No Love for The Love Guru

Yes - some "calm yet righteous indignation" would be very helpful to the Muslim world right now - over an above - am I allowed to say it -- violent Jihad!

To assume that westerners don't respect the Hindu Guru is also a sweeping and disparaging statement - of which I took offence - one of the most popular books read is the 'Autobiography of a Yogi' - from here many feel that they take a different view of world religion - perhaps some Muslims might find it useful to read.

I am sure Mike Myers - meant no harm - but as your aim is the implementation of an Islamic state and rule the world over - it would not be long before you shoved your Hindu brothers and sisters out of the way - in order to soak up the religious lime light.

Hindus are not the 'People of the Book' - shouldn't you ask them for the jizya?

My advice to Muslims - be human first and somewhere after be Muslim.

well yes there are screenings- but so far none of the panelists have claimed that they have actually attneded one-
particularly rajan zed who started this whole question with his boycott-

he actually petitioned for a pre-view but was denied-
so far, ive scanned these threads and still haven't found anyone who claims to have actually seen the movie- (except deepak chopra)
and he only had positive things to say-

so, i repeat-
how can anyone have an opinion of a movie that they haven't seen?

Anonymous:

JJ, "Att: "Soja John Thaikattil, Sydney, Australia;

'You Are So Beautifull To Us..." Can't Ye See!'

Gee, "i" should/ve been spit-on, rocked-on, urinated-on etc..,
Hay "AUSi" Relax Momma!! We Love a Yo Anyho!

Teeeeeekkkkkkkayeeee!

HALLALUYA! PTHNM!

Don't you get it, your pushing people away that care, end of story.

June 23, 2008 8:48 PM

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Oh JJ, I had no idea that I was pushing away people who care! I'm so pleased that I'm beautiful in the eyes of all your aliens too. Why don't you write such short and legible comments to everyone always? You could do some caring of other bloggers you know. Do give everyone a chance to be delighted with your posts, not just me. What do you say?

News Flash!!!

Malaysian city bans lipstick and high heels for Reality Challenged and Obfuscating Muslim women. Muslim men in the same city are still allowed to wear these sex attractants.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/06/24/malaysia.lipstick.ban/index.html

"ICTORIA:

for once i agree with halozcel-

this movie hasnt even come out yet- how can one have an opinion about something they havent read or seen?"

It's called a 'screening.' Certain members of the press, like reviewers and pundits, (not to mention a few folks who get tickets) get to see some stuff ahead of time so they can talk about it.

How do you think movie reviewers do it?

I dunno if Dr. Chopra claimed to have seen one, but they happen.

JJ, "Att: "Soja John Thaikattil, Sydney, Australia;

'You Are So Beautifull To Us..." Can't Ye See!'

Gee, "i" should/ve been spit-on, rocked-on, urinated-on etc..,
Hay "AUSi" Relax Momma!! We Love a Yo Anyho!

Teeeeeekkkkkkkayeeee!

HALLALUYA! PTHNM!

Don't you get it, your pushing people away that care, end of story.

Sobia: "Hindu brothers and sisters? Is that a joke?"

Broaden your horizon and you will understand Daisy's point here.

Daisy – I reject reducing this tradition to a simple caricature.

I stand with many of my Hindu brothers and sisters. I will not watch this movie.

Good for you Daisy! I agree.

Who in you is acting with calm yet righteous indignation?

What part of your "self" is upset by this movie.

I would say it is not the divine part of your inner nature, I think that part of us is above the fray.

That leaves the ego.

Rumi has said that beyond right and wrong, good and evil is a field, and we should meet there.
That is the field of true calm. The spirit.

Seek that dimension of your being and it will harmonize all differences.
This movie is not the problem, our own individual lack of integration is the root issue. And the only one we have any control over.

I think this column reminds us all of a universal invitation to transmute our own nature's so meaningless movies and other unfavorable messages or reviews in general don't disturb our own inner peace of mind (the greatest treasure of all).

We all know the only one we can change is ourself.

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Hindu brothers and sisters? Is that a joke?

A very negative review from The New York Times

http://movies.nytimes.com/2008/06/20/movies/20guru.html?8dpc

From the reviews of the movie it seems that it is rotten and the story is about a wannabe guru competing with Dr Deepak Chopra!

