It's the imam, not the mosque

The recent Post article, NYC Panel Clears the Way for Mosque at Ground Zero, ties in nicely with Jordan's article here, and is enlightening, as the writers give us the irony of reassurance. We are reminded from Zead Ramadon, president of the board of the New York chapter of the council on American-Islam relations, that Islam is "a religion of peace and justice." For some that may well be true; however, all Muslims are apparently not created equal, just as all people of any faith, Christians included, or all people of any race, cannot be judged collectively.
The writers further noted the nonchalant attitude among landmark officials concerning themselves with architectural details for the proposed mosque, in contrast with grim signs being held up in silent protest from troubled American citizens which served as stark reminders of the 3,000 murders associated with 9/11..
Referring to the proposed mosque, Oz Sultan as Park 51 spokesman, is quoted as saying, "It's going to be something that fits in with the New York skyline." Perhaps crop circles would fit in nicely also. Translation: the aerial view of this enormous mosque looks dominant, a profoundly significant aerial symbol, more like something from a foreign country, not part and parcel of the American skyline.
I think the real reassurance of the day arrived with the news of the American Center for Law and Justice, the decision of their attorneys, their perseverance in this highly sensitive matter, and in their knowledge of the law. Yes, it is constitutional law, which is what made our great country strong. One of the great strengths of our American judicial system of justice is the right to appeal a decision. A moral majority of American citizens of mixed faiths, not just Christians, have spoken across America of their collective objections to the proposed site for the proposed mosque.
God bless America, and those amongst the United States who truly walk and live in peace. My prayer is that Ground Zero will rest in peace, not cause our country further distress.

It's extremely heartening to see so many people share here so eloquently, especially the rock-solid case against this insanity, much better than I could have. It's bigger than this mosque/imam, but the evidence specifically in this case bears bold witness to the larger picture, IF we are willing to see. Follow the facts & the money,... to the truth. Just to be clear, this has absolutely nothing, ZERO, to do with fear. We fear not, as G-D has assured us. As much as is possible, in as much as it is up to us, we seek to live in peace with all our neighbors. The only hatred here is the evil hatred that fueled the cowardly horrific acts of war on 9/11. Those attacks were on our entire nation, against EVERY single citizen of this country, & not just every single precious life lost, & every one of their families & friends, & all of the brave heroes of the day & the awful aftermath, every citizen of N.Y., those at the Pentagon, in Pennsylvania, & those who came from everywhere across the country, but against us ALL. Because we know from HIM that but for HIS Grace go we, the attacks were on each & every one of us, & we respond accordingly, as the first citizen heroes of Flight93 so bravely demonstrated. Our hearts have permanently memorialized those we lost, our law requires us to honor their sacred ground, & justice demands it. NO to THIS mosque/islamic center, & esp. this imam! NO Taqiyah! NO HUDNA! NOT NOW! NOT EVER!!!

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/023-violence.htm

Seems to me that this is a textbook case for condemnation of property per the 5th Amendment. There is clearly a "substantial public interest" here, to say the least, both in the local area, and further abroad. http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

It was said by someone that even the thought of this building a mosque on ground zero "stab hearts"! Here is my idea maybe we should make ground zero a historical ground site,so whatever landmark is built there can not be torn down. That way our posterity will no have this problem in the future. Thank you johnny hollis

To think that our Mayor and possibly
the next governor-Cuomo are for this
mosque is reprehensible to me.
Here you have Mr.Faisal who wrote a book
when translated into English basically
said the US are infidels and that we need
to remember this. Also,this man refuses
to say that Hamas and Hezbolleh are radical
muslims that want to wipe Israel and the
U.S.off the map.
This man also refuses to say where the
financing for this monstrosity is coming
from. His wife has dedicated 9/ll/ll as
the day of completion.
More importantly however,when an attack
is made by the Muslims they then build
a mosque to let the world know that they
are the conquerors. The mere fact that
they will name this mosque after the
Cordoba mosque is very telling. In Spain
in Cordoba they killed Christians and Jews
and then built their mosque on that same
grounds. This is exactly what they are
doing by desecrating the "cemetery where
3,000 Americans have lost their lives.
The body parts that couldn't be saved are
there and this is their resting place.
This would be for the family like visiting
their loved ones cemetary plots.
In my opinion this is a slap in the faces
of all who lost their lives from the
bombing of the WTC. This area should be
made into an historical site since history
was made there. At the very least,bring
into focus imminent domain. The government
is doing this all the time for their
own purposes.
Also,when Bloomberg says that America
is tolerant of all religions-he is right.
There are mosques all over NYC,never did
we fight them.
In Staten Island the residents of the
church ther were up in arms when the
Muslims wanted to build a mosque there that
would be bigger then their church and their
voices were heard-no more mosque-where
was the outrage from our Mayor?
Another way to look at this is this: If
we as Americans,catholics and jews wanted
to build a synagog or a church in
the Middle East-never happen. The Muslims
have the golden dome and no except Muslims
are allowed to set foot in that Mosque-
is that religious freedom?
This mosque is as bad as the Japanese wanting to build a memorial for themselves
at Pearl Harbor.
This is a no brainer-NO MOSQUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SM0RIN and GITRDONE

Well wake up and read carefully what I said and then go to my blog; You two are lazy leaders.

For the most part, the rest are just complainers and unlike me offer no alternative.

Again; I entreat each of you, . . . . to consider my suggested Alternative to the proposed '911 ground zero' Islamic Mosque @ http://natserim.blogspot.com/

I agree.
"Important issu"e, doesnt even begin to cover it.
Take a STAND!
A garden left unattended will grow weeds that eventually take over.... sound familiar?
I love my country, for it I take my stand.

What exactly does that mean, "Let your light shine before men..." when a hostile foreignor wants to erect a monument in your back yard to commemorate the slaughter of your family and friends at his hands. As I recall, when Jesus got ticked off, he got a cord and beat people out of His Father's house. If that's what you mean, I'm with you. If you're talkin puttin on a happy face, then no thanks. You too can sit down and enjoy the ride.

Again; I entreat each of you, . . . . to consider my suggested Alternative to the proposed '911 ground zero' Islamic Mosque @ http://natserim.blogspot.com/

We have an opportunity to be light to the world - a city on a hill.

How about we Trump Imam Feisal Rauf's Islamic Mosque plans for '911 Ground Zero?

In light of our Master 'Yeshua's command: "So then, let your light shine like this in front of the sons of man that they should see your works and they glorify good your father who is in heaven,"

What say you?

“The influence of Islam paralyzes the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world.” – Winston Churchill

We should not be ashamed, or labeled as racists, if we worry about ideologies that openly and vociferously seek to destroy our civilization and constitutional freedoms. It is not only a right, but also the duty of free people to speak against every ideology that threatens freedom. Our forefathers would be ashamed that those who speak out are vilified.

We need to ask ourselves whether Islam (not just fringe radicals) sanction the violence we are seeing perpetrated in the name of Allah around the world. And if we are honest then we must answer yes. The Koran, Haddiths, Sharia and Islamic history all show that Islam has a developed doctrine of theology and law that mandates violence against non-believers. Except for Mulsims fighting non-Muslims around the world the world is mostly at peace. Nearly every major conflict in the world today (Somalia, Bosnia, Chechnya, Sudan, Kashmir, Indonesia, Kosovo, Nigeria, Thailand, etc.) are Muslims beheading and amputating and torturing Christians and unbelievers in search of a global hegemony of Sharia law!

We should not at all be surprised by the modern day beheadings of Jews and Christians by Muslims. Muhammad, who is considered the perfect representation of human behavior in Islam, personally beheaded between 600-900 members of the Coriza tribe in Arabia. If the perfect prophet did it then it is the proper way for Muslims to behave, and Muslims today are simply following the example of the prophet. It's not radical to follow the prophet!

As to whether Islam is a religion of peace… the peaceful revelations of the Koran are limited to the time when the prophet was relatively powerless in his native city of Mecca. These revelations were abrogated and made null in later verses once Muhammad had become a powerful and wealthy warlord in Medina. In the last revealed (un-abrogated verses) the message is clear: Sura 9:5 “Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them… and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush.” Sura 5:33 “Those that wage war against Allah and his messenger… shall be killed or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off on opposite sides.” Sahih Al-Bukhari Vol 8, Book 82, Hadith 795 “The prophet cut off the hands and feet of the men belonging to the tribe of Uraina.”

Islam is a supremacist hate group that seeks, in the name of religious freedom, to destroy all remnants of freedom from Western civilization and other religions. How ironic that in the name of freedom of religion we are bending over backwards in support of Islam's mission to destroy those very ideals.

Our founding fathers would be shocked as to where this country is headed. Everything they fought for and all they believed in for our great country is going by the wayside. All our Christian beliefs are being disrespected. How many times do we have to turn the other cheek? All those people that died on 9/11 are being disrespected. We cannot allow this mosque to be built on hallowed ground. Have we forgotten that we have soldiers in Afganistan and Iraq fighting for us because of what happened on 9/11? If we let this mosque to be built, what message are we sending our soldiers? What about the soldiers that have died defending us against these extremists? How do you think they will feel when they come home and find that we let this happen? We just can't sit here and take anymore disrespect to us and our great country. What message are we sending to other countries? They are probably thinking "Hey, look at those stupid Americans, anybody can push them around and no one cares." Enough is enough, we have been pushed around for the last time. We need to make our voices heard and our forefathers proud and stand up for what they started and get America back to where she was. She was created on Christian beliefs and should remain that way. Stop pushing us around and say "NO!NO MORE!!" Make our soldiers proud and fight for them on our soil while they are fighting for us against terrorism. Remember why Ground Zero is there. Don't disrespect the people that died there and the people that continue to die because of what happened in New York on 9/11. Don't let this happen.

I will start by disclosing I am atheist originally from Iraq now living in Canada. I absolutely adore my adopted country for a whole lot of reasons, none more important than the separation of church and state.

I am frightened by the “tolerant” and “inclusive” attitude of many in U.S.A. and Canada. Why are we tolerant and inclusive of people who have a totally intolerant ideology? All the religions I have come to know are not very tolerant of a divergent believe; however none more so than Islam.

Please let us not be fooled by smoke and mirror of ideologies that are bent on suffocating our precious way of life. How many free and divergent views do you hear in Saudi Arabia, the heart of Islam? Could you find a church, a synagogue, a gay and lesbian bar, and so on in Saudi Arabia? You can extend the Saudi example to numerous countries that apply Islamic ideology in government.

In Islam, there is no such thing as separation fo state and religion. Islam is the way of life, PERIOD.

Allowing a mosque on Ground Zero is another manifestation of our ignorance of what Islam stands for and what the ultimate goal of this project is.

So much hate in these comments. It's a great time to be Muslim in America!

I'm shocked that this was even a consideration. This is a slap in the face to all who were victims of that horrible disaster of 911. I can only deduct that this is a deeply political move by "???".
God help us if this actually comes to be. Where has the United States of America that we all know and love gone?

No Mosque at Ground Zero! This is sacred ground! It is not to be profaned!

This Mosque is not a “peaceful” endeavor, but a political message by radical Islamist’s to defame and insult all Americans. It is a direct message of the conqueror. It directly mocks America, its people and its freedoms. It mocks our American troops fighting terrorism worldwide. And, it mocks specifically all those who died at ground zero at during the 9/11 terrorist attacks!

Islam is first and foremost a form of government. Second, it is a legal system and a set of societal laws, known as Sharia—which dictates all behaviors and actions within prescribe limits, including ones very thoughts! Third, anything else may be termed as a “Religion”. Under Sharia Law, all non-Muslims (Christians, Jews, and all others) are nothing but second class citizens, who may be totally excluded without any political voice, nor have the Rights of “Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness,” period! In this view, Sharia law is Supreme, above all laws, including US Constitutional Law, International Law, Natural Law, or even those Inalienable Rights endowed by the Creator.

When Muslims say their God “is Great!”,it is not what most Americans think, but basically means “is Greater”—“Supplants all”, “Supersedes all”, “Conquers all” and is the highest, tallest, heads above all, in religious buildings, including the Twin Towers!

Symbols are important! Symbols are life and death! This mosque must not be built!

Unlike probably many of these posters, including Mr. Gingrich himself, I have visited Ground Zero when I was in New York. What I find offensive is not that a group of Muslims wants to put a mosque two blocks away, but that there are dozens of hucksters selling cheap, Chinese-made plastic mementoes of 9/11 every 50 feet. Although I understand that these "entrepeneurs" have been banned from the site since I was last in NYC, they're still hanging around the edges, looking to make a quick buck off of the tourists. Why is nobody complaining about this? If Ground Zero is so sacred, why aren't Newt Gingich and Sarah Palin complaining about the moneychangers in the Temple?

BTW, I think that the couple of times that Ms. Palin visited New York, I think she just stuck to the sacred ground of Macys, Bloomingdales, and Saks Fifth Avenue. Other than taking her daughters to that other temple of excess, Yankee Stadium.

The blood of all those murdered in the 9/11 attacks cries out for justice. Let us make sure their deaths were not in vain. Construction of a mosque at ground zero is an insult and a slap in the face to those murdered and to those who survived 9/11.

