Islamic terror is real, as is Jewish and Christian terror

Too many rabbis, like Rav Hirshfeld and Moline, play a game of moral relativism.

They compare today's genocidal Islamic movements as no different then those of Christians (read 1000 years ago) and a tiny fraction of Jews (Baruch Goldstien is exception that proves the rule).

Meanwhile, not only do more than 70% of muslim Palestinian arabs supports suicide bombing (pew research) but they name their public squares, streets, and soccer teams after the most successful of them.

Rabbi's who define themselves first by their political ideology of liberalism more than their religious obligations to protect their community and be seekers of truth are no different then the rabbis in the 1940's who suppressed information of the murder of European Jewry in order not to embarrass FDR

Mr. Hirshfield,

You raise some very important points and questions, and for that I must thank you. Where religion is a motivation to action it must be taken into account. And so Islamic terrorism exists today much as Cristians practiced the same during the crusades, brutally murdering Muslums and Jews alike in the name of Jesus. Terrorism is a disgrace to the religion itself.

The Immams know that, of course, as much as we do. Which is why, when we look at the motivations for the acts, we must also take into account other factors. Why would Muslums risk the disgrace of Allah to kill Christians? Maybe some of the factors point at US, the United States. How long have we oppressed Muslums in this country? How long have we made war on them, openly and secretly? How long have we demonized them? If someone calls a child "bad" for long enough eventually that child will prove them right. We have called Muslums "murdering terrorists" for a long time. Now they are proving us right to some extent.

YOU HAVE SAID QUITE A BIT THAT IS CORRECT BUT YOU STOP FAR SHORT OF REAL WORKABLE ANSWERS TO THE REAL QUESTIONS... THESE REALITY'S WHICH MAY HAVE LESS TO DO WITH RELIGION AND MORE TO DO WITH ECONOMICS AND SOCIAL STRIFE.. I'M PRETTY SURE ALL RELIGIONS HAVE THEIR VERSION OF YOU REAP WHAT YOU SEW OR KARMA OR WHATEVER THEY CALL IT.. IF I WERE COMFORTABLE IN THE REAL WORLD RIGHT NOW I WOULD NOT BE PUTTING BURDENS ON THE MIDDLE CLASS AND POOR i would be helping them succeed and make a decent living UNLESS THEY WANT THE BURDENS TO COME TO HARVEST MAYBE TEnFOLD MAYBE A HUNDRED .. WHo KNOWS FOR SURE EACH TIME TIS THE SAME DANCE THE SAME LIES AND NOW IN THE INFORMATION AGE.... THE "HARVEST" THE RICH THEMSELVES HAVE TRIED TO MAKE... WHAT WILL THEY DO WHAT WILL THEY do when they are told to eat ...fake... the french lost their very real not metaphorical heads when they insisted the poor eat cake not realizing not only did they not have bread they had no ... cake..hopefully we have come further and peace will take the glassy eyed cruel bitter hollow old men and thier wars and lies out to pasture... war is i think truely money for nothing... put them in a pasture where they can make all .. the hay .. they want and they can even pray or bray just let them stay away from the rest of the decent people of the world.. its after all about the money and the 2 masters Jesus talked about maybe i think maybe the Muslims, the Christians, and yes the Jewish people or any group that trys to dominate by cohesion understand the money angle of life.. and so do the rest of the world maybe that why they are angry

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There are a lot of mistranslations of Quraan out there for the gullible, a tiny minority of us humans, less than 1/100th of 1% are too eager to believe anything against others, and the same percent finds a pleasure to create chaos and misrepresent others.

Mr./Ms. “TTWSYFAMDGGAHJMJ1” has fallen in to the same pit.

In the 1042 the monastery of Abbey paid their scholars to mis-translate Quraan and paint it is as a cult, to get their subjects build animosity towards the other and support them retain their kingdoms. That was the birth of Islamophobia. The Scholars of Islam today base their knowledge on that false foundation.

