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"By using Cruel & Unusual Tactics: Three-3 ALQAEDA members confessed to following the Turkish/Pakistani ISLAMIC BROTHER HOOD's International plot/plan to eject all KAFIR'S from All the 54-OIC-Nations before Saudi Arabia and the GCC creates the new ISLAMIC CURRENCY...."
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EEZMAMATA, you sound like a disciple of Christopher Hitchens to me. You're certainly repeating his dogma that only Athiests posses all the wisdom in the world and the rest are just stupid. Thats closer to the position of a religous fundo you'd like to admit. All I can say is grow up dude, non-religous people can be just as violent, unreasonable and fanatical as religious people.

Btw I am wondering where in Europe are you where you believe they've totally detached from religion. Is it Italy? Spain? Ireland Greece? Serbia? Turkiye? Maybe if you move out of your Athiest ghetto wherever in Europe you are, you'll see religion is all around you.

YASSERYOUSUFI: christians, muslims, you're all insane. The only real difference is that here in the west, particularly in Europe, we've found a way to mostly free ourselves from your insanity.

Any argument claiming one religion is better than the other could not be more ridiculous. All of you are animated, are made insane by the essentially the same delusions. Until the countries in the world which are currently oppressed by islam can reach the point where they too know what insanity religion is, the whole world has to deal with muslim insanity.

If you don't like how europe treats muslims, too bad. Go to Europe, I'm living there now ... it's great to be free of religion, I wonder if you possess the intelligence to understand that.

But here you're doing essentially the same thing. You're making claims about how muslims are treated in the US by comparing how they're treated in Europe.

What does that have to do with anything in America?

---EEZMAMATA

EM, Either you have not made an honest effort of understanding the premise of my post or you are not aware of the positions this guy and his fellow radical christians like Sekulow take. To them, its a war between Christiandom and Islam and they consider Europe to be on their side. One of their talking points is we are not going to give in to muslims like Europe did (without ever explaining it fully). They use this article space, among other avenues available to them, to rally up Christians for butting heads with muslims not just in US but Islamic countries. The oft repeated lie that there are no churches in muslim countries is just a canard these hatemongers use up to whip up the sentiments of their base. I can challenge anyone on this, there are more churches in muslim countries than there are mosques in Europe and America.

As far as I know, there is no restriction on building churches in Europe and the situation of muslims can hardly be considered ideal over there. So I will attack anyone who abuses the authority of the article space on this blogs to broadcast outright lies. You should either challenge me on the facts or take your own advice and get over it~!

Meanwhile, all over Europe muslims pray in junkyards, empty factories, abandoned churches etc. because no one allows them to build new mosques or expand the ones that have run out of space.

Let me understand this: Cal claims that since muslim countries aren't nice to christians that America shouldn't be nice to muslims, this despite the first amendment. Obviously Cal doesn't really believe in our constitution.

But here you're doing essentially the same thing. You're making claims about how muslims are treated in the US by comparing how they're treated in Europe.

What does that have to do with anything in America?

And besides, Europe doesn't care much for any religion, what makes you think yours deserves any more respect in Europe than it gives christianity? And lastly, in Europe there aren't any secret police sticking muslims in jail for praying in those places you whine about. There aren't any christian fundamentalists strapping on bombs and killing women and children.

Unless and until the muslims in europe start doing blowing each other up, they're going to be as ignored as any other religion, they're going to be seen as just as stupid, ridiculous, primitive and barbaric as any other.

You don't like it, get over it.

but to demand a quid pro quo and ask that construction of churches and synagogues be allowed in Muslim countries
---Cal Thomas

There are 56 pre-dominantly muslim countries in the World, can we actually have a list of countries that have no churches? These are the kind of lies Christian fundos keep spreading without anyone ever taking them on. Meanwhile, all over Europe muslims pray in junkyards, empty factories, abandoned churches etc. because no one allows them to build new mosques or expand the ones that have run out of space.

The Christian holidays of 25th December and 1st January are public holidays all over Islamic world. Muslims dont even get a half day off to enjoy Eid's with their family.