Rather that build a mosque why don't they take that money and set up a trust fund to help those who lost fathers, mothers, sons, daughters on 9/11, ----WAKE UP AMERICA

Building a mosque in NYC is an outrage. at Ground Zero -it's over the top! Wake up America. Tolerance does NOT mean that we have to tolerate terrorism on our soil. Do not believe that this is innocent... it's far from innocence. Radical Islamists are laughing at us as they plan to invade this country. We need to wake up and take a stand. Don't sit back and let this happen. This is NOT religion of peace. They plan to take over the world. We need to PRAY, PRAY, PRAY and TAKE A STAND against this MOSTROSITY!

Dear Sir,

As read above. I believe as a US Citizen that this Message from the imam would be in direct violation to our Constitutional Rights when concidering tampering with a "Grave Site." It is against the law of US to break the law of our Constitutional Freedom's to allow this mosque to be placed there. By the way, a mosque after much studying of this System, is nothing more than a system to take over the world. It is not a religion! It is time for Americans to Wake Up! Read and understand our Foundational Rights as US citizens and know there is a real enemy out there that disires to take over your country. Jesus Christ is the our Forefather's belief. It is "Freedom of Religion" not Freedom from Religion! Thanks Sekulow's for truly defending our Constitution! Christ came to set men Free! The Cross, His Holy Blood, His Resurrection! His soon return. John 3:16 For God so Loved the World that He gave His only begotten Son that whosever beleives in Him should not perish, but have Everlasting Life!" Some have a form of Godliness but deny the Power of the Precious Holy Spirit. Your choice, Hell or Heaven. Your system cannot save you only Jesus can! A loving neighbor,

US Citizen
Sincerely
Mr. Rosebush

I cannot believe that building this mosque at Ground Zero is even considered after what we as Americans went through on 9/11. How anyone in their right mind and who call themselves American could even consider something so wrong is simply beyond my imagination. It is like a slap in the face to all the Americans who died there. How could we as Americans possibly go along with such a horrifying idea. These Muslim's have to be laughing at how stupid we are to even consider such a thing.

Very bad taste and disgusts me. Do NOT build the mosque anywhere in the US!

Good day to all, and have a blessed one.
I believe first of all the NY Governor has sold his soul to the devil and that's why he has an interest in getting this in because of money and a position later on in a better seat!
As christians we need to understand that we are first Christians and then americans we need to stand up and fight for our rights enough is enough WE are being told to sit down in a way while we see our NATION UNDER GOD being destroyed one day at a time by these leaders who only have a self interest. Build a mosque in their vast land not here on American soil, this is an insult to the American people. Why even consider a Mosque where innocent american people (of all races and religions)died by these religious anti-american murderers ,They hate America therefore they hate Our foundation Christianity... No to the mosque.In Jesus name AMEN

I just want to add my support to the ideas and observations in this article. Considereing the events of 911 and the subsequest actions of radical islam, they are fortunate we will allow them to construct a mosque in the farthest corner of our counrty let alone at Ground Zero. America, please don't let this happen! No mosque there, not even within 100 miles.

Government has been organized to represent the people in matters of community and justice. When the government fails to represent those wishes, then it is time to change those in government. If the New York City council is immuned to the feelings of its citizens regarding the tragic deaths of so many of its residents, then I hope the residents of New York City will recall their elected officials. A council of elected officials living in the United States of America who has approved Park 51 has not done their job. New York citizens, remove those elected officials and show our country you will not tolerate their lack of judgment. In California, the residents of the City of Bell have taken to the streets to show their City Council you can not reject the wishes of the people. Follow their lead. City of Bell residents, we are proud of your stand.

This mosque like so many others is intended to be a symbol of conquest. It is simply and clearly AN ACT OF WAR. Not to mention a HUGE safety hazard...the citizens of our nation should sue the NYC mayor and city council for allowing this health hazard in our midst.

It was very painful to watch on Fox News, news, and read online articles describing that a mosque is being built on Ground Zero. First, the Islam terrorists leveled the buildings to kill Americans and make a point. Now they want to stake their "victory" by building their worship center on sacred American ground. Most Americans will agree that this is propoesterous and a slap in the face. Why is this being allowed to happen? We need to show peacefully that this mosque is not to be built. I do not know what we can do when our leaders will not listen to us. However, no matter how loud they will shout, they will NOT DROWN OUT THE VOICE OF THE PEOPLE!!! May God, Jesus Christ,not allah, BLESS AMERICA!

Islamic history has showed that the muslims always want to build a mosque at the site of an islamic victory such as they did many years ago in Israel (dome of the rock). This should not happen in the U.S.

I think most Americans have connected the proverbial dots. The pertinent issue, as Jordan Sekulow concludes here, is not that of building yet another mosque for peaceful Muslim citizens, the price alone dictates that something else is in the works. And then there is the location. Ground Zero. We know that peaceful people of faith were not involved with that horrific terror. This gives me the same sickening sensation that I felt, and so many Americans felt on 9/11... you just don't forget, cannot forget watching a horror story unfold before your eyes like that. Were we supposed to forget ? Human life means nothing ? Sorry, this indifference to terror, and true lack of respect for human life and dignity reminds me of a certain madman named Adolph Hitler.... Too many people remained silent, and deemed themselves powerless to stop him, and look what happened. The unthinkable. Hell on earth. Events have been unfolding like a sorry row of dominoes falling into place during the past few years in our country. Our own government suddenly indicates that we are not a Christian country? Since when? This announcement is highly troubling, because it could indicate opening a door to invite another faith to dominate our country. Declaring the U.S. as a country of mixed faiths sounds acceptable on the surface, yet this country was founded primarily on both Christianity, under God, and upon the Constitution. Racial profiling is not to be tolerated, is politically incorrect, ... O.K. and as it should be, yet what about the rest of us who are not Muslim? It appears that our current administration is catering to the Muslim people, first and foremost. What concern, if any, exists for others? I will not apologize for being a Christian, and there are many of us standing spiritually strong together in this country. Having read the comments here, I feel that I am far from alone in believing that Americans and Christians alike need to take a very strong stand for what is right for our country. We oppose the Ground Zero Mosque.
The Park 51 title doesn't fool Christians either, God shows us the intense presence of evil when we encounter it, hidden agendas, and the unvarnished truth. In knowing Him, we discern the difference. I'm not going to apologize for discerning the difference. No American or Christian American should. Nor should we feel afraid to express our opinions, that is part of the hidden agenda of what those behind 9/11 are hoping for.

The Mosque near ground zero is the problem, Not the Mosque being built !
Imam Fasial Abdullah Rauf is also the Problem...If He would not say where the funding is coming from, What is he Hiding??!!?? Seeing america being Sharia Compliant is also the problem...Here everyone has freedom of Speech, No one group should deserve more rights than the other, Especially when a Handful of those people are Ready to kill The Infidel, Kuffah ( Christians, Jews, Buddist Etc.)In the Name of Allah (god).

Moderates don't speak out at all against these extremist because 1 of 2 things..1) Of the Fatwah (speaking out against a fellow muslim or muslim laws) that they will live with. Or 2)They just side with the extremist..And wait til all have the "supposed" Control of the United States.

@Any Muslem Extremist You can share your analogy of how you will take over the united states...But remember, Its the Politicinas That like you and welcome you, The Americans like Myself will be waiting with war on both our hands..Better be READY ! EXPECT US !!!!!!!

And to the One Muslim who said, " But muslims died on 9/11 too !!" You think Extremist had them in mind personallly when they attacked America!?!?!..Lets say there were muslims in the Twin Towers on 9/11...
And both towers dominated by muslims...I think they would still be standing, Don't you think !?!?

And the other who said, I am against the Mosque but still would attend to show my anti-Extremist support, As Far as I am concerned anyone who embracess or attends that mosque is an EXTREMIST themselves...Giving thanks to allah for worshipping in a mosque built on an American Cemetary where Nearly 3,000 innocent Americans died in the name of allah is just what your doing and why your an exremist !

Back to the Mosque! NO mosque Near Ground Zero or in Shanksville where United 93 Crashed...No to the Mosques and America and Jesus Always...God Bless America !

This is undoubtly a new low in American politics. For the city of New York, this is a complete outrage for Americans everywhere. Nine years ago, this would have been considered treason. My upmost sympathies go out to the Families and Friends who lost loved ones in the attacks. Even more so now then ever, that if this proposed building takes place, they will have to relive this horrific tragedy everytime they hear about, or pass by this Mosque. If there ever was a time to truly be American, and practice your God given right, that time is now.

Again; I entreat each of you, . . . . to consider my suggested Alternative to the proposed '911 ground zero' Islamic Mosque @ http://natserim.blogspot.com/

We have an opportunity to be light to the world - a city on a hill.

How about we Trump Imam Feisal Rauf's Islamic Mosque plans for '911 Ground Zero?

In light of our Master 'Yeshua's command: "So then, let your light shine like this in front of the sons of man that they should see your works and they glorify good your father who is in heaven,"

What say you?

In entreat each of you, . . . . to consider my suggested Alternative to the proposed '911 ground zero' Islamic Mosque @ http://natserim.blogspot.com/

We have an opportunity to be light to the world - a city on a hill.

How about we Trump Imam Feisal Rauf's Islamic Mosque plans for '911 Ground Zero?

In light of our Master 'Yeshua's command: "So then, let your light shine like this in front of the sons of man that they should see your works and they glorify good your father who is in heaven,"

What say you?

I don't understand how this can be considered at all. Is there any reason a Muslim mosque should be built right there? I am sickened by this. Please - let's respect the people who lost there life on that sacred ground. Please don't let this happen!

. . . . why not consider my suggested Alternative to the proposed '911 ground zero' Islamic Mosque @ http://natserim.blogspot.com/

How about we trump Imam Feisal Rauf's Islamic Mosque plans for '911 Ground Zero?

In light of our Master 'Yeshua's command: "So then, let your light shine like this in front of the sons of man that they should see your works and they glorify good your father who is in heaven,"

What say you?

MARYP123: Can you please state why you are embarrassed for Jordan Sekulow? I believe he has a solid grasp of Constitutional law.:

Sure. If this was an angry rant by an evangelical christian activist, I would be able to swallow it. But, the fact that this is coming from an attorney - a human rights attorney, no less - is very disturbing. My problem is that he's pretending like there's some sort of law supporting his beliefs, and the simple fact is that there isn't. That's why I find this article so disingenuous and manipulative.

Jordan keeps saying that this is not about the first amendment. But the thing is.. it is about the first amendment. Either he knows that, or he's lying about having gone to law school. A first year law student would know this. Actually, anyone who's vaguely familiar with the constitution would know this. I get that he doesn't want to talk about the constitutional aspects of this, because if he does, he doesn't have an argument. But to say that this does not fall within the scope of the first amendment is more than just wrong - its a lie. The first amendment protects freedom of speech, freedom of association and freedom of religion. That is exactly what this "case" would be about - if there was actual a legal argument in Jordan's argument that would warrant a case. (theres not)

Also, the constitution doesn't allow that laws be "imposed." I've carefully done the math and there is exactly a 0% chance that Shariah law will be "imposed" in the US. Its such a ridiculous proposition that I feel dumb just typing it out. Have some faith in America and in the Constitution.

Also, is it 1945? whats with all of the racism and hatred? I've read things on here like, "go back to your sandpiles" and "stay out of America". That sort of mind frame is much more frightening than a 13 story community center with a gym, performing arts center, and a mosque. America is a country built by immigrants. And like it or not, New York is an international city.

MATTHEWAMCCORMICK

Well said; then why not consider my suggested Alternative to the proposed '911 ground zero' Islamic Mosque @ http://natserim.blogspot.com/

How about we trump Imam Feisal Rauf's Islamic Mosque plans for '911 Ground Zero?

In light of our Master 'Yeshua's command: "So then, let your light shine like this in front of the sons of man that they should see your works and they glorify good your father who is in heaven,"

What say you?

I can not understand why any American would even consider this to be a possibility! over 3000 life's were lost on 9/11,and these people are suggesting that we place a grave marker that glories the ideals and religious views of those who destroyed the life's of those innocent victims and their family's,those people who died were Americans! they lived and breathed under the constitution of the United States,They want to place something their then build something to honor THAT!

RE: my suggested Alternative to the proposed '911 ground zero' Islamic Mosque @ http://natserim.blogspot.com/

How about we trump Imam Feisal Rauf's Islamic Mosque plans for '911 Ground Zero?

In light of our Master 'Yeshua's command: "So then, let your light shine like this in front of the sons of man that they should see your works and they glorify good your father who is in heaven,"

What say you?

This is just an outrage!!!! We need to stop it from being built. Wake up america. They ARE out to destroy us

I don't fully agree with Mr Newt Gingrich, but I somewhat understand what he is saying. I understand the point he is trying to make.
People are being killed over in these Arab countries for being Christians, women are at the bottom of the social scale over there. Yet over here we have a liberal element crying for tolerance, and understanding all the while ignoring an imposing faction pressing it's will into the very fabric of our society.
I totally agree with freedoms of speech, and religion. I agree with the rights of an individual.
I also agree with protecting our freedom's from an intolerant ideological, and imposing faction that has only their best interest at heart. Some times telling someone no is a good thing.
I know this column is not about Newt, but it still applies!

