I am very disappointed with the comments from Abrahamhab, Akafir, Arif, and other anti-Islamists (not necessarily islamophobes) and jihadist too. Of course the Islamists have all spoken as expected with invective and the usual neanderthal way. The way I see it this might be a small step towards eroding the stranglehold of the male chauvinist pigs that hold the sway. I am not at all certain that this will amount to anything in terms of reformation or liberalization of Islam, like the ones we have seen with Christianity. But if we the critics of Islam do not encourage such liberal & progressive changes, however small they may be, then we shall be guilty as charged that we are just Islamophobes. True the Wahabbis in Saudi are not going to succumb to any such onslaught, but if at least teh native born muslims follow this path it would be interesting to see how it plays out. Above all it will definitely expose the so called moderates like Imam Reuf and others who speak one thing to the west and another to the OIC. So all I can so to Pamela on her quest is GO GIRL, GO. HIP HIP HOORAY.

bloggersvilleusa,

Surely, you are not the brightest light on the block.

To repeat, the Torah is foundational for all branches of Judaism.

"Ordained" is common English, a word used by your co-Musslemen.

An imam was also "ordained" in Canada and others have been elsewhere.

Musselman, to say that only men may be ordained as rabbis, imams, priests, ministers, etc., is IDOLATRY, though your wits are obviously too dim to grasp the point.

Further, my name is not masculine, dolt. Farnaz is a woman's name, idiot. Mansouri is Farsi (Persian). I am an Iranian Jewish woman.

I did not comment on your other pwnings since my eyes could but take in so much nonsense.

It is meaningless to win a battle with one's inferiors, particularly, when, as in your case, they post anonymously.

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I will purposely ignore the questioning of my facts based opinion by willful ignorants.

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ISRAEL should RE-invade Gaza, but this time, Clean-it of All ISHLAMI's (Pay Them fair market value for their property later) and turn it into the biggest Parking Lot in the World. And

IDF & CO., by their Protection should Make or Turn Gaza into a Paradise [And Changing it's Name of course like say, "KAFIR CITY" insteaf of Gaza City, by raw Blood, Sweat & Tears via All the Displaced or Persecuted "SECULAR-UMMAH" aka "KAF{FIR-UMAH" from all ISLAMIC LANDS. We shall help them to be ".. FRUITFUL & MULTIPLY" like the Stars in the Heavens..lalala there.

Example: The Empty Gaza or New Gaza-Landa, Shall be Populated by IRAQi Christians or who've been HOLOCAUST'D via ISHLAMI war-Blessings, or Moroccan Ju's therefrom, or Amadiyya sufi folk of Lahore Pindis of Paki landa [Who Live on STOLEN Land from Sweet Sweet INDIA & Cashmere] who've also been SHOA'd, includes the Sweet Sweet KURDS, the victims of Ishlami TURKEY Bully's et al Who also Stole Their LAnds!??.

Never Forget how GOOD the Islamics Hid, hide anti-KAFIR Past/Historic Atrocities or Evidence therefrom (that's what they did/Do good, unlike Dumb Kafir Germans or Kafir Russians.. who left 'smoking gun' records behind and Body strewn all ove Europe.) Remember the nazi islamish TURKISH ARMENIANs-Shoah ATROCITY? of 1915+ et al??

NOTE: i fantasias sometimes to Take a Million Jewish Body's, from WW2 Extermination Armageddon Camps, and Pile Them Up on Top Of IRAN's big Mouth A-MAD-MAN-a-JAHAD" House. Literally Smothering Burying Him and His entire Blood Line, includes AYATOLLAH's and WAHHABi' Palaces with YAHUDI, not HABi-Bi DEad Bods!

Then Let Him DENY. as usual, Then DO-n-Then-DEny. Same Goes For SYRIA Big Mouth ASSAD, and Big MOUTH Turky's ERDOGAN & ISHLAMI big-mouth UMMAH.

Once upon a time Mr. G.W. Bush & CO was Right sayin, "...BOMB THEM BACK TO THE STONE-AGE..."[similar implied].
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Interesting: The 1st-First Chairman of the PLO was a TURKISH [Mother side]. And He is was a Islamic Congressman in Istanbul/Ankara. Note: His Dad was a Ottoman placed GRAND MUfti of Stolen JERU (637 CE/AD).. If Ye/Yo Don't Believe i then See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmad_Shukeiri
NOW You Know Why TURKEY is so in love with GAZA-STAN & HEZBULY-STAN! (Not thee "STAN" from Park-South characters, aye).
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FarnazMansouri2:

The Torah is foundational in every branch of Judaism. At present, the Orthodox have a position in every way identical to rabbi, except that the woman may not lead a congregation.