Cal Thomas has moved decisively into the ranks of the true wing nuts with this column. Rather than dignify his incredibly ill-informed rantings with point-by-point analysis, two comments:

1. When are Cal Thomas and his fundamentalist, conservative, right-wing (or whatever) Christian allies going to do something about the divorce crisis in their ranks? The divorce rate in the Bible Belt is far higher than in the rest of the country, especially when compared with the mainly Blue states where liberals and progressives predominate. The inability of Christian fundamentalists to form stable marriages poses more of a threat to family values and the institution of marriage than gays and lesbians ever could. But the divorce crisis is being ignored. Why?

2. Why do Cal Thomas and like-minded Christians continue to perpetuate the dangerous notion that the God in their Bible is the font or all morality and laws? That God endorses genocide and slavery. The Christian God's order to commit genocide is found in Numbers 31: 1-18. His endorsement of slavery includes the right of fathers to sell their own daughters into slavery, together with detailed instructions on how to do it (Exodus 21:7). Surely, the perpetuation of the cult led by this terrible and frightening god bodes ill for humanity. In fact, maybe his teachings are the source of his followers high divorce rate.

I think it's fair to say that the majority of Muslims don't accept the legitimacy of the state of Israel, and this is the root cause of why Muslims are hated by many Jews and fundamentalist Christians. But there's a big difference between those kinds of feelings versus taking up arms against all who support Israel, and that's what many Jews and fundamentalist Christians fail to understand. I may despise people on welfare who could work but don't, but I don't advocate going out and gunning down every black person in DC just because a large minority of blacks in DC are on welfare. And I don't personally hold all black people working in my office accountable for the failure of a large minority of blacks to behave responsibly by remaining free from substance abuse, making an effort to hold down steady work, and having stable two-parent families. I recognize that only a minority of blacks- taken as a group- behave like this. So why do people like Cal Thomas persist in stigmatizing all Muslims as potentially being violent extremists driven by their religion to hate others? Yes, there are extreme versions of Islam, and there are also much more tolerant versions of Islam- just like there are extreme/tolerant versions of Christianity and Judaism. Within modern history, countries like Spain have been just as intolerant toward Muslims as today's Muslims in Saudi Arabia are toward Christians.
One of the world's biggest displays of religious bigotry is on display in the West Bank of historical Palestine, as Israelis seek to displace Palestinian farmers and villagers with Jewish immigrants. Not because they are refugees or persecuted- as they were in 1948 when Israel was founded-, but just because they have the power and money to take it from a powerless and subjugated population. This is what fuels much Muslim rage against the US, because our government supports this and Muslims everywhere feel dishonored as a result. I'm not a Muslim; I'm a non-fundamentalist Christian. But as a rational human being, I can understand how Muslims must feel about the whole situation. And I suppose that kind of anger directed back at people like Cal Thomas must make people like him feel uncomfortable about being around Muslims. It seems to me that someone very wise had something to say about this kind of thing, roughly 2000 years ago, when HE said, "remove the plank from your own eye before you try to remove a mote from someone else's eye". Pretty good advice- then and now.

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"Aren't tolerance and pluralism two-way streets? Shouldn't they be? While Americans are supposed to be "sensitive" to the demands of a Byzantine fanaticism, the fanatics display nothing short of intolerance and a desire to eradicate any and all beliefs that do not conform to their own. "

Why do you specifically target Islam, but not secular atheistic countries like Uzbekistan and North Korea which match Iran and Saudi Arabia for intolerance? Or the atheist terrorist groups like FARC and ETA? Or the Christian terrorist groups in the Ireland Catholic-Protestant struggles? Or even just match Israel's demands from their own human rights groups that their country respect the human rights of Arabs?

You tarnish the image of Evangelicals with your bias towards certain groups such as Muslims and Gays, while letting numerous other groups of the hook for their actions.

Why is it that sex before marriage (which is a huge occurrence in the US) is not a targeted problem that could be destroying marriage, yet homosexuality (which occurs far less often than premarital sex) is a target?

The answer is that your views are not religious, they are political. You latch onto religion like a parasite to espouse your political beliefs under the guise of religion.

Chagasman

Catholic?! Cal Thomas is anything but Catholic.

