Brian D. McLaren
Best-selling author and intellectual leader of “emerging church”

Brian D. McLaren

McLaren is pastor and intellectual leader of “emerging church,” a Christian evangelical movement that seeks new ways to worship and understand the gospel in postmodern era.

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Love Among the Ruins

I think my favorite songwriter of all times is Bruce Cockburn. In one of his songs ("Down Where the Death Squad Lives"), he has this haunting line: "Around every evil, there gathers love. Bombs aren't the only things that fall from above down where the death squad lives."

This image of love gathering around evil is especially poignant to me because one of our sons is a leukemia survivor. Learning about his illness meant learning about white blood cells, which quite literally gather around infection so it can be removed from the body.

So, in times of war, my faith teaches me to look for signs of love gathering around the evil and violence. Sometimes this love is shown by soldiers who risk their lives for one another, or who give up their lives to defend ideals they believe in. Sometimes it is shown by demonstrators who protest war and uphold a vision of peace. Sometimes it is shown by reporters who defy the fog of war and the misinformation of governments to seek to tell the truth about war.

Sometimes it is shown by the neighbors of families who lose a loved one as they gather with hugs, with meals, with the gift of presence so that grief and loss can be shared. Sometimes it is even shown by politicians who have the courage to end wars that never should have been started, or should have been ended long ago. And most often it is shown by mothers and fathers, spouses and children, brothers and sisters and friends, for whom each soldier on each side of a conflict is not just a statistic, but a precious human being who is missed, longed for, prayed for.

My kiwi friend Peter Majendie was recently visiting the U.S. from New Zealand. He shared this poignant story about the war-related love that was elicited within him in a chance encounter in an art gallery:

"Visiting the Nelson-Atkins Art Museum in Kansas City, I wandered into the American art section. In the corner was an Edward Hopper painting, "Light Battery at Gettysburg." A simple landscape with a house and picket fence, with a number of Union soldiers on horseback pulling a cannon. Although only viewed from behind, the soldiers have an air of heaviness, accentuated by lowered heads, as they make their way toward the horizon.

On the sign beside the painting, I read that Hopper said the horizon depicted almost inevitable death as the soldiers approached Gettysburg. I thought of how significant this bleak depiction of war was, painted in 1940.

The painting's effect on me was one of deep sadness. On sharing this reaction with a stranger standing beside me, he said that he thought as many as 60,000 men had died at Gettysburg. After a pause, he added, 'We're doing it all again.' Then he started to cry, and added, 'My son is in Iraq. I come here most days.'"

Peter didn't know how to respond. He said, "I felt tears in my own eyes and wandered on. I wish I had hugged him. I let him down." But I can't help but think that somehow, Peter's compassion was felt by this father in anguish over his son in Iraq.

In times of war, with all its lies and pain and hatred and loss, I see evil in so many forms. But gathering around that evil, I also see love, bringing truth, healing, comfort, and hope. Which is greater, the evil or the love? Without faith, I wouldn't know the answer.

By Brian D. McLaren  |  May 30, 2007; 10:00 AM ET Save & Share:  Send E-mail   Facebook   Twitter   Digg   Yahoo Buzz   Del.icio.us   StumbleUpon   Technorati  
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All things are Elohim,

And God divided the Light from the darkness long ago, My god is Good.

But there is a Satan, the wrath of God, and you speak ignorantly concerning the god of this world.

You may try to perfect yourself, but you are incorrect if you think you can become perfect while in the flesh.

I'm wasting my time with you. Your far too intellectual for me LOL.

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Sticking your head in the sand don't make evil go away.

Take a look at the Palestinians.

I rest my case.

You can go back to sticking your head in the sand and believing 'evil' dont exist.

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Peacetroll wrote:

"The evil is greater in this world, The love is greater in the kingdom to come."

This is precisely the believe that must be changed for as long as we believe that evil exists in this world we will court it and accept it. We have invented Good/God and given it an opposing value/force which is Evil. We believe both in God and in Satan. No good crop (love) can exist in such a landscape riddled with weeds. See Pure Goodness or Pure Love without an opposing force and if you truly believe in God then you must also believe that Evil is also His creation!

Try perfecting this life that you have before you can hope for a better life in "the kingdom to come", which is a cop out in itself.

