as objectively as possible and one should not just look at Saudi Arabia as the inevitable result of Islamization. My reading of the Quran and reivew of the history of Islam has led me to the conclusion that Islam is, on the whole, an undesirable influence and not a belief system under whose tenets I would choose to live. But, that is me and others should be free to fear or not fear Islam as they see fit. (Of course, people living in Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan and Iran do not necessarily have the freedom to choose to live as a Muslim or not and therin lies the problem.)

Congressman Ellison is not here asserting that race is the same is religion; he is asserting that treatment and perception of Muslims in the American media is analogous to obtuse, heavily-biased racism in significant respects, and that point is well-taken. A mutable, truth-apt set of beliefs, e.g. religion, is certainly more open to criticism and discussion than something like race, but surely that does not remove from us any moral obligation to frame and engage in the discussion fairly, accurately and objectively. From a journalism standpoint, as Ellison rightly points out, given the clips, panelists and questions chosen, this news special was a caricature of fair, objective news to the point of absurdity. As absurd, perhaps, as a special entitled "Should America Fear Black People?"

As usual these articles try their best to conflate two different issues, because there a few common words in the names of the issues. Mr. Ellison being associated with both issues personally, felt he had the license to unapologetically do so. The readership here was quick to point that sleight of hand. Then Mr. Ellison goes on to complain that the protagonists picked were the extremists and the critics were indeed critics. There was a moderate too, Mr. Aslan. I have not had a chance to see the documentary. I shall catch it on reruns or VoD soon.

Has Mr. Aslan, contradicted the extremists vituperations and told him he was misinterpreting the skydaddy's final revelation? I read lot of people on the thread mouthing eloquence about the proper contextual interpretation of the said texts. Here is the rub, they simultaneously claim that the book is an eternal guidance. What is that silly word, uncreated. Implying that it always existed, under no other place but under skaydaddys throne, the Sun's resting place after dusk till dawn.

This begs the question, how is it that an eternal book has passages that are only relevant to the times it was first propagated? How come an eternal book has to be interpreted imaginatively to the times, and not have any guidance on how to interpret it? If is up to the person, then do we need the damn books, if I have to call on other faculties and my own reason? But then again it is also claimed that reason misleads, so should not be relied on and that is why the revelation.

The next is conflation with bible, it also has vile passages. True, but then all you can say is something else is also bad, that is not saying much for your book. Besides isn't this the final word of skydaddy? If so it begs the question why did skydaddy need so many iterations? To top it off the final word is still flawed too. That begs the question, why did skydaddy make this the final word? Is the skydady really worthy of adulation when he does not get it right even after three times?

People these books are written by or plagiarized by ignorant who did know their ass from their elbow, in terms of nature and ethics. They wrote these as political, unifying texts to unite their tribes and conquer other tribes. They hav no place in 21st century.

There is an aggressive, destructive nihilstic streak in modern Islam, which, for good or for bad, is associated with all Muslims and with being Muslim. That is a problem for Islam.

I think that Muslims are in denial about this problem. Their motivations and actions will always be judged in this light. That is a fact of life that Muslims must accomodate to.

Muslims must realize that any religion demanding preferential treatment in public life rubs many people the wrong way, and this is especially true for Islam.

I think this article is well-meaning and commendable on that front, but there's a huge flaw in its premise.

To piggyback what WMARKW mentioned:
Black refers to a race, African American to an ethnicity, Muslim refers to a religion. The analogy is faulty and the basis for the article is weak and potentially harmful to the fight against ignorance and myth-perpetuation.

One of the biggest misconceptions concerning Islam is that the whole of the Muslim world is Arab. Indonesia and India are the top two Muslim countries in the world and the Muslims living in those countries are not of the same ethnicity/race as Muslims living in Iraq, Albania or North Africa. The myth that Muslim=Arab makes things like racial profiling easier for people to swallow.

A better analogy would be between almost any other religion and Islam. For example: Would a respectable journalist ask random Christians/Buddhists to explain how they understand extremists in their own faiths? Maybe.

