Most people who "join" Jehovah's Witnesses are born into the creed as indoctrinated youth and about 70 percent do end up leaving under very ugly circumstances shunned as traitors.
Any Watchtower troll who says that JW will 'just let you walk away' are willful liars..

Jehovah's Witnesses are a cult or high control group because they cut you off (harsh shunning) for dissent of any kind.

Jehovah's Witnesses disfellowshiped person (DF) is exactly the same as Scientology suppressed person (SP)

Scientologists declare their outcasts "suppressive persons."
Another Scientology policy - called "disconnection" - forbids Scientologists from interacting with a suppressive person. No calls, no letters, no contact.

An SP is a pariah. Anyone who communicates with an SP risks being branded an SP himself.
Jehovah's Witnesses are EXACTLY the same.

"Religion-With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, it takes religion."
Steven Weinberg, Nobel Laureate in physics

Try the experiment of pleasing God rather than man. Joan Irvine, "just as her grandfather enjoyed a fight. She really should of been a man." You find a woman and she's more of man than you thought. I'm a fighter, so I'd rather fight with a woman. It depends what you are fighting for, who you are fighting with is your business. This sweet torture of waiting? Send him/her flowers. Then the glad overcoming joy of the meeting. The old bright fashion never goes out of style. Be bear minded and avoid bull. We'll cheerfully take your money gaily daily.

I know you support Joel, but you expressed you support for him in terms of how much you hate and loathe religious people. by ZZIM
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No, she didn't.
She deprecated RELIGIONS, not people.

Posted by: WmarkW

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Heh, fail.

Your argument is no different than “I don’t hate homosexuals, I love gay people, I just hate their evil sexual habits”, or, better yet, “I don’t hate black, people, some of my best friends are black people, I just hate all the drugs and crime they do.”

So yeah, Fanaz absolutely LOVES religious people, she’s acknowledging that they have never done anything “good in the world.”

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I know you support Joel, but you expressed you support for him in terms of how much you hate and loathe religious people. by ZZIM
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No, she didn't.
She deprecated RELIGIONS, not people.

The Jehovah's Witness faith is an extremely primitive interpretation of scripture, that recruits members using comic book presentations of bible stories. And it encourages shunning of family members who no longer accept its doctrines.

I'm only glad it's too idiotic to be more popular.

Zzim, you moron racist, WTF are you talking about?

It's rather obvious that I support Joel.

Posted by: FarnazMansouri2

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I know you support Joel, but you expressed you support for him in terms of how much you hate and loathe religious people.

Joel’s trying to express support for gay people without needing to vilify religious people. You took that as your cue to simply vilify religious people.

Personally, I think the Joel does a really good job of striking a supportive-but-conciliatory tone that respects the dignity of others, which really impressed me. You, on the other hand, absolutely insist on degrading others. I decided not to pass up the opportunity to call you out on that.

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NOTICE: *ScottJW1* is Jehovah's Witnesses troll and his rambling rants are disturbing.

Jehovah's Witnesses cause a LOT of harm have burned a lot of victims.Anytime their keywords come up in the news it creates a firestorm of outrage and rabid rants from their followers.

Google:Jehovah's Witnesses pedophiles

Why do I think that a single Joel is more a force for decency than all the world's religions combined?

Posted by: FarnazMansouri2

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Because you're a hate-filled bigot.

Good article, Joel, thanks for writing it. Sorry you have to have your plea for tolerance besmirched by bigots like Farnaz, but what can you do?

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Zzim, you moron racist, WTF are you talking about?

It's rather obvious that I support Joel.

Sorry Joel. Mentally challenged readers like Zzim are allowed to post here.

What a despicable cult. Keep believing the earth is 6,000 years old.

EYE OPENER

Homosexuality is prevalent at the 'all men's' Bethel Watchtower center in New York.

http://www.cultbuster.info/Grimlees/homosexuality_bethel.htm

(Google *Jehovah's Witnesses Watchtower homosexuality*)

Joel, I am one of the many JWs who watched your documentary on us. I appreciate your un-biased approach to it. There were a couple of "iffy" parts but overall was well done.
If anyone thinks that a parent wants to shun a family member for their lifestyle or choice of behaviour, you're wrong. It is very painful...I know. But it is not a question of hating the person. It is a question of loyalty, loyalty to our Creator. He is the one who makes the rules. We read the rules from the Bible. We do our best to follow those rules. The rules are for our own benefit (Isa. 48:17, 18). As for family being shunned by their witness family, please read thes scrips: Matthew 10 " 32 “Everyone, then, that confesses union with me before men, I will also confess union with him before my Father who is in the heavens; 33 but whoever disowns me before men, I will also disown him before my Father who is in the heavens. 34 Do not think I came to put peace upon the earth; I came to put, not peace, but a sword. 35 For I came to cause division, with a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a young wife against her mother-in-law. 36 Indeed, a man’s enemies will be persons of his own household. 37 He that has greater affection for father or mother than for me is not worthy of me; and he that has greater affection for son or daughter than for me is not worthy of me."