The holder of such a belief lives in turmoil in this world and always hopes for a better world in the next, never realising that one can be perfect in this world which is given as a gift and an opportunity to see, feel and just BE good. Do not squander such a golden opportunity.

Try it, you might just become good. And when you do, you will stop looking at another as an enemy. You will find many common bonds that tie you to all human beings and you might find their lives as precious to them as you find yours to you. Then you might extend a helping hand and avoid hurting and waging wars and producing massive amounts of WMD and you might just act as if The Kingdom to come is already upon us and we are living it.

Instead of living in fear of this life and hope for the next, see this life as a perfect one and try to live upto that perfection. Accept nothing less for yourself and by extension wish that for the rest of humanity. Peace be upon you.

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Peacetroll wrote:

"The evil is greater in this world, The love is greater in the kingdom to come."

This is precisely the believe that must be changed for as long as we believe that evil exists in this world we will court it and accept it. We have invented Good/God and given it an opposing value/force which is Evil. We believe both in God and in Satan. No good crop (love) can exist in such a landscape riddled with weeds. See Pure Goodness or Pure Love without an opposing force and if you truly believe in God then you must also believe that Evil is also His creation!

Try perfecting this life that you have before you can hope for a better life in "the kingdom to come", which is a cop out in itself.

The holder of such a belief lives in turmoil in this world and always hopes for a better world in the next, never realising that one can be perfect in this world which is given as a gift and an opportunity to see, feel and just BE good. Do not squander such a golden opportunity.

Try it, you might just become good. And when you do, you will stop looking at another as an enemy. You will find many common bonds that tie you to all human beings and you might find their lives as precious to them as you find yours to you. Then you might extend a helping hand and avoid hurting and waging wars and producing massive amounts of WMD and you might just act as if The Kingdom to come is already upon us and we are living it.

Instead of living in fear of this life and hope for the next, see this life as a perfect one and try to live upto that perfection. Accept nothing less for yourself and by extension wish that for the rest of humanity. Peace be upon you.

Posted by: ahmed from bahrain | May 31, 2007 7:43 AM
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Peacetroll wrote:

"The evil is greater in this world, The love is greater in the kingdom to come."

This is precisely the believe that must be changed for as long as we believe that evil exists in this world we will court it and accept it. We have invented Good/God and given it an opposing value/force which is Evil. We believe both in God and in Satan. No good crop (love) can exist in such a landscape riddled with weeds. See Pure Goodness or Pure Love without an opposing force and if you truly believe in God then you must also believe that Evil is also His creation!

Try perfecting this life that you have before you can hope for a better life in "the kingdom to come", which is a cop out in itself.

The holder of such a belief lives in turmoil in this world and always hopes for a better world in the next, never realising that one can be perfect in this world which is given as a gift and an opportunity to see, feel and just BE good. Do not squander such a golden opportunity.

Try it, you might just become good. And when you do, you will stop looking at another as an enemy. You will find many common bonds that tie you to all human beings and you might find their lives as precious to them as you find yours to you. Then you might extend a helping hand and avoid hurting and waging wars and producing massive amounts of WMD and you might just act as if The Kingdom to come is already upon us and we are living it.

Instead of living in fear of this life and hope for the next, see this life as a perfect one and try to live upto that perfection. Accept nothing less for yourself and by extension wish that for the rest of humanity. Peace be upon you.

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Peacetroll wrote:

"The evil is greater in this world, The love is greater in the kingdom to come."

This is precisely the believe that must be changed for as long as we believe that evil exists in this world we will court it and accept it. We have invented Good/God and given it an opposing value/force which is Evil. We believe both in God and in Satan. No good crop (love) can exist in such a landscape riddled with weeds. See Pure Goodness or Pure Love without an opposing force and if you truly believe in God then you must also believe that Evil is also His creation!

Try perfecting this life that you have before you can hope for a better life in "the kingdom to come", which is a cop out in itself.

The holder of such a belief lives in turmoil in this world and always hopes for a better world in the next, never realising that one can be perfect in this world which is given as a gift and an opportunity to see, feel and just BE good. Do not squander such a golden opportunity.

Try it, you might just become good. And when you do, you will stop looking at another as an enemy. You will find many common bonds that tie you to all human beings and you might find their lives as precious to them as you find yours to you. Then you might extend a helping hand and avoid hurting and waging wars and producing massive amounts of WMD and you might just act as if The Kingdom to come is already upon us and we are living it.