In the year 1924 a Muslim by the name of Hilali Khan mistranslated the same Quraan to have the gullible Muslims hate Jews and Christians and it was distributed freely, efforts are being made to stop those false and hateful translations. There is full documentation on that, but thank God there are over 22 translations of Quraan for the serious religious person, who seeks the truth to know the difference. 2 of the 22 are wrong and hateful translations.

I do hope “TTWSYFAMDGGAHJMJ1” is open to seeking the truth. Quraan 9.5 is one of the 60 verses that have been mistranslated. It is documented at the site: quraan-today.blogspot.com
May God help us all seek the truth, and not be judgmental about others, as every religion on the earth is about co-existence and not hate and destruction?

Mike Ghouse
WorldMuslimCongress.com

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ISLAMIC TERROR IS REAL, AS IS JEWISH AND CHRISTIAN TERROR

The Muslim religion justifies a Holy War of Terror.
"Jihad is one of the chief meritorious acts in the eye of Islam, and it is the best source of earnings, but it shall be undertaken with the intention of self-defense."—Mishkat" II, page 340 On the other hand one could also call it robbery in self-defense, if there is such a thing.

Muslims have Terror written into their religion. There is no such thing in Catholicism. Catholicism does not condone any kind of violence the demeans the human person. If those who violate Her teachings, they are fraudulent if they claim to be Catholic.

The Holy Quran strictly prohibited conversion by force, saying: '”There is no compulsion in religion'—(Sura 2:256)"

Muslims emphatically insist that the Jihad, or Holy War, was only a means of defense and was never used as an offensive act: " This is a direct contradiction of the Jihad text and Muslim .

Thus it is written, “When an infidel country is conquered, the conquered have three choices, become Muslim, pay exorbitant taxes to the conqueror, or get your head cut off—( Dictionary of Islam", page 243)

Muslims claim Jihad is not an act of violence directed indiscriminately against the non-Muslims, but a defense.” However, it is contradicted in the following verses. "Kill those who join other gods with Allah wherever you find them; besiege them, seize them, lay in wait for them with every kind of ambush...."(Sura 9:5). Take the women for your own property and pleasure married or not, but not pregnant. "(ibid. page 440 and "Sahih Muslim" II, pages 705-707)

"When you encounter the unbelievers, strike off their heads, until ye have made a great slaughter among them...."(Sura 47:4).

"Make war upon such of those to whom the Scriptures have been given as believe not in Allah, or in the Last Day, and who forbid not what Allah and His Apostle have forbidden....until they pay tribute..." (Sura 9:29). Proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject faith." (Sura 9:3).

"Say to the infidels: If they desist, what is now past shall be forgiven them; but if they return, they have already before them the doom of the ancients! Fight then against them till strife be at an end, and the religion be all of it Allah's." (Sura 8:39).

"Proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject faith." (Sura 9:3). Hence, violence is not only a Muslim's occupation means of income, but extortion, copulation and the selling of captured women and children.

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ISLAMIC TERROR IS REAL, AS IS JEWISH AND CHRISTIAN TERROR

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Catholicism is not a religion of Terror, but Muslim religion is a religion of Terror. Terrorism is anything that threatens the inviolable rights of man. Christianity is the guardian of these rights. Anyone who impugns these rights are in discord with Christianity, and if they claim to be Christians they are frauds. The Muslim teachings are replete with a multitude of violations against humanity.

Man by his very nature possesses certain inalienable rights to life, liberty, and to the pursuit of eternal happiness. and that these rights are morally demanded by strict justice. They are the same rights that our Constitution demands recognition of, viz. that "all men are created equal" and "endowed by God" with certain "inalienable rights.”

"Whatever is opposed to life itself, such as any type of murder, genocide, abortion, euthanasia, or willful self-destruction, whatever violates the integrity of the human person, such as mutilation, torments inflicted on body or mind, and attempts to coerce the will itself is a form of Terrorism.