Loyalty to Jehovah God is paramount. Our hope is that our family and friends would all come to know the Truth and make the needed changes in their lives to conform to God's will. For some, that may be very difficult. But it can be done. 1 Corinthians 6, "9 What! Do YOU not know that unrighteous persons will not inherit God’s kingdom? Do not be misled. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men kept for unnatural purposes, nor men who lie with men, 10 nor thieves, nor greedy persons, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit God’s kingdom. 11 And yet that is what some of YOU were. But YOU have been washed clean, but YOU have been sanctified, but YOU have been declared righteous in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ and with the spirit of our God."

This comment is for those that are humkble, peaceable people that have an open mind and would like to know the Truth about Jehovah's Witnesses. As for the rest...

Why do I think that a single Joel is more a force for decency than all the world's religions combined?

Posted by: FarnazMansouri2

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Because you're a hate-filled bigot.

Good article, Joel, thanks for writing it. Sorry you have to have your plea for tolerance besmirched by bigots like Farnaz, but what can you do?

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Joel,

Finally, you have it. I have read your columns and ranted after each one. I have commented after many of them and hoped you would finally be true to yourself over your need (desire, obligation??) to be true to your mother's religion. Finally you have come through. Finally, you are finally getting it. Thank you. Thank you.

I'd like to invite you and any of your gay ex (or current) JW readers to consider joining an online community for exjw's who are gay at acbgroup@yahoogroups.com. It is where we find healing. Please stop by and say hello.

And did I mention Thank you?

Melissa

Judge the integrity of a tree by its 'own' leaves. Examine the pages of 'our own' publications. Regards to all.

I'm still waiting for a convincing argument on the good that religion does for the world. Why do I think that a single Joel is more a force for decency than all the world's religions combined?

When you meet the friendliest people you have ever known, who introduce you to the most loving group of people you've ever encountered, and you find the leader to be the most inspired, caring, compassionate and understanding person you've ever met, and then you learn the cause of the group is something you never dared hope could be accomplished, and all of this sounds too good to be true -- it probably is too good to be true! Don't give up your education, your hopes and ambitions to follow a rainbow.

* Jeannie Mills (aka Deanna Mertle), early defector from the People's Temple and co-founder of the Concerned Relatives and the Human Freedom Center

Kudos to you Joel for spilling your guts on this. I would like to do a documentary with you on part 2 of the Witnesses and the abuse of human dignity. -
Randall Watters
freeminds.org

Homosexuality is prevalent at the 'all men's' Bethel Watchtower center in New York.

http://www.cultbuster.info/Grimlees/homosexuality_bethel.htm

(Google *Jehovah's Witnesses Watchtower homosexuality*)


The big difference between Jehovah's Witnesses and Christians is that the Watchtower Society's central core creed proclaims Jesus second coming in October 1914.
They sometimes try to obscure this failed prophecy,and say that he came 'invisibly'.Yes,all other Christains are awaiting Jesus return,the JW say he ALREADY came back in 1914 and is only working through their Watchtower society.

Jehovah's Witnesses have lost membership in all countries with major internet access because their false doctrines and harmful practices are exposed on the modern information superhighway.

The Watchtower is a truly Orwellian world.

"For this is what the love of God means, that we observe his commandments; and yet his commandments are not burdensome, because everything that has been born from God conquers the world. And this is the conquest that has conquered the world, our faith." - 1John 5:3-4

http://www.watchtower.org/
http://jw-media.org
http://jw.org

M.

It always surprises me that some religious people are so willing to shrug of their children because of what a cleric says. There are a great many, of many different sorts saying many things, and yet people still trust their priest to be right, and to give them rules that exile their children.

I don't think this is going to change until people start holding their religions accountable for their wider actions. Religion's are not democracies, and as such, the only thing they are going to notice is loss of contributions and loss of membership. If you believe in gay rights, and your church actively shuns gays or encourages their re-education, you are accountable for that. Your contributes fund that, and they need to know that it is wrong.

I think being left handed is evil. It is a choice - not something someone is born with. The Devil baptized his followers with his left hand and in France, witches greeted each other with left handed handshakes. Left handed people should not be allowed to marry or enter heaven.

The Jehovah's Witness religion is the most superstitious and anti-intellectual major denomination in America. Here's a comparison of the education levels of various religion traditions:

http://religions.pewforum.org/comparisons#
(Click Demographics then Education Distribution)

Jehovah's Witnesses easily trail every other group with 9% college graduates. (Historically Black Churches are next to last at 16%.) Now THAT'S being anti-intellectual.

It's a dumb faith based on comic book illustrations and interpretations of Bible stories suitable for a mental eight-year-old.