A Muslimah gave a link that says in part:
“turning to God means turning to God’s word in this world. It means turning to the Qur’an: God Almighty’s direct word that is in our hands."
This calls for my brief description of this book which some claim is "written by the Creator of the Universe."
“A book with no chronology of events or a sustained theme other than a supremacist diatribe, divination of Islam’s founder and incitement against the” other”. It is riddled with inconsistencies and outright contradictions. It lists legends from Arab and Persian pagans along with embellished and distorted stories from the Old and New Testaments. It is full of scientific heresies, geographical myths, historical blunders, mathematical mistakes, grammatical errors and logical fallacies. The book talks of flying horses, speaking ants and arguing birds. It describes an afterlife gardens with rivers of wine and honey and brimming with young black eyed receptive beauties placed there simply to service the male followers of Mohammad.”

Western civilization is apparently no longer Western civilization--which is to say a relatively closed and clearly defined entity. Certainly Islamic civilization impacts it greatly. One is permitted all sorts of freedoms in Western civilization, but if one offends Muslims one can expect both Muslims to be upset and one's fellow Westerners to step forward and denounce one's actions. The terrorists have succeeded in my opinion. Islam has a hold on Western civilization that no other religion has today. One can offend any other religion at will in Western civilization but Islam. One's fellow Westerners even are ready to step forward and help in one's punishment if one offends Islam. I strongly advise no one to stick their head up by insulting Islam in the West. One can expect threats from Islam and one's fellow Westerners. No help is forthcoming until the day one simply must go into hiding, then Western authorities will help. But it is more than implied that one brought everything on oneself. The terrorists have succeeded beyond all expectation.

As for the win-win nonsense of Taylor here, that is Western in invention, not Islamic. If win-win needs to be explained, it should not be Westerners needing this explanation but Muslims. Taylor is just like Patel; both constantly face Westerners in some bizzare attempt to educate Westerners about Islam rather than their fellow Muslims. Westerners need no education. We are not terrorizing. All these lessons should be addressed to the Islamic world. And what makes it so infuriating is we constantly hear the terrorists are few, that most Muslims denounce terrorism and cannot be blamed, yet the terror goes on, the majority Muslims against terror doing really nothing to police their own people. The very statement that most Muslims are against terrorism ironically condemns precisely the majority Muslims, because if the terrorists are so few they should all be non-existent, having been eradicated by the majority Muslims. But all we hear day and night is about those mean Westerners being against Islam and persecuting the majority who do no terrorism. Eventually this majority Muslim strategy will become apparent. Eventually the terrorists will acquire really dangerous weapons (nuclear, biological), then the majority Muslims with all their apologetics will no longer have influence. The majority Muslims had better start policing their own people, because if not doing so one day they will find themselves having to explain a truly horrific attack, why they allowed their fellow Muslims to do such. Some important people think that a nuclear attack will occur as early as a few years from now.

please check out http://www.islamicsolutions.com/what-does-god-want-from-us/

WmarkW- how nearrow-minded.Not one single one of those things is part of Islam alone.

Public schools in high jewish populationa areas are serving Kosher meals, the differences with halal are very minor and could easily be incorporated.

In my No. Va high school, we had several muslim boys and girls and we all had PE class and played games together. Besides almost all youth sports programs (school and rec) are divided by gender right now. There are some conservative christian groups that will not allow their children (of either sex) to play games or sports at all.

Unless you have proof, there has been no problem with muslim cab drivers and cuistomers carrying (legally allowed, sealed) alcoholic products in their vehicles. (several christian denomonations have the same policy about alcohol as muslims do-Mormons, Seveth Day Adventists, many Baptists, some Lutherans)

Honor killing are treated just like any other premeditated killing in the country. Even in several Muslim nations these are illegal and the perps do jail time like everyone else.

Jihadist: "AKafir adding to verbal bashing and physical thrashing of American Muslims as excusable while high horsing it on Muslim "intolerence" and "violence?"

What physical thrashing have I participated in? Verbal bashing? Trying to have a serious dialog is verbal bashing? Mr. Jihadist, Islam is nasty to the non-muslims. That nastiness is built into its laws. As another ex-muslim said about Allah in the title of her book, "A God who hates". Why don't you simply tell the readers that I am lying that the laws of Sharia as implemented in your country of Malyasia have hatred of the non-muslim deeply embedded in them? If I am wrong, then every can simply ignore what I write.

