Accomodation is Capitulation

MR. THOMAS:
You must be back on your meds because you spoke with clarity and actually made sense.

The problem is, the problem isn't quite so simple. First and foremost, western powers need to get out of the Middle East and stop killing Muslims by the thousands. The United States has been involved in that part of the world since the 1700's and generally making a mess of it.

It matters not that we deny that this is a Christian Crusade -- Arabs consider their lands to be sacred and they're dying for Allah, so it's a religious war even if only one side thinks so.

Now you know how the American Indians felt when Europeans settled in and moved them out.

To the Obfuscating Jihadist and the other one billion Muslims out there,

Once again:

Your problems go beyond the Bin Ladens, the Shiite Iranian crazies and the Sunni "Wannabees" of Saudi Arabia.

The problems are in the basic foundations of Islam itself as one can see from the following:

1. Belief in "pretty/ugly wingie thingies"

2. Belief that an hallucinating, illiterate Arab did actually talk to the "pretty Gabriel" in the hot "Gabe" cave and therein received the warmongering and anti-female words and resultant laws now listed in the koran.

3. That Sunnis are superior to Shiites in all aspects of life. And Shiites think the same way about Sunnis.

4. That Islam is perfect and the koran inherently condones no sin even though the 24/7, 800 year-old blood feud between Sunnis and Shiites gives significant credence that greed, hate, suicides, assassinations, maiming, and murder are condoned by the koran. Having multiple wives also gives significant credence to the sins of rape, adultery, lust and polygamy. The condoned treatment of these wives gives credence that the koran allows the sins of hatred, anger and greed.

These are tough issues. Address them, correct them then ask again to be allowed into the civil world!!!!!

And accusing someone of spreading hate and lies does not work when these "someones" are simply listing the facts. If you have counter points about your beliefs then list them. Hiding behind imams and clerics blinded by 1400 years of brainwashing serves no purpose other than to secure a dishonest living for said imams and clerics.

TO JIHADIST:

Thank you for your reply and remember we are all in this together.

We are all brothers and sisters whether we like it or not and God's Plan is for ALL of us.

Take care, see you in the Kingdom.

Sincerely, Thomas Paul Moses Baum.

TO JEFF P AND THE REST OF HUMANITY:

Thank you for your post.

I guess one of the reasons you may think of me more as a deist than a religionist might be that after meeting God, I take the fact that God gave us free will seriously, and so does God.

God cannot make us do anything, He will not violate our free will, if He did then it would not truly be free.

Just as Jesus said that He would send the Holy Spirit to guide us into all Truth, think of what a good guide should be, someone to help you not force you.

I am not a religionist for the reason that it is not about religion with the outward rules and regulations but just as it says in the bible, I will write My Law upon their hearts not on stone, I will transform their hearts into hearts of flesh and not of stone.

If the only reason that someone does or does not do something is because it is a law, whether religious or secular, rather than because they feel or know in their heart that it is the right thing to do or not to do than are they really free or just automatons?

Does this mean that I always do the right thing, NO, I am not perfect, actually I am far from being perfect, I am just a messenger and as I have said before, don't follow me.

I am a Catholic and I cherish my Catholic Faith but I also find that sometimes the Catholic Religion can become just that a religion.

It is so simple but that does not mean that it is easy, one of the things that the apostles did get was, "These are hard sayings", talk about an understatement.

God is a Being of Pure Love, I could never imagine God actually being, LOVE, that is beyond my imagination and I imagine beyond anyone else's, but the simple fact is God the Father really did come into my heart.

I have met the whole Trinity, it doesn't matter if anyone believes me or not, but for what God chose me for, I had to know.

When I say that God is a searcher of hearts and minds, not of religious affiliations or lack thereof, I really don't know how to put it any simpler.

Also when I say that it is important what you do and why you do it and what you know, I am speaking to the whole world when I say that, all that means is that we are responsible for what we do, whether we take responsibility or not is another thing.

Also the 'what you know' is important too.

Another thing that I have said quite often but not yet on these postings is that a lot of people that have been taught since childhood about Jesus really seem to be so "ho-hum" about the awesomeness of God becoming one of us.

When I say God, I mean the Creator of absolutely everything except for Himself.

Think about it.

Also another thing to think about is that God chose to become one of us whereas some people seem to put it somewhat differently.

One day all will know that God, thank God, is nothing like what some of the people that know His Name think that He is. I am just a messenger and the message is God wins, satan loses, a tie is unacceptable.

The captives shall be released and the dead shall rise.

Take care, be ready, see you [all of humanity] in the Kingdom.

Sincerely, Thomas Paul Moses Baum.

J-

"Mr. Thomas can't very well demand Muslims to be secularists when he wrote pieces that seem rather ambivalent when it comes to his co-religionists in their demands for the US government to support more faith-based initiatives, for their faith, in the US and globally. This is the sort of blowback that all religious leaders and writers who championed their own faith and beliefs in the public square, have to eventually deal with - is what I want and got for my faith from the state to be equally given to those of other faiths and beliefs?"

I totally agree. I had to read his post twice to believe it was actually his writing. Cal Thomas--separation of church and state?! Yep I'll look forward to subsequent posts, we'll see where this goes.

Did you enjoy Susan's new book? I've not purchased it yet but will have to give it a read. I did read "Thumpin' It" and came away somewhat humbled in my own political persuasions, but see how that good 'ole Bible is alive and well in American politics. I'm sure you'll be watching our 2008 election with some of the same interest as me.