Sorry folks. All kidding aside. This article is entitled, "It's the imam, not the mosque." This is part of the problem with America and the world. By America I largely reference those who have not accepted that Jesus Christ reigns supreme over all creation, and that he alone is God. "We" have become tolerant of everything and everyone except Jesus and Christians. It is humanly possible to tolerate something that is evil. The bible says, woe unto them who call good evil, and evil good. The unsaved need to become more educated spiritually, politically-as it relates to bible prophecy, and technologically-as it relates to bible prophecy. When they do, they will understand that the imam and the mosque are one and the same. Case and point: Would the firefighters and others feel any better if a 13-story mosque were built at ground zero by a different imam? The structure would signify Islamic conquest regardless of which imam is responsible for its construction. Islam stands in opposition to Christianity. A Muslim's allegiance is to Islam. Therefore... Now then, textbook cases of opposition to any god other than the LORD Jesus Christ, should become more and more prevalent.

To all you wonderful, trusting, politically correct American fools,
Here is what we Muslims have planned for you. Here is what we think. I will tell you it all now. You will not believe me. You will not believe me.

RADICAL ISLAM'S
STRATEGY FOR
CONQUERING AMERICA:

1. Trick the gullible liberal media into believing we are moderate. When we radical Muslims appear on TV we must Always speak softly, move slowly, look sincere, play the victim, and ALWAYS push the lie that Islam is a religion of peace. Nod a lot. It makes you look like you give a Jew. APPEAR MODERATE. SOUND MODERATE. PLEAD FOR UNDERSTANDING.

2. Divide and conquer.

HOW? By building a mosque at ground zero, we will demonstrate to the entire world our victory over the weak Americans. You are so weak you can not stop us, while we turn America's overly sensitive political correctness into a weapon. We use this weapon to pit American liberals, progressives, communistis and Democrats against America's much less gullible angry right wing. We will be sure to call them racist. RACIST! We can not shout this in Iran. But here in America it is easy.

This is how we will Divide and Conquer.

3. Insert, insinuate, move slowly into positions of power. Of course, with our Muslim Brother, Barack in charge, we have no worry.

Now let us pray to our god of death to kill all the white Jew babies, Christian babies, cut the heads off of their reporters, stone their queers to death, and give thanks for our will - our will and breath that comes from Allah, Allah is great because our evil is greater than theirs. We will destroy the world to rebuild a new world without Jews, Christians or any other false statanic religion. In the name of Allah.

Now... you will not hear me say this on TV. You will not hear me say this on the radio. You will not find me posting this anywhere else on the Internet. Here is what you WILL hear me say, "Muslims love America. Obama told you America is a Muslim nation. Did you not hear? Did you not listen? Muslims love America. We are a religion of peace, and it is only the racists of your country who want to say bad things about us."

I am smiling. I know you will not believe me.

It is a travesty that this mosque is even being considered. This is clearly not a place for peaceful worship, but is instead an insult at the very heart of America - our nation, hated by the extremist Muslims who are funding this monstrosity. Please, please DO NOT ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN.

Terrorist muslims should go back to wherever they came from. There are enough anti-muslim people in this country who would probably choose somewhere other than NYC to shop or vacation simply because of the danger that will probably come if it is built. Iman, you are not wanted!! Your people are not wanted!! You and your masked thugs go back to where you belong, hiding in the bushes.

What a slap in the face. Thats just what they want and we're handing it over on a silver platter and will probably pay for the whole thing too. Why not just let them build it on the White House lawn, they're gonna' eventually own that too.....

America is being fundamentally transformed and this is just another example of Islamic terrorists rights and comments being accepted while Americans get slapped in the face with a Mosque being built where the 9/11 attacks happened. Why would anyone support Imam Rauf who has clearly made his hatred of our country obvious. Why would anyone believe this group? Don't allow this mosque to be built.Put our Constitution first. I stand behind Jordan! Keep up the excellent work ACLJ.

It never ceases to amaze me how short our memory is - even of TERRORISM attacking us on our own soil! I agree with Sarah Palin - let there be healing, but please do not shove our faces in this mess by approving a monument to terrorism, hate and violence and so much anti-American rhetoric. Let's not let them gloat, again! If they own the land there - where did the money come from to purchase the land? You have to wonder with this group!

I agree that the Imam is at the very least very suspect and as usual, not honest. I am growing very weary of radical Islam pushing there weight around the United States Of America. I am a Christian and proud of it. I don't bother muslims and they are very arrogant as usual to insist on a mosque at ground zero. That would be like us going to an arab and putting up a Christian chuirch in an area that has a mosque. We would be run out of town and persecuted. I am even further amazed by the lack of concern of the NY mayor and others who turn a blind eye. What is their problem?

MARYP123: Can you please state why you are embarrassed for Jordan Sekulow? I believe he has a solid grasp of Constitutional law. You make no sense to me with your comment. Oh, by the way, the mosque plans to open on September 11th of the year of completion (2011, I think).

The politically correct "progressives" of this country are like the stereotypical family member who goes out of his way to please those outside of his family who really don't have the best interests of his family in mind, and then this same family member treats his own, loyal family like dirt. Mayor Bloomberg has no clue but loves his power.

All americans must rise up and oppose this vulgar, divisive and outrageous MONUMENT TO JIHADIST MURDER being proposed, and we must eject and repudiate the foolish and namby-pamby politicians who would permit it under the pretense of "celebrating diversity" and "healing." The blood of thousands of murdered innocents cries out from the ground against this abomination!

I'm embarrassed for sekulow and for Regent law school. I'm sure most Regent graduates have a much firmer grasp of constitutional law.

Please.. PLEASE try to bring this to court, sekulow. I'd love to see that. Lets hope the muslims haven't conquered our courts by then.. and held congress hostage... and forced them to propose amendments to the constitution... and then forced 2/3 of them to vote in favor of those amendments.. and then forced the states to ratify the amendments. Please, jordan, HURRY! before its too late!! For all we know, they're stoning women and beheading people on the national mall as we speak!

I repeat, "there IS NO PLACE for shiraih law in the United States Judicial System"-- Jordan Sekulow, legal genius, revolutionary thinker.

This amounts to placing a monument to the very people who attacked us ! Why the hell would any American stand for this ? It would be a slap in the face of every American and a stab to the heart of all those who survived and to the families of those who didn't. Stop it ! Stop it anyway possible !

This is how they slowly take over. They want a world-wide caliphate. But doesn't the Bible say that the final antichrist will cause the whole world to go against the one, true, living God? God will destroy His enemies with fire.

"Our God is a consuming Fire." The book of Hebrews.

Go to ACLJ.org to help keep the caliphate at bay.

When will all those super intelligent liberals see the forrest from the trees. Read the history on Islam. It continues to repeat itself. They attack us from within.

...they speak about anti islamic predjudice and intolerance. All the while, Islam is the only religion to this day in the world that mandates or requires the death penalty of anyone that is not a muslim. That goes for all other religious or non religious affiliations. The entire Human race itself is not worthy to breathe the same air that they are if we are not muslim. Even the so-called muslims that will try to deny this fact of the muslim religion will be considered by hard core muslims to be not to be "authentic or devout muslims" and will eventually rise to the top of their execution list with the rest of all humanity that is not sincerely and genuinely muslim. Islam is a religion of war, intolerance, persecution, totalitarianism and World Wide genocidal conquest, not peace and love and tolerance or any type of coexistance. Coexistance is merely a temporary status they must endure until their numbers and influence rise to a level of total domination. Once that is acheived, all notions of tolerance other than a Muslim nation become null and void. If you don't believe that, visit Meca and see what other religion is recognized and/or tolerated there. Just like on a chess-board, they are constantly working their stategy to acheive their vision of conquest and World Domination. Think hard America. All of us...ALL of us, who are not muslim or who do not consider muslims to be the only human beings allowed to live on this planet, are on the list for extermination by this super-race called Islam. Time and people's ignorance is all they have ever needed to accomplish this goal. That is something for any sane, freedom loving human being to be wary of. Who's sane...America. We already know the World has gone Mad. We have the right to say no to this one Mosque, until they take that right and our lives away from us. This is, after all, OUR NATION and Our Dear Beloved Citizens that are memorialized in that pile of rubble site we dare not forget was just another move on someone else's chess-board of conquest. Several Mosques already exist in New York. Isn't it about time we just said NO??? I mean really, isn't it just that simple? We are not holding them hostage here. They are free to go back home to their blessed Islamic culture that did not originate here on our soil. All the same, they intend for it to conquer and rule OUR NATION if we let them.

Two-bits from this US-ARMY-Vet. GOD Bless America, Land that I Love...

This has got to be the biggest insult to the US and lives lost in this tragedy. Has the world gone totally mad???

I am appalled that New York City would even remotely entertain the idea of a mosque at Ground Zero. Where is the memory of the horrible tragedy that took place on our American soil. Where is the memory of the 3,000 innocent people who were brutally murdered in the name of Islam? Where is the memory of the horrendous pain and suffering inflicted in American families? Where is the memory of a country whose very pledge of allegiance declares it "indivisible" with liberty and justice for all? Is that justice to allow the very enemy who wants to destroy America to build a memorial to their vicious attack against unsuspecting Americans? Who are these people who claim to be leaders in America? Who have taken oaths to defend and protect her? I'm afraid I, for one, do not understand how bowing to enemies and being afraid of offending them is defending and protecting this beautiful nation. This mosque CANNOT be allowed. How can so many who claim to be Americans and claim to love their country be so blind? The one who called them SHEEPLE had a great term. Wake up America!!!!!! You are being destroyed from within. Are those who are in leadership truly so blind as to what is going on? Or are they planted there within strategic leadership positions in our country to begin the destruction from within. My prayer is that Americans will wake up before it is too late and we have lost our country.

How can we believe anything the a muslim says when he is allowed to lie to a non muslim?

People of New York need to be aware that a mosque is not a mere house of worship and prayers. It is a place where a primitive and supremacist, intolerant ideology is disseminated, and so needs to be treated as such. Wahabi mosques to which this one would definitely belong are the most fanatic and literalist.
I can see this Feisal guy pointing through a window of the top floor to the Twin Towers monument and gloating over how “Allah demonstrated his wrath at the filthy polytheist infidels by the hands of the warriors of Islam.”
A sample of what would be spewed there could be found in what an undercover team exposed at a similar “center” and is linked below
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undercover_Mosque

Lots of call to "expel" and "ban" Muslims from entering and being US citizens here. Including Muslim citizens of the US.

Perhaps we'll hear calls for interment camps for American Muslims soon. While at it, perhaps to "expel" Native Americans too for not being "real" Americans. After all, they are not the Founding Fathers of the United States, nor formulated the US Constitution.

a few days ago I sent a letter to the Mayor of New York

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Message: I served in the US Navy on Sept. 11 2001 I remember the day as if it were yesterday, I can tell you exactly where I was and what I was doing when the attack happened, I will not bother giving you the details as you probably don’t care, but I do want to express my outrage at building a mosque on the site of the attack, it is a slap in the face of all Americans, it is not an issue of religious freedom, it is an issue of American pride and strength in the face of adversity.

Build the mosque on the other side of New York, keep ground zero a sacred place, a symbol that we will endure and continue to be free of oppression no matter what our enemies do to us. if you build a mosque on ground zero you will invite a wave of anti Muslim sentiment and violence in your city that will resemble the African American churches prior to and during the civil rights movement, there are extremist Americans that are very upset at the building of a mosque at ground zero and you are making yourself responsible for the actions they will most likely take during the construction and after it is built.
ps. I am not threatening violence I am not a violent person by nature, I am just warning you that you are inviting violent people to commit violence against innocent Muslims.

The SHEEPLE of this great country of ours need to WAKE UP!! If you care about our country, the greatest country in the world, for the sake of ourselves, our children and our childrens children, we must stand up and let our voices be heard.To let this mosque be built near ground zero would be like dumping gas on an already out of control fire, and that fire is islam. The Koran doesn't preach peace, it teaches that there is only one true religion and that is Islam. It also teaches that it is EVERY muslims religious duty to fight to spread Islam until it is the only religion in the world. How can they claim it is a religion of peace? Ask any non-muslim in an islamic state if they are a religion of peace. All one needs to do is look at the past to see how peaceful Islam is. How about since the Islamic Revolution in 1979. It's not just a few radicals, it is there in all the newsclips, archives, photo's etc, all we have to do is look at whats right in front of our face. Go on youtube and search Robert Spencer...see what you find. Facts as to why we are losing our country because of our FEEL GOOD attitudes. Our politically correct attitudes. Our we can't hurt anybodys feelings attitudes. Or check out books by Brigitte Gabriel who grew up in a Christian town in Lebanon. See how tolerant the muslims were of Christians and other non-muslims. How when they invaded they tied ropes to babies legs, then tied one rope to the mother and one to the father and then pulled the parents forcefully apart in essence making the parents rip their child in two. Religion of peace??? Sharia Law, beheadings, THEY STILL STONE PEOPLE TO DEATH !!!! WAKE UP AMERICA. It can be any more obvious that we are in trouble and our president is bent on our destruction as well as all the sheeple who JUST DON'T KNOW or just don't care because it doesn't affect them. They are isolated and insulated in their perfect little worlds and can't believe that the people they so want to help would do them harm. I'm sad for what our great country has become. If this is such a bad country(as our politicians keep apologizing for us to the world) then why does everyone STILL WANT TO COME HERE???