Just as I asked you those questions in earnest, I have asked Pamela to tell us why are muslims so overly excitable. Do you think that Salman Rushdie should have had a fatwa put on his head for writing "Satanic Verses"? Do you think people should have rampaged, burned and killed because Salman wrote a book? Do you think it was right of muslims around the Globe to go burning and killing because a Danish newspaper published some cartoons? The killing was not even over the actual cartoon but over some cartoons that the Danish Imams had intentionally inserted themselves. Do you think that people should have been killed in Afghanistan, India, etc. because a small time pastor in Florida threatened to burn a book?

Who is excusing hindu extremism? As far as I know the Indian Government is dealing with it. Do you know of any incidences where those extremists have been severing people's heads, videoing them while waving their holy book? If you do, please let me know. How many Islamic snuff videos do you want to see as being used by the jihadists for recruiting purposes? You see, snuffing kaafirs is one of the attraction for the jihadists.

Avoiding answering questions do not make them go away. It only makes the readers aware that there might be a reason why the questions cannot be answered.

AKafir can't count on crime too, as percentage of population of the perpetrators against the victims?

AKafir adding to verbal bashing and physical thrashing of American Muslims as excusable while high horsing it on Muslim "intolerence" and "violence?

I suppose Hindutva extremism and saffron violence are excusable too - for they are only "reacting" against Christians and Muslims, and they are much misunderstood by everyone outside Indian/Hinduism in principles and objective.

The world loves Gandhi. It takes a Hindu extremist to kill him.

YasserYousufi is from Pakistan. Jihadist is from Malaysia. I am sure the questions that Jihadist is asking about Pakistan, yasser can answer far better than I.

I am not sure what common ground that Yasser refers to is being sought here. Farnaz, another poster, has shown that hate crimes against muslims are minuscule in USA. CAIR, ISNA, etc have been asking for any hate crime against any muslim to be reported to them, and they have not been able to find many. The numbers that keep getting repeated are the same less than a handful reported by FBI. Now look at the attempts by those citing Islam as the reason for their violent attacks since 9/11. If you don't know please look it up and you may be surprised. Have Americans over reacted to such deadly provocation? Hardly!!!

Why is not fair to ask Pamela who is writing here on behalf of Modern Muslims on why is it that Muslims are so overly excitable as demonstrated by the Salman Rushdie affair, the Danish Cartoon affair, and now the Terry Jones affair. Muslims around the globe have gone on a rampage over Rushdie writing a book, over a few silly cartoons and now over a nut job merely threatening to burn a book. Do the Christians, the jews, the hindus, the buddhists, the sikhs, the pagans, the wiccans, the jains, the Bahais, etc face provocations against their religions? Sure, and do they go on a murderous rampage when that happens? Is it wrong to ask a Modern Muslim to tell us why she thinks there is such a difference?

JosyaJosephi, you wrote, "Pamela Taylor is an American Muslim. If she is answerable for every crime that goes on in all 50+ Islamic countries". I completely agree with you she does not have to answer for anything that goes on in those wonderful paradises. What Mr. Akafir is asking is why this generosity of from Ms. Taylor towards USA. He just does not want to monopolize her generosity just in the US. Since those paradises are so wonderful, he is wondering wouldn't it be nice to bestow her generosity on those countries as well. So that all the Kafirs there can also be enjoying the paradises, just teh same as their fellow muslim residents. Is that asking too much? Do you have objections to kafirs enjoying all the benefits of those paradises? Come on Josephi, & Jihadist just please say yes the Kafirs shoudl also enjoy the benefits of the paradises. You can do it, deep down I know you can do it.

"A modern Muslim" is an oxy-mormon like a gay republican or a tolerant Glenn Beck Christian.

"Like Jews, Catholics and Mormons before us..."

Like women, gays and victims of pervert priests after....

For the uncompromising seed of Abraham there is nothing but a zero-sum game.

Why is Islam so easily provoked to such blind rage? If Muslim feelings are so sensitive that they go into a killing frenzy at the slightest imagined insult (cartoons, burning of a book, or tearing a page out of a book, etc.) then it is a problem no one can help with except the muslims themselves. And it really does not help when muslims instead of some self-reflection start calling the Kaafirs to be bigots, racists and the all encompassing charge of Islamophobic.

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It is Pakistani Muslims who are right up there in frenzied mobs on Satanic Verses, desecration of the Qur'an at Gitmo, Danish cartoons etc.

What goes on with excitable and frenzied reactions by Pakistani and Indian Muslims on slights and insults against Islam and Muslims?

You should know better, being a former Pakistani Muslim.

And let us see what AKafir, a former Pakistani and former Muslim has to say about Pakistan and Pakistanis.

After all, AKafir was a former madrassah student in Karachi. He should know what warped versions of Islam is being taught there to Pakistanis who regard Shiites and Ahmaddiyas as deviants and apostates and practice honour killings, stoning for crimes.