Have a good day--hope to "see you around," and thanks for your reply.

Mr. Thomas Paul Moses Baum,

Hello. Yes, I read your posts and never commented on them even when you made interesting comments on Islam and Muslims from the prism of your own faith.

I recognise and accept the different beliefs Christians and Muslims have on God and other matters related to faith. I would not presume to step into a Christian debate on aspects of their faith, dogma and creed. They know better and best. And Muslims have many different notions and interpretations on our faith as do in Christianity, Buddhism, Judaism, Hinduism.

I really have no intention of taking anyone aside in On Faith threads full-time or all the time on what they said in their posts. I am more interested in what the On Faith panelists wrote and to respond where and when I want on their essays. But, of course, some posts by both believers and non-believers do move me to respond.:)

Best regards

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Hello Jeff P,

You getting sluggish:)

Let's give you something to chew on and spit out or spit on.

Cal Thomas, in all his writings on Islam and Muslims, showed a distaste for the excesses of faith as shown by some Muslims in the name of Islam to "legitimise" their horrific and inhumane acts. No argument about that as so do I.

Perhaps, Mr. Thomas, deep in his heart, recognise religious excesses in his co-religionists if left unchecked.

What Mr. Thomas wrote is perhaps, transferred or reflected fear of religious extremism and fanaticism - in this case to and on Muslims that he, if he is honest enough, would recognise among some of his more enthusiastic co-religionists.

Mr. Thomas can't very well come out and criticise his co-religionists, can he? After all, they comprise the majority of his readers.

Perhaps Mr. Thomas does not want to see, or fail to see that the American religious right's sophististicated networking, funding and lobbying as pressure groups without firing a single shot is as dangerous and more insidous, to secular states in their demands for more rights for their faith. This is the cancer in America he should recognise and which Mr. Jacques Berlinerblau and Susan Jacoby wrote about in some of their essays in On Faith, and in their latest books, "Thumpin' It" and "Age of Unreason" respectively.

Rabid, insecure and fearful Christians, as do rabid, insecure and fearful Muslims, do fear faith in the public square when another faith comes into their traditional "domain" as the primary, majority or established faith group. Then, they all either become more assertive on their faith as the primary faith, or become champions of secularism, calling for and asserting seperation of church and state when those of another faith ask for some space, some allowances to practice and express their faith in the public square.

I do have some doubts Mr. Cal Thomas is a true secularist, or even a "timid secularist" as you implied. He would seem to be just a temporary one, an expedient one, a particularised secularist when a faith he personally find distasteful is in question for requests or demands for state accomodation as the primary or majority faith is perceived to be accorded and accomodated.

Mr. Thomas can't very well demand Muslims to be secularists when he wrote pieces that seem rather ambivalent when it comes to his co-religionists in their demands for the US government to support more faith-based initiatives, for their faith, in the US and globally. This is the sort of blowback that all religious leaders and writers who championed their own faith and beliefs in the public square, have to eventually deal with - is what I want and got for my faith from the state to be equally given to those of other faiths and beliefs?

We will have to see if Mr. Cal Thomas is consistent in lauding and promoting seperation of church and state in his subsequent syndicated columns and essays in On Faith.

Until then, his "secularism" is grey or ambigous or partial or not objective or selective. Pick one or all.

Thanks and regards

"J"

Athena:
I would support your initial thought simply because, (over literally decades) I've been reading Cal Thomas, on this issue he sounds almost like an uncharacteristically timid secularist who is afraid of religion--not the usual panderer to the "revealed truth" and a direct reflection of the radical right that usually comes to mind when he writes. It's to be avoided at all costs as long as it's not his religion.

And then I have to confess that I agree with Cal Thomas in this on principle. Keep a strict separation of church and state--allow religious folks opportunity to express their religious preference, but PLEASE don't make anyone's belief-system a part of secular law.

Thomas Baum--I've always thought of you more as a deist than a specific religionist. You generally have a "blessing" for everyone. I've not been able to come to believe as you do, but if I had a preference of the way I'd want a god to be, it'd be the way you describe it. Don't lose heart, friend.

TO JIHADIST:

You wrote, "Maurauder! The end is near. So said Spiderman2 and Thomas Baum in these threads. Repent or be damned. Meet them in the Kingdom. I have other plans.", have you ever thought about actually reading what I write.

Sincerely, Thomas Paul Moses Baum.

why do televisions keep on broadcasting Munich of Spielberg especially on CNBC-e channel here, the channel with an eye in the top of a pyramid?

why shall you go to China, President? do you have another crash plan?

this is not artificial central intelligence.

and it is just a blink of an eye to react to a news, Williams Bush, though in the Olimpics in stead of Kids Garden, if you are free and heartfully frank.

movies would take so long, President.

Italy is going to purchase natural gas from Iran
Williams Bush shall go to Pekin

it was this simple.

i ask money from Australian Classicsnetwork too.
i hope USA Government and Washington Post shall add too.

Cal Thomas, i want to travel
and i need a passport and money.

to go
to wend

went.

lets medicate on the word "god".
lets listen what are in the word "god"?

saint : saned (to make sane)

go-ed
who is the Wend?

wend : slavic people in Germany
to wend : to make one's way: rahm etmek
rahmet : grace, tenderness

Goed: passed the border, Saned.

in Anatolia, Saints are Goeds
MAsters are Goeds.

in Anatolia, masters drink beverage of love
that is, thymuse gland is filled and full.

who are Greek Gods then?
lets medicate on mythology

phillips : phil-lihp
mythology : myth-thyme logos

thymuse gland, they had a different storization to store in stories.

