Where do Obama's loyalties lie?

All of the laws regarding abortion are and were in place, set by the courts and legislatures, before Obama became President. President Obama is no more repsonbible for the state of legal abortion in the United States than is for the color of his skin. So why not just be honest, and state plainly, your real complaint with him.

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"To me, the president's faith matters most when I begin to suspect he's putting it on for show. When a man's own words and actions fail to match p with his professed beliefs, I think every American citizen can and should ask the legitimate question: President Obama, where do your loyalties lie?"

This is absurd. Amid all the bluster about the president's religious orientation--and ESPECIALLY after reading Ms. Bean's nonsense--I suffer flashbacks of many previous presidents marching to and from church, Bibles in hand and dressed to the nines. They flourished the Christian banner like a party streamer and led sanctimonious prayer services despite all their dishonorable and hateful acts. Uber-liars (even by politicians' standards), womanizers, greed mongers, bigots and war criminals...

I ask my own legitimate question: who was *truly* putting on a show?

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Dear Danielle,
Your courage is inspiring. Thank you for offering your opinions and analysis in this public space knowing that doing so would subject you to criticism and personal attack. Even if someone disagrees with your position, they should be able to express themselves to you in a respectful manner. The comments in response to your article are some of the most hateful I have ever seen on-line. I am so dismayed at the state of public discourse in this country. You are a braver woman than I for joining in!

On the factual errors and absurd reasoning of this panelist I posted below.

Now, I would like to ask her a question. She asks, "Where do Obama's Loyalties Lie"?

On this despicable title, I will not comment.
Rather, I will pose a question: Where do your loyalties lie, Ms. Bean?

If you don't respect our understanding of rights and the privacy of conscience, move to the Vatican.

Have we forgotten that Beck is a hater, maniac, demagogue, and liar?

Just before we go any further with this.

""Our president's faith matters because it gives us a look into the kind of man he is, and the kind he would like to be.""

It might if you bothered to look.

Or listen to what he says he thinks his religion (which is not mine) is about... When he speaks in detail on the matter..

""When a man who claims to be Christian mocks those who "cling to their guns and religion," his words give me pause.""

Hey, Christianists let slip sexist, racist, homophobic, and other such 'gaffes' in moments of candor.

But, actually, if Obama's statement there happened to be *impolitic,* it was by no means unfair or untrue.

One might think better of both guns *and* religion than to get offended if someone says you're *clinging* to the things.

Cause he was right. On both counts.

If your religious politics are no bette, don't blame the unshielded mike and later interpretations thereof.

Fact is, to many *do* *cling to gunns and religion.* It's not about the guns or religion, though, it's about the *clinging.*

Why do you think this very forum was fainting all over Glenn Beck this week.

That offhand comment may have provoked great indignance, but that doesn't make it untrue.

Maybe it *should8 give you pause, now that you bring it up.

""Our president's faith matters because it gives us a look into the kind of man he is, and the kind he would like to be.""

It might if you bothered to look.

Or listen to what he says he thinks his religion (which is not mine) is about... When he speaks in detail on the matter..

""When a man who claims to be Christian mocks those who "cling to their guns and religion," his words give me pause.""

Hey, Christianists let slip sexist, racist, homophobic, and other such 'gaffes' in moments of candor.

But, actually, if Obama's statement there happened to be *impolitic,* it was by no means unfair or untrue.

One might think better of both guns *and* religion than to get offended if someone says you're *clinging* to the things.

Cause he was right. On both counts.

If your religious politics are no bette, don't blame the unshielded mike and later interpretations thereof.

Fact is, to many *do* *cling to gunns and religion.* It's not about the guns or religion, though, it's about the *clinging.*

Why do you think this very forum was fainting all over Glenn Beck this week.

ccook4, not disagreeing with you. Nothing more would I like to see than ALOT less women having abortions, with more support for other options, and a large reduction in unintended pregnancies. But I also believe making abortions illegal will not get us to that point. I also believe that choice is the woman's, not anyone else's choice. It is an unfortunate pitting of one vs the other.