Kafir,

Pamela Taylor is an American Muslim. If she is answerable for every crime that goes on in all 50+ Islamic countries maybe you and your fellow hindus should also explain to her why Non-Hindus are discriminated all over India. Hate Crimes against hindus in muslim countries are less than a handful. Muslims in Middle-East, Pakistan and Malaysia haven't gone ballistic and attacked Hindus even when Hindu terrorists murdered thousands of muslims, raped their women and drove them out of their homes. Dont think there was much of a reaction in US when Fanatic Hindus burned to death Christian Missionaries nor did they react when Hindu terrorists burned villages of dalits for converting to Christianity. It would be really nice to know what you Hindu bigmouths have done to get minorities in India treated humanely. Lets hear what you have to say on the treatment of non-hindus and even lower caste hindus in India.

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Dont think you bigots even bother to read the article before posting your anti-islamic invectives. Try and understand the gist of this article. The Author isn't gearing up for fight with you bigots. She's looking for common grounds. You keep looking for excuses to hate and fight.

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Secular:
"I agree completely with this noble sentiment. So lets start this glorious experiment from Pakistan, Iran, & Saudi Arabia."

Pamela really does not have to actually do anything. I would be satisfied if she could simple explain to the dumb American Kaafirs why non-muslims are hatefully discriminated right across all muslim countries. The sentiments that she express are already implemented here in the kaafir USA. Hate crimes against Muslims are less than a handful. Kaafirs have not gone ballistic and hurt muslims (except for a few nut cases) even when there has been an attempt to kill Kaafir Americans by jihadis in USA every few months since 9/11. Which freedom of Pamela have been bridged here in good Ole Kaafir USA? It really would be nice to read what has Pamela done to get the muslim countries to treat their non-muslims decently. She does not have to begin with the hard core cases that you mention. She can start with the most moderate of them ... Malaysia/Indonesia. Let's see what Pamela has to say about the treatment of non-muslims in the very very moderate Islamic Malaysia.

Ms. taylor wrote "And in a lot of situations, my enjoyment of the pie in no way takes away from your enjoyment of the pie, nor does it even impacts the size of your piece. For instance, religious freedoms are like this; that one person freely practices their religion, in no way diminishes the ability of other people to freely practice their religion(s). Rather, the fact that we are all practicing our religion as we see fit -- or not practicing any -- contributes to a social atmosphere in which all of us are happier and securer in our rights."

I agree completely with this noble sentiment. So lets start this glorious experiment from Pakistan, Iran, & Saudi Arabia. Lets all resolve to convince the political leadership to amend their laws and regulation to foster the above sentiments. So Ms. Taylor are you ready to take charge of the mission please. While you are at it please ask those governments to repeal all the laws that are no compatible with your goals.

cc: Eboo Patel

"Little Brethren": Before i[WE] begin:

Hint; In the Subconscious of Pure "A M E R Ka/o/'s and All this Anti-Ishlami [Mad Man] Esaumi [who Sold His, NOt our, 'Birth Right, let alone Wrongs etc..] is to blame (yaya; to point da fingers against dem "White-Cracker"s big-mouths [via Nation of iSlam anf FaraKHAN's, Raul's] N.O.I.; an Imported, NOT MADE-IN-AMERIiCA, SuperStupidstitious [Contrary to Quran/Koran Message(s) etc..) Abrahahamic, wannabe, religion/faith/Belief.. SYSTEM:

Now; Brother Fareed Zakaria [a Great Mentor et al] saith, "WE, r Safer Than We[i] Think'th" [Similar said]. Or Why U.S. A's's over-reacted [To Ishlami/Esauite Phobia].

Yet The Brother gots to understanda thata "Ishlami-Phobia/o" is as real and Righteous , as the past (current pre-Islamish Scare) COMMY Finkil-Faggariono-Scare during Post N. Korian Scare , Then Vietnami era/scare epochs. Note: Nither was ever "iN Vane"!

He Also Freudianly saith, "... It [Hate of] has created suspicions about U.S. Ishlami's who are more assimilated than in any? other Country in the World...!"???

POiNT: If (before Ishlami-Scare in PARIS, France (Riots) or England, London (Riots): THAT, then

If Sweet Sweet "YO Oss of A's, Did'nt hath "COMMY-Phobia; Then U.S. A. as we Knew Would Never hath Existed.!??

Sooo, Today: Ishlami Phobia, Spread/Creep via "Elders Of Al-Taqiyahists (Not Elders Of Zion... anymore) , but via their (NOt our) ELDERS Of Wahhabi-Bi's/Ayatollahs; Is Real; NOt an ILLUSION (Magog); Soo use "GOG" (Truth),soo, ,b>MIND 1st; Heart 2nd, Gutt 3rd and Oss 4th, Aye?!