“Whatever insults human dignity, such as subhuman living conditions, arbitrary imprisonment, deportation, slavery, prostitution, the selling of women and children; as well as disgraceful working conditions, where people are treated as mere instruments of gain rather than as free and responsible persons; all these things and others like them are infamies indeed. They poison human society, and they do more harm to those who practice them than to those who suffer from the injury. Moreover, they are a supreme dishonor to the Creator"—John Paul II, The Gospel of Life.

There voice of the Catholic Church is adamantly against all violence that unjustly violates the inviolable rights of man or his judicious use of his free will.

That's not so in the Muslim religious text. Violence is a means of coercion, intimidation, murder and denigration of human integrity.

Thank you mr. Hirschfield for your post.

I agree completely and find it refreshing to see such objectivity from a religious person. I like the analogy with fire and I think this analogy might also apply to politics. (I think Noam Chomsky would agree)

Sadly, your post is (willfully?) misunderstood by many of the less objective commenters.

You reap what you sow

"For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting." Galatians 6:8

God is perfect, man is evil

as long as we are not God, we do not have His glory

as long as sin exists in the world, there also terrorism will exist

Vladimar,

Each one of has a responsibility to find the truth.

Score keeping never ends, when was the last time a rabbi opened a fire at worshipping people in a mosque and killed 22 of them... when was a terrorist wrapped mega ton bombs on an f-16 and dropped on the whole city? When was the last time the state dropped bombs upon bombs and killed 1300 innocent Children in schools? When was the last time a terrorist f-16 wrapped bombs in its arms and dropped on a wedding party in Afghanistan... We are always blind to our own terrorism and see others as terrorists. George Washington was, MLK was...the list is endless. It is not scoring we need to do, we need to find ways to find peace.

Blaming religion is useless, utterly useless, no decisions are made and the buck is passed to NO one.

It is a shame on our society that we pick on Muslims and the wrongs Muslims do is bannered out on TV and newspapers. It appeals to a few folks who throw the money at the media. I have learned to Google every time the media hypes up a bad dude killing others... Google it out, you will find identical incidents. Are we fair in our judgments?

Generally everyone I have discussed this article with, expresses bewilderment. As stated by others, when is the last time a Jew or Christian cut off the head of a reporter, or pushed an man in a wheel chair off a ship, or a Rabbi, Minister, Priest strapped dynamite around their children, or the pope demanding the inhalation of a whole race?
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Generally everyone I have discussed this article with, expresses bewilderment. As stated by others, when is the last time a Jew or Christian cut off the head of a reporter, or pushed an man in a wheel chair off a ship, or a Rabbi, Minister, Priest strapped dynamite around their children, or the pope demanding the inhalation of a whole race?

What the Heck:

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Hark: The "'RELiGION' of everything before the 'SCiENCE' of everything" is now [Apocalyptically] COME!

Note: A.E. {pbuh} was a Eberu Yj O K T A N race; Not a Eberu PELEGian race! Hope Ye Yahudi Ummah learned something Today. Apocalyptically speak'thng A-M-E-R-i-C-A is "G-D"s (if any) Country; Not Middle-East, Europe, Asia, etc.. And N.Y. Is truly the "Empire State"! And Not UTAH!

oopps. i posted on Wrong spool.

Brother H I R S C H F I E L D & CO.:

Good NEWS; APOCALYPTICALLY speaking; Brother "Charles R. Darwin" [pbuh] Is a Natural-Winner! And PRE-APOCALYPTICALLY, both YOURs & HIS {pbuh}

Mr. G-D, Mr. Hashem, Mr. Amen-ra, Mr. Omen-re, Mr CHOMESH, Mr. Allah, Mr. Ishvara SYSTEMs & By Manymany god-head Names [either a HE or SHE or both or 1/2 Beast, 1/2 Man or woman or neither of all the above} all r LOST! Fact & or Reality:

SCiENCE [GOG/truth] is incompatible with RELIGION [MAYGOG/illusion] & vis aviz. A DOCTOR of or a Degree in G-D//ALLAH//iSHVARA & by many names as if be a Discipline of Religion-Science is NOt a real PH.D in Physics/science or Anthropology/science etc..

