Christians and Church; Muslims and Mosque

"Wafa Sultan gives a brave and honest critique of Islam."

Yeah, next time I'm born in a Muslim country, I'll be sure to give it a look...

Meanwhile, back in America...

Wafa Sultan gives a brave and honest critique of Islam..

"Wafa Sultan speaks in an interview broadcast from Cyprus-based al-Hayat TV. She criticizes accentuations of the negative in Islamic culture in the Arab world and what she perceives to be their roots. She offers a few words for Yusuf al-Qaradhawi, the conservative cleric who lambasted her for her March debate appearance on al-Jazeera. Wafa further criticizes other aspects of Islam that she believes to be wrong."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p92uOTF6Tho

And, btw, yeah, I'm really bummed. Call it a Pagan quirk, but till McCain went back on his 'maverick' principles to pander to the Fundies, I was actually glad of the notion of a respectable opposition, ...I disagreed with many things he said, but...

It's a sorrow to me he folded.

I mean, not to 'oppress' no Christians, or nothing, but if you're worried Obama somehow can't control some influence by Wright...

The alternative is a man to whom the *V.C.* gave all the special loving attention attack pilots got.. and stood strongly against torture for that reason... Until Hagee said, 'Support torture.' And McCain said... "OK."

What a 'maverick.'

Like I said, Gods love him for taking a hit for the team... But if you think Obama must be secretly 'programmed' by 'leftist' Wright, why you supporting the dude the actual Commies actually tried torturing all those years?

As an American, can I ask please that issues about any ultimate authority of books or Jesus please be worked out among yourselves, given that our current President was a notorious drunk and cokehead who as governor got his own records sealed as Governor of Texas, got elected on 'Jesiosity' or some such, meanwhile.... his party machine seems to demand rival candidates prove beyond a shadow of a Fox-news-invented doubt that Obama isn't a Manchurian candidate programmed by Malcolm X to mysteriously destroy Western society, as opposed, of course, to the eighty year old guy who can't remember his positions of last week and was *actually tortured by actual Commies with actual torture, thus took a very strong 'maverick' stand against torture... until Hagee told him, 'Don't oppose torture, you principled ex-torturee,' ...

At which point, voila, 'Torture is OK!'

Sorry bout the long paragraph.

But if you want to say, 'Maybe Obama absorbed something unsavory from Wright, despite his life's work and own expressions, he might be a closet Commie...'

What, you gonna vote for the panderer to Hagee and Fox, who, Gods love him, but he was *actually tortured by Commies for years?*

Are we talking rational here, or did we drop that under the Creation Science display of Cro-Mags fighting dinosaurs?

Dear Convert
You say:
“Now - to address current issue. I admit that when I became exposed to the kind of Islam promoted by ISNA, CAIR, MSA, MAS and other Brotherhood based groups, I was APPALLED. They advocate deception and lying not only to people of other faith about who they are and what they believe but they even lie to fellow Muslims. I am disgusted to hear their mythmaking and lack of honesty.”
Moi:
I do not know how much you know about your newfound religion, but there is a principle in Islam called "Taqqiyeh". Its short definition is “every thing is permissible if it furthers the cause of Islam”. You need not be “appalled” by those groups you listed along with Victoria because they were simply following a basic doctrine of their religion. On the other hand you were not following that doctrine when you expressed your revulsion by “their dishonesty”. Technically speaking you are an “apostate”.

You say:
“I found much to convince me that Jesus did NOT promote "the son of God" notion and this is a fallacy that the Christian world accepted without serious investigation.”
Moi:
The Quran itself states that Jesus is “from the spirit of Allah and His Word”. That is another way of saying "His (spiritual) son."

You say:
“Secondly from a spiritual perspective, I wanted to experience 'sacredness' in every moment of life, not just on Sundays and this is something Islam offers.”

Moi:
I do not really know what you mean by “sacredness”. Is it the daily worship rituals of Salat five times and the ritual of washing that goes along with it? This ritual was borrowed from the pagan Sabaeans, along with that rotation around the Ka’ba(Cubical structure) as well as the annual Hajj. You consider these mechanistic rituals “sacred”? In fact Allah is the pagan God of the moon of a Mecca tribe. That is why Muslims use the crescent as their religions symbol and place it over their mosques and on their flags.
As a former Christian, you should be aware that most of the stories found in the Quran are embellished stories from both the Old and New Testaments. The paradise described in the Quran is almost word for word copied from the Persian Zoroaster religion ‘s book. As a student of Arab poetry especially the Pre-Islamic poetry, I find many of that poetry copied in the Quran word for word.