Once again, Cal Thomas advances his fanatical Catholic agenda while whining about those who refuse to allow him to shove his religious view in their faces. Cal would love to see the USA become a religious dictatorship. He would probably love to be the one selected to throw the first stone at an accused adulterer.

"Evangelicals will look for Republican candidate to advance their agenda over America..."

Wow, what a stunning prediction. Just bowl me over with a feather. :)

So, since these other countries won't follow our principles on Freedom of Religion, we shouldn't either? Is this the quid pro quo you're after?

You're a sick scumbag, you know? We don't just dispense with our constitution just because some other country won't follow it, what a child, what a juvenile putz.

Cal, over and over again you miss the point. The "mosque" fiasco (It wasn't a bloddy mosque, for crying out loud!) means exactly squat in foreign countries. It wasn't the gov't of Iran, Syria, or even the UAE trying to set up this community center, but a group of individuals. So what if they got some international money for this? Is it any different than getting a loan from the Vatican to help build a new parish?

As far as these "death panels" you're so paranoid about: Are you in fact aware that 80% of the medical costs associated with terminal conditions are associated with the final three months of care? Often, they are in excruciating pain the entire time. If someone has the PRIVATE funds to pay for that kind of care, sure, let them waste their money, but I'm sick and tired of my TAX DOLLARS going towards this.

Finally, as far as gov't "re-education" is concerned (esp. in relation to abortion), are you seriously going to tell me that no one else is attempting to brain-wash the American public? How else can you explain Justin Bieber?

"The reason: it seemed to many to be a effort to intentionally provoke Americans in the same place violent Islamists killed thousands of innocent people"

How dare muslims think of building atop the ruins of that sacred tower of America's true religion, greed. That would be like saying they have conquered the bastions of the Industrial Military Complex that has forced brutal regimes on much of the world, and most recently destroyed a nation and murdered a million innocents. We are better than those terrorist because we have better WMDs.

Mr. Thomas, I hope you can understand how many many Americans of varied religious backgrounds and none find part of your post very threatening to their rights, equality before the law and religious freedom; "the role of the church in politics will continue to be debated in 2011 as evangelical Christians, especially, look for a Republican candidate who can best advance their agenda".
There is a large segment of the evangelical community who while they certainly don't represent all evangelical Christians are the most politically organized and aggressive in imposing their theocratic agenda on America...even though this agenda has major implications and restrictions for the rights and beliefs (on abortion, marriage and personal 'morality exemptions from laws) of other Americans, Christian and non alike.
No one is questioning evangelicals' rights to worship and live their lives as they choose under our shared Constitution, only theocratic-minded evangelicals' attempts to impose their agenda on the rest of America.

I guess while "God is reaching into [Cal's] heart" with one hand, the other hand is tweaking some gene mutations so another baby can be born with a deadly disease, or, perhaps His second hand is shaking the earth for an earthquake and/or tsunami to kill some more people.

Please spare us the dripping self-righteousness, typical of the cheap-labor/ rich elite supporting Republicans who couldn't care less about the down-trodden.

Without question (at least to me) the debate over the so-called "Ground Zero Mosque" had to be the top religion story of 2010.

- Cal Thomas

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Yes, especially in the American mainstream media and blogs and reactions from proposed banning Muslim immigration to proposed International Burn a Qur'an Day.

So, now we know there are rabid American fanatics and bigots to match Muslim bigots and fanatics.

Yes....in 2011 and beyond, the Evangelicals, the Christian Conservatives, the Constitutional Conservatives etc, will have more and bigger impact in America's political, social and legal sphere than any Muslim fanatic and bigot. God help us all.

There is no such thing as "Evangelical Christians" in the Bible. The hateful epithet "Christian" was created by Greek-speaking pagans in Antioch, Syria when Paul and Barnabas preached about the Anointed One (Christos) there.

Jesus' followers called themselves "Believers." It was the non-believers who called them "Christian."

Jesus explicitly said that he did not come to the world to set up an earthly political government.

I am an Evangelical; but, I am not a right-wing ultra-conservative proof-texting Bible-thumper like Cal Thomas is.

Cal Thomas does NOT unconditionally love people. He doesn't love gays either.