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Yasseryousufui,

Dr. Shukla is a patriotic American, who happens to be Hindu. Your ad hominem attacks are incorrect and unnecessary. His article makes perfectly reasonable and valid points about the futility of "fighting in Afghanistan" and watching our troops get killed while the real source of support for the Taliban and many islamic terrorist organizations is Pakistan (Please don't deny the support for Haqqani, Queta Shura, Lashkar-e-Taiba, etc. - that truly is a waste of time).

In my travels to South Asia, I have been amazed by the difference between Hindu Indians and Muslim Indians (Pakistanis). They are the same people, especially in the Punjab and Sindh regions. Yet, the Muslims have created an increasingly violent & intolerant "Islamic Republic of Pakistan" while the Hindus have created a tolerant & pluralistic democratic Republic of India.

The only difference, it seems, is the spiritual & philosophical differences between Hinduism and Islam. Intolerance & bigotry seem inherent to Islam. The venomous hatred of Hindus is palpable in the rhetoric of Muslims in the region.

Perhaps you have more insight into the psychology of Muslims and why they hate nonmuslims and especially Hindus so much. Is it because the Pakistani Muslims know they converted under duress or out of expediency? Is it that mostly the disenfranchised and "lower socioeconomic Hindus" were converted to Islam? Is it the frustration that the Arab muslims look down on the Pakistani & Indian muslims?

Even these answers won't explain why Pakistani Sunis kill Ahmedis, Sufis, & Shiite muslims. It can't just be the Jews', Hindus', & Americans' fault that Pakistan is dysfunctional. Americans have been much more supportive of Pakistan than India for decades.

So, don't worry about Dr. Shukla's nationality too much (He's an American). There are plenty of serious problems with Pakistan, Islam, & violence that you need to analyze and try to correct. Good Luck.

Chatterjee,

There is no point responding to your worthless chatter. I pointed out FACTS in my response to Aseem Shukla to lay bare his biased argument. Come back to me if you can find faults with my response. I dont have the time or patince to exchange rhetorical arguments with puffed up Indian nationalists like you on this blog.

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Until Pakistan is understood to be a hotbed of militant Islam, and that ideology is dealt with, any policy of Afghanistan cannot succeed.

Yasseryousufi:

Your knee-jerk reaction is expected. It does appear that Jews and Hindus cannot say anything against Islam or Islamic countries/policies, because of the inherent conflict of interest. It is thus widely accepted, "Oh, becuase he is a Jew or Hindu he will say this ..."

I think that the world has learnt your lies and rubbish.

What is happening in Pakistan is Pakistan's doing. Pakistan's Zia-ul-Haq siphoned money from Reagan administration that was originally appropriated to fight the Soviets, to train mujahadeens to unleash the reign of terror in Kashmir. It was Zia's Islamization plan that has led to this situation in Pakistan.

Pakistan has trained and ideologically motivated the young to become jihadists. The situation in Lal Masjid is a stark reminder of what has culminated out of this barbaric Islamization.

Pakistan's hate for India is beyond Kashmir. Jammat-ud-Dawa's (new name for Lashkar-e-Tayyiba) head honcho, Hafez Saeed, has stated that the Jihadists must liberate entire India from the hands of the Hindu secular rule as was the case before the British came.

However, India is no Israel. India is land of cowards who cannot take action even after the ghastly incident of 26/11. Has it been USA or any other self-respecting country, Pakistan would have been made into a radioactive wasteland.

Thus on the AfPak war, Dr. Shukla is right even if he is a Hindu. Stopping the chase at the AfPak border is the major problem. Obama is letting Muslim terrorists escape. He should have ordered the US army to cross into the Pakistan border and get them.

Pakistan's main export to the world is radical Islamic ideology and terrorism. This country needs to be taught a humiliating lesson by all others.

Also, stop your racial profiling of bloggers and be objective if you want to be taken seriously.

A Hindu Indian doing a hitjob article on Pakistan. Who is surprised about that? What credibility would a Greek journalist have railing against the Turks or an Israeli one doing the same against Palestinians. Sorry Mr. Shukla, you're too predictable.

Had you done a bit of reserach before writing this article, you'd have know that Pakistan has lost twice the number of soldiers of all the NATO deaths combined in Afghanistan. These terrorists have attacked and killed the children of Army and ISI officers. They have attacked those mosques that are frequented by Army men and their families. They have attacked the headquaters of Pakistan Army and killed senior officers. Go and ask any American General where would the NATO be standing in Afghanistan without Pakistan's help. If Pakistan stops allowing these supplies to reach Afghanistan from its territories, this expensive war will start costing americans ten times more. No other country has caught and handed over to the americans more al-qaida opperatives than Pakistan. The successfull operation against the terrorists in Swat by the Pakistani troops has become THE model to follow in fighting insurgencies and is being followed by the NATO Generals. I hope you realise the utter stupidity of your argument, that the Pakistan Army and Government props up and Shields these terrorists so that they can kill their own children and their soldiers and their polititicians. You are just pandering to the hate muslim crowd in America who just dont want to see the reality of this war and who do not want to recognize the real culprit in this war. That you chose to abuse your profession by bringing out your innate hatred and bias against Pakistani is pretty shamefull to say the least. I hope you can really come up with some facts next time you post your anti-Pakistan drivel.

The question has been rightly framed and squarely answered by the author. The commenters too have spoken with welcome forthrightness.
Let me call the discussion back to where the GWOT started in the wake of 9/11. What happened on 9/11 was rightly seen by Mr Bush and others as a challenge to the rest of the world that the world must prepare for the revival of the Caliphate and of Islamic dominion worldwide, as Muslims were wont to see it in centuries past. The ground actuality did not matter in that world view and is not relevant for the consideration of matters under debate here. But Islamists threw a gauntlet to the West and their Allies. The gauntlet was picked up and responded to with the invasion of Afghanistan in November 2001. After the Iraq diversion, the war in Afghanistan was resumed.
Somewhere along the line we forgot why we got into it in the first place. It is what it was called in Mr Bush's day: Global War On Terror, whence GWOT. Global terror is nowhere near ending. And it has been rightly said above that Pakistan is the epicentre of global terror and that Pakistan's entire objective has been to destabilize Afghanistan and India. Pakistan also attempted to frighten the rest of the world into believing that a nuclear armageddon in South Asia was imminent.
Let us hope policymakers in the West understand the ground actualities better than either Islamists a la Osama bin Laden and Mullah Omar or the benighted State of Pakistan, which does not want stability in Afghanistan.
My fear is that for successive US administrations during the past half a century and more Israel and Pakistan have been two blind spots about which leaders and diplomats in the US cannot think too clearly. My further fear is that these two may operate as albatrosses round US's neck, with consequences which it is hardly possible to visualize at present.
V. C. Bhutani, Delhi, India, July 2 2010, 0833 IST, vineycb1@vsnl.com

Afghanistan, has never been a state for at least for past 3 to 4 centuries. Pakistan is a failed state. The best US and the rest of the world can do is to somehow by hook or by crook wrest the nuclear weapons or render them useless and leave those two countries to their own devices. After they have completely drained of their Jihadist juices, they can rejoin the family of nations.

Good observations.

As a published author, let me add to the discussion by noting that the primary reason, in my view, the U.S. is reluctant to leave Afghanistan is that it lacks a "Grand Strategy" to execute the war on terror. This holds true for the American inability to "manage" Pakistan.

That said, we could indeed formulate a comprehensive strategy, provided we are willing to set aside our pre-conceived notions on religions.

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