1001 Nights (Levent Alkan version)
(to Hollywood, i ask for 1/40 of the income of the first related movie)

this governor was spiritually high
and he was not from the family who tortured Ahmet
but had been appointed as governor.

he was spiritually high at nights. he had tenderness at nights.
in the morning, for he was a governor, he had to kill his wife.

tenderness at nights is like wife.

then he had a wife and governed in peace daily
and then they had three sons. he was happy at last.

to Her MAjesty of Queen of United Kingdom
to His Holiness of Pope Benedictus of Vatican

i thank for Kangoroo of Migros and CEO of TOFAS
i want to thank for the CEO of FIAT in Bursa too.

you know the Call to St Francisco for the House and Church
how many golden coins is this House of St Francisco?

http://www.classicsnetwork.com/showcreativeprint.asp?IDNo=1264

how many golden coins is what i did on internet?

from Microsoft to Novell, from Linux to Nokia
from Yahoo to Google, from Hillary Clinton to Tom Lantos,
from Yankees to New York, from Washington to Seattle
from St Francisco to the Computer on Your Desk.

may i take it from 5038895 post office account to my name, that Clerks of Presidency of Turkey shall post from You.

some have said "Is Evil The Devil or Just Live Spelled Backwards?"

David wrote "Ye that love the Lord, hate evil: he preserveth the souls of his saints; he delivereth them out of the hand of the wicked."

Solomon wrote "The fear of the Lord is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate."

Solomon also wrote,
"These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:"

It is written in Genesis

And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

And Lamech said unto his wives, Adah and Zillah, Hear my voice; ye wives of Lamech, hearken unto my speech: for I have slain a man to my wounding, and a young man to my hurt. If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech seventy and sevenfold.

And all the days of Lamech were seven hundred seventy and seven years: and he died.

Do you see "seven are an abomination unto him:"
"vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold" "If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech seventy and sevenfold" This is what is written in Matthew "Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation." "Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times? Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven."

This is what your god said "Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven." "And Lamech said unto his wives, Adah and Zillah, Hear my voice;"

Love thy Father "Ye that love the Lord, hate evil"
Fear thy Mother "The fear of the Lord is to hate evil"

"Is Evil The Devil" Ask yourself, are you the children of evil or the Devil.

Cal said "Accommodation with those who would deny freedom of conscience, freedom of worship"

The word that came to Jeremiah from the Lord saying, Hear ye the words of this covenant, and speak unto the men of Judah, and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem; And say thou unto them, Thus saith the Lord God of Israel; Cursed be the man that obeyeth not the words of this covenant, Which I commanded your fathers in the day that I brought them forth out of the land of Egypt, from the iron furnace, saying, Obey my voice, and do them, according to all which I command you: so shall ye be my people, and I will be your God: That I may perform the oath which I have sworn unto your fathers, to give them a land flowing with milk and honey, as it is this day. Then answered I, and said, So be it, O Lord. Then the Lord said unto me, Proclaim all these words in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem, saying, Hear ye the words of this covenant, and do them. For I earnestly protested unto your fathers in the day that I brought them up out of the land of Egypt, even unto this day, rising early and protesting, saying, Obey my voice.

Look at the Words of Jeremiah “Obey my voice, and do them, according to all which I command you: so shall ye be my people” “to give them a land flowing with milk and honey” Rmember what Jeremiah said “The word of the Lord which came to Jeremiah the prophet against the Gentiles;” He prophesied “The lion is come up from his thicket, and the destroyer of the Gentiles is on his way; he is gone forth from his place to make thy land desolate; and thy cities shall be laid waste, without an inhabitant.”

And he said unto her, Give me, I pray thee, a little water to drink; for I am thirsty. And she opened a bottle of milk, and gave him drink, and covered him. Again he said unto her, Stand in the door of the tent, and it shall be, when any man doth come and inquire of thee, and say, Is there any man here? that thou shalt say, No. Then Jael Heber's wife took a nail of the tent, and took an hammer in her hand, and went softly unto him, and smote the nail into his temples, and fastened it into the ground: for he was fast asleep and weary. So he died. And, behold, as Barak pursued Sisera, Jael came out to meet him, and said unto him, Come, and I will shew thee the man whom thou seekest. And when he came into her tent, behold, Sisera lay dead, and the nail was in his temples. So God subdued on that day Jabin the king of Canaan before the children of Israel. And the hand of the children of Israel prospered, and prevailed against Jabin the king of Canaan, until they had destroyed Jabin king of Canaan.

Look “she opened a bottle of milk, and gave him drink, and covered him” “took a nail of the tent, and took an hammer in her hand, and went softly unto him, and smote the nail into his temples, and fastened it into the ground: for he was fast asleep and weary.” Do you see “Blessed above women shall Jael the wife of Heber the Kenite be, blessed shall she be above women in the tent.”