You say:
“I believe that as Muhammad is a historical rather than a mythical character that acknowledging him as a Prophet is reasonable.”

I assure you that many people around the world and throughout history who have suffered because of his policies wish he was a mythical character. A prophet prophesises. Hopw many prophesies are alluded to him?

You say:
“However - to say that the history of conquering to convert, Muslims are forever doomed to exist within that paradigm is not acknowledging our capability as compassionate beings able to learn from and rise above our errors.”

Moi:
The only thing stopping “conquering to convert” is simply incapability. You heard their Friday “sermons”. How much do they seem to have learned since the 7th Century?

Thanks for link- Ibrahim. Here is more info-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undercover_Mosque

Dear Observer

I will not lie or deny that there are aspects of Qur'anic verse that i am uncomfortable with and i acknowledge the validity of your reasoning.

However - to say that the history of conquering to convert, Muslims are forever doomed to exist within that paradigm is not acknowledging our capability as compassionate beings able to learn from and rise above our errors.

Every religion tries, I believe, to convert others. We are at an age though when mutual respect must become predominant over coercion.
That means respectful dialogue must be the way of the future if there is to be any hope for humanity.

BTW - My decision came from my readings and not a personal conversion. That is probably why I was so shocked and disturbed to discover the destructive nature of the Brotherhood influence within Mosques. But that is their perversion of Islam, not my understanding of the tenants I have found valuable.

Let's put it this way, all in all, I try to stay open-minded.

I believe their is some kind of God-force beyond our full comprehension.

I believe that inspired people called Prophets and Saints are human and not Gods.

I believe that as Muhammad is a historical rather than a mythical character that acknowledging him as a Prophet is reasonable.

I see that in Meccan society he brought about compassionate and progressive reform.

Looks like that makes me a Muslim and I do not feel foolish about that. Islam HAS brought that sense of sacredness into my life that i sought and enhanced it greatly.

Convert says:

"When I read the Qur'an, I placed war-oriented scripture in it's historical context as one does when reading the Bible and thus did not focus on it."

This is where you went wrong. Wars in the old Testament , and that is what you mean by Bible, were a Hebrew’s tribe response to a certain threatening situation that ended with the removal of that threat. Wars and threat of wars in the Quran are a tool for a basic tenant in that religion to convert all humanity to Mohammad’s ideology. That is why the history of Muslims, especially the Arabs amongst them, is a series of wars that goes back to the time of their prophet. You do not see full fledged wars waged today against the non-Muslims because they (Muslims) are week and incapable. So they are doing the next best thing; terrorism and proselytizing, as they had succeeded with you.

CCNL writes: The 30% of the NT that is "authentic Jesus" like everything in life was borrowed/plagiarized and/or improved from those who came before. In Jesus' case, it was the ways and sayings of the Babylonians, Greeks, Persians, Egyptians, Hittites, Canaanites, OT, John the Baptizer and possibly the ways and sayings of traveling Greek Cynics. earlychristianwritings.com/theories.html

You really can contribute much CCNL when you stay with the academic assessments as above. I find some of your comments quite worthy to ponder. The derogatory comments however are mere opinion. Facts like above provide a better argument.

I agree with you on some aspects. I have read The Epic of Gilgamesh and Nag Hammadi library and Emerald Tablet and see where many of the Bible/Torah/Qur'an stories came from. Also, you must realize though that for some scripture and its cast of characters need not always be taken literally. Ismaili Muslims have a tradition called Tawil which means understanding greater universal truths beneath a scriptural 'story.'

A repeated story through various scriptural mediums may contain a profound moral or basic human truth. That the story or characters are of dubious reality does not necessarily deflect the truth held within.

Aesop's fables communicates such wise lessons.
The characters need not be real but the message is real.

Wisdom comes in a myriad of forms.