My profound apologies to Dr Deepak Chopra for not being able to get a real idea of the movie after browsing the website. It took it that insulting Dr Deepak Chopra as a means of paying him indirect tribute in a comedy!

http://blogs.wsj.com/buzzwatch/2008/06/20/buzz-links-what-the-love-guru-reviews-are-saying/?mod=googlenews_wsj

The Jihadist is really a "he" and he lives in Brooklyn. He owns a barbecue pork rib, BYB diner but he is really a Saudi/Sunni operative who sells via the internet English translations of the Sunni version of the koran, Gabriel-gabby dolls, flying toy camels, toy winged chariots and books promoting polygamy from his diner's backroom. See www.gabbydollsetc.com

Homeland Security is secretly intercepting said products and adding the following insert before resending to the buyers:

"Mohammed was an illiterate, womanizing (11 wives), lust and greed-driven, warmongering, hallucinating Arab, who also had embellishing/hallucinating/ plagiarizing scribal biographers who not only added "angels" and flying chariots to the koran but also a militaristic agenda to support the plundering and looting of the lands of non-believers. (Karen Armstrong's books, Ms. Armstrong is an On Faith Panelist, the Encyclopedia Britannica and wikipedia.com)

This agenda continues as shown by the assassination of Bhutto, the conduct of the seven Muslim doctors in the UK, the 9/11 terrorists, the 24/7 Sunni suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the 24/7 Shiite suicide/roadside/market/ mosque bombers, the Islamic bombers of the trains in the UK and Spain, the Bali crazies, the Kenya crazies, the Pakistani “koranics”, the Palestine suicide bombers/rocketeers, the Lebanese nutcases, the Taliban nut jobs, and the Filipino “koranics”. (cnn.com)

And who funds this terror? The warmongering, Islamic, Shiite terror and torture theocracy of Iran aka the Third Axis of Evil and also the Sunni "Wannabees" of Saudi Arabia. (cnn.com)"

Soja John Thaikattil, Sydney, Australia:

Re Movie Love Guru on further exploration of the movie website:

I get the impression that the movie is not about a Hindu guru or Hinduism at all, but indirectly about Dr Deepak Chopra and his collected wisdom from different relious/non-religious sources being portrayed as fictional comedy! TM is introduced in the movie guru's teachings at a subliminal level. Dr Deepak Chopra seems to have lent his voice to Guru Pikta!

For more visit

http://www.thegurupitka.com/

Mike : "As a Christian, I see mockery of Christ constantly. But that's kind of part of the whole thing.

I say bring it on. If our beliefs can't handle criticism in all forms, then they're too weak to hold with any seriousness."

Bring it on?

It seems only westerners (Christians and non-Christians) who are making an industry of "mocking" Christianity and other beliefs and believers. I don't see Buddhists, Hindus and Muslims making a habit of "mocking" Christians and Christianity.

Do you really want Buddhists, Hindus and Muslims to really "bring it on?".

Bring it on? Now, what would the reactions be of some Christians if Muslims were to make parodies or satires on the deliberations of the Councils of Nicea?

Mr. Deepak Chopra wrote something on Jesus PBUH and the reactions of many Christians is most interesting, telling him to this and that as he is after all Indian and non-Christian.

I don't know about adherents of other faiths, but like most Muslims, I don't really go for ridiculing or mocking other faiths and other believers. We have enough fun making jokes about our own governments and some of our ulema's fatwas.

But, if you must, knock your socks off to bring on the challenge with "bring it on" to "bring it out". As for the reactions, well, if you dish out something, or throw something as humour or satires or parodies, don't expect no reactions, or to complain about reactions.

Freedom to say and do, freedom to react to what is said and done. We all have to deal with this, no? In our own ways.

Cheers

"J"

for once i agree with halozcel-

this movie hasnt even come out yet- how can one have an opinion about something they havent read or seen?

and after visiting the website- it seems to be a mocking satire of the gullibility of americans and their willingness to be led by any who have a claim to spirituality than any derision of hindus as a faith-

i like meyers- he lampoons my own society- there are loads of obscure references to things only those raised in america will get-

i think he's funny- i have a very low threshold and am very forgiving when it comes to humor-
im very very easily amused-

i also liked dogma and the hebrew hammer and life of brian- i also liked a french movie called rabbi mordechai something-

humor doesnt have to be important, and if its reverent- chances are its not really funny-

*I will not watch this movie*

Well,how can you appreciate,evaluate any movie which you dont watch ?

You will not watch,but you will do comment about the movie.

Regards.

"As Muslims, we deal with this perhaps more than other faith communities."

Uh...let's see. Christ on the cross suspended in a bucket urine vs. a political cartoon of Muhammad with a bomb.

I think as Muslims, you don't deal with more. You're just alot pickier and in many countries it's legal to just kill the critics. That kind of skews the sensitivity levels.

As a Christian, I see mockery of Christ constantly. But that's kind of part of the whole thing.

I say bring it on. If our beliefs can't handle criticism in all forms, then they're too weak to hold with any seriousness.

Hmmm, time for that famous synopsis of the flaws and errors of contemporary religions. Said synopsis reduces these religions to include Hinduism to the laughable relics that they are. I believe Mike Myers has sequels in the works lampooning Christianity and then Islam in these future movies.

It is our understanding that the Reality Challenged and Obfuscating Jihadist and Daisy Khan will appear in the Islamic sequel sitting in a cabaret eating pork ribs with Jack Daniel chasers and finishing with a cigar. Should be hilarious!!!!