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Answer: You've established now for me the point that Torah-true Yahudis do not allow women to lead a congregation. Thanks!
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FarnazMansouri2:

Be that as it may, imams have been ordained in China, now in Canada, and elsewhere.

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Answer: What a joke. Imams are not "ordained" (to diminish your ignorance, Islam doesn't even HAVE bishops). And yes there are female imams in China; they lead woman-only congregations. They do not lead men.
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FarnazMansouri2
To say that a woman may not be an imam, a rabbi, a priest, or a minister is IDOLATRY.

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Answer: Show me where it says that in the Holy Qur'an or in the Hadith. Or in the Bible, for that matter.
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BTW, FarnazMansouri2, I notice that you did not address the other points to which I responded in my previous post. I therefore assume that you accept that in those areas you've been pwned. Not that I claim any honor for it, for there is no glory in winning a battle of wits with an obviously unarmed man.

FARNAZMANSOURI2

ME seriously think that if the Ju's 1st TEMPLE was not Destroyed and NOt Enslaved by Whatever Side of The EUPHRATES of MESOpotamia for several 100 Years THAT

Today Earth would've been 1/2 or 3/4 JEWISH so, King Cyrus {pbuh} Should've never gone along with the "LET MY PEOPLE GO" song? So this is why We must instead, sing "LET MY KAFIRS GO!"

Note: WE[i] Apocalyptic-ON's, not OFF's, are "IT"s NATURALLY SELECTED" Ummah; never again "GOD(s) CHOSEN PEOPLE" Ummah, a 'PRiDE Which gets & got People Killed by Delusion and via someone else's SUPERSTUPIDSTITIOUS Childish Story's that Grown Men Kill/Maim and unnecessarily & Pre-Maturly die for, INSTEAD OF LiVING FOR!

Today Instead of Jews asking this:

ISLAM must ask itsef, "WHY DOES THE WORLD NOT LIKE {HATE} US ISHLAM'S?? Hint: "HISTORY IS OUR JURY" not only Yours but also our Judge and Witness Too! Pleazza, Do NOt, "DO-Then-DENY" and or "DENY-THEN-DO". And

best of All, FACT: All ABEic REligions, ISHLAM is NO Exception; are All P-O-L-Y -- T-H-E-O, competing for a Name for gods Systems, and are thus ZERO [0] "M-O-N-O -- THEO"!!!

THiNKING as if be one of the Great Mono Theo Pillars or Flavors there from lalala is Laughable & sadly a PRE-APOCALYPTIC behavior based on "RELIGIO-JEALOUSY-PSYCHOSIS"s etc. THAT's an Affront, Threat & Insult to our SUPERIOR (High I.Q. Ummah) INTELLIGENT-NATURE, unlike ye INFERIOR (low I.Q. Ummah) OYE...!

SADLY to say, Today ISLAM must be Stopped, like the mass Murdering Jews of Pre-Babylonia times & it's Leaderships must likewise be Banished! You started, then better finish ELSE. i.e.,

See What Happens when AYATOLLAH Khomeini gets French [SECULAR LAW, not Sharia law] Protections via Secular "ASYLUM" in KAFIR Nations? WHY Do ELDERS OF AL TAQIYAH UMMAH (WAHHABI & AYATOLLAH, NOt 'Elders of Zion' thrive on KAFIR havng Short-Memories, Because Islami's Kill-TIME not only KAFIR for Memorizing the QURAN?

PS: So the world would/ve never had ISLAM, nor have Christianity and the other Copy-Cat (Jealously Hijacked ior Rehashed) as Religion [PRE-Apocalyptic SYSTEM]S based on the somebody else's DEITY signal or Wingy Things.

SO,me think'th that Today, The World would've been a Cold-War between PAGANS [Goys, same like Kafirs] vs JEWS [gods Chosen] or JEWS vs. PAGANS [not Chosen]. Therefore

i HOPE i've UNVEILED-Your-Personal-DELUSION Or Cruxologically Unbollixed Ye/Yo Bollixed sensations for a good passage.