Marry 1 pontificates to me thus:
“For Abrahamhab1 and everyone else: Please stop listing direct text from any religious book. There is a huge historical reason behind the chapters and verses and what exactly they mean and why they were revealed.”

How many different explanations are there for the command “Kill the infidels wherever you find them”. Besides these are the verses that their so-called religious leaders use to incite their congregations to wage jihad on the non-Muslims. Visit your neighborhood mosque and enjoy.

Marry1 wrote: "I respect my christian brothers and sisters as much as my muslim brothers and sisters. Wake up ppl, this is the 21st century....."

The person who needs to wake up is you. Muslims & Christians are much less than half of the world. The majority is Hindu, Buddhist, Sikh, Jain, others and atheists.

So what if you can find some crazy or scary quotes in the Bible. How does that justify the violent quotes in the Koran?

READ CAREFULLY: There are only 2 supremacist religions that are the cause of religious conflict. Islam and Christianity are involved in all religious conflict, on one side or both. Think about this.
The reason is the inherent supremacist idea in both religions that their way or their god is the only true way (e.g. there is no God but Allah). Everyone else is wrong and inferior. What a non-spiritual basis for a "religion"!

So, welcome to the 21st century to you also.

P.S. quoting from the Koran, which the Muslims say is the unquestionable word of Allah, seems reasonable. For example:

THE HOLY KORAN CH.9 VERSE 5: "SO WHEN THE SACRED MONTHS HAVE PASSED AWAY, THEN KILL THE NONBELIEVERS WHEREVER YOU FIND THEM, AND TAKE THEM CAPTIVES AND BESIEGE THEM AND LIE IN WAIT FOR THEM IN EVERY AMBUSH."

[9.14] FIGHT THEM, ALLAH WILL PUNISH THEM BY YOUR HANDS AND BRING THEM TO DISGRACE.
[9.29] FIGHT THOSE WHO DO NOT BELIEVE IN ALLAH.

Who wrote this stuff? Check for yourself.

SORRY "REPRESENTATIVE" ELLIS, YOU'VE GOT IT BACKWARD.

The link between violence and Muslims is the Koran. It's not that complicated if you read the Koran, and simply compare it with the behavior of too many Muslims against nonbelievers.

Congressman Ellison, the hate and supremacism comes from the Koran and is directed at the "nonbelievers", not the other way around. Getting this backwards reveals a lot about the intellectual capacity and sincerity of those who get it backwards.

A congressman in United States of America can't get this right? "Blacks" in America don't define themselves based on a book called "Blackoran" - the revealed word of God - the one and only correct way to God. And then if these same self-identifying supremacist followers of "Blackoran" then killed thousands of innocents in terrorists attacks, you better believe that questions would and should be asked.

Sometimes a good offense is the best defense.
In your case congressman Ellis, you attempt at going on the offense against people with legitimate concerns about islamic terrorism just led to an embarrassing fumble in your own endzone. Oops!

For Abrahamhab1 and everyone else: Please stop listing direct text from any religious book. There is a huge historical reason behind the chapters and verses and what exactly they mean and why they were revealed. Please investigate and research on that first rather then posting incomplete information and concluding on it. Should I conclude on the following text from King James Version of Bible:
(31:17-18)
17-Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.

18-But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

No, I wont! I am not affiliated with any religion, but I do respect all religions and their texts. I respect my christian brothers and sisters as much as my muslim brothers and sisters. Wake up ppl, this is the 21st century.....

Keith you went to perform Umra. Are Non-muslims allowed in Mecca? Did that remind you of the blacks being segregated in America? Why are there traffic signs saying that it is "obligatory" for non-muslims to get off the freeway going to mecca? Do you know the basis for non-muslims being refused entry to mecca? Could it have anything to do with Allah's command of 9:28?
What do you tell your Kafir fellow citizens in America why your Allah considers them so filthy that they can be compared to Urine and feces by the muslims, and that they will pollute Mecca? Are you little bit like the white racist who thought the blacks were so filthy that they needed separate drinking fountains?

