Another JFK moment?
With former Utah governor Jon Huntsman and former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney both believed to be gearing up for a run for the presidency, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has again found itself answering questions about what these two prominent members believe.
Post reporter Sandhya Somashekhar wrote in a story published Tuesday that Mormon leaders see the ascendancy of these and other Mormons (such as convert Glenn Beck) as a sign "that the community has finally 'arrived,'" but added "researchers say there remains a deep mistrust of Mormons and that little has changed in public opinion to suggest that voters will be more open this year than they were in 2007."
If conservative Christian and Mormons share a political agenda, why do suspicions still plague Mormon politicians? Do media personalities such as Glenn Beck help or hurt the cause?
In our time we grant less and less faith to human beings in general, so I don't think this is directed towards Mormons alone. No one today appears to be true to their faith or true to God. Religion is frequently reduced to rituals, often meaningless and insincere.
Any religion that uses the power of money and media to convert others to their belief becomes suspect in my eyes. Proselytizing, unfortunately, is the weakness of all the western family of religions and Mormons are a part of this family. Lately, they have been spending enormous amounts of money in a television campaign to lure people to their church. It reminds me of something my grandfather, M. K. Gandhi, once told E. Stanley Jones, a United Methodist preacher in India who had befriended my grandfather.
When Rev. Jones wanted to know why the Hindu "untouchables" (low castes) were not accepting the Christian invitation to join their fold and enjoy dignity and equality. My grandfather said: "When you stop talking about how good your religion is and start living it not only the low castes but everyone else will want to join your religion."
Proselytizing has introduced competition, jealousy and mistrust in everyone, especially in fellow Christians. If multiple groups are trying to grab a major portion of the pie there is bound to be competition which quickly leads to jealousy in those who do not succeed as much as the other. That jealousy inevitably turns to hate and affects the whole society by its negativity.
I recall there was the same controversy and suspicion when John F. Kennedy stood for elections. At that time, many Protestants worried that the U.S. would be ruled by the Vatican because Kennedy was a Catholic.
It is sad that the misuse and exploitation of our faiths has made it impossible for good people to aspire to high political offices.
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Arun Gandhi
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February 8, 2011; 4:46 PM ET
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Posted by: Vanka | February 19, 2011 1:13 PM
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nice points and it must be special to be able to use family . to illustrate thoughts and process, and spirituality. While i subscribe to the idea it should not matter what religion our president is because of the separation of church and government, i don't think we can discount morality of the individual who runs for president. I don't think we are looking for perfection which is unobtainable in human form but Rather how a persons track record is after it becomes apparent they have made a mistake. the moral person will quickly admit it and either try to make it right or at least get out of the way so another can correct the problem. Some choose to lie to themselves first maybe then cover up and deny and blame. Richard Nixon was a Quaker, even with the separation of church and state i would be very interested in seeing some of his personal thoughts of how he justified, escalating the Vietnam war, breaking the criminal laws of our land as well as the constitution,,and being apparently dishonest in his words at times to the public. . Of course he did some wonderful things like opening up the dialog with China and others i could name. no person follows a single predictable moral path.. Nixon's discrepancies seem to me a little extreme making me as a human curious how he squared it all in his own mind.. perhaps character and previous real life choices made by a man or a women is more of an indicator of fitness rather than the particular sect or religion they practice.
Posted by: artistkvip1 | February 12, 2011 3:46 AM
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potaboc
"It is interesting that, contrary to what the writer says, lower castes in India are in fact converting to Christianity to enjoy dignity and freedom. This is one of the reasons for the widespread hostility to Christian missionaries - they disrupt the caste system".
Yeah, but they've been converting to Islam for hundreds of years for the same reason.
Out of the fire and into the frying pan you might say - whichever way they jump.
India is a beautiful but heart-breaking country; so many live in conditions of desperate poverty which their children in turn will inherit. They are trapped in a culture that has hardly changed in three thousand years. And change seems beyond anyone's ability. Even Mahatma Gandhi tried and failed.
If all the peoples of India were educated - maybe religion and the caste system would weaken and eventually disappear. But without education nothing can change.