Note: time (via man-msade clocks) IS The BEST MEDICINE; aka "Patience which is; via the Essence of HOLYI-TiME(our, TEMP//being//immortal. a/k/a "ETERNITY AVOiDING LINLINESS")"!
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http://www.newsweek.com/2010/09/11/al-qaeda-isn-t-the-threat-anymore.html

Secret: Satanic VersUs Lovin Elder of AL Taqiyah (not Zion) via Mr. God-Player' Osama Bin Laden' "is DEAD" since Summer/Fall of 2007!
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VOTE: General (Brethren) McCRYSTALl & Co., Fo PREZ & Gov (SisStar) Sara Lipstick Momma-PALEN for V. Prez" respectfully aye YE/YO??!! 2012+. An AQUARiUS-Age "GEN. "Ike" [pbuh et al}, Not a PISCES-Age Ike {pbuh}!
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VOTE: McCrystal//Palin! VOTE: McCrystal PALIN...! YaYa'YO'YE!

__ Let's Poiunt a Micro-scope on NATION OF iSHLAMI-American's; or N. Africano Moors?:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation_of_Islam

Pamela:
What kind of religion wants to kill Salman Rushdie because he wrote Satanic Verses (and that was in 1980!) ? No Muslim stood up then to protest that Fatwa then. Now why would muslim burn down christian schools in Kashmir because they are slighted at some christian tearing a page of the Quran? Will we see any Muslim telling unequivocally that in the modern world that they need to grow up. Will you do that?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/13/AR2010091301573.html?hpid=topnews

On Monday, two Christian schools and 12 government buildings were set on fire with petrol canisters, said Shiv Sahai, inspector general of police in Kashmir. The airport was also closed.

Separatists had planned fresh round of demonstrations following the end of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan. But protests this time over the destruction of a Koran in Tennessee became a new catalyst to vent frustrations.

The slogan "Down with America" echoed on the streets - rarely heard in Kashmir, where anger is firmly directed at India.

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Pamela says:
“Rather than asking if Christianity or Islam (or any other religion, or lack thereof) is right, let us explore how each of us can remain faithful to our own beliefs while accepting other, radically different beliefs, and how that dynamic can enhance all of our lives.”

You should direct this advice to that miniscule minority of very recent immigrants from failed societies who have the audacity to preach the imposition of their 7th Century desert ideology on the people of the greatest country the world had seen. As for your claim that some describe your religion as a political cult, it is more. It is a combination of a religion with a social order and political ideology that calls for the domination of the world. Below is a link that encapsulates the plan that Muslims have for us.
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/opinion/columnists/rdreher/stories/DN-dreher_09edi.ART.State.Edition1.4235f88.html

Pamela,

you, like most American Muslims are in denial. Americans are learning the details about Islam. Why don't you address the bigotry and the hate embedded in Islam against the non-muslim? There is not one word from you about what Muslims need to do about "reforming" Islam. The muslims that do, like Asma Nomani are labeled apostates and shunned by the muslims. Why is it that the muslims around the world are so easily excitable to violence and murder? Just yesterday, a christian school outside srinagar was burned down by an angry muslim mob because an Iranian TV had broadcast that some nut had torn a Quran outside the White house. Why is Islam so easily provoked to such blind rage? If Muslim feelings are so sensitive that they go into a killing frenzy at the slightest imagined insult (cartoons, burning of a book, or tearing a page out of a book, etc.) then it is a problem no one can help with except the muslims themselves. And it really does not help when muslims instead of some self-reflection start calling the Kaafirs to be bigots, racists and the all encompassing charge of Islamophobic.

Why don't ulemas worldwide declare suicide bombers to be apostates? Then people who commit those acts would not count so much on getting a heavenly reward.

"Civil society is founded on the belief that not only are we all in this together, but we can come together in ways such that we all benefit from our association."

So how do we accommodate inherent conflicts like:

Muslim parents think its blasphemy for girls to play in ball games with boys, which suburban parents would consider sex discrimination (a mortal sin in their value system) to prohibit.

School lunch programs can't provide halal meat dishes.

Cab drivers refusing passengers carrying wine.

My HOA prohibits using power mowers on Sunday. What if a bunch of people also want to prohibit Friday?

And these issues are trivial compared to problems like "honor" killing relatives who become too westernized or having different cultural assumptions about what constitutes rape.

A community requires some shared expectations of what public behavior will be. The idea that diversity is supposed to be a strength is patently ridiculous.