Moreover the Hebrews that were with the Philistines before that time, which went up with them into the camp from the country round about, even they also turned to be with the Israelites that were with Saul and Jonathan. Likewise all the men of Israel which had hid themselves in mount Ephraim, when they heard that the Philistines fled, even they also followed hard after them in the battle. So the Lord saved Israel that day: and the battle passed over unto Bethaven. And the men of Israel were distressed that day: for Saul had adjured the people, saying, Cursed be the man that eateth any food until evening, that I may be avenged on mine enemies. So none of the people tasted any food. And all they of the land came to a wood; and there was honey upon the ground. And when the people were come into the wood, behold, the honey dropped; but no man put his hand to his mouth: for the people feared the oath. But Jonathan heard not when his father charged the people with the oath: wherefore he put forth the end of the rod that was in his hand, and dipped it in an honeycomb, and put his hand to his mouth; and his eyes were enlightened. Then answered one of the people, and said, Thy father straitly charged the people with an oath, saying, Cursed be the man that eateth any food this day. And the people were faint. Then said Jonathan, My father hath troubled the land: see, I pray you, how mine eyes have been enlightened, because I tasted a little of this honey.

Look at the Words of Saul “Cursed be the man that eateth any food until evening, that I may be avenged on mine enemies.” Do you see “come into the wood, behold, the honey dropped” Look “he put forth the end of the rod that was in his hand, and dipped it in an honeycomb, and put his hand to his mouth; and his eyes were enlightened.” the Words of Jeremiah “Obey my voice, and do them, according to all which I command you: so shall ye be my people” “to give them a land flowing with milk and honey” Look “Saul and Jonathan were lovely and pleasant in their lives, and in their death they were not divided: they were swifter than eagles, they were stronger than lions.” Do you not understand “in their death they were not divided”

Now look at the words of Paul/Saul to the Corinthians, “I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.” “What will ye? shall I come unto you with a rod, or in love, and in the spirit of meekness?” He said to the Romans “According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear” Look “smote the nail into his temples, and fastened it into the ground: for he was fast asleep and weary” “behold, the honey dropped” “he put forth the end of the rod that was in his hand” Do you see “in their death they were not divided” “I have fed you with milk” “shall I come unto you with a rod” “Cursed be the man that eateth any food until evening, that I may be avenged on mine enemies.” Do you see “I pray you, how mine eyes have been enlightened, because I tasted a little of this honey.”

“Obey my voice, and do them, according to all which I command you: so shall ye be my people” “to give them a land flowing with milk and honey” “they were not divided: they were swifter than eagles, they were stronger than lions.” “The lion is come up from his thicket, and the destroyer of the Gentiles is on his way”

And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle.

“first beast was like a lion” “The lion is come up from his thicket, and the destroyer of the Gentiles is on his way”

Behold, he is hid now in some pit, or in some other place: and it will come to pass, when some of them be overthrown at the first, that whosoever heareth it will say, There is a slaughter among the people that follow Absalom.
Then said Joab, I may not tarry thus with thee. And he took three darts in his hand, and thrust them through the heart of Absalom, while he was yet alive in the midst of the oak.

Zion shall be redeemed with judgment, and her converts with righteousness. And the destruction of the transgressors and of the sinners shall be together, and they that forsake the Lord shall be consumed. For they shall be ashamed of the oaks which ye have desired, and ye shall be confounded for the gardens that ye have chosen. For ye shall be as an oak whose leaf fadeth, and as a garden that hath no water.

“Absalom, while he was yet alive in the midst of the oak” “For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.” “the sinners shall be together, and they that forsake the Lord shall be consumed. For they shall be ashamed of the oaks which ye have desired” “There is a slaughter among the people that follow Absalom”

“the second beast like a calf”
Look “she opened a bottle of milk, and gave him drink, and covered him” “took a nail of the tent, and took an hammer in her hand, and went softly unto him, and smote the nail into his temples, and fastened it into the ground: for he was fast asleep and weary.”

“I have fed you with milk” “he put forth the end of the rod that was in his hand”

“the third beast had a face as a man”
And the Lord said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.
And Pharaoh said unto him, Get thee from me, take heed to thyself, see my face no more; for in that day thou seest my face thou shalt die.
Ye shall not respect persons in judgment; but ye shall hear the small as well as the great; ye shall not be afraid of the face of man; for the judgment is God's: and the cause that is too hard for you, bring it unto me, and I will hear it.

“for in that day thou seest my face thou shalt die.” “ye shall not be afraid of the face of man; for the judgment is God's” “I have made thee a god to Pharaoh”

“the fourth beast was like a flying eagle”
Herod the Great built Caesarea for Caesar. Jews did not consider Herod to be a true Jew. The Idumaean family, successors to the Edomites of the Hebrew Bible, settled in Idumea, formerly known as Edom, in southern Judea.

Early Christian mentions of Caesarea in the apostolic period follow the acts of Peter who established the church there when he baptized Cornelius the Centurion.

And David commanded to gather together the strangers that were in the land of Israel; and he set masons to hew wrought stones to build the house of God.
And David prepared iron in abundance for the nails for the doors of the gates, and for the joinings; and brass in abundance without weight;

“nails for the doors of the gates” “Peter who established the church there when he baptized Cornelius the Centurion”

The Apostle Paul often sojourned there, and was imprisoned at Caesarea for two years before being taken to Rome.

And the Lord sent thee on a journey, and said, Go and utterly destroy the sinners the Amalekites, and fight against them until they be consumed.
Making request, if by any means now at length I might have a prosperous journey by the will of God to come unto you.

“the Lord sent thee on a journey, and said, Go and utterly destroy the sinners” “I might have a prosperous journey by the will of God to come unto you”

REPLT TO: FAITHFULSERVANT3, who wrote

"Anyone who thinks America is any better than Islamic countries and the barbarities that some there commit is suffering from a "deadly denial virus. The difference is mostly superficial. In technological achievements and material wealth we are superior. These have nothing to do with morality or godliness."