Posted by: Rongoklunk | February 10, 2011 8:43 PM
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Posted by: IN_IT_WE_TRUST | February 10, 2011 6:04 PM
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P O T A B O C et al:
J-E-A-L-O-U-S-Y is the Culprit behind ALL/EVERY of Man-Made (Religion) competing SYSTEMs! Apocalyptically defined:
"JEALOUSY; Is The FEAR of loosing what one wants for oneself, whether felt by Humanity//Huematinity, observed by US in other ANIMALS (i.e., RAM, COW, EAGLE, SNAKE), or attributed to some Deity (i.e.,MOLECH, OSIRIS, ZEUS, YAHWEH, JESUS, KRISHNA..) in our 'RELIGION' and worshiped as if GOOD and NOt the Kali/Jinn/Devil/Satan... of such a belief."
HERE is an APOCALYPTARi-ON 's Birds-Eye View, not only World, of the TRUE(opposite MYTH) in the Messages//meaning of either
BHAGAVADIA & BHAGAVADIANS:
Are the Prophetic Names for HINDU fulfillment & BUDDHIST fulfillment of the [3 major Religions; JUDEO's, ISLAMO's & VEDICO's] INFIXUS-BOOKS. & predicted in their Bhagavadic-Scriptures, saying,
"When YE mind Leaves Behind It's Dark Forest of Personal-Delusion, YO Shall Go Beyond The Scriptures Of Times-Past" [Similar]. Soo,
BHAGAVADIA = APOCALYPSE, and BHAGAVADIANS = APOCALYPTARIANS or like Us APOCALYPTALIENS. Bhagavadic = Apocalypse in the Same-Sense that the FREUDIAN SLIPS OF GENUINE PROPHECY running through the JUDEO//CHRISTIAN Scriptures also 'Predict' similar things for HUEMATE//HUMAN fulfillment on [THIS] particular Nebula-Built Holyi Space-Ship AND
In OUR "SPACEFORTH" efforts/Endeavors which are/is definitely APOCALYPTIC" and for the "HEALING OF THE NATIONS"; World Wide. Hence, "THINK GLOBALLY 1st and Act LOCALLY 2nd"!
Note: the 'Prophetic-Names' for the ISHLAMICs//ISLAMIC (MOSLEM//MUSLIMs) fulfillment of Similar 'Prediction's in their "GLORIUS QURAN//QURAN", NOt only via the "HOLY-GEETA//KANGYUR" where there are/is "ZILZAL and ZILZALIANS".
Such 'FREUDIAN SLIPS OF GENUINE PROPHECY' are 'Zilzalic' in the-Same Sense that the 'Bhagavadic-Predictions' art Also Apocalyptic!? THEREFORE
PRE-APOCALYPTIC (unlike US ApocalypticALLs) like wise means Pre-Zilzalic and "Pre-Bhagavadic".
Note: "BIBLIOMANIAC(S)" is a Apocalyptic term that means; "... the relentless enforcement of such [Pre-Apocalyptic Religio} bedevilment/ing JEALOUSY over EVERY-Body else in [THIS] Holyi space-Ship (aka WORLD; Not so old & not So New) but [THEiR] that particular MYTHOLOGY
does-NOt-SCHEEM or SEEM irrational to those WE [i] EKLAHTALIENS//Apocalyptarians have been by it/Them, thus THEY (Pre-Apocalyptarians) become BIBLIOMANIACS Accordingly".
Interestingly There is an Apocalyptarian words, "BOLLIX & BOLLIXERS" Americanly defined as:
"A slang, 'To Throw Into Confusion'." So, Folks whom are confused (By their 'Handlers' aka BOLLIXER(s)) are apt to distort those Belief$ to self et al to JU$TIFY Confu$ion?! O' PRIET$ & IMAM$ in HOOD$! Anyone?
Posted by: IN_IT_WE_TRUST | February 10, 2011 12:27 PM
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It is interesting that, contrary to what the writer says, lower castes in India are in fact converting to Christianity to enjoy dignity and freedom. This is one of the reasons for the widespread hostility to Christian missionaries - they disrupt the caste system.
Posted by: potaboc | February 10, 2011 9:34 AM
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Note.