BEHOLD; Apocalyptic GOVERNMENT & APOCALYPTIC Faith is UN-STOPPABLE! OUR GOAL: To Instill "GRIDARIAN-DEMOCRACY" on [NEBULA-BUILT] S.pace S.hip Earths WHEREFORE:

Vote:
DEATH TO THEOCRACY! & DEATH To MONARCHY!

[THIS] Planet needs a Modern NAPOLEONic!

YE ain't seen nothin Yet!

Forget the war efforts of G.W. Bush or W. Clinton or even B. H. OBAMA. Note: They are No NAPOLEON {pbuh et al], These Presidents are not Worthy of even Shining His Shoes {pbuh}.

Btw., Bloggersvilleusa, women are ordained as rabbis in Conservative, Reform, Reconstructionist, and Jewish Renewal Congregations.

The Torah is foundational in every branch of Judaism. At present, the Orthodox have a position in every way identical to rabbi, except that the woman may not lead a congregation.

Be that as it may, imams have been ordained in China, now in Canada, and elsewhere.

To say that a woman may not be an imam, a rabbi, a priest, or a minister is IDOLATRY.

JJ, it is going to get much, much worse in Israel. For one thing there is now this Tomb of Rachel affair. There is the fool Mr. Moon's failure to deal with the tens of thousands of arms in "Lebanon," even following the explosion of those Lebanese homes.

There is the belief as fact among the Haredi that Jews are being treated in Europe as they were pre and post Holocaust. How they came to this I don't know, but they believe it. And, of course, there are the Yemeni Jews, et al.

This swinging to religious extremism, I fervently believe, could have been avoided if the left had not tried so long and so hard to keep the people from knowing the facts of Palestinian and ME antisemitism. Now, everyone knows.

Add this to the endless negotiating under Clinton, the belief that peace was at hand, despite twice-weekly terror attacks, only to have it blow up in an intifada, and you have the current situation.

When you consider that Netanyahu was elected over the enormously popular Livni, the facts on the ground are hard to miss.

TEN months of no settlement building and nothing. Israel protecting the corrupt Fatah--it's insane.

The right will get stronger. Every time anyone pushes, they gain momentum. It's getting scary.

Bloggersvilleusa,

I don't go to Musselmen for Torah instruction.

Flake off.

A S I Z K, (the-Great)

i[WE], aka EKLAHt-i-ONs or HUUMATE-Apocalyptarians TODAY, Am a "PROUD-EX-JU" (Pre-Apocalyptic).

1[WE] Sincerely suggest that YE/YO become an ex-Ishlami//ex-Esuai or simply become an Ex-Preapocalyptic-OFF altogether. WHEREFORE

LET US SiNG, a NEW-SONG born'th from All our Old Songs. WE[i] art all born in MIRACLE Birth Awareness, never ever are Ye/Yo born'th in any Sin nor Curse nor Jinn or via any "Satanic-VersUS."

Dear Bredren, Brother.., Sisstar, Sister & those with more than "99 Name"s; FACT:

Talking about the-GREAT. But me want to talk more about the great [not Iran but of] PERSIAN KING CYRUS The Magnificent {pbuh} who Emancipated, not only like Abe Lincoln {pbuh et al} did for US Black-Slaves [Which ironicly was bought from ISHLAMi traiters by White Westerners i.e., Slavs, Anglo's..,

but all of todays real ABEic-JU' Ummah by how ever names WE give them; sames for Ishlami Ummah, Xristian-Ummah, Moroni-Ummah & also VEDic-HiNDU Ummah, Buddhist Ummah, SEHK-Ummah, TAO-Umah et al, So we can give them Labels not only Tattoo's. But

iMAGINE if The BABYLONIAN Empire of Iraqi's/Irani..areas today Never Imprisoned those JEW'S nor DESTROYED their 1st TEMPLE & 2nd-Temple by ROMULUS too?

QUESTION: WHAT would This Planet would've Look-like IF the 'Mixed-Multitudes' of JU's Was Not-stopped//not DEstroyed or IF the enslaved Sanhedrin-PELEG JU's Never was Emancipated by his Honorable King CYRUS the Great? So,

ME seriously think that if Ju's 1st Temple was not Destroyed and then Enslaved by BABYLONian's for 100's of Years, but Then Released into the World, When King Cyrus Should've never Let "MY PEOPLE GO"?