Not only should there be no mosque built at ground zero there needs to be zero tolerance for mosques and muslims in the U.S.A. The U.S. is a western civilization. The east has been the sworn enemy of the west for centuries. Only the enemies of the U.S. would advocate for the admission of this enemy into our country. Muslims are intolerant bigots. We protected the arrogant Saudi heathens and our troops were denied Bibles and Christmas trees. I say what is good for the goose is good for the gander. Round the muslims up in their places of worship. Gather all their korans and burn them. islam is not a religion if you are a Christian. It is a cult of heathens who worship a moon god from the arabic pantheon of gods. islam means SUBMISSION in arabic. NOT PEACE. Immigration reform is needed. BADLY. We need to gather the foreign invaders and so called naturalized muslims into a herd and give them the same choice the Spanish gave them when they kicked their butts out of the Iberian Peninsula. University means one truth. Diversity means NO truth. Diversity is to Unity as Divorce is to Marriage. Diversity is the enemy of Liberty. NO MOSQUE at GROUND ZERO or ANYWHERE ELSE ON THIS CONTINENT. I am SICK TO DEATH of being asked to be nice to an enemy who despises me and who I DESPISE. Tolerate Intolerance!

It's the imam AND the mosque. If you didn't like the country the way it is or was, then why come here. Take you filthy self, money and mosque and go back to your sand pile.
You're not wanted here! GET IT?

If this is built, do you really think it will be safe? Unless you have an all Muslim work crew, I believe your mosque may well fall apart. Remember the Nazi's having Jewish prisoners building their war machines? I would wait in a long line to defecate and urinate on your mosque.

LEAVE and take your veiled women with you.

- Shariah is only applicable to Muslims even in Muslim majority states.

- It would be impossible to have a parallel Shariah court system in the US.

- Americans have more to worry about its extant "culture wars" on everything from stem cell research to abortion.

- It is interesting to see quite a number of American Christians, Jews, Hindus etc for all their different faiths and intr-faith differences, are united in agreeing that Islam is a "cult", and Muslims are a "threat" to America's civil liberties, democracy, civilisation and way of life etc.

- No worry. Muslims will continue to drink cokes, eat Big Macs, see "Avatar", buy iPads and Ralph Laurens etc regardless of those being "beach heads" and "conquests" of American "cultural hegemony".

This is nothing but Islam spitting in the face of every Red Blooded American. It's telling the families that died "Ha Ha, in your face!".

Our country continues to pander to these type of groups in the name of politics and being political correctness.

When will America wake up and see that we are loosing all our rights and freedoms because we are too lazy to get off our rears and do anything about it.

It does seem America is only motivated by their pocket books and that is the only time we stand up to do anything.

Wake UP America, your freedom is slipping away.

America was founded by people who came here to worship God as they pleased. As our nation grew, people of other faiths came here to practice their religions as well...this is what America is all about. However, when a religion demands our submission and believes their law (sharia) is superior to our Constitution, there is a huge conflict of interest.

This is what is happening with many who practice Islam. Ultimately, they want to see sharia law dominating every area of our society. There are already people strategically placed in high positions in education; government; media; etc. to make this a reality. This is what CAIR (Council of American Islamic Relations) and other such organizations are all about.

Unless we draw a line in the sand and say, "thus far and no more", America will ultimately succumb and the nation that we now know and love will be no more. It's as if the very thing that America was founded upon - religious liberty and freedom - could ultimately prove to be our demise, unless more people speak up and act to prevent this Islamization of America from happening on our watch, and in our generation.

I believe this potential mosque at Ground Zero is a significant matter with regard to all of this. We must remain strong and say "no way" right here at the get-go. If we allow it to be built, watch out...I think we'll then quickly see other open doors for the Muslim ideology to quickly infiltrate our nation. I'm thankful to see articles like this one exposing and bringing light to this situation....

I would like to know, what planet the muslims come from, as the Shariah terms, are so way out and made up by some man - so insecure in what he is, that anyone not him, must submit, and be below him.

I have read the entire description of this cult, and it is amazing to me, that someone in the world, didn't go in and rescue those under this demonic cult.

The people have been brainwashed, and it is sad to see our country infiltrated by this nonesense.

Would we have let the Japanese build a Shinto shrine in 1950 at Pearl Harbor?

Did everyone know that the Muslims have erected a mosque on each place they have defeated another religion or group.

Check it out, it is their way of claiming victory over people who do not believe as they do.

Dome of the Rock is an example;

The Muslims are trying to take over the world, and their leader is none other than our President Barack Hussein Obama.

His sympathy and support of the Muslims is very transparent - to use his word.

Note: notice the date: 09/12/2010
SIX FLAGS IS HOSTING: MUSLIM DAY.

Just coincidental? I don't think so.

We must keep our country, and one way to do it - is to fight back ......don't forget 9/11....that should keep us mad.

This is disgusting - the lies behind this whole operation need exposing and this whole project needs to be stopped immediately - what about some respect for the loved ones who perished that day and their families - what about Shariah Law - are you kidding - whoever allows this just sold USA OUT and will make the greatest mistake in history for the USA - We love our USA citizens and this is not anti-islam or anti-religion - it is just about building something so insulting to these families and to all americans and to all nations who lost people that day - not to mention Almighty ELohim - what do you think he will do - just sit by and watch - oh no NOT EVER - He will bring her hurling down as fast as you ever build it and I will be petitioning my Father in Heaven to do as he pleases with this place and do it quickly if it gets approvala - in the meantime I am asking Him for JUSTICE for the citizens of USA and their loves ones!
Who is running the place now, have they lost their minds - geez!

Do any of you even know what Sharia law is? According to the Sharia, despite declarations of the equality of the sexes before God, women are considered inferior to men, and have fewer rights and responsibilities. A woman counts as half a man in giving evidence in a court of law, or in matters of inheritance. A husband has the moral and religious right and duty to beat his wives for disobedience or for perceived misconduct. A woman does not have the right to choose her husband, or her place of residence, to travel freely or have freedom in her choice of clothing. On the pretext of protecting their honor women are kept locked up, isolated and unable to enjoy a full life or to develop their potential. Under the Taliban many war widows were forced into starvation. Their crime? Had they prayed harder their husbands would have survived! Women deserve to be treated as autonomous human beings and for this reason alone misogynistic Political Islam and its imposition of the Sharia should be opposed.

Does anyone even know that there are already 100+ Mosques in NYC? Why is it so important to have a Mosque near ground zero?

As a frequent visitor to NYC, I am appalled that you would even consider allowing a Muslim Mosque anywhere near the site of the world trade center. This is supposed to be a place where family and friends can go to remember their lost loved ones. How do you think they would feel having to walk past a Muslim mosque to get there? This is totally insensitive not only to the families but also to the rest of the US as we all watched in horror as the events transpired that day and will never forget. They don’t want to be friends with us, they want to destroy us. This will not bring any of us closer together but further apart. Remember, some of those terrorists trained after prayers in their mosques in back rooms. I’m sure they are laughing at our stupidity to even consider this. I am begging you to please put a stop to this. I will pray daily that you will end this insanity. I wrote the above to Mayor Bloomberg, his response?

Our Administration strongly supports the right of faith groups to open houses of worship, or community centers, in whatever location they choose, provided it complies with all applicable laws. What happened to separation of church and state?

I noticed that in Countries that are M..... Anyone outside say. Christians are victims. Whenever someone in a mosque decides to campaign against outside religions groups of people has been known to brutalize people who are different. I also noticed that in Pakistan they receive lots of money from the USA. The rich hoard this money. Why do we care about Pakistan you say? Well, it is because the majority religion is M...... You can read in a web site "Voice of the Martyrs" about how people are brutalized by the very people we are so worried about protecting their rights. Our forefathers fought so valiantly to protect us from this kind of situation. It would not be difficult to see the future if this is allowed. Take a good look at the third world countries. No, one will have a place to cry out to.

The ONLY way to stop this infestation of EVIL would be America's backbone to enact a whole NEW range of constitutional laws to usurp Islam's unique but cancerous characteristics. As America is the most unique of all nations in the world, IT MUST BE PRESERVED AT ALL COSTS!
As our fore fathers were aware of Islam, but obviously weren't well informed or deceived by it's tenants, It's evident now America, being the HOME OF THE BRAVE, must stand and begin discussion on correcting our fore father's oversight. I put forth the following as suggested additions/clauses to our Constitution...

Unless every Islamist that is in America or wants to emigrate there, should...

1. Be compelled to sign a declaration renouncing the violent tenants of Islam.

2. Acknowledge there is only one judiciary rule of law for everyone in America.

3. Due to Islam's contradiction to American tenants of Freedom, etc., Sharia law must be outlawed by our Constitution.

4. A birth rate set in law as China did to ensure America would have a greater chance to maintain a dominant birth rate to counter any Islamic birth rate.

5. No Islamic public assistance. Or at least a time limitation applied to it.

I'm sure many, many more could be drafted.
We all know the odds of this ever happening are about ZERO. As America has always refrained from "tampering" with the Constitution out of fear of weakening it. So much for "HOME OF THE BRAVE"!
America is only left with one option for the future, the prospect of a nation wide
religious conflagration, the likes that has never been witnessed in modern times. The Islamic birth rate will one day in our future over-run all other races and beliefs. "Islam will dominate through the wombs of their women." Read the Quran. When this happens, if America hasn't already lost most of the political power base, i.e. Islamist infiltration of the military, etc., the northern hemisphere's conflagration between the two ideologies, will make the Ottoman Empire, Jewish holocaust, and the Young Turks Revolution in Turkey during the first world war, look minuscule by comparison.
May our Lord Jesus Christ still favor America.

This Imam is like every other Imam. There is an absolute and unequivocal push by every Muslim, just like this Rauf character. You all, in this increasingly Godless country being murdered by humanistic school systems, we are talking about a building in NYC. This is about Islam's absolute push in EVERY nation around the world, by violence, rhetoric, lies and manipulation of the minds of Godless people, to proliferate the rule of this totalitarian "faith". You think this is about a building when this evil, demonically inspired human being, reaking of the very absolutist fire within which he burns to enslave each one of us, speaks DIRECTLY about setting up another NATION within this NATION (see giving people's the right to be governed by their own laws). You cannot even see what this man is saying, or the threat he poses to your Godless children you claim to "love", while congratulating yourselves on not "exposing them to a totalitarian intolerant religion like Christianity". Believe me fellow Americans, if Christianity were ANYTHING like this Rauf's or ANY Muslim's faith, you would ALL be enslaved or dead. We Christians exist all around you (the True ones) and pray for the change that will bring you to understanding that God (the TRUE GOD of the Bible) just wants the Very Best for you. That will be by judgement as this nation is going now. In the ignorance of a Godless society, which cannot see the danger a man like Rauf and the totalitarian "faith" he heralds, while at the same time glorifying sodomy....get ready. This is NOT our world, it is God's.....He is patient as He was with my sinful, stupid self who used to be immersed in all that I speak about now until I was given eyes to see it...but His judgement will come with the purpose to call you to repentance. If our forefathers even caught a hint of how absolutely ignorant we have become to even think of allowing a spiritual disease like Islam fester in our midst, forget the mosque where Islam committed its first mass murder here to start it all....they would pray for our cleansing in judgement because we have gone too far.

We have a First Amendment guaranteeing the right to build mosques. NYC also has architecture codes about building design.

I can live with building this thing in the neighborhood as long as it doesn't have a direct line-of-sight to Ground Zero. People visiting the WTC site shouldn't have to see a mosque when they look up; and any radical Islamists that visit the top floor of Cordoba House shouldn't be able to look down at the destruction their brethren wrought.

yeeeee HAWW! Everyone grab yer shotguns and lets go wrangle up some muslims before they start changin' our laws an settin' up terrorist restaurants and terrorist shopping malls, and turnin' our babies into terrorists!!

Timothy McVeigh also claimed to be motivated by the extreme sort of christianity he followed. Do you think there are any monuments to terrorism (churches) near the site of the Oklahoma City bombing? I bet there are.

The US isnt a christian nation - its a nation founded on religious freedom.

I'm a conservative christian, but reading this insane article, that attempts to claim that we're in danger of having Shariah law imposed in our courts is just idiotic, and makes me me want to donate to the Cordoba Project (which is a project to build a community center in a run-down part of town).

The ONLY argument against having a muslim establishment NEAR the wtc site is that it hurts your pride. If an Italian person blew up my home in the name of the supremacy of Italy, I'm not sure I'd want a pizzeria built where my home was. But that would be because I would find it an unpleasant reminder that my home was destroyed. Not because I would think the italian people were trying to conquer me. And hopefully I'd be able to get past my idea that all Italians are out to destroy me and I wouldn't gather an angry mob to tear down the pizzeria. We can do it, America! Hug a muslim! Do any of you even know muslim people? I'm going to out on a limb here and say you don't.... It would be impossible to spew this level of hate and racism if you did.

I understand that the vocal people on this board represent a minority of americans (or maybe its sarah palin logging in again and again under different user names), but this is frightening. You seem to think muslims are a threat to america.. the threat to america- the most un-american thing about this situation is our inability to understand that the US believes in religious freedom for everyone - not religious freedom for those who believe in god.