"I get it, abortion is not what we want. The alternative of millions of women giving birth to children they do not want is acceptable? you don't think this will magnify other social ills? Outright ban on abortion will only make your conscience feel good."

Umm... killing human beings in the womb vs. a woman having to deliver her baby under difficult circumstances. Is there really an equal moral comparison there? If the fetus is human, there isn't. It's murder. And don't tell me there's no one working to help women in difficult circumstances- my experience with pro-life Americans across the board has been that they care deeply about what these women go through and want to actually provide them with the choice of keeping (or adopting) their babies instead of counseling them to undergo the emotionally and physically wrenching procedure that abortion is.

"There is nothing remotely Christian about supporting the legalized slaughter of unborn human beings for all nine months of pregnancy and even opposing legislation that would require basic medical care be given to those helpless infants accidentally "born alive" after botched abortions.)

I get it, abortion is not what we want. The alternative of millions of women giving birth to children they do not want is acceptable? you don't think this will magnify other social ills? Outright ban on abortion will only make your conscience feel good. It doesn't address the true issues. AND PLEASE Can we get over the opposing legislation bit on helping the "born alive", that piece of legislation did absolutly nothing more than laws already on the books. It was just a great way to for certain politicians to pretend that they were "holier than thou".

"When a man who claims to be Christian mocks those who "cling to their guns and religion," his words give me pause."

No pause for me. This describes Islamic extremists as well. I always thought Jesus was supposed to be a man of peace.

"When a man who claims to be Christian embraces such messianic titles as "the One" and has the audacity to claim that "we are the ones we've been waiting for," I don't hear a Christian speaking. I hear a proponent of the "Religion of Me."

LOL, as others have said, that title was bestowed by political opponents, and never embraced. We are the ones means we have to stop waiting for someone else to step up and miraculously solve our problems. We need to do it, maybe it's a call for a unified (but not by belief in a specific religion) "Religion of WE" as opposed to us vs them.

I find it very interesting how mean-spirited and angry these comments are against Mrs. Bean and all she stands for by way of her writing and living out her faith...it's also interesting how kind, humble, and Christ-like comments are in support of her and what the Catholic faith teaches, which she obviously supports...what message does that send? Its funny how those against her beliefs have to put her down and be so critical instead of finding a kind way to articulate other opinions...wonder why that is??? Danielle, you are right on the money! God bless you!!!

I would like to know why it is so difficult for this blog to find intelligent, informed Catholics to write. Why are readers stuck with the likes of this writer and Stevens-Arroy?

This column is intellectually embarrassing. The author does nothing to support her position, in fact, everything to sabotage it.

Obama never embraced the offensive Republican "the One" attack. How could he?

The president's commitment to secular democracy must, indeed, give us pause, as the writer suggests. We must pause and ask why if he so honors the constitution he persists in these primitive faithy initiatives?

However, it could be and has been worse. George Bush adhered to the author's party line. Jesus Christ, he said, told him to genocide Iraq. Gun-toting Christians.

As for John F. Kennedy--the Kennedys of his generation of that which followed were/are not the kind of Catholics this misguided blogger is.

'I Believe in an America Where the Separation of Church and State is Absolute'

--John F. Kennedy, 1960

What stupid blather. Where do your loyalties lie? I don't believe you are a christian. You show no humility as Jesus demonstrated over and over again.

Seriously enough already. Someone who invokes God then proceeds to destroy two countries without cause is a hell of a lot more dangerous than one who "isn't registered" with a local church. The religious right and more right wingers in general are hanging off a side of a cliff, doing and saying anything to claw their way back up. Please let's kick those war-mongering, fear pandering, hypocrites down so we can keep this country on the right track. Thanks

Over 50 years ago I heard a member of my mother's church (evangelical baptist) bitterly criticize my uncle (a Presbyterian minister) for referring to the Pope as "our good Christian brother". Some people then believed that Catholics would place obedience to the Pope above their allegiance to this country and that it was extremely dangerous to elect a Catholic President.