The stories are considered for the masses, in the hope that parable type stories can enhance one's moral sensibility.

Yet many people of faith believe in a God but acknowledge that the real mystery is beyond our knowing via literal texts. It is something more sublime than the written word can capture and may in truth be more related to physics or metaphysics than the moral stories told in scripture.

Hmmm, the "fems" (flaws, errors, muck and stench) of religion are running wild this morning. A synopsis is noted below for Mr. Obama and The Convert's perusal:

1. Abraham founder/father of three major religions was either the embellishment of the lives of three different men or a mythical character as was Moses, the "Tablet-Man" who talked to burning bushes and made much magic in Egypt.

Many of the 1.5 million Conservative Jews and many of their rabbis have relegated Abraham to the myth pile along with most if not all the OT.

The muck and stench in Judaism you ask?

Belief that that the Jews are god's chosen people and its resulting consequences.
simpletoremember.com/vitals/ConservativeTorah.htm

2. Jesus was an illiterate Jewish peasant/carpenter/simple preacher man who suffered from hallucinations and who has been characterized anywhere from the Messiah from Nazareth to a mythical character from mythical Nazareth to a mamzer from Nazareth (Professor Bruce Chilton, in his book Rabbi Jesus). Analyses of Jesus’ life by many contemporary NT scholars (e.g. Professors Crossan, Borg and Fredriksen, On Faith panelists) via the NT and related documents have concluded that only about 30% of Jesus' sayings and ways noted in the NT were authentic. The rest being embellishments (e.g. miracles)/hallucinations made/had by the NT authors to impress various Christian, Jewish and Pagan sects.

The 30% of the NT that is "authentic Jesus" like everything in life was borrowed/plagiarized and/or improved from those who came before. In Jesus' case, it was the ways and sayings of the Babylonians, Greeks, Persians, Egyptians, Hittites, Canaanites, OT, John the Baptizer and possibly the ways and sayings of traveling Greek Cynics. earlychristianwritings.com/theories.html

For added "pizzazz", Catholic/Christian theologians divided god the singularity into three persons and invented atonement as an added guilt trip for the "pew people" to go along with this trinity of overseers. By doing so, they made god the padre into god the "filicider".

The muck and stench of Catholicism you ask?

Pedophiliac priests, atonement theology and original sin!!!!

3. Luther, Calvin, Smith, Henry VIII, Wesley et al, founders of Christian-based religions, also suffered from the belief in/hallucinations of "pretty wingie thingie" visits and "prophecies" for profits analogous to the myths of Catholicism (resurrections, apparitions, ascensions and immaculate conceptions).

The muck and stench of non-Catholic Christian churches you ask?

Adulterous preachers, "propheteering/ profiteering" evangelicals and atonement theology. .

4. Mohammed was an illiterate, womanizing, lust and greed-driven, warmongering, hallucinating Arab, who also had embellishing/hallucinating/ plagiarizing scribal biographers who not only added "angels" and flying chariots to the koran but also a militaristic agenda to support the plundering and looting of the lands of non-believers.

This agenda continues as shown by the assassination of Bhutto, the conduct of the seven Muslim doctors in the UK, the 9/11 terrorists, the 24/7 Sunni suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the 24/7 Shiite suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the Islamic bombers of the trains in the UK and Spain, the Bali crazies, the Kenya crazies, the Pakistani “koranics”, the Palestine suicide bombers/rocketeers, the Lebanese nutcases, the Taliban nut jobs, and the Filipino “koranics”.

And who funds this muck and stench of terror? The warmongering, Islamic, Shiite terror and torture theocracy of Iran aka the Third Axis of Evil and also the Sunni "Wannabees" of Saudi Arabia.

The muck and stench of Islam you ask?

The Sunni-Shiite blood feud and the warmongering , womanizing (11 wives), hallucinating founder.

5. Hinduism (from an online Hindu site) -

"Hinduism cannot be described as an organized religion. It is not founded by any individual. Hinduism is God centered and therefore one can call Hinduism as founded by God, because the answer to the question ‘Who is behind the eternal principles and who makes them work?’ will have to be ‘Cosmic power, Divine power, God’."

The caste/laborer system and cow worship/reverence are problems when saying a fair and rational God founded Hinduism."

