Support for Israel Does Not Forbid Criticism

The reasonn why there is no peace is because we have many wannabe jews coming from russia. its a trend there. most of them have almost taken over Israel its just a matter of time when they get full control of Israel thats when armagadeon will be carried out against the innocent muslims.just like many people in stalins labour death camps were muslims and were mercilessly killed( In Afganistan and bosnia they did the same thing),similarly in armagedeon same thing will happen. Its gonna make first world war and second world war look like "pinic parties". Only Anti-Christ (the deceiver) can start this big war which today many chritians boast of. Eventually they will incur the wrath of God upon themselves because of the collateral damage that they will cause during armagedeon. But in the end this anti-christ and his party will be destroyed during the second coming of Jesus. Inother word judgment will be carried out against those people who will start armagedeon.
christians talk about the beast the beast is already in the process of taking over Israel. and the beast is the wannabe jewry from russia and all those KGB spys they are the one who are creating all this trouble in the world includng staged 911.(building number 7 fell without any plane strike).

The above is certainly anti-semitic. And as the writer says, Carter has helped that view along.

Jews have a lot of monney in the US, they are the money people of NY, by money they control elections, even president carter acknowledged that, read former congressman Paul Findley "They dare to speak out", he spoke out, his opponents got so much money for their campaigns and he was ousted. The israeli lobby is willing to kill many american soldiers t protect apartheid israel and to keep steeling west bank land.
AIPAC is te most dangerous organization in the US, that is the truth, can you handle the truth?.

Mr. Colson asserts that Israel is a free nation and a democracy. Both are incorrect statements. Mr. Colson than goes on to suggest ALL CHRISTIANS should respect JEWS no matter what, based on a promise in their bible/tora from their GOD.

I am glad I am a Nichiren Buddhist, but it sure explains the actions of Jews with regards to respecting other religions. Jews obviously believe they are better than others by birth.

Nichiren Buddhism teaches everyone is equal, with equal respect for ALL LIFE not just Jews. I respect Jews even if they do not respect me or my faith. Maybe one day Jews will learn to respect others first instead of last.

Charles Colson belongs in the pantheon of religious hypocrites (that may be redundant) who include Ted Haggard, Jimmy Swaggart, Jim and Tammi Faye Bakker, and the other sleazy and greedy rip-offs and Jesus hucksters that cadged a living off of the faithful for so many years. All of them have in common a gift for self-delusion and narcissism that would take a platoon of Viennese psychoanalyists years to unravel. It's social Darwinism in its purest state every time some poverty-stricken widow sends 10% of her meagre income to those thieves in return for a prayer cloth blessed by the bible-thumping thief of her choice.

Mr Coulson - I am not sure what gives you standing in answering this question, other than everyone has a right to an opinion even when it is based on nothing. I notice your post did not even begin to address the various meanings behind this vague statement of a topic: what the nature and subject of this criticism of Israel is all about - global warming?, bad wine? I believe from the other posts you might get an idea of the unspoken core issue here - both supporters and enemies of Israel are delving into the very questions that give Israel it's right to exist and to be a Jewish State. I think it is one thing for those of us who are gentiles or Jews who reside overseas from Israel to recognize that we do not live under the daily threats and pressures that the Israelis do - and that we can offer support and suggestions to Israel, but to criticise is not our place. Yes, I believe when American Jews do it they are engaged in self loathing, and when the gentile does it they are engaged in anti-semitism and for the best example I suggest none other than Jimmy Carter. Let us not be like him and a party to his sins.

BA'AL,
And he went to prison for said crimes, but we've been down this road before. He did the crime and the time. And I do agree that this if you disagree with the administration nonsense is just that...

And people said this question was lame... lol

I agree. I think that the citizens of Israel exercise their democratic freedom well. I think it is those dual loyalty pseudo-cons that we need to be concerned with here in the United States. I do not think they speak for the State of Israel, so much as they use it as a rallying cry.

It seems to me in America today, any opinion not agreeing with the public opinion is considered anti-American. The same is true of opinions of Israel.

People are not robots with opinions conviniently provided by decision or Adminsitration. If one group is afraid of others opinions of them, than they might consider changing how they act and treat others.

Some believe because Israel believes they are the 'chosen' ones, that everyone else should respect Israel, no matter what. I do not believe this is a common sense understanding of life and acting responsible.

I grew up understanding, 'respect is earned and not given!

I wish people would realize that Colson is a jailbird and nothing more.

Jews are the biggest anti-Semites on the planet given the genocide-like conditions they keep the Palestinians in, and the apartheid nature of Israel: read Pres. Carter's, Peace Not Apartheid.

Our old friend, Chuck Colson, emerging from beneath a dunghill to give us all lessons in moral instruction. My memory is a bit hazy, Chuck, exactly what was it that you said you would do to your mother if it would benefit Richard Nixon? There's no hypocrite like a religious hypocrite--is there, Chuck?

BGONE is correct. It's just like genocide: if it works, nobody calls it genocide. If occupation works, why should we keep calling it occupation?

When the Israelis kill civilians "by accident", it's completely alright, because they feel really bad about it afterward. When they bulldoze the homes of innocent people, it's alright because even though it might put 100 people on the street, or into a refugee camp, 1 of those people might have grown up to become a terrorist; better to kill them now. After all, aren't these "humans" the same shade of brown Osama bin Laden is?

Greg

As I am sure you expected, I pointed out Mr. Colson's criminal background as soon as I saw his post. This time, though, it is more relevant than for any of his other essays. That is because his sentence about it being patriotic to hold your government accountable is COMPLETELY AT ODDS with everything he did when he was in government.