Americans consider Ground Zero hallowed ground, and suspect the Muslim who wants to build a Mega Mosque near that ground, of ulterior, disrespectful symbolic motives; so the way to bust this double talker for the fraud he is, is for America to simply say the Mosque will be allowed near Ground Zero when Muslims allow the Pope to build a Cathedral on one side of Mecca, and Israel to build a Synagogue on the other.

J believe this is a Christian country built with God backing us. I think it is slap in the face that anyone would expect to build some thing in our coutry that would go against the beliefs of what this country was built on.
No way should a mosque be built that could be backed by the people that brought down the buildings in the first place.
Anything built should open up how it is funded and who is backing.
Should also come to a vote by the American people.
And this is our country! We don't need anyone coming here trying to change our government, or court system.
We are one nation under God! That is how it should be.
A mosque would be a slap in the face tothe people who died on 9 11 and their families.
I say NO to a mosque being built at ground zero.
God bless America!

What I want to know is, how could this HAPPEN? I would think all of New York City would be calling for Mr. Bloomberg's removal after such a consideration! This is like putting a statue of Adolph Hitler in the middle of Jerusalem and claiming it's to promote understanding towards the German people. How naive could someone be to think this is peaceful? It's OBVIOUSLY an attempt at CONQUEST. Shariah law? Ha! No, we won't be permitting any stoning of women who commit adultery here in the U.S., thank you. Radical Islam is trying to take over the U.S. and the world, one step at a time, masquerading as peaceful Muslims, of which there are many. Americans, please speak out NOW! We are like poor little frogs sitting in a pot of water on the stove, not realizing the water is boiling us to death!

Clarissa

It's time to Quit complaining and Trump Imam Feisal Rauf's Islamic Mosque plans for '911 Ground Zero. How? Well to begin with,

Please consider my creative Alternative to the proposed '911 ground zero' Islamic Mosque @ http://natserim.blogspot.com/

The officers on the watch are asleep at the helm, our country is on course for a disaster. This must be stopped. Not to think that radical Islam is daily striving to undermine everything that the founding fathers of the United States of America sort to accomplish, is to miss the primary challenge, and the greatest that has ever been directed against our country. King George’s army and navy, the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, and Hitler’s Nazis and their “U” Boats, are nothing, all together, compared to the threat now facing us to radically Islamize the United States. The process is under weigh and we should give it no quarter.
I am aghast that narrow minded, liberally oriented, overly tolerant , politically correct bone heads can’t see that it is a wicked, divisive and destructive action to allow any hint of celebratory memorialization of an Islamic nature to be erected or ensconced anywhere near the hallowed ground where American’s died at the hands of this fanatical scourge. Please read my Blog : http://abitingchance.blogspot.com/2009_09_01_archive.html
Please watch the video and then decide if you want to allow this terrible thing to happen.
Dr Neil McLeod DDS
DENTISTRY THAT LASTS – QUALITY THAT COUNTS

According to Janet Parshell today,Cordoba house refers to the muslim conquest of Spain.They then built a house of worship in Cordoba,Spain to signify their conquest and victory.This is their victory lap unless ACLJ's toyota wipes them out.

@jihadist there is no rapture.not in the bible,that is jesuit infiltraitor bunk,pagan and unbiblical.maybe you will be raptured by the 'ashtar command' in your 'Dulce book'(google these '2'). Matthew 15:3-9.

@kempsonshine the 3rd temple will be built,satan and his locust nephilim will make sure of it. Read your bible.Daniel 8:13;Rev. 11:1-2.

This seems like just another way to put Christians in their place. We need to wake up and see what is happening before we lose the whole country and our freedom.

The mere suggestion of building a mosque at or even near the site of the 9/11, World Trade Center attack should turn the stomach of any sensitive human being breathing air! Although I personally believe there are some with an agenda of stirring up hatred between the Muslims and Christians, nevertheless, this particular issue is disgusting. Wake up America!!! Say NO, ABSOLUTELY NO!!!

Building their mosque near Ground Zero is raising their flag of victory! America is for Americans, not any other nationality. Join us as Americans with American Values! I figure we should either love it and what it stands for, or leave it and go back to where ever we love so much we left. It just doesn't make sense! Why is it so important to bring their customs here? If they want to live the way they lived in their home country, why are they coming here, except to divide us? Divide and conquer sound familiar? This is America!

It's time to Quit crying. Trump Imam Feisal Rauf's Islamic Mosque plans for '911 Ground Zero. How? Well to begin with,

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As the song goes, "Have you forgotten how it felt that day to see your homeland under fire and her people blown away. . . .? You have got to be kidding? How could anyone with a beating heart suggest putting a mosque on the site of the 9-11 attack, when it was Islamic extremists who staged this attack against our country??? This is a kick in the teeth for the families who lost loved ones in the twin towers and in the Pennsylvania field. Get real people. It's time we stand up for what we believe in. Please do not allow this travesty to take place.

If we had a strong immigration policy, people like so called Imam Feisal Rauf, would not be in this country in the first place. This is a nation founded on Judeo-Christian values, people who want Shariah law should move to the Middle East. This nations government, and especially New York City government officials, are so left wing crazy, that they would ever even consider allowing the former Cordoba House, at ground zero, to become a mosque in the first place. The day a church is allowed to be built in Mecca, is the day a mosque should be built at ground zero, which is never...

The thing that we have so quickly forgotten is that Americans were slaughtered on 9/11. Although I am not closed minded enough to think that every Islamic person is violent or bloodthirsty I do beleive that every American should agree with me that because of the pain and trama that the families of the dead on that horrific day should be respected. This mosque is a direct slap in the face to these families. Are we American enough to understand this? I am a Christian but I can see this is not just a religious issue. Here's a simple example. If a violent man came onto my property (ground zero-America) and killed my daughter would I allow him to then a few years later build "anything" on my property? No way! As a matter of fact I would have a restraining order against him! If we make it a little more personal like that maybe we can meet on common ground.

The thing that we have so quickly forgotten is that Americans were slaughtered on 9/11. Although I am not closed minded enough to think that every Islamic person is violent or bloodthirsty I do beleive that every American should agree with me that because of the pain and trama that the families of the dead on that horrific day should be respected. This mosque is a direct slap in the face to these families. Are we American enough to understand this? I am a Christian but I can see this is not just a religious issue. Here's a simple example. If a violent man came onto my property (ground zero-America) and killed my daughter would I allow him to then a few years later build "anything" on my property? No way! As a matter of fact I would have a restraining order against him! If we make it a little more personal like that maybe we can meet on common ground.

Any Politician who is unable to see what Jordan and many others clearly lay out should be voted out as soon as possible. They obviously do not have the brains to be trusted with the welfare of the American People. Mayor Bloomberg should be recalled. That will send an unmistakably clear signal.

We can not have a Muslims Mosque built where 9-11 was. This is not a Muslims Country. We do not want to be a Muslims Country. We believe in God and we will be a Country that believes in God. The Muslims faith is a man made faith. Only one faith and that is in the all might GOD.

Hi, I agree that it should not be allowed to be built unless the Imam can prove beyound a shadow of a doubt that it is not funded by an organizaton conected to tarrerist. That the Imam will allow the athorities to inter at all times to inspect the premisis and will provide athorities with a complet list of all worshipers and visiters on a regular bassses. If it is allowed to be built without these conditions being met than I believe the state should be suied for jepordizing the lives of AMERICAN citicens. I believe in freedom but I also believe in justice.

Shariah Law in These United States

“Our supreme law is the United States Constitution. There is no place for Shariah law or Canon law in the United States judicial system. America is a nation founded on constitutional rights and the separation of powers. All Americans, regardless of religious belief, must reject those who advocate for government-sponsored, taxpayer-funded religious law jurists and courts.”

Sekulow states the most important point of his argument in his words above. And in the quotation is the most important words “There is no place for Shariah law or Canon law in the United States judicial system.”

America welcomes all religions to be practiced within the framework of our founding documents. As a rule we do not tell any group what to believe. We as a nation don’t have a national religion. We endorse no religion or group.

But when a religion has as a portion of its dogma an agenda, the idea that anyone who is a part of our society should be judged under a special set of religious laws separate from our constitution, then that religion deserves to be examined carefully under the lens of a microscope.

Church discipline needs to be kept within the confines of the church and not become a matter of public law, no matter what the religion. Those who fail to understand the wisdom of the founding fathers need to take the time to fully grasp the danger to liberty and freedom posed by any act of recognition of Shariah law under our constitutional system.

It is an idea which must be rejected and not simply rejected but set afire with the flames of liberty so as to be certain the germ of infection is killed. Islam as a radical movement must be crushed in These United States. The idea of a mosque as a monument to the disciples of 9-11 is so offensive that it rivals the very attack itself in magnitude of evil.

A mosque at Ground Zero is a slap in the face to our troops risking their lives to fight the war on terrorism, Jihad and Hamas, a slap in the face to the Ground Zero victims, a slap in the face to Ground Zero Memorial visitors grieving the loss of American lives, who’s thoughts and prayers will be drown out by the daily shouting of the Islamic prayer, "Allah Akbar" the same prayer shouted just before impact on the Twin Towers. This Mosque is a monument to Muslim dominance and a celebration of the murders done on 911 at Ground Zero. I say NO! Not on my watch!

I can't believe this was sailing through until the ACLJ turned the light on. As one who lost family members on flight 93 I want to say a special thank you to Jay, Jordan and Tim Brown. Like the folks on flight 93 who had the advantage of seeing past the lies and understood the true intentions of those carrying out fundamental Islamic faith, let's take a stand. It's incredibly insensitive that we would have to hear "Allah Akbar" shouted at the site of the biggest Islamic terrorist attack. Perhaps even more shocking to me is the fear and political correctness on the part of the mayor and landmark committee to give the green light without question. Imam Rauf wants to open on 9/11 on the ten year anniversary? How will that be interpreted throughout the Muslim world? I bet they will be impressed that we've taken the high road of tolerance. Will Bloomberg arrange a couple 757 flyovers as well?

stop the muslims. why dont we build world trade centers at one of their mosques after we blow it up and see how they feel.

This building will be another travesty and abomination. A monument to to the Moon God cult's slaughter of innocent civilians. This is absolutely akin to the erection of a monument to Adolph Hitler in the middle Auschwitz, or Bergen -Belsen!

What is wrong with the historical commission of New York?

The enablers of this atrocity, should receive the cult's most extreme punishment as reward for this. You know who you are , and so do we!

I agree that this paper does not have the guts to ask the real questions themselves. We must do it for them. Is the Washington Post now getting money from radical Islam somehow? Also if the mosque is built it will become sacred ground and can never be removed or condemned for any other purpose. No less than the legions from the pits of hell will defend it to the death and that means all the Muslems in the world. Wake up Mayor Bloomberg because when Sharia law kicks into gear here and devotees of the "religion of peace" become the majority in NYC, you are going on the hit list as am I.

I totally agree with Jordan Sekulow. They say this mosque is a symbol of peace, nonsense! It is a symbol of their success in hurting the American people;and now they want to rub it in our faces. It is obvious to anyone paying attention that Imam Feisal Rauf is lying through his teeth. Our leaders need to wake up (especially Mayor Bloomberg) and understand what is really happening here. The Islamic Leadership say they want peace but yet they refuse to speak out against terrorism. If you don't speak out against terrorism then you are for it, plain and simple. Their lead man in building this mosque, Iman Rauf, has shown his support for terrorism by the things he has said and done. We must expose them for who they are. Always follow the money to know the real truth. We the American people can not allow such abuse of our system by a group we know is against us. America is a nation of liberty for those who share in our beliefs as demonstrated in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. We must vehemently fight against those enemies both foreign and domestic who's mission is to subvert those beliefs. This mosque building group definitely have not shown their support of these beliefs, but only the opposite.
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Ah....Mayer Bloomberg....excuse me.....but HAVE YOU LOST YOUR MIND!!!!I think you need to find your senses again.

TASI_IEOVA

So what is your Creative solution to obviate the challenge presented by Imam Feisal Rauf's Islamic Mosque plans for '911 Ground Zero.

It's time to Quit crying. Trump Imam Feisal Rauf's Islamic Mosque plans for '911 Ground Zero. How? Well to begin with,

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IT IS TIME FOR AMERICAN CHRISTIANS TO STAND UP AND START BEING RADICAL FOR WHAT WE BELIEVE!
ALL CHURCHES START PUBLICLY ENDORSING YOUR CANDIDATES.
LET US "BE SELF CONTROLLED AND ALERT! YOUR ENEMY THE DEVIL PROWLS AROUND LIKE A ROARING LION LOOKING FOR SOMEONE TO DEVOUR". 1 PETER 5:8. IN THIS CASE, OUR COUNTRY.
ALLAH IS NOT ANOTHER NAME FOR OUR JEHOVAH, HE IS EVIL! HE IS THE ENEMY! THERE I SAID IT!!
THERE IS A REASON WHY UNTIL NOW THIS COUNTRY WAS PROSPEROUS, ABOUNDING WITH MILK AND HONEY. IT WAS BUILT ON THE BACKS OF THE FEW WHO FEARED YAHWEH ENOUGH TO KNOW IF THIS COUNTRY WAS GOING TO STAND A CHANCE, IT WOULD HAVE TO BUILT ON HIS WORD...THE HOLY SCRIPTURES. IT WAS NOT BUILT ON THE BACKS OF NON-BELIEVERS. THEY HAVE JUST BENEFITTED FOR IT. THEY WERE BLESSED RIGHT ALONG WITH US, WHO WORSHIP AND HONOR THE ONE TRUE GOD.
I STAND WITH ETCROWE AND MANY OTHERS, WHO SHOUT TO KEEP THIS GOD BLESSED "AMERICA", ....BLESSED!!!
WARNING: "GO AHEAD AND BUILT A MOSQUE AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS"!!!