I am always amused at people like you, who are so blind and so lacking in self-awareness, you do not see the contradiction inherent in your comment.

No difference? How about the very fact that, in the United States, you are absolutely free to long on to a web site on the Internet and freely express your views, no matter how much they criticize the government or the majority group or the ruling establishment, without the slightest fear that the mukhabarat (police, FBI, KGB, Gestapo) will come and take you away? Or that your Internet connection will be monitored, censored, or severed?

Go live in just about any Muslim country, my friend, and try to do that.

What is it with people like you and immigrants to this country, who just don't get the supreme irony in their presence here? The very fact that tens of millions of people have voted with their feet that this is the preferred place to live is the very empirical proof that America is the superior country, culture, and society on earth. We are better than the society that you came from. That's why you are here--and I'm not there.

PS.

My problem with my fellow Christians is the focus of their words and works.

Jesus said in several gospels: "Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick,. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance."

The tone and the focus of too many evangelicals makes this work virtually impossible. With criticism and the fear of damnation brimming in your words you preach well to the choir and may even be able to convince some low hanging fruit of the righteousness of Jesus Christ.

But the more difficult to convince will entirely shut you out. No compassion, no sympathy, no understanding; no LOVE. Jesus is love!

What a waste.

Cal:

Anyone who thinks America is any better than Islamic countries and the barbarities that some there commit is suffering from a "deadly denial virus."

The difference is mostly superficial. In technological achievements and material wealth we are superior. These have nothing to do with morality or godliness.

Our own injustices and barbarities are similar in kind and quantity to those so many Christians demonize.

We are not talking apples and oranges here. Perhaps tangerines compared to valencias.

When Cal Thomas and I agree on something, it must be true. And I agree 100 percent with his comments on the Archbishop's proposal.

Hello Maurader/Marauder,

That's it? To say I can't spell, I am bigoted, full of hatred, and don't know a Marauder is a Mercury car?

Of course I am a bigot. I said so myself.A bigot deserve a bigot, no? Cal Thomas deserves a Muslim mirror as a compliment and a flattery.

Of course I can't spell, nor do I know of all American car types. Benz is better? I just hate it that I am not up to speed on the latest American car models.

Have a good weekend.

"J"

Jihadist says-

"But as you are a "Maurauder", want to go rape and pillage"

FYI-

A Marauder is a Mercury car.

You are a bigot. Full of hatred. And you can't spell.

Maurauder! The end is near. So said Spiderman2 and Thomas Baum in these threads. Repent or be damned. Meet them in the Kingdom. I have other plans.

Er, by the way, your NYSE is really on shaky grounds and affecting global markets. It's the US economy. What to do. You doing anything about it? Sign. I thought not.

But as you are a "Maurauder", want to go rape and pillage the global markets with me?

Hope you have a good weekend.

"J"

(the unrepentent and unapologetic Islamist/Islamofascist)

Jihadist shows herself again..

Somebody tell her she's standing on shaky ground.

Mr. Cal Thomas,

Thanks for your lovely essay. Only an unapologetic believer and bigoted Muslim like me can truly appreciate it. So, I feel really comfortable with you.

Thomas : Anyone who is not aware of the subtle strategy of the religionists who hate and wish to destroy the Western way of life suffers from the deadly denial virus and is living in a Harry Potter fantasy world.

Moi : Yes of course. I must confess that as a religionists, albeit of a different faith from you, learn a lot from my fellow Abrahamic faith adherents, the Christian inerrantists and literalists. These cousins of ours are doing a fantastic job from within the west/US, on our behalf, to fight against such silly notions as evolution, the world is round and the state is secular.

We can't have the uppity secularists taking over and forcing us to erase "In God We Trust" from even money. We also hope our inerrantist and literalist Christian cousins would have bonfires to burn all those Harry Potter books lauding withcrafts and wizardry. It is all fantasies of a most dangerous kind for us and such a potent virus infecting our impressionable minds.

Thomas : Accommodation with those who would deny freedom of conscience, freedom of worship and equality to women only encourages them to turn up the heat and convinces them they are winning.

Moi : Yes, we can never accomodate women who wants to be imams and kadis and muftis or heads of churches. After all, man, not woman, is created in the image of God. So our Christian inerrantist and literalists cousins tells us. We respect their beliefs and morally support them to stem more women from joining the clergy.

Thomas : Debra Burlingame, the sister of American Airlines pilot Charles Burlingame, who was murdered by believers in Sharia law when they crashed his plane into the Pentagon on 9/11, wrote in The Wall Street Journal: "Radical Islamists are a sophisticated and determined enemy who understand that violence alone will not achieve their goals.

Moi : Thank you for sharing with us Debra Burlingame. We will add her to our list of most respected scholars and experts on Islam, Muslims and terrorists and will quote her extensively. We are most impressed that "Islamists" are said to be "sophisticated" when they have have no heard of Voltaire or Susan Sontag nor fret over what is the best wine to go with duck liver wrapped in carpiccio and lightly braised with honey-mustard-teriyaki sauce.

Thomas : (Quoting Debra Burlingame) Islamist front groups, representing themselves as rights organizations, are attempting to get a foothold here as they already have in parts of Western Europe by deftly exploiting ethnic and racial politics, agitating under the banner of civil liberties even as they are clamoring for the imposition of special Sharia law privileges in the public domain..."