Instead of living in fear of this life and hope for the next, see this life as a perfect one and try to live upto that perfection. Accept nothing less for yourself and by extension wish that for the rest of humanity. Peace be upon you.

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The problem with WAR TODAY, is that in order to deceive one's enemy, one must often also deceive one's own people.

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EVEN IF WE ARE THEREFORE IN IRAQ TO PRESERVE AMERICA'S FUTURE ACCESS TO OIL ---- SO WHAT !!!

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WHEN WE THREATENED TO BLOCKADE JAPAN MONTHS BEFORE THEIR ATTACK ON PEARL IN 1941, THEY ATTACKED TO PRESERVE THEIR ACCESS TO NATURAL RESOURCES ELSEWHERE.

IN WORLD DEMOCRACIES, OIL AND OTHER NATURAL RESOURCES CAN BE BOUGHT AND SOLD -- IT IS THE DEMOCRATIC WAY -- BUT WHEN ZEALOTS AND ESPECIALLY ALLEGEDLY RELIGIOUS ZEALOTS CONTROL TERRITORY RICH IN NATURAL RESOURCES +++++WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENS NEXT +++DON'T WE !!!

So we pray, study, work AND MAKE SURE THAT NEVER HAPPENS AND IF THAT REQUIRES WAR, THEN SO BE IT.

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The problem with WAR TODAY, is that in order to deceive one's enemy, one must often also deceive one's own people.

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EVEN IF WE ARE THEREFORE IN IRAQ TO PRESERVE AMERICA'S FUTURE ACCESS TO OIL ---- SO WHAT !!!

LETS WAKE UP FOLKS AND BEFORE WE DECIDE TO GIVE UP OVER THERE, TRY WALKING EVERYWHERE FOR A MONTH, OR RIDDING A BIKE EVERYWHERE.

AND EVEN IF YOU DON'T MIND PERSONALLY DOING THIS AND ++++IF+++++ YOU ARE IN A POSITION TO PERSONALLY DO THIS, OUR AIRLINES, BUSES, SUBWAYS, MILITARY AND HEATING SUPPLIES CURRENTLY REQUIRE OIL.

WHEN WE THREATENED TO BLOCKADE JAPAN MONTHS BEFORE THEIR ATTACK ON PEARL IN 1941, THEY ATTACKED TO PRESERVE THEIR ACCESS TO NATURAL RESOURCES ELSEWHERE.

IN WORLD DEMOCRACIES, OIL AND OTHER NATURAL RESOURCES CAN BE BOUGHT AND SOLD -- IT IS THE DEMOCRATIC WAY -- BUT WHEN ZEALOTS AND ESPECIALLY ALLEGEDLY RELIGIOUS ZEALOTS CONTROL TERRITORY RICH IN NATURAL RESOURCES +++++WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENS NEXT +++DON'T WE !!!

So we pray, study, work AND MAKE SURE THAT NEVER HAPPENS AND IF THAT REQUIRES WAR, THEN SO BE IT.

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The problem with WAR TODAY, is that in order to deceive one's enemy, one must often also deceive one's own people.

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EVEN IF WE ARE THEREFORE IN IRAQ TO PRESERVE AMERICA'S FUTURE ACCESS TO OIL ---- SO WHAT !!!

LETS WAKE UP FOLKS AND BEFORE WE DECIDE TO GIVE UP OVER THERE, TRY WALKING EVERYWHERE FOR A MONTH, OR RIDDING A BIKE EVERYWHERE.

AND EVEN IF YOU DON'T MIND PERSONALLY DOING THIS AND ++++IF+++++ YOU ARE IN A POSITION TO PERSONALLY DO THIS, OUR AIRLINES, BUSES, SUBWAYS, MILITARY AND HEATING SUPPLIES CURRENTLY REQUIRE OIL.

WHEN WE THREATENED TO BLOCKADE JAPAN MONTHS BEFORE THEIR ATTACK ON PEARL IN 1941, THEY ATTACKED TO PRESERVE THEIR ACCESS TO NATURAL RESOURCES ELSEWHERE.

IN WORLD DEMOCRACIES, OIL AND OTHER NATURAL RESOURCES CAN BE BOUGHT AND SOLD -- IT IS THE DEMOCRATIC WAY -- BUT WHEN ZEALOTS AND ESPECIALLY ALLEGEDLY RELIGIOUS ZEALOTS CONTROL TERRITORY RICH IN NATURAL RESOURCES +++++WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENS NEXT +++DON'T WE !!!