"THEY SACRIFICED TO DEMONS, WHICH ARE NOT GOD--gods they had not known, gods that recently appeared, gods your fathers DID NOT FEAR. You deserted the Rock, who fathered you; you forgot the God who gave you birth. Deut. 32:17-18 (NIV)

AMERICA AND JEHOVAH/JESUS-FEARING PEOPLE it's not enough to blog, comment and pray. Speak, shout, and be the answer to a PRAYER!! MOSQUE ANYWHERE HERE...HECK NO!!!

What happened to the backbone of the United States? Politicians needs to step down that don't have the backbone to stand for the American people. This is an outright insult. How well we remember that tragic day of 9/11. In Alan Jackson's song, "Where were you when the World stopped turning". Americans haven't forgotten the shock, fear, and searching for loved ones in the debree. The passengers that sacrificed their life on that highjacked plane so that others would NOT be hurt or killed. NO MOSQUE built on Ground Zero. That ground belongs to true Americans of the United States. IN GOD WE TRUST NATION! Muslims need to go back to their country and build their Mosque. If they can't follow the Constitution and the laws of the United States, then they need to pack up and go back where they came from!! We don't want Sharia Law. Stop it all before it starts.

The building should remain as it is, and be designated as a historical building. No one has prevented muslims from building mosques in the US. There are more of them than I can count in my state of CA, some quite large and prominent. The fact that this imam has turned a deaf ear to the pleas of family members of those who died on 9/11 shows that he doesn't give a damn about them. And, we should be very concerned that the mosque is most likely being funded by the Saudi's. Islam is more than a religion, it's also a political system-the two cannot be separated. That's why in countries where Islam is dominant-and what could be a better example to judge by-it rules every aspect of life. Women are lashed and stoned for suspected improper behavior, homosexuals are executed, other religions are severely oppressed, and the penalty for leaving Islam is death-is there any wonder why it's the fastest growing religion? One last thing, I've noticed that the imam never refers to other religions by name-it's always muslims and non-muslims.

Tolerance? Christians cannot even enter Mecca. Islam means surrender or die. What momentum the 9/11 mosque we will give the 100k or 1 percent of muslims that are extremists...

7CATS

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Well said; but is that the best you can do?

Whining and crying is not wisdom's answer to the challenge presented by the Imam Feisal Rauf's Islamic Mosque @ '911 Ground Zero'.

You obviously have a good reason why you are annoyed by the wisdom of my Creative Answer. Why is that?

Rather than whining like most of the comments why don't you use the brain God gave you.

Why are we even arguing this issue? Wasn't it people of the Islamic faith that committed the crime of 9/11? They do not, nor shall they ever, have the right to build a mosque on a place where so many Americans were slaughtered. If this is allowed it will just be another slap in the face from the Middle East. Why are we allowing this to happen? I do not care what faith people are from, I'm looking at this from a different stand point. They are the enemy, they committed acts of war against our brothers and sisters. This should never have even made it to the court system. To the MAYOR of New York City, you should understand that if you allow this to happen, all you're going to do is bring a firestorm down on top of your head. This mosque will be a blight on our nation if you allow this to happen. I don't care what people say about tolerance. They didn't have the tolerance to not attack us so explain why we should have the tolerance to let them build a temple of death on our soil. This is AMERICA, not Iraq or Iran or wherever they may be from. DO NOT LET THIS BE BUILT, STAND UP PEOPLE AND FIGHT AGAINST THIS CANCER.

I cannot believe this is even a issue.Any true American would be totally against this insane idea.I agree with OMIDT2 over my dead body.One of my sons was involved with rescues at the World Trade Center on 9/11.And to this day is affected by that event both physiologically and physical.Again,over my dead body.

The Islamic people killed thousands of Americans in the name of their God. They are also the ones who attempted to take over world during the Dark Ages, but lost to the Catholics. Now they want us to roll over and let them build a mosque at Ground Zero, then what will they want? Why are whites so stupid?

I apologize that my comment got posted twice! I thought it didn't take the first time!

Ground zero is no place for this mosque. Are we gonna bend over so far backwards. That we will even let this area be desecrated just to please these radicals.Mayor dont let this happen.

The way I see it, building a mosque near the site of the 9/11 incident is as atrocious as erecting a statue of Hitler in the center of Israel.

I think building a mosque on the site of ground zero is an outage and insults the memory every person who lost their lives in those tragic attacks and their families. Is America in the busniess of rolling over before terrorists? If this plan for the mosque goes through it is like the government giving the honorable dead the dirty bird and spitting on their graves. Outrageous and disgusting for ANYONE to be supporting this.

Freedom to do these things is one thing, but this is a blatant slap in the face of most Americans. Why not put a Japanese flag of the rising sun next to any Pearl Harbor monuments to show how great our relationship is now! No it wouldn't be right, and most people know that.
Families of the victims should be the overriding factor for anything that happens in this area. For some this is the final resting place, the last known place their loved ones breathed their last breath.
A mosque at ground zero is tacky at the very least, and would be a bigger victory for those that despise us at most.

I agree with you wholeheartedly Jordan. The way I see it, building a Mosque at the site of the 9/11 attack is atrocious as putting up a statue of Hitler in the center of Israel.

This is an insult to every American and also to all the people who were murdered at gound zero by those Islamic terrorist. We have had enough and we do not need their imput because we have enough right in Washington, D.C. This is a sacred place and we should have a huge memorial park there to remember. Annie

goodsense_45
With all due respect, don't you think it's about time that you back off and cease from your constant posts after almost each and every post here?

It would seem that you have weighed in with your blogsite just about enough!

It's time to Quit crying. Trump Imam Feisal Rauf's Islamic Mosque plans for '911 Ground Zero. How? Well to begin with,

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It's to Quit crying. Trump Imam Feisal Rauf's Islamic Mosque plans for '911 Ground Zero. How? Well to begin with,

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Everbooty stop with the radical islam crap. it's not radical islam. everyone who is a muslim believes in the Quak ran. the so-called radical ones are not getting their ideas from the bible; they're getting them from the q'ran. so let's put the radical where it belongs - on the Q'ran.

What a textbook case of anti-Muslim prejudice!

Sorry Ahlamassaddiq. We don't need your help on this one. We got it. Sit back and enjoy the ride.

I don't see what all the fuss is about-really. let's not be so intolerant. Let the nice people build their mosque, then let's crash a plane into it. lol

Quit crying. Trump Imam Feisal Rauf's Islamic Mosque plans for '911 Ground Zero. How? Well to begin with,

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Does the Imam not realize that we do NOT need to worry about: "For America to score even higher on the 'Islamic' or 'Shariah Compliance' scale, America would need to do two things"?

Building a Mosque at on near "Ground Zero" is like building a memorial to Hitler at Auschwitz!

I believe a mosque at Ground Zero would be an official claim of conquered land.

So much complaining and whining; pathetic.

Trump Imam Feisal Rauf's Islamic Mosque plans for '911 Ground Zero. How? Well to begin with,

In light of our Master 'Yeshua's command: "So then, let your light shine like this in front of the sons of man that they should see your works and they glorify good your father who is in heaven,"

Please view my suggested Alternative to the proposed '911 ground zero' Islamic Mosque @ http://natserim.blogspot.com/

Luckily, this is not Afghanistan or Iraq. We don't believe in letting terrorists having their way.

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I don't live in Afghanistan or Iraq. But the row on this is similar to the inter-faith rows in my country on houses of worship - the where and the why.

I recognise the the similarities of "leaders" of political parties, faith-based organisations, religious groups leading the way in fanning and organising for or against houses of worship to be build.

The purpose of a terrorist is also to recruit for his cause. He is smart enough to know what some people fear most and to play on those fears. Who ever said "terrorists" are not also those in Armanis whipping the "masses" into terror with the assumption that the "masses" are too "dumb" to sit back and really question what is going on and why, and for what and whom.

I hope terrorists in all their guises don't have their way anywhere in the world too, even those "armed" with the law, or using the law.

A good weekend to you.

Thank you LIBERTYLEGALDOCS

That is exactly why Armenians were killed by Muslim Turks in 1915. They called Armenians 'gyavur' – infidel ( in Arabic and Turkish). Whoever does not believe in Allah needs to die according to Muslims.

How about we trump Imam Feisal Rauf's Islamic Mosque plans for '911 Ground Zero; for example, to wit:

In light of our Master 'Yeshua's command: "So then, let your light shine like this in front of the sons of man that they should see your works and they glorify good your father who is in heaven,"

Please view my suggested Alternative to the proposed '911 ground zero' Islamic Mosque @ http://natserim.blogspot.com/

THERE’S GOING TO BE MANY WHO WILL DENY THAT THE LORD JESUS IS THE
CHRIST (I Jn. 2:18, 22).
1. The word Christ means “the anointed of God.” This was the question of the Pharisees
(Jn. 1:19, 20).
2. Notice believing Jesus to be the Christ was the testimony of the woman of Samaria and others
(Jn. 4:41, 42), of Peter and the other disciples (Jn. 6:69).
3. Notice to believe that Jesus is the Christ is to believe that He is also the Son of God. This was
John’s purpose in writing his gospel account (Jn. 20:31) and this is the testimony of those
who are saved (Acts 8:37; Jn. 9:22, 35-38). Those who do not believe that Jesus is the
Christ will die in their sins (Jn. 8:23, 24).
4. Notice the fulfillment of these Scriptures is seen in those who view Jesus as only human and
not divine. It is also evident in cultic groups which view Him as an angelic being or as a prophet and not
as the Son of God.
**I still remember what I was doing when this attack took place, my children and I were devasted. We watched as family members carried pictures around asking others if they had seen this person and watched as pictures went up on a fence in hopes that their loved would be found. We cried many tears for the families of the victims. I am grieved over the blindness of the ones who do not realize that this mosque is a symbol of victory over the deaths of Americans. If this is truly a religon of peace, please don't build there in respect for victim's family members. NYC has a 100 other mosque to practice in. Prove to America that you are a religon of peace. There will no peace for the loved ones if this mosque is built there.

Close and seal our borders now. And throw all illegals in prison and then deport them like other countries do. Not give them everything for free.

Why should this Mosque be allowed, when a Christian church--or ANY non-Islamic church--in a Muslim country is strictly forbidden?

Is it not surprising that NY politicos would rather build a Mosc rather than building and completing the building that was going to replace the Twin Towers. Looks like the politicos are more interested in money than principle. This country was founded on Christian values and has done quite well. Do we really want to let a religion that believes that they need to dominate the country as that countries leaders in order to fullfill their religious doctrines? That would put every other religion as secondary.Check out the history of Islam.
Please do not allow this Mosc to be built so close to the 9/11 site.

This is a $100 million dollar monument to radical Islam at the heart of Ground Zero financed by terrorism, Jihad and Hamas if placed at Ground Zero is a slap in the face to our troops risking their lives to fight the war on terrorism, Jihad and Hamas, a slap in the face to the Ground Zero victims, a slap in the face to Ground Zero Memorial visitors grieving the loss of American lives, who’s thoughts and prayers will be drown out by the daily shouting of the Islamic prayer, "Allah Akbar" the same prayer shouted just before impact on the Twin Towers. This Mosque is a monument to Muslim dominance and a celebration of the murders and atrocities done on 911 at Ground Zero. Peace loving Muslims have come to America in order to escape the oppressive unjust tyranny of Shariah and Islamic law, why would any freedom loving American want a memorial at Ground Zero celebrating and glorifying radical Islam?

These are actual Quotes from the Koran. The Muslim Bible commands Muslims to murder all non-Muslims: "O Prophet! Make war against the unbelievers [all non-Muslims] and the hypocrites and be merciless against them. Their home is hell, an evil refuge indeed." (Koran, 9:73)
"When you meet the unbelievers in jihad [holy war], chop off their heads. And when you have brought them low, bind your prisoners rigorously. Then set them free or take ransom from them until the war is ended." (Koran, 47:4)
"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and his messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be to be killed or crucified, or to have their hands and feet chopped off on opposite sides, or to be expelled out of the land. Such will be their humiliation in the world, and in the next world they will face an awful horror." (Koran, 5:33-34)
"When we decide to destroy a population, we send a definite order to them who have the good things in life and yet sin. So that Allah's word is proven true against them, then we destroy them utterly." (Koran, 17:16-17)
"In order that Allah may separate the pure from the impure, put all the impure ones [all non-Muslims] one on top of another in a heap and cast them into hell. They will have been the ones to have lost." (Koran, 8:37)
"How many were the populations we utterly destroyed because of their sins, setting up in their place other peoples." (Koran, 21:11)
"Remember Allah inspired the angels: I am with you. Give firmness to the believers. I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: you smite them above their necks and smite all their fingertips off of them." (Koran, 8:12)

Our politicians and all American citizens need to wake up and support the U.S. Constitution and all that it stands for. As of now our politicians are out for them selves instead of representing the people that they were elected by. We need term limits on serving as Congressman and Senators and some kind of accountability. Right now our politicians are acting criminal and disrespecting the people they represent. Not all politicians but most of them are apathetic about actually doing the job they were elected for. Playing golf 7 times while the Gulf was being destroyed or switching parties just to keep their sorry butts in office. We need to fix this country that we are leaving for our children. Not, submit to Socialism, Shariah law or terrorists. And if you immigrate legally to the U. S. you are now an American. Not some hyphenated derivative.