Moi : Ms. Burlingame is most perceptive for we, the Islamists, learn from our evangelical minded inerrantist, literalist Christian cousins to promote our cause as "human rights" in all countries of the world. We want all people to have rights to believe anything they wanted as long as they believe in God the way we do. We also want our human rigths to demand creationism to be taught in our schools and our religious symbols to be in all the public square and the government not to intefere in what we do there. It is, our rights, our human rights.

Thomas : There is not a country where Sharia law is the law that accommodates any other law or belief.

Moi : We are heartened that our literalist, inerrantist Christian cousins are inspired by Saudi Arabia in not allowing other beliefs in the public domain for after all, America is a Christian nation founded by Christians and hence, nor other beliefs be accomodated by law in any public places.

Thomas : By allowing Sharia law co-equal status with British common law, the British government has sealed its doom with more certainty than Neville Chamberlain did at Munich seven decades ago.

Moi : Like our inerrantist, literalist Christian cousins in the US, we are seeking co-equal status of God's law with state law. We are seeking total supremacy for God's law. We are not Nazis. There are a historical blip. We are around for centuries. We, the Army of God, for the Kingdom of God, will never surrender. We will fight the secularists on the beaches, in the fields....

Thomas : Compromise with evil only encourages more evil. Resistance and combating evil is the only path to victory over it.

Moi : We will never appease the godless secularists! We will never compromise with the atheists! We will resist the abortionists loving bleeding hearts liberal secularists! We will combat the evil that is the tofu-eating, tree hugging, war wimping out godless secularists. We will prevail! Resistance is futile! God is on our side! God will deliver us from evil!

Thomas : How much longer should we allow people from certain lands, with certain beliefs to come to Britain and America and build their mosques, teach hate, and plot to kill us?”

Moi : Yes! We can never allow Muslims to go to America and build their mosques and preach hatred. Yes, we can never allow Christian evangelicals to go to Muslim lands to preach and build churches and preach hatred against those who are not "saved" nor want salvation!

Thomas : “Okay, let’s have the required disclaimer: Not all Muslims from the Middle East and southeast Asia want to kill us, but those who do blend in with those who don’t. Would anyone tolerate a slow-spreading cancer because it wasn’t fast-spreading? Probably not. You’d want it removed.”

Moi : Yes! We can never allow people into our countries who refused to blend in! We will force them to learn our language, have a Saudi Arabian mind, an American mind or they to leave our countries!

Yes, we will stop cancer from spreading to us from that body to this body! We must kill that other body from infecting us with cancer! We will ignore that cancer is within our own bodies, spreading in ourself! We don't know viruses and diseases and how they are spread and cured and we don't care! Science is not faith!

Okay. I'm in cancerous remission now.

Isn't is something that Jesus of Nazareth boiled everything down to one word, LOVE, which happens to be what God is, a Being of Pure Love.

Living it, or at least trying to live it, is a lot harder than telling others to live it which is what some seem to think 'christianity' is.

Any "religious" law which is not LOVE written on the heart is just another set of rules and/or regulations to tie you down rather than to set you free.

Jesus never said that it was easy, actually He said quite the opposite, if it is just a religion to you and a set of do's and don'ts, then you just don't get it.

There should be no "religious laws" of any religion put into the civil law because if it doesn't come from the heart then it is just a law.

NOT THE LAW, LOVE.

If you notice it is not about religion, it is not about believing in God or not believing in God, it IS about LOVE and one day all will know that God is a Being of Pure Love.

Take care, be ready, see you [humanity] in the Kingdom.

Sincerely, Thomas Paul Moses Baum.

I was actually referring to Mr. Thomas and the evangelicals, not all religious people. I am not bigoted against Christians - just could have phrased that a little better.

"I'm not advocating Sharia - hardly! I can't see why any woman would willingly live under Islamic law, or even convert to Islam. But, really, folks. This is why we have the First Amendment!"

Which is why Sharia LAW is contrary to the entire Constitution, not just the 1st amendment. If Muslims want to enter into contracts around the things that are governed by Sharia law they are free to do so under the laws that pertain to contracts (i.e. limited by law and court precedents). But under NO circumstances will the Constitution permit a "personal status court" that forces anyone to be subject to it. That will NEVER be allowed in this country unless we change the Constitution to do so.

Athena -- Your statement about those who oppose Sharia law ALL being some kind of religious zealot is pure bigotry on your part. I'm agnostic and am zealously opposed to any form of imposed Sharia law. Stop projecting your hatred of religious people onto everyone who is not an accomodationist.

Isn't it ironic that the people who are screaming the loudest against Sharia are the same ones who think that the U.S. needs to follow Biblical Law? That has no problems with large granite stones carved with the Ten Commandments should be in every courthouse in the country, including the Supreme Court? Shoe. Other foot. How does it feel?

I'm not advocating Sharia - hardly! I can't see why any woman would willingly live under Islamic law, or even convert to Islam. But, really, folks. This is why we have the First Amendment!

Cal, don't you think what's good for England is good for us? You must the way you insist on religion controlling the law of the land here. Time for a lesson. The Devil Lucifer is behind the religion/government mess.

Lucifer loves all faith. All faith is good for Him. Well, leave faith in God out of course. The more diverse the faith and the more entangled faith gets with government the more Lucifer likes it. Therefore we must "cherish" all faith. Faith is faith.

Look about you. Where did all this chaos come from? There must be a Devil.