So, Today, like everyday is a birthday that, i[WE] are singing, "LET MY KAFIR's GO!" Me think IT's good that the ELDERS OF "JU-STATE" and Their Rabbinates" of Pre-Babylonia was STOPPED SPREADing "Fear/war & Great Terror"?

Irony, Today Those same Emancipated Babylonian JU's happen to somehow Have a 3rd-THIRD-TEMPLE Today for All The-World" to See & set-up a big Visiting Biz.

Today [wannabe Secular] ISRAEL, a 3rd-Temple, is trying to establish itself as a JU-STATE instead of a "SABRA-STATE" and operating in the "INSTEAD OF CONSTITUTION" mode.

iMagine IF, unlike-Hitler, that the PASHA's or POSHA's of ishlami OTTOMAN-TURK Sultinates or their Emirates et al Never Rose up against the West and IF Islam Never've Exacted a DHIMMITUDE or (like Apartheid), Jyzyat tax on the KAFIR(s) UMMAH (None Ishlam//Esau-ites and Isral-ites) folks in Conquerable Kafir Landa's?? .

iMagine if the BRITISH empire, A new Babylon Alliance iduring WorldWar 1(+/-) Did Not Stop the ABE-Nation of-ISLAMI's, Not JU's, via TURKEY et al?? Where wouldv Islam Been, in AMERICA 1st? Oye...!

Now, al Ishlami's Unite with "KAFIR" WEapons [Fact: Islami Ummah per-Capita Have The Lowest I.Q. on S.pace-S.hip Earth] so ISLM copy-Cat Kafir like they JEALOUSLY did via someone Elses ABE Story & yell "THEFT"??

Responses to FarnazMansouri2:

FarnazMansouri2:

"Do jewish women lead men in prayers in viloation of the Torah??" Jewish women have been serving as rabbis for forty years.

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Answer: If the question is whether they are following the Torah, the clear answer is no. No Torah-true Jewish congregation allows it. Reform Yahudis allow it, but by their own admission they regard the Torah as nothing more than a cultural artifact.
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FarnazMansouri2:

In secular nations, religions either keep up with human rights advances or those religions die.

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Answer: The whole history of secular nations has been that either they keep up with Islam or those nations pass away, just as is happening even now to the US. Search for the Soviet Union that oppressed Muslims throughout Russia, Central Asia and Afghanistan and you will find it in the dustbin of history. As for human rights "advances", it took almost 1400 years after Surah Mumtahinah before the Geneva Convention finally outlawed ethnic cleansing.
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FarnazMansouri2:

Tolerance for wife-beating, for example, is at an all time low in the US. That is the case regardless of whether Jews, Christians, or muslims are the abusers.

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Answer: Is that some kind of sick joke? Wife-beating in the US continues to post outrageous new highs every year. The current figure for the United States is one woman assaulted every nine seconds, four women murdered 24/7.
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Farnaz Mansouri is not Arabic. But then neither are you, evidently.

The perpetual theme of Muslim as righteous victim is wearying, particularly in light of the Yemeni, Syrian, Iraqi, Iranian, Egyptian, Morroccan, etc., Jews, Christians, and in some cases Bh'ai. And let us not forget HIndus.

Excuses and bs of every kind won't change that.

If you gave a darn about Palestinians then you would be directing your attention to Egypt where they cannot attend Egyptian schools. And they are Egyptian.

You would pay attention to Saudi ARabia where they are believed to be "unclean."

You would pay attention to Jordan where they are treated as second class citizens though in the majority.
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In fact, Muslims are killed daily in Kasmir, where to some extent there cause is just.

Some were killed last week. Interesting that INdian HIndus are speaking out about this, whilst you busy yourself with Jew-bating.

Yemen?

The 3 million Jews in exile?

And the issue of female imams? As I wrote earlier, the notion that rabbis, imams, priests, ministers cannot be clerics is idolatry.

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Do you want me to provide a list of books written by Muslims on the dangers of Islam?

There is no game you can play that I cannot play as well, if not better.

Farnaz---Mansouri2 (An Arabic sounding name!!! for an Arab hating racist)...