The muck and stench of Hinduism you ask?

The caste system and cow worship/reverence.

6. Buddhism- "Buddhism began in India about 500 years before the birth of Christ. The people living at that time had become disillusioned with certain beliefs of Hinduism including the caste system, which had grown extremely complex. The number of outcasts (those who did not belong to any particular caste) was continuing to grow."
"However, in Buddhism, like so many other religions, fanciful stories arose concerning events in the life of the founder, Siddhartha Gautama (fifth century B.C.):"

Archaeological discoveries have proved, beyond a doubt, his historical character, but apart from the legends we know very little about the circumstances of his life. e.g. Buddha by one legend was supposedly talking when he came out of his mother's womb.

Bottom line: There are many good ways of living but be aware of the hallucinations, embellishments, lies, muck, stench and myths surrounding the founders and foundations of said rules of life.

Goldie - p;ease be aware that there are Muslims and many good people of various faiths that oppose violence too.

Here is my post from another section that may explain that compassion permeates many ideologies.

convert's opinion:
In some ways, I am like Victoria but I am not willing to protect dishonest, mythmaking or deceitful things that I have seen going on in various mosques.

My attraction to Islam arose from 2 notions that seem meaningful and rational to me. First in reading the Nag Hammadi Gnostic Christian scriptures, I found much to convince me that Jesus did NOT promote 'the son of God" notion and this is a fallacy that the Christian world accepted without serious investigation.

As Islam defines Prophets as 'inspired people' and not Gods, I found this notion more reasonable to accept.

Secondly from a spiritual perspective, I wanted to experience 'sacredness' in every moment of life, not just on Sundays and this is something Islam offers.

When I read the Qur'an, I placed war-oriented scripture in it's historical context as one does when reading the Bible and thus did not focus on it. There is much in both scriptures promoting compassion and this resonated with me.

Now - to address current issue. I admit that when I became exposed to the kind of Islam promoted by ISNA, CAIR, MSA, MAS and other Brotherhood based groups, I was APPALLED. They advocate deception and lying not only to people of other faith about who they are and what they believe but they even lie to fellow Muslims. I am disgusted to hear their mythmaking and lack of honesty. Admittedly they have forsaken all nobility and integrity.

I feel it is the responsibility of Muslims who are honest about their religion and not ashamed to say the truth weather pleasant or not who must help Islam gain respect from the world's citizens again. We must be partners in progress and cooperation. The violent Muslim response to the cartoon affair is disgusting. We Muslims must accept criticism without going berserk. We simply need to elevate the art of debate and promote reasoned responses.

June 9, 2008 9:45 AM

Yeah, Paganplace has it right.

For Catholics outside of North America, "belonging" to a parish is a completely unknown concept. You go to the parish in your village or neighborhood, or someplace convenient to your routine.

For us it grew up in America because multiple parishes existed within proximity to each other for the first time, for those ornery ethnics who didn't want to worship across national lines - Irish at St. Patrick's, Poles at St. Stanislaw's, etc.

My understanding of Protestants and Evangelicals is that "joining" or "registering" is very much like for Catholics - primarily in order to keep in touch with parish goings-on, and of course, to be able to ask for money.

For my part, for instance, I am registered at St. Martin of Tours, Gaithersburg, Maryland, where I grew up. I live 11 miles away and pass by 3-4 parishes to get there for Mass each morning, and another on my way from there to work. That's not to mention that there is a parish about 4 blocks from my office, and another about 4 blocks from my house. And I freely stop in at any of those (2 or 3 in particular) if the morning or Sunday Mass schedule is more convenient on a particular day (i.e., if I oversleep, lol). Additionally, some of those have different services available at different times, somewhat coordinated with each other so as not to overlap too much: the priests at my parish conveniently hear confessions a few times each day; another parish has 24-hour Eucharistic Adoration available in a side chapel; etc.

They cooperate rather than compete.

In my humble opinion, there is only one way to salvation thru Jesus Christ who said, I am the way, the truth and the life, all others in my humble opinion are phony. Any outfit that uses violence to get followers as Muslims, catholics, remember the crusades, or will lyou admit to it.

I was raised a Protestant Christian and in late 90's converted to Islam.