Something else we must consider, relevant to this mosque and the whole picture. Let us take into account the WHOLE picture:

The Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC), a mammoth pan-Islamic NGO composed of 57 governments is known for its “10 Year Plan of Action,” calling on all governments worldwide to institute “deterrent punishments” for the “crime” of “Islamophobia.” This is the same OIC that annually sponsors (and passes) resolutions in the U.N. General Assembly to prohibit “defamation of religions” (i.e. Islam). Barack Obama controversially appointed Rashad Hussein as a special US envoy to the OIC this year. The $325,000 transferred to CAIR was earmarked to fund a major OIC conference on “Islamophobia” at Georgetown University.

Our President Obama has actively promoted the acceptance and appreciation of Islam. He admonished the Director of NASA to make "Muslim outreach" "perhaps foremost" mission of NASA. I can remember when President Kennedy said the foremost mission of NASA was to go to the moon. The world is changing isn't it?

I am wondering if "Islamophobia" will be criminalized in the USA. Does this mean those of us opposed to Islam for its racist Supremacist ideology will be arrested? Those of us just afraid but silent? Those Islamist experts sounding the alarm for Western Civilizations will be arrested? What's next?

Also, I wonder why we do not make death threats by "peaceful religious" demonstrators illegal. Why does Great Britain tolerate these violently hostile death threats in public places? Because it is politically correct?

It is about time, we challenged Islam. Not bend to it. Bow to it. We must challenge all Muslims in the world to step into the 21st century. Re-write the Quran. Take out the Supremacist racist hatred, the calls to kill all infidels. Remove those hateful instructions to slay non-muslims, and we'll even help you put a stone up to build a mosque. Until you are willing to end your hostility and movement to dominate our world, we will not accept your mosque.

We are a compassionate nation. Yes. That is why so many people come to our land. We do not kill people because they are not Christian. Hindus, Buddhists, Aetheists, Agnostics, Gays, all live here freely protected by our Constitution. None of our scriptures instruct us to kill Muslims. So change yours.

On the day that the muslims and the Imam allow the Christians or the Jews to build a house of worship to Jesus and Jehovah on the Dome Of The Rock, maybe then we`ll talk!!!!! I am quite certain that`s not going to happen.

Are we to permit the erection of a monument in honor of those who killed our fellow Americans and who daily pray to their God for the destruction of this countery?

How about we trump Imam Feisal Rauf's Islamic Mosque plans for '911 Ground Zero; for example, to wit:

In light of our Master 'Yeshua's command: "So then, let your light shine like this in front of the sons of man that they should see your works and they glorify good your father who is in heaven,"

Please view my suggested Alternative to the proposed '911 ground zero' Islamic Mosque @ http://natserim.blogspot.com/

The US does not need to rank anywhere on the Islamic scale! We are a Christian nation and its time we start acting like one. If this mosque is allowed to be built this will be viewed as a vitory over the infidel in a muslim's eyes especially radicals. This sort of thing would not even be an issue with those who fought in WWII because they clearly understood what our nation stands for and that freedom always comes by the ultimate scrifice of lives and those who perished on 9/11 paid dearly for those left behind. Do not disgrace their memories by allowing so called "peaceful" muslims to build on the very sight they lost their lives!!!!

OMG!!! what's happening to this country? are we all losing our minds? Moreover, are we losing our values, our liberty, our dignity? Building a mosque on ground zero is a huge victory trophy to Islamic terrorists and extremists across the globe. To them it means one thing: We won! This will also be the cue to move on to the next step. I am asking myself were are all these millions of Americans who love this country and are ready to be standing at Ground Zero and prevent such an outrageous act.

Well, if the millions aren't arriving and do not care about the future of the United States and if the Mayor is not willing to wake up and listen it will take only a few of us to solve the problem, and by very simple means: a huge Pork Roast BBQ at the site and/or A farmers' pilgrimage and Pig Parade will deter them from taking over the site.

Try it out - it will work like a charm!

How would they feel if we blew up one on their mosques at prayer time and then decided it would be a good Idea to build a monument to the victims afterwords on a spot two blocks away. I don't think that they would stand for it. Enough said!
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A lot of mosques blown up already in the "war on terror" in Afghanistan and Iraq and with people inside. They are simply rebuild.
Luckily, this is not Afghanistan or Iraq. We don't believe in letting terrorists having their way.

We are NOT communists; we are NOT socialists; we do NOT believe in Sharia law for Americans. Christians, WAKE UP!!! 2 Chronicles 7:14 "If my people, who are called by my Name, will humble themselves and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from Heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land." We are loosing our rights as American Christians and citizens. And, contrary to what our politicians would like us to believe, WE ARE A CHRISTIAN NATION....let's not ever forget that fact! WAKE UP!!!

If we let them build a mosque in NYC, will they let us build a memorial in their country to commemorate the over 3000 American lives they took - I doubt it!
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In light of our Master 'Yeshua's command: "So then, let your light shine like this in front of the sons of man that they should see your works and they glorify good your father who is in heaven,"

Please view my suggested Alternative to the proposed '911 ground zero' Islamic Mosque @ http://natserim.blogspot.com/

How would they feel if we blew up one on their mosques at prayer time and then decided it would be a good Idea to build a monument to the victims afterwords on a spot two blocks away. I don't think that they would stand for it. Enough said!

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A lot of mosques blown up already in the "war on terror" in Afghanistan and Iraq and with people inside. They are simply rebuild.

I am Armenian and as most of you know Armenians went through the first genocide of the 20th century. It was a deliberate and systematic destruction of the Armenian population by the Ottoman Empire (Turkey), which took place in 1915.

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Not taking that with Turkey directly?

First to tie Park 51 with and make Saudi Arabia pay for 9/11.

Now to tie Park 51 with and make Turkey pay for the Armenian genocide.

Thank you GLEN_H! This Imam is accusing the US as being an accessory to the 911 attacks??!!! He and his developer will NOT call Hamas a terrorist organization, much less denounce it in public. It's in plain sight for everyone to see what a hUGE mistake this would be. Thank you ACLJ!

How would they feel if we blew up one on their mosques at prayer time and then decided it would be a good Idea to build a monument to the victims afterwords on a spot two blocks away. I don't think that they would stand for it. Enough said!

What a slap in the face to all those who lost their lives during 911 and to their families. Absurdity in America.

I think it is absolutely absurd and greatly insulting to the people of the United States and to the victims and their families of the 9/11 tragedy.

I am Armenian and as most of you know Armenians went through the first genocide of the 20th century. It was a deliberate and systematic destruction of the Armenian population by the Ottoman Empire (Turkey), which took place in 1915. Now Turkey has been trying to reconcile with Armenians and suggests that we need to simply move on and forget about our lands and reparations. I can imagine if the next suggestion from Turks would be to build a mosque in Armenia in remembrance of 2 million Armenians that were killed by them during Genocide. Mind blowing…. No Armenian would ever let that happen.

As an American citizen who greatly appreciates and loves this county and its values I call upon every American to go on http://www.aclj.org and add your name to the group of 20623 Americans to STOP THE GROUND ZERO MOSQUE!!!

Leaders in America propose to do the EXACT same thing as the Muslim...build a 13 story Church and a 13 story Temple and Cultural Center's RIGHT NEXT to the proposed Mosque...

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Start a fund for that.

Buy the buildings next to Park 51.

Preferably Park 50 and Park 52.

Let your light shine before all men; Light always drives out darkness.

Please view my suggested Alternative to the proposed '911 ground zero' Islamic Mosque @ http://natserim.blogspot.com/

The audacity of the Muslim community suggest building a mosque at the site of the 9/11 Muslim terrorists attacks. That NYC community planners would even consider the proposal is inconcievable. No one will ever forget the videos of bonfires and black-robed Muslims singing and dancing; celebrating in the streets as the rubble of the towers still smoldered or the Muslim Head of State who said the United States deserved it. Muslim leaders have made it very clear: Muslims hate Jews, Muslims hate Christians, and Muslims really hate Americans. In the Middle East, Muslims can't even get along with each other. The victims did not deserve to be so brutally MURDERED that day. To allow Muslims to celebrate and dance on their graves is an outrage.

Please view my suggested Alternative to the proposed '911 ground zero' Islamic Mosque @ http://natserim.blogspot.com/

I have had a burning idea in the back of my mind since all this BS started...Why don't the Christian and Judaic Leaders in America propose to do the EXACT same thing as the Muslim...build a 13 story Church and a 13 story Temple and Cultural Center's RIGHT NEXT to the proposed Mosque...now that would liven things up wouldn't it after all if this is just a culturtal center why would Islam object...they couldn't with out showing their biggeted,biased, Anti American, Christian/Jewish hatred...then there would the possibility of suing for hate crimes amoung other's also discrimination if the Feds or NY State said to the the Jewish and Christian sites but approves the Muslim...this is so simple to derail

I think we should just let them build the mosque and who knows maybe the mahdi will come back or something and then the islamic jesus will come. Then the rapture Yea, lets build this mosque. Sorry, I'm an apocalyptic christian.

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Let the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse come. Let Gog and Magog come. Let the Anti-Christ come.

No worry for you. You'll be taken up to heaven in Rapture. Just let me see all happening. I'll write you about it.

We will never forget. We will never give in. We will never give up. We will never surrender.

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Sounds like a line from "Galaxy Quest".

The mosque should not be built there. I believe they (the muslims) are trying to show some power, and want to further antagonize the American people. The President is also muslim, but he is useless in helping a situation as he wantede the trials of the ones who did the 9/11 wrath to come back and spew idiocy. Please put this mosque elsewhere, as I believe it will just be used for more extremists, and the end product will be an ugly situation in downtown NY.

Hasn't anyone noticed that as Christians become more devout, they bcome better people and as Muslims become more devout, they become more radical?The only non-radical Muslims I know about are decidedly moderate and not at all devout. Wake up America! We are losing our country by tolerance of things we find offensive to Christian America in order to be seen as non offensive to everyone seeking to destroy our way of life.

The audacity of the Muslim community to suggest building a Mosque at the sight of the 9/11 Muslim Terrorists attacks ...That NYC community planners would even consider the proposal is inconcievable. We can't forget the videos of the Palestinians dancing in their streets or the Muslim Head of State who said the United States deserved it. Muslim Leaders have been very clear: Muslims hate Jews, Muslims hate Christians and Muslims REALLY hate Americans. In the Middle East, they can't even get along with each other. The victims so brutally MURDERED in the towers that day didn't deserve to die. To allow Muslims to celebrate and literally dance on their graves is an OUTRAGE!!!!

With all due respect to the author. The truth about the Global Islamization movement is far too complex for a blog post. We've been given the answers by a great number of Islamist experts. The mosque has to be at Ground Zero because it is the site of the vanquished. Two blocks of 3000 slain Americans is close enough. It is ludicrous for the CI to assert the choice of this building was "an accident." Just more of their "taqiyya." In Islam history, wherever a region was conquered a mosque was erected at the sacred sites of the vanquished. The mosque of Mecca, al-Aqsa mosque, the Umayyad mosque, Hagia Sophia (converted after conquest); ALL these MAJOR MOSQUES were built at the SACRED SITES of the VICTIMS they SLAUGHTERED. One of our biggest problems is the political correctness of our own Mayor Bloomberg, Board 1 and the Landmark Commission. And this same political correctness is what many of our friends in Europe now warn us against. In actuality this debate should not be about religious tolerance. But rather about our intolerance of Supremacist racist ideology. We are not the racists. We are the infidels. It is ironic and beyond fathom our city leaders do not get that Islam is racist, hostile and violent toward non-muslims. And unless the Quran is re-written it shall remain so. The failure of the West to understand the masterminded agenda of Global Islamization may be our undoing. It is time for us to see through this fraudulent hostile take-over. To see the evil intent behind this organization and its adherents. 100 million dollars. How many organizations do you think can come up with that kind of money, and just to have an interfaith dialogue with us. Last I checked, we were at war! Stop drinking the Koolaid Mayor Bloomberg!! We can do better than that! Our children and grandchildren will either be living in oppression under Islam, or living as free Americans. One decision will ensure the outcome.
We have been warned: "…the largest mosque in America will be used as a base to subvert the rest of the United States.” There is a plethora of information, if you read, and if you can face and contemplate horrific truth. So many of us are waking up to the truth. We must not allow this mosque to be built.

We will never forget. We will never give in. We will never give up. We will never surrender.

As a muslim and a citizen i think ppl, ESPECIALLY ppl like Mr. Sekulow, need to remember that muslims were hit too on 9/11. We lost people in the attacks. We lost the security and safety of the lives we had carved out for ourselves. We lost our sense of belonging here. A 13 floor mosque and interfaith center near ground zero would go a ong way towards reclaiming what 19 men took away from us as well. I plan to be there if and when this mosque opens, with me family, celebrating the triumph of islam over terror.
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Do you people know anything about islamic eschatology? Islam is all about terrorism. I think we should just let them build the mosque and who knows maybe the mahdi will come back or something and then the islamic jesus will come. Then the rapture Yea, lets build this mosque. Sorry, I'm an apocalyptic christian.