Clearly u don't have the moral courage to deal with the unprecedented tragedy u jews inflicted and continue to inflict on the Palestinian People:

Eleven Million of them and thier homeland which have stolen and continue to ethnically cleanse them from it as we sepak:Palestine...Palestine..and the six million exiled Palestinians by alien jews and 5.5 million Palestinains presently occupied by your alien jews in Arab historic Palestine..

Do u now get it???

The "jew as a victim" is a tired and exhuasted tale no longer beleived by any one including many jews....

Did u read the books:"The Holocaust Industry" and "The invention of the jewish people"??? Read them and come to terms with objective truth...

Azisk, all you are doing is embarrassing yourself.

What do you mean, "once a jew, always a jew"?

Why did you lie about the Yemeni Jews and then try to ignore them? And what about the Iranian Christians?

And what of Ismael, and the three million of us in exile, the murders, our property, etc.

Anything to avoid the issues, eh? But you won't get off so easy.

I am not like you. I will not stoop to name-calling. Also, it's unproductive, will get us nowhere.

And the issue of female imams? As I wrote earlier, the notion that rabbis, imams, priests, ministers cannot be clerics is idolatry.

Once a jew always a jew:U keep focusing on and inventing distractions to evade the issue:The sixty three old Human Tragedy and Plight of the Palestinain People,Elevn Million of them,craeted by jewish violence and terrorism (jewish terrorist gangs:hagana,shtern,irgun...etc)...

...See the fair-minded and honest jewish author:Illan Pappe's book :"The Ethnic Cleansing of PAlestine."

Again face the truth about what u jews have and continue to do to the 11 million Plaestinain People: what u should worry about if u have a grain of decency and humanity are the 5.5 million Palestinian People languishing in a dreadful and brutal jewish jail called occupied Arab Historic Palestine-including the besiged and starving 1.5 million Palestinian refugees in Aushwitz #2,Gaza.

U may call me bad names provided you jews stop murdering the Palestinian People and providd u alien occupiers leave PAlestine and go back to Russia and Poland...the sooner u do it the better...u still have your passports...

Calling me names would be a quantum leap in jewish behavior: Palestinains are used to jewish bullets,heavy artillary,phosphrate incindery bombs,torture,jails,breaking bones,point blank executions,starving and ethnic cleansing...what jews are doing to the PAlestinain People is worse than what the naziz did to the jews. But jews are not good students of history-they have never been...they always bite the hand that feeds them:Only Muslims in North Africa and Ottoman Turkey accomodated and welcomed jews fleeing the Catholic Inquisition.

Yemeni Jews

http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2009/02/19/66775.html
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There appear to be none left. The young widow of the murdered man (left alone with nine children) insisted on arrest and trial, refused 25,000 in blood money--USD--a fortune in Yemen.

She went to the pig's trial. Another nightmare.

Use google.

A Sizk,

I'm not going to call you names. However, the plight of Yemeni Jews came to the world's attention just a few months ago, when one of their number was told to "Convert or die," and was murdered in the streets.

This brought an end to an ancient civilization dating back over three thousand years. The Yemeni Jews are extremely innocent, even by Islamic standards.

MOst of them are rural. Before a few months ago, they had never been in a plane.

When the rescue of the Yemeni Jews began there were only five hundred remaining, islamists having driven out the thousands who had settled their thousands of years ago.

And as for the name-calling, I did not murder Ismael, you did. Your IRG friends murdered him. I beat one of you animal friends with my fists. That is how Ismael's blood got on my clothes.

I was nine.

FarnazMansouri2,

U still get really unnerved when u even smell the Truth or see it passing u by!!

As a zionist racist jew u are free to do what u like with your outdated and anchronistic torah-but please leave Islam alone....for good.

yemni jews are full-fledged citizens and have been living peacefully in Yemen since the Queen Sheba;what u should worry about if u have a grain of decency and humanity are the 5.5 million Palestinian People languishing in a dreadful and brutal jewish jail called occupied Arab Historic Palestine-including the besiged and starving 1.5 million Palestinian refugees in Aushwitz #2,Gaza.

The notion that only a man can be an imam, priest, rabbi, minister is IDOLATRY.

Pamela,
U misquoted the follwoing because Um Waraqa was meant to lead women and children in prayers because all male adults had gone to jhad. So u clearly misquoted the follwing:

"Second, this is, I believe, an Islamic right. The Prophet commanded Um Waraqa to lead the people of her area in prayers...etc..."