So we pray, study, work AND MAKE SURE THAT NEVER HAPPENS AND IF THAT REQUIRES WAR, THEN SO BE IT.

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The problem with WAR TODAY, is that in order to deceive one's enemy, one must often also deceive one's own people.

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EVEN IF WE ARE THEREFORE IN IRAQ TO PRESERVE AMERICA'S FUTURE ACCESS TO OIL ---- SO WHAT !!!

LETS WAKE UP FOLKS AND BEFORE WE DECIDE TO GIVE UP OVER THERE, TRY WALKING EVERYWHERE FOR A MONTH, OR RIDDING A BIKE EVERYWHERE.

AND EVEN IF YOU DON'T MIND PERSONALLY DOING THIS AND ++++IF+++++ YOU ARE IN A POSITION TO PERSONALLY DO THIS, OUR AIRLINES, BUSES, SUBWAYS, MILITARY AND HEATING SUPPLIES CURRENTLY REQUIRE OIL.

WHEN WE THREATENED TO BLOCKADE JAPAN MONTHS BEFORE THEIR ATTACK ON PEARL IN 1941, THEY ATTACKED TO PRESERVE THEIR ACCESS TO NATURAL RESOURCES ELSEWHERE.

IN WORLD DEMOCRACIES, OIL AND OTHER NATURAL RESOURCES CAN BE BOUGHT AND SOLD -- IT IS THE DEMOCRATIC WAY -- BUT WHEN ZEALOTS AND ESPECIALLY ALLEGEDLY RELIGIOUS ZEALOTS CONTROL TERRITORY RICH IN NATURAL RESOURCES +++++WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENS NEXT +++DON'T WE !!!

So we pray, study, work AND MAKE SURE THAT NEVER HAPPENS AND IF THAT REQUIRES WAR, THEN SO BE IT.

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i am a little surpised by some of the reactions to mcclaren's brief essay. his main point - at least in my view - seems be that in the midst of war one of the things his faith does is teach (and probably help) him to (1) look specifically for instances of love and (2) be more attentive and appreciative of those instances of love. what is wrong with that?

Posted by: chuck | May 30, 2007 11:05 PM
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McLaren hits it on the head with his simple point and narrative. Nice work. Simplicity is not the same as naive. And hope is not the same as foolishness.

The simple message of love surrounding evil rings of truth to all who have suffered.

Sometimes it is not so evident who wins the battle between love and evil - particularly in the midst of war.

May it soon be clear that love wins.

Every time.

Posted by: Tony | May 30, 2007 10:23 PM
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Dear Anon Ghost,

I think you talking about the never ending cycle of revenge that I have touched on before:

Be Offended - Retaliate - Justify Retaliation... over and over again

The only way I see that the cycle can be broken is through forgiveness. When a person, country or society is grievously wronged, it chooses to forgive rather than exacting revenge.

Why do you think McLaren is "tricky"?

Posted by: ghostbuster | May 30, 2007 10:20 PM
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We CHOSE this war. WE are the evil. We are not defending ourselves.
Each soldier who dies, does so not for a rightous cause, but dies a political pawn or a hired gun, whoever you'd like to see it.
That is the TRUE SIN of this war, what we make our soldiers die for.

Pease is a choice. When will we choose it?

Posted by: somebody else | May 30, 2007 8:17 PM
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This image of love gathering around evil is especially poignant..

"Where there is sin: there grace more abounds." I've used that bit of wisdom in my ministry to the displaced and dying many times.

"God is reconciling the world to Himself through Christ." Jesus' message and ministry is reconciliation and whenever we enter into His ministry we become visible evidence of the invisible Church active in the world.

"the Church as we see her spread out through all time and space and rooted in eternity, terrible as an Army with Banners. That, I confess, is a spectacle which makes even our boldest tempters uneasy. But fortunately it is quite invisible to these humans." cs lewis in screwtape letters

Posted by: jack makes it clear | May 30, 2007 7:44 PM
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Story telling, the art of framing imagery, emotion, connection and some nostalgia in words and lines. If the author Thomas Moore
can merge talk of the dark with the light then why not evil and hatred counter balanced against or engulfed by a spirit of love? And if the imagery doesn't exactly fit each reader, what does it matter, as the intent of the author is so clear.