There is! http://www.hoax-buster.org/sellyoursoul There is a Devil and His name is Lucifer. Devil delivers the big money to those who follow His divine teachings and lead people of faith to His kingdom, hell.

Case in point, the really big money: 400 years ago the Spanish were about the business of looting Latin America -turned it into a 3rd world area today. Sir Francis Drake robbed the Spanish and took a few boatloads of gold belonging to Latin Americans.

Drake brought the gold to the Queen, head of the Church of England. She rewarded Drake with knighthood and some of the gold was passed on to the Archbishop of Canterbury where it was used to make the sacred articles of faith, chalices, monstrances etc. In the end all the gold was 'gifted to God' by one or the other intermediate looters.

You probably know that story. And of course you may have seen the fine church in Spain with a solid Aztec/Inca gold altar where the son of God is sacrificed. That's what the catholic mass is all about, the sacrificing of the son of God so that sins can be forgiven. Did you know that Devil just loves it, people sacrificing God's son to Him. So it's His son. A sacrifice is a sacrifice and when it's Devil receiving the sacrifice...beggers can't be choosers.

You can forget it Cal. There's more Muslims than Christians and 10's of times more than Baptists. And you know that money drives the government -how much money has Hillary raised kind of thing. Where there's money you will find Devil and Devil worshipers. You might say that money worship is Devil worship. I know you want religion to be 'official' so don't be surprised when your fringe one gets made illegal,, by the big boys.

Of course you could stump for ending the notion of government recognizing any religion. But that would end tax exemption for how else will government know who to not tax. Perplexing. Huh?

Think of it this way. The next terror attack will be planned at a tax exempt mosque. The money will be unaccounted and tax free,, like Billy Graham ministries. And the money will have been deducted from income taxes too. Hallelujah! I believe!! And Amen -the Amen, the faithful and true witness.

Just look at all the benefits of 'official' religions. This is a Muslim country isn't it. Well, it will be won't it if we don't get religion out of government?

we rushed to Chinese mobile phones but we were still in this case. we developed domestic operating system but we used still database of parties of this subject.

and we were hacked. i am a simple user but sensitive to energies. for years i cried and explained loud. but i was hacked many times.

i say "we" to put forward a general public situtation.

one of owners of Google sponsors artificial intelligence and Tesla CArs and Motors. Microsoft Nokia a few more mobile companies Novell AT&T are together.

and we computer users rushed to Linux but we could not escape either. we did not know. we rushed to mobile phones but we still were in this subject.

do you know who is the South African sponsor of Ubuntu? MArk Shuttleworth, CAnonical Ltd. in London and Montreal. who is behind Hillary Clinton? and why do they insist on this software?

and after the World Trade Center, Rockefeller and Microsoft came here to give Windows and Computers especially to teachers and schools with sale and free.

any one in government or public did not know a word about. i left computer science and engineering department nine years ago and i learned this year.

Cal Thomas

i am not sure whether you are able to read, for security reasons,

about Yahoo and Google (and their Russian Chinese Norwegian owners, and Jewish Tom Lantos, and Psi Phi LAmbda groups)

(a pilot who crashed into a tower was a polish and was a member of one of Phi Psi LAmda groups)

with Utah Microsoft and Novell, also with Rockefeller and Ford FAmilies of New York and Second World War with Hitler,

for World Trade Center of September 11th, and Second World War.

this is not a religious case that you can talk about Islam. it is a matter of a mineral to be used in processors which is known as the horse of Muhammed that had taken Him to His Goldenness.

boron mineral (Buraq), Saba of Solomon, Flying CArpet, Throne of Metatron etc. but Ahmet prophet is different.

"Accommodation with those who would deny freedom of conscience, freedom of worship and equality to women only encourages them to turn up the heat and convinces them they are winning."

Like a presidential candidate who would like the Constitution amended to more closely adhere to the scriptures of his own religion, and who believes that wives should be submissive toward their husbands?

Cal Thomas is an elderly bigot.
His is like an old fart kavetching about the coloreds moving into his neighborhood: "their trying to take over".
But Cal, your military installations, ships, military funding, and massive military dominate the world, including protect the Muslim dictators; why are you afraid of few engineers or cab drivers? Or are you just a pathetic bigot whose found a new scapegoat for your hatred?
A white man flew his plane into the White House on Sep 13, 1994 to kill Clinton.
In fact during the 1990s, the 'dark menace' threatening America was really coming from within from white Euro-American, Christian, ritewing extremist, terrorists. Why here in Orlando, the plot that was miraculously uncovered in the late 1990s and is still recalled by EMS to this day was white Christian terrorists planning to destroy a downtown overpass, collapsing it at midday traffic, so regional ES services would be distracted and banks in a distant wealthy corner of the metro area would be robbed so these terrorists could have funds to bankroll their future plans.

In reality, Muslims are in the West because the Muslim world is stagnant, decrepit, corrupt, fraudulent, rampant with bigotry, racism, backwardness, oppression, torture, all perpetuated by the Muslim regimes that are held up directly or indirectly by America, EU, Russia, and their global institutions.

People want to go to UK and America to make lives for themselves because 'back home' the regimes and their elites suck the life out of their societies.

The real solution to the plight of Muslims in the West is NOT to implement shariah courts in Western nations. Shariah is a comprehensive legal system. The REAL solution is for Muslims to return to the Muslim world, remove the regimes which corrupt and sicken them, and rebuild their lives with a government that adheres to their beliefs, ideas, and needs regardless of what old bigots on their front porch bicker on about.