That type of bigotry drove me away from my mother's church and in fact from churches and Christianity. My family now are C and E Catholics; my son went to a Catholic high school and got a great education and I think a sense of values. My only regret about the Catholic high school is that it was all male and my daughter couldn't go there.

Before Mrs.Bean judges the Christianity of others, she might read the gospel. As you judge, so will you be judged.

The Catholic magisterium determines what this writer believes. However, there are plenty of religions that do not view conception as the equivalent of personhood. Opinions about when life begins differ among religious thinkers. For those not tied to religion there are also differing opinions.
But for her to question the sincerity of Obama's Christianity because he differs from her on abortion is insulting to the rest of us who share Obama's view.
Beyond her sectarian attack on Obama, I also wonder what she hints at when she asks "Where do your loyalties lie?" Now we are going from moral theology into politics.
The courts and the citizens of America believe that abortion is a woman's right to decide, not a matter to be suppressed by institutional religious views. Let's pray it remains that way.

Are you kidding me? Danielle is neglecting her 8 children because she writes an occasional article? That is really warped.

Danielle didn't say anything in support or in opposition to George W Bush. She is commenting solely on Obama. That being said, compare the number of deaths caused by the Iraq war with the number of babies' lives lost to abortion, and there is no comparison.

Hey Danielle. Can you tell me what God Bush was praying to when he decided to start the war in Iraq.

I don't see how that war can be seen as a blessing.

Or was it the devil he was praying to because he started a war based on known lies. Caused the death of hundreds of thousands and caused millions in our country to lose their income.

Did you pray for Bush to win the Presidency. Or was it the devil because he sure did destroy our country.

To me,a person's faith matters most when I begin to suspect she's putting it on for show. When a woman's own words and actions fail to match up with her professed beliefs, I think every American citizen can and should ask the legitimate question:

Danielle Bean, where do your loyalties lie?

"When a man who claims to be Christian embraces such messianic titles as "the One" and has the audacity to claim that "we are the ones we've been waiting for," I don't hear a Christian speaking."

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When did Obama embrace the term "the One"? That was a term that the right used to mock him and his supporters. He never used the term for himself; hence the author is lying and therefore not a Christian in my eyes.

And when he's saying "we are the ones we've been waiting for", it's just another way of saying the Lord helps those who help themselves--not a bible quote, but one that I've heard from Christians.

Of course, if we look at the bible, we know that Jesus told us (Matthew 7), that we should be more concerned with our own moral failings than with the sins or shortcomings of others. Again, the author has revealed her non-Christian attitude.

By the way, all of this questioning and challenging of the President's faith reminds me of al Qaeda's use of "takfir". Basically, you challenge someone's religious belief, declare that they are not "true believers", and then you are free to do what you want to that person. For some reason, the radical right (a redundant phrase these days) is more comfortable demonizing and dehumanizing the president--painting him as some kind of foreign born Muslim, or at least non-Christian--than taking on the issues, proposing alternatives, or planning for the future.

Danielle Bean must be one of those who believe that life begins at conception and ends at birth. We get it, you're opposed to abortion. But get real, there are other issues for a "Christian" to care about. How about war, poverty, injustice, you know, stuff Jesus cared about.

When Obama wrote his memoirs, and discussed his feelings of being drawn to Christianity, of the Holy Spirit working in his life, when he was baptised a Christian--these were all moves that one must hope were sincere, not designed to be politically pleasing to other believers in this country. His published works started this conversation, and anyone that wants to continue it is not a religious freak. All citizens have a right to know what motivates our president and where his treasure lies.

So, is there a reaction to Bush's attack on Iraq? It was unprovoked and unjustified. It caused hundreds of thousands of deaths, and created millions of refugees.

All while Bush was declaring his adherence to 'Christian' principles, and to the loud cheers of 'Christians' such as Bean. And I am leaving aside Bush's silence when the Israelis shot at churches (in 2001 for those with short memories).

Somehow, the passion of 'Christians' such as Bean seems to be politically motivated. It is not based on religious or other moral principles.

Now you did it! You questioned The Chosen One. Don't forget that false prophets also have false followers. Apparently some of them have internet access. I expect the comments to get more and more vitriolic. That's how they react when you question their idol.