Bruce Cockburn is also one of my favorite writers/singers - too bad he's from Canada and can't be claimed as American gold. Many say "What"? when listening to Cockburn's lines too, but within is much insight.

Keeping faith during times of war - through forgiveness,prayer,meditation,selfless service and endless charity. Maybe love is simply a part of all of these and that when hatred or evil beckons, love like the opposite side of a gravitational pull, is able to bump aside or surround that dark side gloom.

Let the critics pick a more meaningful metaphor than the spirit of love - to surround us, in these times of war. B Mclaren, thank you for your most thoughtful rendering.

Posted by: slewis | May 30, 2007 6:05 PM
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When evil and hardship come our way, revenge and hatred can surround us, developing into generational hatred. The pain and discomfort from our mistreatment can lead to such things as honor killings, ruined lives, and suicidal bombers. Racial hate lives for centuries in the Middle East and around the world. The evil generates and sustains the hate as evil has this purpose - to gather hatred, not love. Love comes from somewhere else. That love comes from God through the forgiveness taught to us by Jesus Christ. Look around the world. Where there is no emphasis on forgiveness in the culture that is where the evil gathers more evil with no counter balance that only comes from the provider of love, God. This evil will not be gartering love anytime soon because God is not worshiped who gathers love wherever He is present. McLaren is a very tricky person and he knows what he is saying and it does not honor God nor Christ.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2007 4:48 PM
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Maybe I missed the point of your article after reading the comments. Or, perhaps those commenting missed the point.

When evil and hardship come our way, good (love) can surround us, alleviating or minimizing the pain and discmfort from our current situation.

When my brother died at age 21, our family and friends surrounded us with their love. It did ease the pain of the situation by having others share our grief and carry a portion of the burden that was far too heavy for us to deal with on our own.

I have to believe there is more love out there than there is evil. More people who want good instead of bad. Those that bring love to overpower war, hatred, evil...

Posted by: Mary Ann Levine | May 30, 2007 2:49 PM
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Peacetroll:

The Kingdom is here now, as Mr. McLaren has written about (and more importantly, as Jesus taught).

Posted by: UCCer | May 30, 2007 2:37 PM
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I'd say love *better* fricking gather around. Shouldn't leave the field to fear hatred, after all.

That's part of what tears are for.


Sometimes I just wanna tell the righteous warmongers to just go get a room, anyway.

I'll tell you one thing, Bgone, for such 'righteous ones,' everything certain pious people do sure does seem to have a way of coming out backwards.


Posted by: Paganplace | May 30, 2007 1:46 PM
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Is your leukemia surviving son on his way to "where the dead squad lives?" Think about it. Survive leukemia to be shot in the head. I can see how your leukemia surviving son makes your case.

Maybe, "by right of conquest" will fill in the blanks for you. That's the right of the stronger to overpower the weaker and take all they have including their lives. "By right of conquest" comes directly from God.

Then there's http://www.hoax-buster.org/sellyoursoul that fills in all the blanks of "by right of conquest" as well as faith. It's Devil and not God that you worship. Looking for better ways to do that?

Devil just loves war, where men send each other to hell, right now. Devil is impatient. "Send me more dead squads" says he. Hell is where "the dead squad lives."

Posted by: BGone | May 30, 2007 1:00 PM
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The only thing that you will find gathered around evil is sin, death, and destruction. It is silly to even think that around evil, there gathers love. The choice to love even when evil strikes is ours but the evil makes it pretty difficult to do so. Anyone with an once of common sense knows that evil attempts to destroy love and in no way nourishes/gathers love. What a nutty idea.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2007 12:10 PM
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Your Faith Blinds You

A hopeful but naive column, I am afraid.

To have the bottom line message of War be

It Leads to Love

is derisable, fantastical, child like,

War is an Obscenity,
and the way that a Nation's Leaders
clothe themselves in Robes of God and Jesus
(Bush's favorite "political philosopher")

is at the top of the list of
Exploitative and Unspeakable Obscenity.

Posted by: Henry James | May 30, 2007 11:27 AM
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The evil is greater in this world,

The love is greater in the kingdom to come.

Posted by: Peacetroll | May 30, 2007 10:22 AM
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