Daisy is expressing a misperception that many have. Actually church membership and mosque membership are very similar.

Growing up very curious about who God is, I visited many churches, synagogues, Buddhist gatherings Hindu, Bahai and Muslim gatherings. I was never made to feel unwelcome at any church I visited growing up. Protestants when traveling will visit any Protestant church for services - the same with Catholics. Also when I became a Muslim, I was expected to pay yearly dues to my Mosque and support it financially in a myriad of ways - same as done in most churches. Although there were other Mosques/Masjids in town, I was not always made to feel welcome, as some Masjids want only like-minded Muslims to attend their Masjid.
A pluralistically oriented Muslims is not made to feel very welcome at a Wahhabi Mosque or a Mosque where people share a cultural identity, like Arab or Pakistani people exclusively.

I haven't found Daisy's assessment relevant to my experience at all.

I suspect such differences are related to regional area and there is a great variety.
I have moved away from my home Mosque so can no longer attend regularly, but it is still my home Mosque, just as a Christian has a home church but may visit other churches and feel quite comfortable at them.

Daisy says:
“the mosque functioning as a community center and house of prayer.”
Maybe that was the original purpose, but now it is where terrorists are reared. Every member of the infamous 19 belonged to some mosque in Europe or the United States. In Muslim countries that allow churches they have some representative of the government to be an overseer. His duty is mainly to monitor any evangelistic activities, especially among the Muslims. Why don’t the rest of the world monitor the mosques for terrorist preaching and planning? Watch the mosque whose link is below to see what kind of community activity is taking place there and what kind of prayer they are praying.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlV-6-FihFg

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"I never knew churches can be quite exclusive with regard to its membership unlike mosques which are considered as open houses and centres for every Muslim regardless of personal belief or where he came from. Buddhism and Hinduism in Asia have similar concepts on their temples too."

Well, J certainly Catholics and many other Christians have similar ideas about their churches, at least... in some ways this perception you've mentioned may be somewhat exaggerated, as those who wish to cast suspicion on Obama by association want to make that association seem as 'official' as possible. He was certainly quite active in that church's charitable doings, at least, for a while, is my understanding.

Maybe someone who knows more about how more-independent churches operate can clarify, ...I never thought to ask, but my impression is that those which don't happen to have huge endowments from big mainline churches have to raise membership money in order to, in some cases, keep their doors open. I don't expect many Christian churches actually have any sort of pay-to-pray modality or exclusivity...at least outside their sect.

One thing you can say is they seem to want people to come in. :)

Read Jihadist's post

"Yes, a mosque is a house of prayer and a community center. One do freely goes around to other other mosques for prayers and for specific activities. One also stops at mosques for rest and repast during journeys where there are no rest stops, no hotels etc."

Then watch Undercover Mosque on youtube-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peFQWuk4nuo

"Jist, Jist, Jist"?

More like-

"Twist, Twist, Twist"

Historical commentaries revisited for the benefit of Mr. and Mrs. Obama:

Jist, Jist, Jist, (formerly The Jihadist),

Well let us see how your road to Reality is proceeding via gleaning your commentaries about atheists and anti-theists.

The previous request and questions:

"The echoes of your mind still need a bit of sound adjustment as to what you hold true:

1. the existence of "pretty and ugly flying thingies" (a required tenet of Islam)???

-still no response- tough one -what do you teach your children about these "thingies"??

2. the koran being based on the hallucinations of one long dead Arab????

-still no response- another tough one since the if you agree there would be no foundation for Islam

3. the correct side of the Sunni-Shiite 800 year old blood feud???

It appears you take no sides although you are a Sunni and have the upper Islamic economic hammer in most Islamic countries.

4. theocracies, good or bad???

-You apparently dislike theocracies but you live in Malaysia which is fast becoming a theocracy. Have you sent letters of complaint to your government officials and clerics??

5. the sins of being Islamic??? (false "profits", greed, anger, lust, polygamy, warmongering, suicide)??

- I guess if you cannot see the problems of Islam, there is no sin but the koran's passages ooze of said sins.

6. Islamic scribes plagiarizing the codes, passages and ways of the ancients even the anti-female passages of "Prude Paul"?????