How are you A Sizkk?

Btw., women are becoming imams just as they have become rabbis.

Live with it.

What about the murdered Yemeni Jews? What about the three million Jews in exile from their Middle East homelands?

What about our stolen property? What about our murdered friends and families?

What about our family friend Ismael murdered in front of me, dragged out of our home and murdered in front of me when I was a girl? His blood spattered on my clothes.

Word to muslims: Return Ismael's body to his family and to us. We want to bury him.

yemni jews? what about them?

What about the devastated Palestinian People-eleven million of them:six million are still languishing in refugee camps since jewish terrorist gangs ethnically cleansed them by systematic violence in 1947/8 and occupied 78% of their ancestoral homeland:PAlestine;and the remaining 5.5 million Plaestinians enduring a brutal apartheid jewish military occupation since 1947/8 and 1967?

There are over eleven thousand Palestinian men,women,children and infants (yes infants because jews jailed expecting Palestinian women) languishng in jewish jails:their crime is resisting alein jewish occupation-the longest in modern history financed at US taxpayers expense.

One jewish illegal armed settler only is jaild in Gaza for war crimes against its people.

salero21,
Stoning women?? Where? Can u give the names,addresses,dates and states where these women are stoned?

Jewish law stoning women has been there for severl thousand years-yet no one talk about it.

Those who genuinely sympathize with Muslim women should speak louder to the racist apartheid jewish entity occupying all of Arab Historic Palestine and demand the realse of thousands of Palestinian women in its jails,or help the untold number of starving Palestinian refugee women and their infants in Gaza-or help a couple of million Iraqi refugee women and their children as a result of GWB's curusade on Iraq.

Just too much hypocricy on earth.

"Do jewish women lead men in prayers in viloation of the Torah??"

Jewish women have been serving as rabbis for forty years.

In secular nations, religions either keep up with human rights advances or those religions die.

Tolerance for wife-beating, for example, is at an all time low in the US. That is the case regardless of whether Jews, Christians, or muslims are the abusers.

There are female imams in China and the issue is coming under discussion among Muslims worldwide:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128628514

First Canadian imam:

http://hubpages.com/hub/The-First-Canadian-Female-Imam-Leads-a-Prayer-in-a-Uk-Mosque

Do a bit of research before posting, next time, Pam.

Still waiting to hear from you on the Yemeni Jews, the ninety Christians just murdered in an Iranian church, etc.

Regards.

Pamela,
Muslim women can and are leaders at the highest levels:they were prime ministers in Turkey, Pakistan,Bangladish and the preisdent of the largest Muslim nation in the world. They are queens,cabinet ministers,presidents of universities,professors,doctors...lawyers,
MP's and senators, writers,
governers and judges.

There are many women who are jurists (Doctors of the Law-Shariah) too.

Nothing in Islam prevents women from relaizing their potential in all walks of life.

On women leading in prayer:it is not really illegal and it has never been done ever for a very simple reason:modesty. So a woman does not have to prostrate before a group of men-that is all.

U are just blowing this minute issue out of proporation and trating it as a leadership issue which is absolutely not. Go ahead and show us your leadership qualities in comabting the frenzy of Islamophobia and bigtory against American Muslims in America and Europe. Show us yoyr leadership on the hundreds of thousands of incarcerated Palestinian woemn in jewis apartheid jails-or IRaqi refugee women.

A woman leading in prayers is a non-issue.

Am afraid u are inventing a distorted Islam to fit your size as u did when u falsely claimed that Islam condones homosexulity and accomodates gays.

I still challenge u once more to get a legal opinion from Al Azhar or any resepctable leading Islamic institution both on gays and u leading in pryers. Islam is not the Catholic Church in midieval times that needs a Martin Luther:Islam has always been progressive and innovative thru the great institution of Ijtihad.

Unlike Christianity but like Judaism (The Law/Torah),Islam has the Shariah/Law which goverens the Islamic Way of Life including rituals/worship which are fixed for a good reason:to give stabbility and tranquality to Muslim life.

Do jewish women lead men in prayers in viloation of the Torah??

What are the basis of your Ijtihad on jays and on leading prayers? Or are u looking for publicity so u like a hero and a reformer?