"INVERSE CRUCIBLE", when Taken with 5-Five Major INFIXUS BOOKS; OLD Test, New Test, Geeta Test, Quran Test & Kangyur tests; For FAITH EXCHANGING Purposes and World Peace means;
"When the Positions of the things in a sequence begin to exchange with one another so that the interchanges of their arrangement & relations to each-other becomes just the opposite as before & they-can-now-Proceed (yes) in the opposite direction of their PRIOR VERSION that
A CRUCIBLE-iNVERSION hath Occurred among THEM. Soo, The "LAST SHALL BE FIRST (LIFO) and the FIRST LAST (FIFO)" as FREUDIANLY SLIPED and said by Rabbi Jesus (2nd Lawyer) himself around 2000 years ago. before the B.O.T. (Book Of TRANSF{INITY, aka the SUPREMEPARATESTAMENT , aka the ULTRAPARATESTAMENT of the One Universal Religion of US HOlyi COsmic FEelers FAither's {HO-CO-FE-FA] SYSTEM of belief appeared and which was recently INTROVISIONED & Printed (1969 to 1989 and 2009+).
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"HEALING OF NATIONS"; means; As predicted by all 5 (or 3) major Infixus Books saying about FUTURE-TIMES, such as the APOCALYPTARIANS are rising-Up today [2011+] thus
"THEY SINING A NEW-SONG .. For The HEALING OF THE NATIONS .. & THERE SHALL BE NO MORE CURSE [similar]" because they shall (Thank"IT") and now Apocalyptically Discrediting the MOST EVIL STORY EVER TOLD ON (Nebula-Built Space-Ship) EARTH (i.e. the Drunk Racist Noach Story or the Krishna Arjuna WAR BLESSING Story or the Kafir/Goy Hatred Stories, castes etc.) and
so, "The-People" can finally agree according to the APOCALYPTIC Evidence, NO longer Pre-Apocalyptic alone. Note: Thus in fact NEW com'th from OLD nay ever other way rounds.
REMEMBER the BATTLE OF GOG (TRUTH) and MAGOG (ILLUSION) story's?? So, EVERY Human//HUEMATE on Space ship Earth is due to go through this Battle? within HIM/HER self as they come in contact (not Only with the TRUTH (opposite MYTH) but via the One Universal REligion [Book]. aka the RELIGION OF EVERYTHING before the SCIENCE os EVERYTHING, Or
Through its HEURISTICS in other People as the HISTORICAL-Process of Apocalyptically discrediting ALL the PRE-Apocalyptic [competing for a Name for gods, instead of "IT"] System(s) of Human thinking Globally & takes place and gives the-People the D.A.B.D.A. JITTERS
Please see: The Stages that one Goes through when loosing someone or thing Dear to them: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%BCbler-Ross_model
... until they complete the "ARMAGEDDON-EXPERIENCE" that this great "COSMIC-Struggle" is Also Prophetically Called or referenced. Interestingly, Apocalyptically speaking please see,
"PROPHETIC RELEASE FROM THE BOTTOMLESS PITT" : the Sense of release that the-People of S.S. Earth art prophetically destined to faithfully experience as they individually receive the TRANSF{INITE-MESSAGE .. seeing that the 'Bottomless Pit' is the JEALOUSY of the SATAN which people hath been worshiping as if BRIGHT-SIDE & NOt DARK-SIDE?!
Posted by: IN_IT_WE_TRUST | February 9, 2011 6:21 PM
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N O M O S T A E:
Note: i[WE]art nay Mormon.
"MORMON" as APOCALYPTICALLY defined is;
Are The-People Of the America's whom SUPPORT "GRIDARIAN DEMOCRACY" FOR "TRANSF{}INITE CIVILIZATION" and "WORLD PEACE" singing
"COME NOW & LET US REASON TOGETHER" which way way before Rabbi JESUS & CO., came on the scene, was already in the DEEPER PROPHECY of life & it's future rooting, from the Infuxus-Books, for the CORRECTION OF SIN for the HEALING of The NATIONS toward WORLD PEACE [Similar]. From a JUDEO/JU-Xrstn-Islami perspective, see CHUMASHbible,ISIAH:1:18, MATHEW,20:16). Specifically,
the Infixus books of the Muslims//Moslems also prophetically substantiates the biblical indications of an "INVERSE CRUCIBLE" to heal the Nations from WITHIN-THEMSELS and become protectors-of-each-other (i'll get to Mormons later) by such a sponsorship through APOCALYPTIC thinkers (Moderates, Seculars etc..) who conduct their affairs by 'Mutual Consultation' so that when an oppressive wrong is inflicted on them (just like the Mormons) they help & defend themselves. See QURAN.42:38-39 etseq.