No we should not be afraid of Islam, but we should know Islam thoroughly for what it is. Towards that a few questions that you may wish to answer sometime so people may know your Islam better:

1) Is there a time and place that people could examine to see how "true Islam" is actually practiced. In 1440 years of its history there must be some place at some time where one could say that this is what Islam can bring to mankind. For those conditions, could we look at how non-muslims were treated by Islam?

2) Is there any reason why Saudi Arabi and Iran should not be viewed as good models for Islamic countries under Sharia? What Islamic law says that their Sharia is not Islamic?

3) Who are the nicest muslims in a majority muslim country who have treated the non-muslims among them well?

4) Where can we find "Pluralistic Islam that you sometime mention"?

5) Is there a pure Islamic country in the whole world at present? If not, why not?

6) Why is it that all muslims countries at present have laws that deeply discriminate against the non-muslims and women?

6) Why do you think Allah allows old men to marry and have sex with young prepubertal girls (see Q Sura 65 ayet 4 and Sura 33 and ayet 49) when that is terrible for the health and well being of the little girl? Why couldn't Allah spare a single command saying that men should not marry infants?

7) Why was Islam so easily hijacked by these extremeist who want to kill and behead and murder and burn?

Nabihah quotes:
“That Islam, fully embraced and implemented, may take our world to a new height of health, wealth, glory, peace, joy and contentment. Not just for this or that group of people, but for everyone everywhere.”

Saying so would not make it so. We believe, and rightly so, that a tree can be judged by its fruits. We also know that the ten countries with the worst cases of corruption, ignorance and poverty are countries that describe themselves as Muslim countries.

The cartoon linked by Zerin claims that Islam calls for freedom of religion, respects women and condemns the killing of “innocent” people. Again saying so does not make it so. The short reply to this allegation is 1. Apostasy 2. Polygamy and 3.Jihad.

Keith, Islam is inherently a violent ideology, the koran is violent. We must fear islam and know whats in store for those who criticize this cult. Does anyone know where Molly Norris is? Sure she and her family genuinely fear islam.

As a muslim, I honesty believe the mainstream muslim voice is not solicited. Further, each and every Muslim has a different level of understanding of the tenets of their faith, and a different ability to explain it to another person - just like any other subject. Holding each person collectively answerable is not the actions of a honest broker.

I found this new media initiative quite promising. Perhaps the only way to tackle this is when Muslims create the content and present it to the public versus relying on anyone else.

A video Satire created by a team of Muslims on "Burn a Quran Day". I find it tongue in cheek and certainly reflective of how the majority of Muslims want to respond.

http://www.muslimresponse.com/

please check out http://www.islamicsolutions.com/do-they-even-know-what-islam-is/

Allison pontificates thus:
“But serious journalists called on ordinary Muslim Americans to explain the behavior of homicidal maniacs and extremists, thereby making the link between the crazies and the mainstream community.”

There is a link between the behavior of those you describes” homicidal maniacs and extremists” and the Muslim theology. If you are not aware of this link then either you are ignorant of the basic tenants of Islam or merely practicing taqqiya.

Below are some of the jewels that adorn the pages of your holy book and which guides “the path of the “believers”.”

Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and God's religion shall reign supreme. (8:40)
-- Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme. (2:193)
-- The true believers fight for the cause of God, but the infidels fight for the devil. (4:76)
-- We will put terror into the hearts of the unbelievers. (3:151)
-- I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads; strike off the very tips of their fingers. (8:12)

Actually, some of the parallels drawn to the coverage of racial issues illustrates that our news media whitewashes some of them. I wouldn't expect that any mainstream news organization would run a story about the father of 23 children by many different women that TheRoot.com is currently running.

But the difference is that ISLAM IS NOT A RACE. It's a set of beliefs that people (in America) are free to embrace or reject.

When news profiles the extreme political right wing, another set of beliefs, the fact that many are ordinary Americans going about their daily lives, but that some fraction of them own many automatic weapons in case of general societal breakdown, are BOTH part of the coverage.

Not many people have claimed to try to blow up Times Square or shot up an Army base because they were "Soldiers of Shaka Zulu."