Now the Tea Party is in full swing here.

More fruitcakes?

I agree with Jordan!But, i am afraid it is to late! i am a christian who believes the muslum religion is the one and the same religion spoken of in REVELATION.A one world religion, that everybody else believes to be rome or the european union.People, it is here!!! and they will impose theirselves upon us, and there won't be a thing we can do about it, except LOOK TO JESUS!!!! BECAUSE HE IS THE ONLY ONE TO STOP THIS NOW!!!! HE IS OUR ONLY SALVATION ,NOT OUR GOVERNMENT FOR SURE!!!! In the purpose of peace ,our government WILL approve this.when you see this happening,you will know that i tell you the TRUTH!!

The building of the mosque would rub salt in a wound made by Islam, granted by radicals but they are still representing Islam. Where is the voice of the Muslims who are anti violence. They are probably afraid to speak out for fear of reprisal. Yes this is America land of the free but like a person is not free to shout fire in a crowded theater when there is no fire, so is this insult to America's psyche over 9/11. Yes this is a democracy and people are free but since it is a democracy majority rules and should not be forced to be imposed upon by the political correct when an issue is morally wrong.

WHY should there be any muslims or mosques on American soil, at all, anywhere??
WHY are they permitted to enter OUR country, much less reside here??
Clean out the garbage and forbid any future entry into the USA, for any reason!!
This has nothing to do with religion, it's about National Defense and Homeland Security and protecting Americans from these garbage barbarians!!
WHY is it that you never learn from the past, til it's too late and more lives are lost or destroyed??

This country was founded on God's principles! This is my USA and I do not support a religion that is trying to destroy us. No mosque! Stand firm America and do not allow this to happen! Let them go home and build their mosque on their home land not ours.

It's a very sad day in America as corporate greed stands far greater than American pride. This Mosque is an insult to EVERY American who has fought for democracy and rights...I'm sure that there are some good Muslims out there, however America has been taken hostages in Iran and America (the bombings at the trade center TWICE;) and we stand by corporate greed to welcome the very people who took innocent lives, those who welcome this Mosque should know longer live here in America, how about in the Middle East or Indonesia where tolerance is not so granted.

"Behead those who oppose the Ground Zero mosque".

Thats what they said in England over the mega-mosque, looks like they are not quite ready to go that far here.

Yet.

Thank God for Jordan Sekulow and his stance on this subject. We must all take a stand against this proposal of a Mosque to be built. Who are they to build a Mosque on the site where many lives were lost? What is this world coming to when there is no sanctity, no remorse and no respect for the Country in which they live.

I find it to be terrible that the people of the United States would let a mosque be built by those who succeeded in murdering thousands of Americans in the name of allah!! Wake up Americans and realize that the only mission of the muslims is to have their religion of violence become the only "religion" in the world instead of the one true religion known as Christianity.

This mosque is an insult to OUR martyrs. Allowing it is beyond bearing. Are we so PC that we can't see what this is? Would the dead could speak! Do we give on everything that can get publicity? This is shameful. For Muslims and Americans who support this.

They can build anywhere else in New York. This is another Islamic gesture of power over Americans.

Actually the ACLJ (Sekulow's organization) was set up specifically to be like the ACLU, but only for Christians. That way, the ACLU ends up defending only non-Christians (on religious matters) and people like Pat Robertson don't have to begrudgingly admit they defend all religions equally.

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Thanks for clarifying on the differences between ACLJ and ACLU. How sly of them to use that so ignorant foreigners may, could fooled by the almost similar acronyms.

Okay, then why are there separate Jewish courts that handle disputes within the Jewish community? And, if the ACLJ is a "religious freedom" organization, when will your group be defending a Pagan's freedom of religion? Or a Moslem's? Or a Buddhist's?

A 'Mosque'Church, Sinagogue, Temple without A Imam/Rabbi/Priest... is No ABErahamic nor a Vedic Religion. A Rabbi/Imam/Priest is inseparable from the House of Worship, or place (for Organized) of such.

The U.nited S.tates Should Create a "U.S. Religious Police" that looks for any Domestic clandestine, stealth activities perpetrated (directly) or indirectly & ventriloquised by such Captains of [responsible] Mosques, Sinagogue, temples etc.. Note: But but a Synagogue, Mosque is not like a Ship Way out in the Atlantic etc.. It is in/on-Land. Soo this means that All, Every & Any, Imam, Revi, Friar etc.. must never flout the SECULAR-LAW(s), includes Bending Them or obviously coasting between OUR Secular-Law(s).; NO Exceptions. Note: The U.N. should also have such a Body thereto coordinated with "INTERPOL" (call it; "INTERREL"?

A Powerful tool is the I.R.S. "501 (c) 3". But but; The MOSQUES (unlike Synagogue's, churchs or temples) can Live w/out Such 'Tax-Exempt' Privilege (which is NOt a Right, by the way). WHY?

Because They get (unlimited) Funding from Petro Rich Islami ARABous's, and poor islami Ummah(i.e. Pakistan, who hath a "Sunni-A-Bomb?), via their "ELDER'S of 'AL TAQIYAH'" with a Centralized (like Vatican) THEOCRACY having two Flavors; 1) Sunni (majority) and Shia (minority) and their Leaderships are from the "WAHHABI" School and the "AYATOLLAH" school/Branch (un)respectfully.

Note: AL AQSA Dome (stolen from Jews with Gazan's helper who were forced and turned into Islami (ex-Baal Worshipers) around 637 CE/AD) in JERUSALEM, is sitting on King Solomon's Mount (2nd Temple). This scenerio can be applied to ELDERS of AL TAQIYAH ummah/Loyalists/Agents building a Mosque at or on top of the WTC/911 Site.

BEWARE: Keep Ye Eyes On Islami TURKEY-agent in this Nation. They are trying to undermine/subvert certain Neighborhoods through-out the U.S.A. And Keep ye eyes on Neo-Fascist-ishlami-TURKEY from [trouble Makers] Ankara. They proved that They are Not Secularists, even when wearing Secular Garb.

There are now (4)Four ABRAHAMi Religions [Jew, Xsrstian, Islami, Mormoni) all competing for a Name for G-D, (Ishvara, Allah...), includes their Imam's, Revi's, Father's, Elder's, etc.. so This is NOt a Cartoon; it's more that that!

As a muslim and a citizen i think ppl, ESPECIALLY ppl like Mr. Sekulow, need to remember that muslims were hit too on 9/11. We lost people in the attacks. We lost the security and safety of the lives we had carved out for ourselves. We lost our sense of belonging here. A 13 floor mosque and interfaith center near ground zero would go a ong way towards reclaiming what 19 men took away from us as well. I plan to be there if and when this mosque opens, with me family, celebrating the triumph of islam over terror.

"I reject the argument that those against this mosque are anti-Islam or against religious freedom."

And I reject that I have to go to work tomorrow. That means I don't have to go to work, right?

" There is no place for Shariah law or Canon law in the United States judicial system"!
I agree!! wait.. what are you talking about? Is that where we're headed?

Is the author's concern honestly that a muslim community center could lead to an entanglement of church and state, once Muslims use the community center to change American Laws? (I believe he says that this might happen when Feisal Rauf somehow mobilizes his public- presumably they can meet at the community center- and spreads the message of Shariah law until we're so moved we decide to redraft the Constitution)

Hopefully this sort of opinion makes the people who are opposed to the mosque realize how irrational their fears are.

"Mr. Sekulow, as a human rights attorney, presemably, would fight for the rights of Feisal Rauf to write nonsense on Shariah in the US which is never possible by US Constitution..."

Actually the ACLJ (Sekulow's organization) was set up specifically to be like the ACLU, but only for Christians. That way, the ACLU ends up defending only non-Christians (on religious matters) and people like Pat Robertson don't have to begrudgingly admit they defend all religions equally.

I'm exercising my right to be as insensitive and dumb as ever on this and everything else.

So, Cordoba House is really at Park 51, some two blocks away from Ground Zero and in a neighbourhood not quite spanky. I have no idea how some 5 - 7 million American Muslims can impose Shariah in the US.

Think of funding and donations for Park 51/ Cordaba House as investment in American decrepit property to add value
to the neighbourhood or "post-war" reconstruction. The Muslim Plan, not quite on a scale of the Marshall Plan in Europe, to rebuild after destruction.

Mr. Sekulow, as a human rights attorney, presemably, would fight for the rights of Feisal Rauf to write nonsense on Shariah in the US which is never possible by US Constitution, as much as he would fight for the rights of women to have abortions, and the rights of Pat Robertson to espouse nonsense on Rapture, Armageddon etc.

Think I'll donate to the Cordaba Initiative for that gym in it, and other Gaza flotillas so Gazans can have more than junk food allowed for them, just to annoy enough folks to keep Mr. Sekulow relevant and in business.

maryp123, you sound like well intentioned credulous tool. Did you know there are already 100 mosques already in NYC, for 600,000 muslims? If you do not believe me read this

http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/panelists/pamela_k_taylor/2010/07/mosque_at_ground_zero_is_ok.html

Also read my elaborate comment under that article.

This article and the line of argumentation is mildly absurd. Mr. Sekulow is saying that because the Imam supports a judiciary system which infuses religious law with constitutional law, he shouldn't be allowed to finance a mosque- as if the Mosque will be built, and the constitution will tossed out of the window? Protect the constitution by opposing the building of a mosque that is near, but not quite in, the area where the world trade centers used to stand! Ridiculous.

Of course I understand that the mosque is controversial, and perhaps an unnecessary provocation- a sad, but true fact. Also upsetting is the fact that this has turned into such a massive news story.

That being said, I find this article disingenuous, manipulative and needlessly provocative. Furthermore, as the international representative for the ACLJ, you'd think Mr. Sekulow would have a better understanding of cultural relativism and the fact that not everyone thinks like americans. Of course the Imam's ideas of infusing law and religion are diametrically opposed to the american judiciary system. However, such views are common in other parts of the world, and do not on their own, constitute a threat to our constitutional democracy. That is just silly.

Mr Sekulow's primary argument is this:
"Our supreme law is the United States Constitution. There is no place for Shariah law or Canon law in the United States judicial system. America is a nation founded on constitutional rights and the separation of powers. All Americans, regardless of religious belief, must reject those who advocate for government-sponsored, taxpayer-funded religious law jurists and courts"

Of course theres no place for Shariah law in the Constitution. If we are in fact going to have to adopt Shariah law if the mosque is built, then I also think the mosque is a terrible idea.

Also, where in the constitution does it say that we must "reject those who advocate [certain ideas]"?! The constitution says just the opposite. Freedom of speech is a cornerstone of American democracy - that means that everyone's ideas- popular or controversial, are protected.

Again, I agree that- largely due to the fact that the media has turned this into a national issue- perhaps its too soon to have a mosque near ground zero. But, to say that a mosque cannot be built because the guy who's probably funding it has different ideas about law and government is absolutely ridiculous.

Bloomberg and his self-appointed team of
islamic-kissing Preservation Commission
have been bought-out by throwback islamists by dirty-islamic dollars,and much
could be american tax $s through the back-door.No sane person will ever support
islamic terrorists and such evil in a 'mosque'

Discuss.

Yeah, that's about where the argument stops.

On the bright side, a mega-mosque would give us single rallying point to hold demonstrations at whenever a Muslim terror attack occurs.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Discuss.

Why does the Washington Post not have the courage to raise these questions directly? Is the paper too terrified of upsetting muslim sensibilities? The questions riased in this article should be the first questions being asked by journalists. Why does Imam Rauf think the US is at fault for 9/11? Why does he want to alter our constitution? Where is the money coming from? I'd love to see a real journalist pluck up the courage to ask. However, given your track record, I'm not holding my breath.

Why is this even a question? If they want to use the current building which has historical significance I would be disgusted but support it. But to pull down a historical building that was damaged by the attacks of islamic terrorists, to build a new temple to islam, when NYC already has numourous mosques is an outrage.
We would not let a historic Christian church in a historic district and build a ultra modern church. Why are we letting these people to do this?

Hi. I agree with Jordan Sekulow. This mosque CANNOT be built!!!! I think that the people behind this mosque are seeking to make a statement of triumph over the USA who they have said is like Satan and is their enemy. If they had any intention of peace, bridge-building, or even the least respect for people's feelings, the last place they would think of building an Islamic mosque is at Ground Zero. And the absolute proof that their intention is to insult and mock our country is that they would dedicate this mosque on exactly the same day as the tenth anniversary of 9/11. How could they be so insensitive? The answer is that they are insensitive and simply don't care about our feelings because they hate the USA. We have come to expect this kind of attitude from these extremists. But my main question is how can so many NYC officials, including the mayor, be so naive and blind? Wake up Mr. Mayor!!! You want to be tolerant of these insults to the people of the USA??? What about understanding how a mosque at Ground Zero will effect the hearts of the relatives of the 9/11 victims who are buried there? Where is your tolerance for their feelings??? You wanted a third term? Do something to show that you deserve it!!! Veto this monstrosity of an insult to your City and to the rest of the USA!!! Please!!!

over my dead body