Islamism vs. Americanism

EXPERIMENTS IN POLITICAL SCIENCE ARE DIFFICULT, BUT PAKISTAN & INDIA ARE A RARE EXAMPLE. People of the same DNA and genes that share common languages, rituals, and cultures (e.g. Punjabi, Sindhi, etc..) are separated by religion. In just 60 years, there have been clear results. India (based on Hinduism and Vedanta) is a tolerant, pluralistic, vibrant, nonaggressive democracy. Progress is seen in politics, economics, education, etc… India has had Presidents who are Muslim, Hindu, Dalit, female; Prime ministers who are Sikh, Hindu, female; Defense ministers who are Christian, Hindu, Sikh; powerful politicians are even Italian Catholics like Sonia Gandhi. More progress needs to made in many places in Indian society, but even in America Blacks had very limited rights till the 1960’s and now Obama is president. Tolerant peaceful societies make progress.

In contrast, Pakistan has become an increasingly intolerant and violent society. Pakistan used to have 40% Hindus, and now it is only 1%. The culture of Hindus of tolerance and peacefulness has made even Muslims in India relatively peaceful when compared with dominantly Islamic nations.

Pakistanis have no common identity – except hatred of India. The members of this society do not feel a common bond, which is necessary to make progress. All that is left is a false sense of unity and statehood, which has promoted Islamic fundamentalism and terrorism. And this is a recipe for disaster

Muslims want to be ONLY impure. Just check this out latest news, they are assuming to be Indians and Hindus to survive in NY

The shamelessness has reached it's nadir! Actually this is well-known in the Indian community but good that every one else is recognising their shamelessness!

Pakistanis pose as Indians after NY bomb scare
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE64655Y20100507

mono1 terrora

What the heck? Are you suggesting that Hindus need to be 100% pure before you believe what they say?

Or do you so want to ignore the hatred in the Koran that you look for evil in the other until the blackness of your own beliefs are hidden.

Find me anything in the Hindu scripture that says God hates. Your dogmatic nonsense is full of a hateful god that wants to destroy the infidel. The Hindu scriptures tell everyone over and over we are one. So AS says he has the same gene pool as you. And you counter, he has the same gene pool as the the Hindus. OH my god, you are so brilliant. Now will you say that you have the same ideology as the genocidal turks killing a million plus armenian christians, 3 million Hindus and others in Bengladesh, the constant terrorism of Hindus, christians, and other muslims in Pakistan.

Or are you just cowards unable to care for the totality of humanity as you rationalize the hatred in your hearts, in your dogma, in your politics, and in your so called sacred texts.

hariaum

hello dr/shukla,

is the science of urology limited to the urine ?

is this the kind of scientific objectivity that you studied in your secularism?that is all you know about islamism and americanism?

you forgot the brown noseism factor in your matrix of analysis.

islamism,americanism and secularism are big huge and complicated subjects ,so either give it to the professionals or educate your self ,do you trust a carpenter to perform a kideny surgery?

plz take your secularism to the nerst diaylsis center.

"The United States and India have for too long allowed the government of Pakistan to play its duplicitous game of superficial cooperation every time there is an attack in New York or New Delhi only to fall back to its familiar path of regional instability and proxy wars in India and Afghanistan. Even today, Pakistan will likely "arrest" many of Shahzad's co-conspirators only to release them once our attention wanes. Lashkar-e-Toiba, Hizb-ul-Mujhahideen, Pakistan Taliban, you name it, the names may vary, but the personnel, the jihadi zeal, their murderous rage---they are all the same."

You care about Afghan now even as you close your eyes to India's state terrorism against Kashmiris?
The murderous rage of Indian diaspora and middle class as they call their jawans to pull a Gaza on Pakistan should remind of the fanaticism of the "educated". The murderous zeal of these people have a lot in common with the "jihadi" zeal of the "other".

Secondly, there was blatant amnesia of Hindus running amok against MF Hussain, Jodha Akbhar and Fire. They sent MF Hussain into exile and burnt cinemas and threatened actors and directors. So much for the binary between Hindu's restrain vs Muslim's barbarism.

People like Shukla ignored the fanatics among the powerful like him who would not clinch a bit to assert their murderous rage against Pakistan.

what a tendentious and vitriolic piece coming from a HAF member.

"As an American of South Asian extraction, I know I share more of my gene pool with the Shahzads--heck, even the Taliban itself--than, perhaps, my Scandinavian descendants next door in Minneapolis. And so I reexamine what makes those brethren so cravenly motivated to kill."

You also share the same genes with Hindus who hunted down Muslims using the latest technology and killed them en masse in Gujarat. You also share the same genes with policemen in Mumbai who spewed venom against Muslims and watched Muslims being killed in 1992's riot. Tell that to your Scandinavian neighbor.

"But dig deeper and more questions arise. Pakistan got itself into this mess, and its diaspora must come to grips with that country's sickness. The country that was founded on the basis of Islam when its neighbor India was born secular has never reconciled itself to ground realities. For the autocracy that never fostered real democracy but a false pretense of war against India and the West has suppressed the talent and innate human wealth of the country. When the exports of a nation are David Headleys (the Chicago-based Mumbai attack mastermind of Pakistani origin) and Faisal Shahzads rather than software and engineers, and is known as a hornet's nest of extremism and terror training camps rather than Nobel Prize winners and world-class universities, there is a real problem."

India, by all means, is a Hindu nation masquerading as a secular state where the true heirs of this nation-state are Hindus. Muslims have in the last 62 years reduced to be the modern day Dalits and even given the options of Pakistan or graveyard. Even after 63 years of its inception, Muslims from Shahrukh Khan to Hashmi have to prove their loyalty to the land that came into being as India. The constant call for Muslims to prove their loyalty should remind Shukla of the "secular" fabric of India.

The "secular" India is worse in its act to "suppress the talent and innate human wealth of the country." India's desire to be the regional bully, as championed by Indian diaspora, is reduced by Shukla as nothing more than "false war concocted by Pakistanis".

The superficial binary between successful Indians and fundamentalist Pakistanis speaks volume of how Indians view Pakistanis. Are you assuming Pakistanis have no desire to be educated or to win Nobel prize(s)?

what happened to my repartee? Do you need to censor it?

The shamelessness has reached it's nadir! Actually this is well-known in the Indian community but good that every one else is recognising their shamelessness!

Pakistanis pose as Indians after NY bomb scare
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE64655Y20100507

"foreign soldiers marching in their hallowed ground"

Well, their land? Did you forget about how Gandhara became Kandhahar?

http://rajivmalhotra.sulekha.com/blog/post/2001/12/how-gandhara-became-kandahar.htm

"Pakistan got itself into this mess, and its diaspora must come to grips with that country's sickness"

Yep, A muslim, Fareed Zakaria, finally said it this week - Pakistan is the EPICENTER OF ISLAMIC TERRORISM

http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/05/05/zakaria.pakistan.terror/index.html

"When the exports of a nation are David Headleys and Faisal Shahzads rather than software and engineers"

Hence the popular saying -- India is known for IT as in Information Technology, but Pakis are not behind, they are known for IT too, alas International Terrorism; India has famous IITs but pakistan has it's infamous Institutes of Islamic Terrorism. He He!

Great post Shukla'ji, Namaste!