I strongly suggest you re-consider your ill-advised move to lead prayers if u really are praying for God-and not publicity and notority.

Pamela,

Happy Eid ul Adha. It's on Tuesday over here.

Yes, Muslim women can be doctors, lawyers, scientists, bankers (conventional and Islamic), kadis, enter politics etc. but most Muslim men can't seem to let Muslim women be Muftis and imams in mixed gender prayers as yet. They'd rather be stoned to death than let us, or, more apt, to stone us for it.

I'm thinking if they allready let us be kadis, then, to get women on the National Fatwa Council. Being on fatwa councils and having more ustazahs is more important than women being imams for mixed gender prayers now.

You know as well as I do that it is not easy to take "power" away from those who insisted it is God given to them, but to persuade them it is consultative for consensus in line with shared responsibility for collective good.

Not all Muslim men are unreasonable on that. But of course, only if they are politically, economically and socially secure apart from being educated, and yes, truly Islamic to be just, advance and protect the rights of women, children and the aged, be they Muslims or not.

Best regards

*Can a Muslim woman lead prayer service?*

No.It's Impossible in terms of Submission Teaching and 1400 year-old tradition.

Because,according to islam ideology;

-Woman is Second Class Citizen.Woman Imam is against Desert Order Hierarchy and it's an Insult to Males who hate from woman's hair.
-Book of Allah which is revealed by Preety Wingy Thingy Gabriel to Unlettered Man as Read says *Allah has made some of them to excel(superior) others* 4.34 It absolutely means *Man excels Woman*
-The Book(there is only One Book,others are not books.The others were doctored and corrupted,only muslims know this reality,namely Lie of Bedouin is the only Right) describes woman as Filthy Creature.COW chapter writes *They ask you about Menstruation.Say,it's Pollution* 2.222
-Mentality of Two Women equals One Man rejects Woman-Man Equality.

Conclusion: Woman Imam is an American Woman Fantasy and has no any ideological(islamic) base.

It really doesn't matter WHO leads the "Eid Prayer" on Tuesday, because Eid isn't until Wednesday. Fools ...

Nice going Pamela! And how are your other pet projects going? I know you're a big fan of re-writing the Quran to suit your bosses at PNAC, are you also gonna talk about how Islamic it is to be lesbian and gay in your sermon? and while you're at it would you also preach from your pulpit that those muslims resisting america and Israel are going to hell. The layers are coming off you one by one Pamela. Your treachery and deceit gets clearer with every article you post on Islam.

Can a Muslim woman lead prayer services?

Of course. But she really should wear stilettos and minishorts, like in the AltMuslimah column.

All those women's who are convinced of women equality either have left the Muslim societies or are closet apostates. The strangest phenomenon is that women who grew up in the liberated societies of the West seem to drop the equality notion the minute they cover their heads. Many of those, though, go through the motions simply because they marry practicing Muslims and that is the price to pay to keep their marriages. It is much easier for women like Pamela to preach equality of women because the society she lives in believes in it and practices it. She must be ready to face an outrage by those men who wish to maintain their dominance and could quote "sacred" texts to back their claims.

Pamela,
Your prophet was a sick man, islam is his religion in that women are simply child bearers and men satisfiers. The reason women don't lead prayers is because it is distracting for the men folk behind them. Islam’s insistence of covering women in the name of modesty cause muslim men to be un-natural. Males will stain their prayer garments and hence Allah will cease listening to their prayers. I am not making this up. When a woman leading the prayers goes down in sijda with her fanny in the air it will cause distraction to the praying males. So, please refrain from leading the prayers and go to the back row behind the men, or better in that separate room for women to pray in. I'm sure there is a hadith or something to verify what I just wrote.

More power to you though! You go Girl!

Salero -- the point is that these things are unislamic, and a lot of people think we ought to focus on those first. I believe that women's leadership in the mosque can help address all those issues, though clearly they need individual focus as well.

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Well, I'm no Muslim but the statement that "women get stoned for adultery while the men goes scot-free?", really caught my attention. Lest also the other about domestic violence.

A good point in the differences between Islam and the Mosaic Law in the Holy Scriptures. Where both, the Man and the woman were to be equally penalized, and rapist were also penalized with the death penalty.

If that is the so called sharia law! It certainly ought to be rejected by ours, any and all societies, that presume of being Just and fair.

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