I agree entirely with schnauzer21 above. The reason Obama has had to proclaim his Christianity time and again is because people demand it of him. While you are certainly at liberty to define your own Christianity by cherry picking what you personally deem important, please extend to our President the same courtesy. There are many Christians (including clergy) who believe in the freedom of a woman to choose abortion. There are many Christians who also believe that certain Americans cling to guns and religion because they live in fear (myself among them). The only people who call Obama "The One" are Republicans, and they do it derisively, while also interestingly enough deifying Reagan at the same time.

Interestingly enough, there have always been a huge number of Christians who believe in interfaith dialogue, providing care and solace to the sick and the poor - not just the unborn, trying to bring an end to war, etc. In fact, in my reading of the Bible (I won't say the "Holy" Bible, because frankly I think that's yet more pious chest thumping "Partriot"34), Jesus himself was pretty explicit in his support for all of these, and had precious little to say about abortion or guns (or the equivalent of the day).

Once again the post has sunk to a new low. This woman is an idiot and she represents the lowest common denominator of not only Americans but of all human beings. The president became a christian because his wife was christian. Neither of his parents participated in any of the sham religions that exist and were no more than agnostics if not atheists. This woman has bred eight children. She should be tending to her brood rather than writing absurd essays. Where do HER loyalties lie? What kind of mother spends time writing with eight children. She must be a bad mother since she spends here time writing idiot catholic rantings! The only possible conclusion is that her loyalties lie with the catholic church and not with her own children. May this woman go to the hell in which she obviously believes. And may she be arrested for child neglect!

Good question, Ms. Bean and good blog.

I also don't know for sure if Obama is a Christian because his actions belie his proclamations.

It doesn't matter to me what a President's religion is as long as it doesn't interfere with his decision-making as President and as long as he treats all religions fairly and without favoritism to his own.

With that said, actions speak louder than words.

Obama has cancelled the Annual Prayer Breakfasts both years while holding Ramadan dinners both years.

Obama had stated before becoming President that he and his family don't celebrate Christmas or give their children gifts. He said because they get gifts all year long.

Rev. Wright's church also has practicing Muslims as church members which isn't widely known by the general public. That would be reasonable because of Obama's close ties to Farrakhan who happens to be a neighbor of Obama's in Hyde Park. Also, Michelle Obama before her husband was President attended functions with Farrakhan's wife. I've seen pictures of them together.

His overzealous outreach to the Muslim community while shunning other religions.

Obama never registered in a DC church since taking Office.

Obama's closest friends in college and in Chicago were of the Muslim faith.

Since Obama won't reveal his personal records such as his college apps, transcripts, medical records, school enrollment applications and reports, etc., he may not want revealed his true religious beliefs.

What and why is Obama hiding this from US citizens?

Quote from above - "Everything publicly known about our President indicates that he has Christian beliefs"

This is untrue. The fact is, when this president quotes from the Bible, which is rare, he does so with a tone of derision, and never says the "Holy" Bible. More frequent are his quotes from what he does call, the "Holy" Qur'an. This president also cancelled any white house activities on the national day of prayer because he didn't want to offend anyone, but then turned right around and hosted a white house event for ramadan.

These are not the actions of a true Christian. He may not be a practicing muslim, but he certainly does demonstrate more loyalties to them.

Proof, Mrs. Bean, proof. Your opinion is not fact based. Everything publicly known about our President indicates that he has Christian beliefs. Proof, Mrs. Bean...because your opinion is derisive and contributes nothing to the wellness of our country. Perhaps you should go home and continue to help over populate the planet...what it seems you do best.

The whole reason politicians have to "put it on for show" is that you religious nuts can't understand that a person can be a good, caring, able person without some irrational loyalty to YOUR god. It is very sad and disheartening that even countries that have an official state religion care less about the actual faith and church attendance of thier leaders than Americans. This is what is wrong with our country. People are not elected because they are capable, they are elected because you assume they are the better candidate because they make a good show of going to church.