- Again, you still adhere to the "Islam is perfect" mantra so this is a problem for you to grasp. Some courses in ancient history should help you come to grips with Reality.

Ohhh...not even a distinguishing handle like "Muslim Critic" or "Catching Muslims with their Pants Down"! Only as a generic "Anynomous" and one don't even know which "Anonymous" that littered On Faith. How dastardly for "one who is doing one's utmost to realise a goal -"

Let's have fun.

Oh yes, Muslims are such a closed society, one never hears of the absurb things going on in the Muslim world and reported by the Muslim media themselves and picked up by the international media. Including all those stuff on YouTube.

Pat Robertson and Pastor Wright can argue all they want on their mindset, which they retain. Muslims have no tolerance for hypocrites who "apologise" for public relations exercise and expediency and have high hyprocrite radar.

You : Muslims do NOT accept criticism- They duck and evade when caught with their pants down.

* Ah, it's that line again! Muslims can't accept "criticisms! Very "original". Know enough to criticise effectively and be taken seriously?

* All we have been reading on are western politicians caught with "their pants down" with mistresses or prostitutes and have a media conference pretending to be repentent.

You : They (Muslims) never acknowledge the truth. Your posts are an excellent example of this..

* Pray, what is the "Truth"? Your version of "Truth" and/or "Truths"?

* Pray, don't so wounded if a Muslim don't accept your version or versions of "Truth/s". Whatever gives you the notion that even Americans will accept one political or religious "truth", much less Muslims. And that is the simple truth.

Cheers
"J"

Strange that the Reality Challenged and Obfuscationg Jihadist has quickly come to grips with the "fems" (flaws, errors, muck and stench) of Christianity but still cannot come to grips with the "fems" of Islam. Strange, very strange!!!

"No one is safe until the koran is deflawed and mosques are "febrezed!!!!!! "

One who is doing one’s utmost to realize a goal-

The west is an open society. Pat Robertson and Pastor Wright know they are being taped and (for better or worse) act accordingly. They expect discussion and (in some cases) correction. They argue their mindset, defending or apologising.

Muslims do NOT accept criticism- They duck and evade when caught with their pants down. They never acknowledge the truth. Your posts are an excellent example of this..

Of course, of course, of course!

My bad. Hatred and divisiveness is only particular and specific to Muslims.

Pat Robertson and Pastor Wright are really closeted Muslims and their churches are really taqqiyah mosques.

Cheers.

We know what happens when mosques begin to "suffer from the inevitable scrutiny"--

Police sorry over UNDERCOVER MOSQUE

West Midlands Police and the Crown Prosecution Service apologise to makers of a Channel 4 documentary after claiming it was misleading.

The Dispatches programme Undercover Mosque showed secret filming of extremist preaching in the West Midlands.

In the High Court this morning the police accepted they had been wrong to accuse the programme makers of editing the programme in a way likely to cause racial hatred.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWFsqRhtlj4

The Reality Challenged and Obfuscating Jihadist must be kidding!!! Mosques as buildings of rest and peace???

These places are the breeding grounds for terrorists and the hotbeds of hate for Sunnis or Shiites depending on which one of these Islamic cults a Muslim belongs to.

"No one is safe until the koran is deflawed and mosques are "febrezed!!!!!! "

Hello Daisy Khan,

Yes, this “leaving” church can be perplexing in that it is regarded as somewhat significant or momentous.

Yes, a mosque is a house of prayer and a community center. One do freely goes around to other other mosques for prayers and for specific activities. One also stops at mosques for rest and repast during journeys where there are no rest stops, no hotels etc.

I never knew churches can be quite exclusive with regard to its membership unlike mosques which are considered as open houses and centres for every Muslim regardless of personal belief or where he came from. Buddhism and Hinduism in Asia have similar concepts on their temples too.

Best regards
"J"

1. Abraham founder/father of three major religions was either the embellishment of the lives of three different men or a mythical character as was Moses, the "Tablet-Man" who talked to burning bushes and made much magic in Egypt.

Many of the 1.5 million Conservative Jews and many of their rabbis have relegated Abraham to the myth pile along with most if not all the OT.

The muck and stench in Judaism you ask?