Secret: Our Prophet {pbuh} Hir Albert Einstein {pbuh et al} thought highly of Mr. Baruch SPiNOZA {pbuh et al} G-D System. But Mr. Einstein [pbuh] & or Mr. Spinoza {pbuh] did NOt have a Science Degree in G-D//Allah//Ishavara//lalala. Soo, having a PHYSICS Degree or an Optical Designer Degree does not make them THEOLOGIANS;. Like Wise a Theologian Degree (doctorates) does NOt make one a real SCIENTIST. Only Wishful-Thinking. So There is a Difference between a PRE-APOCALYPTIC (wannabe)Scientist {like YO/YE} and an APOCALYPTIC (Real)Scientist!

REVEALation: YE & Other Licensed Jealous Folks {aka Pre-Apocalyptic Theologians; especially of the P-E-L-E-G types) are Victims of "EiNSTEIN'S BIG LIE".

COMMENTARY: Ye see; Because it was still Pogrom-Era of 1930's; Our father/Prophet {pbuh] only said It (The BIG-LIE; if repeated enough times will be believed) "RELIGION w/out SCIENCE is Lame & SCIENCE w/out Religion is Blind" because The Xrstian's & Islami's was about to annihilate the stateless "JEW". So

GO back to The YESHIVA & tell All Teacher Theologians That Hir Albert Einstein {pbuh} only said that (Big Lie) to stall for Time or to Appease the Jews potential Murderers (Islamis, xrstians & similar JEALOUS ummah). So

The Right Song or New Song (com'th from Old) is that (none Deity)SCIENCE (i.e. Physicist)is NOt Compatible nor Complimentary to (Deity based) SCIENCE (Theologian). Soo

An APOCALYPTARIAN Scientist Like Hir Albert Einstein {pbuh} is Never the Same as a PRE-Apocalyptarian Scientist. Even when Both have Same degree, same school. Charles Darwin {pbuh} PH.D is NOt same as the POPE's PH.D. Even if they attended the same school. SECULAR FAITH, is NOt DEITY Faith! An Atheist is NOt same as a THEisT!

IT was all B.S.! Today is 2010; And Ye Theologian's fell for slick Alberts {pbuh} "LAME Religion & BLIND side Science" analogy! Oye Vayze-Meer! Ha Haaa aHaaa haaa aaah! PS: Our Father {pbuh} is Chuckling himself.

Brad Hirschfield,

I appreciate your bluntness and I want to be blunter on the topic.

Whether it is wars, genocides, massacres or mass murders, there is always a man behind it who initiated and responsible for it. By bringing him to justice, justice can be served and faith in the people can be restored leading to peace.

Blaming religion is like barking in the dark, religion is intangible, you cannot jail it, you cannot hang it and you cannot electrocute it. It is gutlessness on our part (particularly the right wingers) to blame the religion and pass the buck...on to no one.

For thousands of years, it has become a bloody fashion to blame the religion and that is why we were not able to bring justice or restore faith in the system. Let's blame where it belongs and bring justice and restore the balance in the society.

Nuclear power in the hands of good people has been beneficent with light and energy, same thing in the hands of rogues have been destructive, we destroyed Iraq and Afghanistan, shame on us and messed up own economy with deficits.

Had we gone after the criminals, justice would have been restored at a minimal cost and the fabric of society would not have been torn.

It is a new paradigm, and all of us need to ponder on it. I do disagree with you that religions inspire crimes, it is the ugliness in individuals that inspires, not the religion. We should not let any one to blame the religion and allow them to escape the punishment.

MikeGhouse
Foundation for Pluralism

To Montedoro: Did you call the Serbs Christian terrorists? If not, why not? Their crimes were as egregious as those of any Muslims, and certainly equally religiously motivated? Could it be you have another agenda for which you want to denigrate Islam? By the way, I'm Christian.