Funny thing, though, is that Colson and his friends tend to deny the same right to Americans. That is, people who criticize the Bush administration and its wars are repeatedly said to be unpatriotic.

Colson says "The highest form of patriotism is to be able to call your own government to account when it is clearly in error." That is true. But Colson when he was in government did everything he could to prevent that from happening, that is why he is a convicted felon.

BRAMBLETON: The statute of limitations is up for Americans. Jews have had their ill gotten territory for about 60 years. Is it up for them yet? I don't know. Seems to me like, "by force of arms" is still being exercised. Same thing for more recent immigrants hereabouts. You're in favor of more arms to stop them? Good luck to you and the Arabs too. I believe in freedom of motion, unless of course it's my Indian land they decide to take and then... If it's yours...

MR.cooluson,
Do you live on planet Mars? You say "Israel is a democracy"??
Israel is a militrastic racist Jewish apartheid Theocracy, an illigitimate state, built on the ruins of another state of Palestine,has been occupying Palestine for 60 years thru a brutal,barbaric and inhumane occupation of millions of Palestinians,has driven them into total despair both the ones under its occupation and the ones in their diaspora which she forced them into exile outside Palestine in misrable refugee camps; your "democratic Israel" is the only "state"in the world without a constitution and without borders-creeping borders as far as the range of its American-made tanks-and never since its creation did Israel ever implement one single UN resolution including 181 in 1947 which was coerced to create it because Israel devoured that part of Plaestine that was assigned in the 181/partition plan for the Palestinians;for six decades it has refused flatly to allow Palestinian refugees to their homes while she herds thousands of jewish immigrants from over the world to Palestine to replace the refugees and thosed presently evicted by jewish settlers who never set a foot in Palestine before.

If you want to look the truth in the eye,then fly to the big concentration camp called Gaza and the west bank and see for yourself-I don't think your democracy will allow you in,it prevented Bishop Desmond Tutu from entering because he knows what an Apartheid is when he sees one,he lived in the now vanihed racist South Africa-used to be a very close friend of Israel.

Anti-Semitism??this is a recyceld story that occured over 65 years ago; we should focus on the holocaust that-ironically-is being inflicted by Israel on the Palestinans.

Also read President Cartre's book on the repugnent Israeli Apartheid.

LOL so funny. Two people who have never been to the Palestinian territories are lecturing me on Israel and the Zionist theory. No, i am not advocating America be returned to the Native indians. But i definitely think the current indians compensation of casinos is weird. After we slaughtered many of their population, you are using that as your example?
By the way Brampleton, its not like the Israeli defense forces dont kill indiscriminately themselves. Ive got about 6 cousins in graves before the age of 10 that were sitting in their homes when shot. My house in ramallah gets quartered in by soldiers every year. the list goes on. its ok though. The jews were "promised" this land. What a joke.
Ever heard of the example of the kid who was beat when growing up? When that kid grows up and has a child, he beats him. Same thing with the Zionists. Tormented there entire lives( sadly) by european mainly christians, they have come to dish out punishment.
By the way, do not call me an antisemite. I am a semite.

Anyone that uses religious doctrine about how they should be treated, might consider the treatment a person receives is based on how they act and treat others and not any other authoritarian approach. Criticism is just that critical thoughts. If a group is unable to take criticism, they are unable to change. Any group that thinks they should be respected because their teachings teach them that is just silly thinking and not very much use of common sense. Perhaps this is the reason Israel acts like they do, as if they deserve respect whether they respect others first or not. Buddhist teaching of Boddhsiattva Never Disparaging, from the Teaching of the Lotus Sutra teaches otherwise.

I'm assuming Sam and Bgone are also in favor of the U.S. turning over all of their land to the remaining Native Americans. And I suppose the building of checkpoints and walls doesn't have anything to do with people coming across your border and killing your citizens.

SAM:
I forgot to mention that Jews have a grant deed signed by God. Then there's the question as to which God signed it. http://www.hoax-buster.org/sellyoursoul says it was signed by Devil and not God. Of course that's just another, number 1,501 of the many interpretations of sacred scriptures. Even the author says he doesn't believe it.

I aslo failed to mention that anyone, anywhere one happens to be, has the right to defend one's self. That rule applies to Jews. Even if they are not entitled to the land they still have the right to defend their persons from anyone. That's a matter of natural law. Only Goons think there's such a thing as not being entitled to live. I hope you're not one of them.

SAM:
Did you ever hear of a "statute of limitations" that says in time the occupation ends and residence begins. It works like this: After you rob the bank the police have a given period of time to apprehend you before you get to call the money you own.

Once the residents of Israel are most all born there, natural born residents, then the limitations kick in. That comes under the heading of, "by force of arms." There is a limit on the time one has to use arms to resist arms. All deeds, (titles to real estate) have a chain of title that goes back to one or more, "by force of arms" grants.

I dont see why it is even a question that one should be critical of a country that subjugates an entire race of people. Holds them with rights, persecutes them, invades their homes, kills their children, erects checkpoints and Berlin walls all around them. Can we criticize Israel? Why is that even a question? It is a called an OCCUPATION for a reason.

Too bad a citizen of the US can't be critical of the US without being called a traitor. The same mentality that lables all criticism of Isreal as anti-semitic is used by neocons and Christian extremists to lable all criticism of the US as treason.

Well put, there is a line between honest criticism and bigotry. They are seperate things. Now how long before the usual 'you're a felon etc etc etc' comments appear?