Belief that that the Jews are god's chosen people and its resulting consequences.
simpletoremember.com/vitals/ConservativeTorah.htm

2. Jesus was an illiterate Jewish peasant/carpenter/simple preacher man who suffered from hallucinations and who has been characterized anywhere from the Messiah from Nazareth to a mythical character from mythical Nazareth to a mamzer from Nazareth (Professor Bruce Chilton, in his book Rabbi Jesus). Analyses of Jesus’ life by many contemporary NT scholars (e.g. Professors Crossan, Borg and Fredriksen, On Faith panelists) via the NT and related documents have concluded that only about 30% of Jesus' sayings and ways noted in the NT were authentic. The rest being embellishments (e.g. miracles)/hallucinations made/had by the NT authors to impress various Christian, Jewish and Pagan sects.

The 30% of the NT that is "authentic Jesus" like everything in life was borrowed/plagiarized and/or improved from those who came before. In Jesus' case, it was the ways and sayings of the Babylonians, Greeks, Persians, Egyptians, Hittites, Canaanites, OT, John the Baptizer and possibly the ways and sayings of traveling Greek Cynics. earlychristianwritings.com/theories.html

For added "pizzazz", Catholic/Christian theologians divided god the singularity into three persons and invented atonement as an added guilt trip for the "pew people" to go along with this trinity of overseers. By doing so, they made god the padre into god the "filicider".

The muck and stench of Catholicism you ask?

Pedophiliac priests, atonement theology and original sin!!!!

3. Luther, Calvin, Smith, Henry VIII, Wesley et al, founders of Christian-based religions, also suffered from the belief in/hallucinations of "pretty wingie thingie" visits and "prophecies" for profits analogous to the myths of Catholicism (resurrections, apparitions, ascensions and immaculate conceptions).

The muck and stench of non-Catholic Christian churches you ask?

Adulterous preachers, "propheteering/ profiteering" evangelicals and atonement theology. .

4. Mohammed was an illiterate, womanizing, lust and greed-driven, warmongering, hallucinating Arab, who also had embellishing/hallucinating/ plagiarizing scribal biographers who not only added "angels" and flying chariots to the koran but also a militaristic agenda to support the plundering and looting of the lands of non-believers.

This agenda continues as shown by the assassination of Bhutto, the conduct of the seven Muslim doctors in the UK, the 9/11 terrorists, the 24/7 Sunni suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the 24/7 Shiite suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the Islamic bombers of the trains in the UK and Spain, the Bali crazies, the Kenya crazies, the Pakistani “koranics”, the Palestine suicide bombers/rocketeers, the Lebanese nutcases, the Taliban nut jobs, and the Filipino “koranics”.

And who funds this muck and stench of terror? The warmongering, Islamic, Shiite terror and torture theocracy of Iran aka the Third Axis of Evil and also the Sunni "Wannabees" of Saudi Arabia.

The muck and stench of Islam you ask?

The Sunni-Shiite blood feud and the warmongering , womanizing (11 wives), hallucinating founder.

5. Hinduism (from an online Hindu site) - "Hinduism cannot be described as an organized religion. It is not founded by any individual. Hinduism is God centered and therefore one can call Hinduism as founded by God, because the answer to the question ‘Who is behind the eternal principles and who makes them work?’ will have to be ‘Cosmic power, Divine power, God’."

The caste/laborer system and cow worship/reverence are problems when saying a fair and rational God founded Hinduism."

The muck and stench of Hinduism you ask?

The caste system and cow worship/reverence.

6. Buddhism- "Buddhism began in India about 500 years before the birth of Christ. The people living at that time had become disillusioned with certain beliefs of Hinduism including the caste system, which had grown extremely complex. The number of outcasts (those who did not belong to any particular caste) was continuing to grow."
"However, in Buddhism, like so many other religions, fanciful stories arose concerning events in the life of the founder, Siddhartha Gautama (fifth century B.C.):"

Archaeological discoveries have proved, beyond a doubt, his historical character, but apart from the legends we know very little about the circumstances of his life. e.g. Buddha by one legend was supposedly talking when he came out of his mother's womb.

Bottom line: There are many good ways of living but be aware of the hallucinations, embellishments, lies, muck, stench and myths surrounding the founders and foundations of said rules of life.