The Said Flaws and Errors:

1. Abraham founder/father of three major religions was either the embellishment of the lives of three different men or a mythical character as was Moses, the "Tablet-Man" who talked to burning bushes and made much magic in Egypt.

Many of the 1.5 million Conservative Jews and many of their rabbis have relegated Abraham to the myth pile along with most if not all the OT.

simpletoremember.com/vitals/ConservativeTorah.htm

2. Jesus was an illiterate Jewish peasant/carpenter/simple preacher man who suffered from hallucinations and who has been characterized anywhere from the Messiah from Nazareth to a mythical character from mythical Nazareth to a mamzer from Nazareth (Professor Bruce Chilton, in his book Rabbi Jesus). Analyses of Jesus’ life by many contemporary NT scholars (e.g. Professors Crossan, Borg and Fredriksen, On Faith panelists, amazon.com) via the NT and related documents have concluded that only about 30% of Jesus' sayings and ways noted in the NT were authentic. The rest being embellishments (e.g. miracles)/hallucinations made/had by the NT authors to impress various Christian, Jewish and Pagan sects.

The 30% of the NT that is "authentic Jesus" like everything in life was borrowed/plagiarized and/or improved from those who came before. In Jesus' case, it was the ways and sayings of the Babylonians, Greeks, Persians, Egyptians, Hittites, Canaanites, OT, John the Baptizer and possibly the ways and sayings of traveling Greek Cynics. earlychristianwritings.com/theories.html

For added "pizzazz", Catholic/Christian theologians divided god the singularity into three persons and invented atonement as an added guilt trip for the "pew people" to go along with this trinity of overseers. By doing so, they made god the padre into god the "filicider". (See Professor JD Crossan's book Who is Jesus)

3. Luther, Calvin, Smith, Henry VIII, Wesley et al, founders of Christian-based religions, also suffered from the belief in/hallucinations of "pretty wingie thingie" visits and "prophecies" for profits analogous to the myths of Catholicism (resurrections, apparitions, ascensions and immaculate conceptions). (wikipedia.com, and graduate theology studies at many large Catholic universities)

4. Mohammed was an illiterate, womanizing, lust and greed-driven, warmongering, hallucinating Arab, who also had embellishing/hallucinating/ plagiarizing scribal biographers who not only added "angels" and flying chariots to the koran but also a militaristic agenda to support the plundering and looting of the lands of non-believers. (Karen Armstrong's books, Ms. Armstrong is an On Faith Panelist, the Encyclopedia Britannica and wikipedia.com)

This agenda continues as shown by the assassination of Bhutto, the conduct of the seven Muslim doctors in the UK, the 9/11 terrorists, the 24/7 Sunni suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the 24/7 Shiite suicide/roadside/market/ mosque bombers, the Islamic bombers of the trains in the UK and Spain, the Bali crazies, the Kenya crazies, the Pakistani “koranics”, the Palestine suicide bombers/rocketeers, the Lebanese nutcases, the Taliban nut jobs, and the Filipino “koranics”. (cnn.com)

And who funds this terror? The warmongering, Islamic, Shiite terror and torture theocracy of Iran aka the Third Axis of Evil and also the Sunni "Wannabees" of Saudi Arabia. (cnn.com)

5. Hinduism (from an online Hindu site) - "Hinduism cannot be described as an organized religion. It is not founded by any individual. Hinduism is God centered and therefore one can call Hinduism as founded by God, because the answer to the question ‘Who is behind the eternal principles and who makes them work?’ will have to be ‘Cosmic power, Divine power, God’."

The caste/laborer system and cow worship/reverence are problems when saying a fair and rational God founded Hinduism." (Encyclopedia Britainnica)

6. Buddhism- "Buddhism began in India about 500 years before the birth of Christ. The people living at that time had become disillusioned with certain beliefs of Hinduism including the caste system, which had grown extremely complex. The number of outcasts (those who did not belong to any particular caste) was continuing to grow."
"However, in Buddhism, like so many other religions, fanciful stories arose concerning events in the life of the founder, Siddhartha Gautama (fifth century B.C.):" (wsu.edu/~dee/BUDDHISM/SIDD.HTM)

Archaeological discoveries have proved, beyond a doubt, his historical character, but apart from the legends we know very little about the circumstances of his life. e.g. Buddha by one legend was supposedly talking when he came out of his mother's womb.

Bottom line: There are many good ways of living but be aware of the hallucinations, embellishments, lies, and myths surrounding the founders and foundations of said rules of life.

Ms. Daisy Miller : However, as a Muslim who grew up in a Hindu society and personally experienced the intricacies and complexities of the Hinduism tradition – its profound spirituality, awareness of the Divine, and colorful expressions of faith in daily life – I reject reducing this tradition to a simple caricature.

I agree with you. Better to buy or rent and see that movie "Dr. Strangelove" again for a look at brilliant movie satire, not shallow humour as in those Mike Myers "Goldmember" series or the "Love Guru".

No accounting for taste and preference in humour?

Thank you and best regards

"J"