Sally Quinn's Communion: Good Intentions, Poor Judgment

Palamas, Palamas, Palamas,

Some famous/infamous hallucinators:

Adam and Eve, they talked to snakes and lived in a magical garden.

Jesus, he talked to Satan, "an ugly, wingie, fictional thingie". Or did he? The temptations of Jesus as analyzed by many contemporary NT exegetes appears to be another embellishment of the life of this simple preacher man.

Mohammed, Joseph and Mary- All three talked to the "pretty, wingie, fictional thingie" called Gabriel.

And then there was Jospeph Smith who talked to the golden horn blower aka "pretty, fictional, thingie called Moroni.

CCNL: So everyone but you and those who think the way you do are hallucinating?

Thanks for proving my point.

Palamas, Palamas, Palamus,

Hmmm, channeling Jerry Falwell??

Would Jerry Fallwell ever note the following:

The flaws and errors of Judaism and Christianity- A synopsis:

The "fems" of the major religions:

1. Abraham founder/father of three major religions was either the embellishment of the lives of three different men or a mythical character as was Moses, the "Tablet-Man" who talked to burning bushes and made much magic in Egypt.

Many of the 1.5 million Conservative Jews and many of their rabbis have relegated Abraham to the myth pile along with most if not all the OT.

simpletoremember.com/vitals/ConservativeTorah.htm

2. Jesus was an illiterate Jewish peasant/carpenter/simple preacher man who suffered from hallucinations and who has been characterized anywhere from the Messiah from Nazareth to a mythical character from mythical Nazareth to a mamzer from Nazareth (Professor Bruce Chilton, in his book Rabbi Jesus). Analyses of Jesus’ life by many contemporary NT scholars (e.g. Professors Crossan, Borg and Fredriksen, On Faith panelists) via the NT and related documents have concluded that only about 30% of Jesus' sayings and ways noted in the NT were authentic. The rest being embellishments (e.g. miracles)/hallucinations made/had by the NT authors to impress various Christian, Jewish and Pagan sects.

The 30% of the NT that is "authentic Jesus" like everything in life was borrowed/plagiarized and/or improved from those who came before. In Jesus' case, it was the ways and sayings of the Babylonians, Greeks, Persians, Egyptians, Hittites, Canaanites, OT, John the Baptizer and possibly the ways and sayings of traveling Greek Cynics. earlychristianwritings.com/theories.html

For added "pizzazz", Catholic/Christian theologians divided god the singularity into three persons and invented atonement as an added guilt trip for the "pew people" to go along with this trinity of overseers. By doing so, they made god the padre into god the "filicider".

The current crises:

Pedophiliac priests, atonement theology and original sin!!!!

3. Luther, Calvin, Smith, Henry VIII, Wesley et al, founders of Christian-based religions, also suffered from the belief in/hallucinations of "pretty wingie thingie" visits and "prophecies" for profits analogous to the myths of Catholicism (resurrections, apparitions, ascensions and immaculate conceptions).

The current crises:

Adulterous preachers, "propheteering/ profiteering" evangelicals (like Jerry Falwell) and atonement theology.

That last sentence should read, "one of the most intolerant fundamentalists I've ever read."

And to Ms. Khan: Thank you very much for your insight. I think you nailed it.

CCNL: You're not channeling Jerry Falwell by any chance, are you? From your comments on this and other threads, you come across as one of the most intolerant fundamentalists I've ever come read.

Moronis, Gabriels, magic underwear, golden/stone tablets, talking snakes, prophets i.e. forturne tellers, global floods, black stones, scapulars, rosaries, indulgences, bloody wafers and wine, business cults fronting as religions, etc. have no place in modern society.

Dear Daisy Khan is right.

Yes,Good Intention,and unfortunately Poor Judgment.

Well said, Daisy.

Khan skilfully points out what religious people struggle with, and non-believers insist can be elided: that some beliefs and the rituals that honor or manifest them are incommensurable with others; that touristic PUBLIC practice of others' deeply held beliefs as a means of gratifying oneself is disrespectful.

Thoughtful believers see the inaccuracies, errors, paradoxes and inconsistencies in their faith and practice, and they struggle with it. But religious tourists behave as though their own sensation is the central value of ther exploration - Quinn could have takend Communion, felt close to her mourned friend, and been sufficiently respectful of those who might be offended to keep it to herself. Instead, she exploits it in her column - without even bothering to check out the theology or Church canons before she speaks.

Thank you, Ms. Khan.

If a someone who does not believe in transubstantiation, but still willingly accepts holy communion, show the miracle of faith.

I read somewhere sometime ago;

and God said
"For this is my house, and all are welcome".

The saint, the sinner, the faithfull, the faithless, the tyrant, the noble were all equal before him, as they choose to enter his abode & he grants them his grace whoever it may be.

Finally, it takes a non-Catholic to see where Quinn crossed the line. Some rituals are not just about your own ego and how you hope it will make you feel. Say what you like about Muslims, they understand the idea of putting God's will ahead of your ego.

Daisy, Daisy, Daisy,

I see you missed taking the survey/poll about Islam. When you find some time:

Do you believe:

1. In "pretty/ugly wingie" thingies?

2. That the long-dead Arab did actually talk to the "pretty Gabriel" in the "Gabe" cave and therein received the warmongering and anti-female words now listed in the koran?

3. That Sunnis are superior to Shiites in all aspects of life?

4. That Islam is perfect and the koran inherently condones no sin even though the 24/7 800 year-old feud between Sunnis and Shiites give significant credence that suicides, assassinations, maiming, and murder are condoned by the koran?

5. That having multiple wives also gives significant credence to the sins of lust and polygamy?

6. And that the condoned treatment of these wives gives credence that the koran allows the sins of anger and greed???????

And as you point out, the wives were asking for mercy in allah's name, the diety of islam, who I have read, is merciful and kind. The ob then the husbands will indeed answer for their wrong doing because I've been told that in the koran, it says that if one asks for mercy in allah's name or the prophets, then it must be granted.

There are a lot of guilty muslim men just as there are many guilty Christian men who beat their wives when St. Paul clearly exhorts men to be as Christ to their wives.

As far as the article, I found it a gently written beautiful admonishment of Ms Quinn.

Good Job Ms.Khan.

dina (devout Catholic)

And as you point out, the wives were asking for mercy in allah's name, the diety of islam, who I have read, is merciful and kind. The ob then the husbands will indeed answer for their wrong doing because I've been told that in the koran, it says that if one asks for mercy in allah's name or the prophets, then it must be granted.

There are a lot of guilty muslim men just as there are many guilty Christian men who beat their wives when St. Paul clearly exhorts men to be as Christ to their wives.

As far as the article, I found it a gently written beautiful admonishment of Ms Quinn.

Good Job Ms.Khan.

dina (devout Catholic)

And as you point out, the wives were asking for mercy in allah's name, the diety of islam, who I have read, is merciful and kind. The ob then the husbands will indeed answer for their wrong doing because I've been told that in the koran, it says that if one asks for mercy in allah's name or the prophets, then it must be granted.

There are a lot of guilty muslim men.

As far as the article, I found it a gently written beautiful admonishment of Ms Quinn.

Good Job Ms.Khan.

dina (devout Catholic)

Daisy, Daisy, Daisy,

I would be much more concerned about the rituals of Islam.

To wit:

Wife beating,

From Hirsi Ali's book, Infidel:

paperback issue, p. 47:

"Some of the Saudi women in our neighborhood were regularly beaten by their husbands. You could hear them at night. Their screams resounded across the courtyards. "No! Please! By Allah!"