Likewie say the GEETA (at. 3:21 et seq) of the HINDU's & the BUDDHIST's for that prophet purpose too (World Peace, Ahimsa, Democraticization etc..) saying, "In the Brave Action of The Best Thinkers, People find their LAW OF ACTION(s) SO,
All Three Infixus Books {CHUMASH/BIBLE, GEETA/KANGYUR, QURAN/KORAN) thus ALL-Predict and ALL-Agree and Does Not Contract each other in this Amazing Quest or Purpose (s). which neccessitates an INVERSE CRUCIBLE to 'Reverse The Curse' of the BEDEVILMENT of our faith/belief (note: REligion is Innate) and Politic/Groups toward WORLD-PEACE!
Even the BOOK OF MORMON (Born, bred & Made in America; Nay IMPORTED like the others) which other BIBLIOMANIACS & CO., have JEALOUSY & sometime with Devilish/Scholorary merit, etc.. accused of being a "Complete Forgery" (forget about their own forgey's, or someone else's Books) that ironically
also contains many similar or exact citations from the JUDEO-XRSTN Bibles yet also reflects a FREIDIAN SLIP OF GENUINE PROPHECY through JOSEPH SMITH {pbuh et al} who VENTRILOQUISED one of his Characters blurting-out,
"Now it is not common that the voice of the-people desireth anything contrary to that which is RIGHT, but it is common for the lesser part of the-people [in Charge of the SYSTEM; institutions etc] to desire that which is NOt Right, therefore, this Shall Ye Observe and mae "IT" your Law-To Do Your Business by THE-VOICE of THE-PEOPLE." Please see: MOSiAH.29:26 et seq. Book Of Mormon. So,
During the PRE-Apocalyptic times/epochs/era's of [Nebula-Built] Space Ship Earth's People [MEME's], NOne of the Nations of the U.N., could have developed Much Democracy (Cradle or not) at ALL w/out some kinda National-Legislature/Parliament/Congress, NO matter How "GOOD" their written theories or pretended-Laws of a so-called DEMocracy might have been. SO,
IT IS TIME AMERIK!
Posted by: IN_IT_WE_TRUST | February 9, 2011 4:50 PM
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A person's beliefs are relevant to their candidacy as they reveal how they may act.
Romney (and other Mormon candidates) have made secret oaths and covenants in their Mormon Temples. These take priority above the oath of office of the POTUS, and puts all Mormon members under the strict authority of the Mormon church leaders.
Mormons' history demonstrates the following:
1) Mormon leaders will "lie for the Lord" (as demonstrated by their false report to congress that the practice of polygamy had ceased, whereas the reality was top LDS officials continued polygamous marriages for 10 years after)
2) Mormon leaders will violate their own sacred scriptures (D&C 134) to "mix religious influence with civil government" in a way that denies other citizens of their equal rights under the law (Proposition 8). It is well-documented that the LDS Church was the deciding factor in Prop 8.
3) Mormon leaders have such cultish power over the members of their Church that they can (and did for Prop8) "command" their followers (including a Mormon POTUS) to deprive others of civil rights
4) It is written clearly in their Temple oaths and covenants that members are expected to give all their possessions and use all their positions and opportunities ("everything with which the Lord has blessed you or may bless you") for the building up of the LDS Church.
This includes oaths to give one's life for the building up of the LDS Church. That is an explicit oath regarding a willingness to "give one's life" (suicide) for the Church.
The LDS Temple ceremonies at the time Mitt Romney was "endowed" included graphic depictions of cutting one's throat, disemboweling oneself, and other acts of suicide as a penalty for revealing the secret oaths and failing to be faithful to them.
These are not lies. These are facts. These are not taken out of context. They are true, accurate, and reliable.
They not only give valid reason to wonder about Romney's or Huntsman's loyalties, but also about their rationality. Do we want someone with their finger on "the button" who believes it is their religious duty to "hasten the coming of the day of the Lord?" Who believes their Church is "the one and only true and living Church on the face of the earth", and that Church is chosen by God to "put an end to all nations" and usher in a thousand years wherein THEIR "Jesus" will reign over a one-world government (or Mormons), and "every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that [the Mormon] Jesus" is in charge? [a Mormon theocracy]
A Mormon in office is a dangerous thing. We do NOT need a religious fanatic from a CULT in the Whitehouse.