The author is absolutely correct - we have the problem with the LRA in Uganda, the Hutaree in the United States, the praise of terrorism by the Westboro Baptist Church, and in Israel individuals like Yaakov Teitel. Just like we address Muslims like Nidal Hasan, and the Anwar Al-Awlaki in the world.

We should address all those that inspire hate and violence, consistently. I completely agree.

This is politically correct BS. In the past decade there have been over ten thousand acts of Islamic terrorism, and there are many more every week. Where is there anything even remotely comparable by Jews and Christians?

Here are eleven reasons to call terrorism Islamic:

--The unbelievers are your inveterate enemy. (4:101)
-- Mohammed is God's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another. (48:29).
-- Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and God's religion shall reign supreme. (8:40)
-- Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme. (2:193)
-- We will put terror into the hearts of the unbelievers. (3:151)
-- I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads, strike off the very tips of their fingers. (8:12)
-- Muhammad said: "I have been made victorious through terror."
-- Muhammad said: "Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war, …"
-- Mohammed said, "I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, "None has the right to be worshiped but Allah, and whoever says, " None has the right to be worshiped but Allah , his life and property will be saved by me."
-- Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "

When Imams issue Fatwas against terrorists instead of against novelists and cartoonists, I will become more comfortable with Moslems living in our midst.

This discussion is a symptom of the huge ostrich that is American political discourse.

Talking about terrorism merely denies the violence of states. Is al Qaeda more of a threat to people than the United States' continual waging of war on civilian populations and overthrowing governments for the greater good of corporations?

Terrorism is a tactic. It can be a very effective tactic, but it is certainly no more onerous than carpet bombing, "shock and awe," subjecting people to government-approved assassination without any due process, and a myriad of other attacks on our persons and our humanity.

Another function of terrorism discussions is to deny that terrorism is committed by states. When Saddam Hussein gassed the Kurds, when the US kills people from thousands of miles away with drones, is this NOT terrorism?

This discussion is a propaganda tool for the United States, especially, but for the powerful, in general.

Unless you are invested in lying for the powerful, stop talking about terrorism and start talking about violence in general.

like so many other issues we're dealing with in this country, in this article, is another classic example of unhealthy tolerance. 'for the purposes of this conversation, it makes no difference that they exist to differing degrees'? Brad, Brad, Brad - then you are talking to yourself.

This conversation may not be concerned with the fact that different religions have different numbers of "terrorists" operating at different levels, but the rest of the world should. It's been a long time since I heard anyone scream "Jesus loves me!" right before blowing themselves up in a crowded restaurant. I don't know when was the last time I heard of a baptist minister strapping a few bricks of explosives to their kid and sending the tyke into a crowd of Catholics. Sorry but I just can't bring myself to bother trying to understand a mentality such as that or a religion that tolerates it. Organizations such as CAIR can claim all they want that terrorists are just twisting the Quran and Islam but until I see the majority of Islamic governments and Muslim peoples stand up and deal with it, I won't be spending any time trying to empathize.

"Christian terrorism" is not even supported by the teaching of Jesus, the apostles or the evangelists or the teachers of the Gospel of Jesus.

In fact, the word "Christian" was coined by Greek-Speaking pagans in Antioch, Syria to make fun of those who preached about the "Anointed (One)" which is "Christos" in Greek and written as "Messiah" in English translations of the Hebrew Scriptures.

I don't know why the English Bible translators didn't translate "Christos" as "Anointed" and didn't choose a proper word that means the same thing as the hatefully created epithet "Christian."

Jesus followers, aka converts to "The Way," called themselves "Believers." They NEVER self-identified as "Christians."

The Greek words "Ho Hodos" should have been written as "The Way" in English Bibles, too. Paul, who persecuted the Believers, even called their system of belief "The Way" when he gave the testimony of his conversion as recorded in the book of Acts in the New Testament.

Jesus didn't even approve of governments set up in his Name.

He wouldn't even support terrorism done in his name.