"Anyone who is not aware of the subtle strategy of the religionists who hate and wish to destroy the Western way of life suffers from the deadly denial virus and is living in a Harry Potter fantasy world. Accommodation with those who would deny freedom of conscience, freedom of worship and equality to women only encourages them to turn up the heat and convinces them they are winning."

Well said Cal. Down with the religious right.

I posted the following on Cal's ISLAM AND FREE SPEECH thread. I encourage every reader to check out what CAIR is doing in their city and state:

"REFRESHER= Cal is the syndicated columnist and author who came under fire for comments deemed by the Council on American-Islamic Relations to express "Islamophobic attitudes." Discussing the (July,2007) UK terror plots, Thomas compared some Muslims to a “slow spreading cancer.” CAIR urged supporters to call DC radio station WTOP-AM to “express your concerns” and demand that he be fired. CAIR described Cal's comments as “incitement.”

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/cal-thomas-defends-his-comments-against-islam-part-1/2971596370

Cal stood by his comments and CAIR backed down.

Here is a portion of what Cal said:

“How much longer should we allow people from certain lands, with certain beliefs to come to Britain and America and build their mosques, teach hate, and plot to kill us?” Thomas asked. “Okay, let’s have the required disclaimer: Not all Muslims from the Middle East and southeast Asia want to kill us, but those who do blend in with those who don’t. Would anyone tolerate a slow-spreading cancer because it wasn’t fast-spreading? Probably not. You’d want it removed.”

Cal has the right to speak his thoughts on Muslims and Islam.

But as Cal's encounter with CAIR shows- it is an Islamic goal to preclude freedom of speech."

Before we ever consider allowing Muslims in America to practice sharia law: we must establish why they are working hard to use our existing laws against us. LEGAL JIHAD? Why do they try to censure ANYONE who may criticize Islam. And why were the Muslim groups so upset about 3 men speaking to Air Force cadets?

3 Ex-Terrorists Speaking at AFA; Muslim Group Objects:

"The Air Force Academy has invited three men who say they are former Islamic terrorists to speak at the 50th annual Academy Assembly, which opened Tuesday.

The invitation to the four-day event, "Dismantling Terrorism: Developing Actionable Solutions for Today's Plague of Violence," has angered a national Muslim group, which calls the men "anti-Muslim bigots."

"It's as if they had (ex-Klansman) David Duke come to speak about race relations," said Ibrahim Hooper, spokesman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations. "Their entire presentation is based on the false belief that the root cause of all terrorism in the world is Islam and that it's evil and of the devil."

The assembly, founded in 1959, is a student conference on topics of contemporary significance, according to the academy Web site. This year's event is not meant to discuss any religion but to train future leaders, said Maj. Brett Ashworth, Air Force communications director.

Today's opening presentation, Inside Terrorism, features Walid Shoebat, Kamal Saleem and Zak Anani. They are described by their publicists as "three former terrorists" who "practiced hatred against Christians, Jews and Americans" and were "part of sleeper cells in the USA."

CAIR's offer to send a speaker with an alternative view of Islam was rejected because the conference isn't supposed to be about religion, Ashworth said.

The Air Force made a counteroffer to consider a CAIR speaker on terrorism. But Hooper said he rejected that as unfair because Islamic terrorism was an intrinsic part of the conference message and "we need someone to go and defend Islam with a balancing perspective."

Ashworth said the Air Force expects the three speakers to confine their message to terrorism.

Walid Shoebat, one of the three speakers, said in an interview Tuesday that he was born to an Arab father and American mother in Bethlehem in 1960. He said he renounced terrorism in 1978 when he came to America and became a Christian.

Shoebat shrugged off CAIR's objections, saying they are nothing new."

SO- Why did Hooper TURN DOWN an offer to speak at the event as believing moderate Muslims AGAINST terrorism? And why is no Muslim group denouncing what happened at the event?

Muslim Student Threatens Former Terrorist's Life at Air Force Academy Event

"Former terrorists Walid Shoebat, Kamal Saleem and Zak Anani addressed cadets at the U.S. Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs, during their annual political forum. They shared their experiences as terrorists and helped cadets understand the Islamic fundamentalist mind set.

During the event a Jordanian college student, identified as Omar Khalifa of Metro International, approached Kamal Saleem and spoke to him in Arabic, "you are an enemy of Islam and you must die." The incident was reported to Military Police, who are investigating Khalifa's threat.

"The men receive threats of this nature all of time and we take each one very seriously," said Keith Davies, Executive Director of the Shoebat Foundation. "That is why each of the men live in seclusion."

"We have all been told that Islam has been hijacked by extremists,” said Walid Shoebat. "Yet CAIR, who profess to be ‘Moderate Muslims’ are the Three Ex Terrorists biggest critics, and pull out all stops to try and keep our voices from being heard. I beg to ask the question; if CAIR is indeed moderate as they claim, then WHY are they not supporting our campaign against 'extremists? If they are sincerely against the Fundamentalist Muslim agenda why do they oppose us?"

Actually, Cal Thomas has been an ardent oppoenent of equality for women for decades right here in this country. In fact, virtually all of the opposition to the equality of women in the U.S. is from right wing Christians. The concept of 'submitting to one's husband' is totally incompatible with the concept of equality.

Very well said...for once, I agree with you Mr Thomas!!

Well put, Mr. Thomas.