Turning the Tragedy of Aasiya Zubair Hassan into Action

Reply to BIOS,

You take a cruise to Pakistan. I have better things to do with my life. There are far too many civilized lands to visit. Pakistan is a terroist nation. By all mean, you go in my place and stay there.

The Koran is garbage. The Koran is unfit for the toilet. The toilet is too good for it.

Maryann, if you keep talking like this, you'll have to cancel your cruise to Pakistan.

Reply to Spark1

You do not have to like my opinion, but I have the right to it, something you have forgotten.

You are an imbecile. Islam is a savage religion. You are probably a Muslim or a Muslim apologist.

I hold all Muslims and those who defend Muslims in complete contempt. Muslims are a vile, hideous "people." The only thing they contribute to the world is violence.

The Koran is not fit to be flushed down the toilet. The toilet is too good for it. The Koran should be destroyed.

Pseudo, does it really sound as if I'm a dreamer?

Shahid, open your eyes.
Can you deny the link religion-beheading in this case?
We can put some blame on the individual regardless of his religion, but religion also is to blame here.
Maybe he is a criminal from an islamic point of view for some, but he is also doing the right thing from an islamic point of view for others.

How would you split these two points of view in percentage of people believing in one or the other?

Maryann261

You have shown your meanness for which you need not be ashamed because internet hides you.

What a stinking personality you are.

The Koran is not even fit to be flushed down the toilet. The toilet is too good for it.

Aasiya Zubair Hassan's violent death has nothing to do with Islam. It is a murder committed by an individual. Islam should not be brought under discussion on this issue. We cannot blame Islam by saying what Muzzammil Hassan did was a patriarchal act permitted under Islam. He is a criminal from an Islamic point of view as well. Had he understood Islam, he should have divorced her in a decent manner if there was no hope of reconciliation.

Contemporary Islam from the inside:

From Ayaan Hirsi Ali's autobiography, "Infidel":

"Thus begins the extraordinary story of a woman born into a family of desert nomads, circumcised as a child, educated by radical imams in Kenya and Saudi Arabia, taught to believe that if she uncovered her hair, terrible tragedies would ensue. It's a story that, with a few different twists, really could have led to a wretched life and a lonely death, as her grandmother warned. But instead, Hirsi Ali escaped -- and transformed herself into an internationally renowned spokeswoman for the rights of Muslim women."
ref: Washington Post book review.

four excerpts:

p. 47 paperback issue:

"Some of the Saudi women in our neighborhood were regularly beaten by their husbands. You could hear them at night. Their screams resounded across the courtyards. "No! Please! By Allah!"

p.68:

"The Pakistanis were Muslims but they too had castes. The Untouchable girls, both Indian and Pakistani were darker skin. The others would not play with them because they were untouchable. We thought that was funny because of course they were touchable: we touched them see? but also horrifying to think of yourself as untouchable, despicable to the human race."

p.309

"Between October 2004 and May 2005, eleven Muslim girls were killed by their families in just two regions (there are 20 regions in Holland). After that, people stopped telling me I was exaggerating."

p. 347

"The kind on thinking I saw in Saudi Arabia and among the Brotherhood of Kenya and Somalia, is incompatible with human rights and liberal values. It preserves the feudal mind-set based on tribal concepts of honor and shame. It rests on self-deception, hyprocricy, and double standards. It relies on the technologial advances of the West while pretending to ignore their origin in Western thinking. This mind-set makes the transition to modernity very painful for all who practice Islam".

Last month a Christian man in California shot and killed his wife and all of his children in the house. The reason given was the loss of job.This act should not be connected to the Christian religion.

Domestic voilence can happen in any society. Those societies where learning, education and awareness of social issues are neglected have the highest rate of such killings. Things like honor killings are prevalent in people with little or no education. The social environment and culture around that place do play the role but not the religion.Rather many such persons are non-religious. The drug abusers and alcholics are mostly non-religious and domestic voilence in prevalent in such homes.
No religion allows beheading a wife, including Islam.

themoderate,

And what level of the cube do you occupy, below or above the Islamic level??

BIOS:

"If the link between domestic violence and religion in this case is ignored, it’s just a matter of time for it to happen again."

Imagine there's no heaven,
It's easy if you try,
no hell below us,
above us only sky.
No domestic violence,
Because religion died,
No hate no violence,
Brought about by religion,
'cause we all got pie eyed...

CCNL:

"THE SIGNIFICANT STUPIDITY OF IT ALL!!!!"

How's tricks, Sugar Cube?

The spousal abuse should not be quantified only by the number of men killing their wives, but also by the number of wives killing themselves. In the small village in the Middle East where I once lived two women in our neighborhood took their own lives; one by pouring kerosine on her clothes and setting herself on fire and the other by jumping into a water well. The number killed in that town by a male relative is another story for another time.

you say there is no link between domestic violence and religion,...well, maybe not ALL religions...

(below taken from W.S.Elliot's article)

1.....This week's "On Faith" questions hit me with a flurry of questions:
1.1.....Have any non-American Muslim leaders condemned the beheading?
1.2....."Quick" after the beheading, could anybody know whether, in the murderer's mind, religion had anything to do with his crime?
1.3.....Since beheading is a solid Muslim tradition & contemporary practice, how could any Muslim leader say that a particular beheading by a Muslim had "nothing to do with religion"?
1.4.....Since the beheader was religious, and of a religion that practices beheading, how - in light of this event - could anyone ask whether there is "a connection between religion and domestic violence"?

http://www.lemondrop.com/2009/02/10/8-year-old-married-off-to-47-year-old-man/

What more is there to say?

600 million Muslim women with the exception of a lucky few like the PM of Bangladesh (the female PM of Pakistan was not so lucky) suffer 24/7 under the heels of 400 million Muslim men. This is all done via the guidance of the "worst book ever written" aka the koran. Said book was generated by the hallucinations of one long dead Arab who supposedly got his instructions from a "pretty, wingie, talking, flying, fictional thingie" named Gabriel. It all makes one scream out "THE SIGNIFICANT STUPIDITY OF IT ALL!!!!

Interestingly, while the female Prime Minister of Bangladesh just averted what could have been a crisis of breathtaking proportions, the progressive US has yet to elect a female president. The most recent candidate was the subject of relentless sexist attacks in the media, the likes of which have yet to be seen in Bangladesh elections.

Religion and patricarchy entered the world enmeshed with one another. Wedded to nation states, they have had a disastrous history. The question is how to facilitate a divorce--worldwide.

If the link between domestic violence and religion in this case is ignored, it’s just a matter of time for it to happen again.

The extract from WISE suggests that domestic violence in American society is the factor that has really affected the muslim community. Has American society transplanted domestic violence to the muslim community?
It may be difficult to see clearly from the inside, but if the factor is seen as exterior to religion, nothing will be solved.

How come Miss Khan doesn’t see this one-sidedness?

Besides a lot of talking, what else are muslim organizations doing?
It’s fine to see that they are giving sermons & writing articles. But they should definitely cast out the individual committing the crime from their own ranks. Aggressors should get the message that their community will reject them in cases of religion-based domestic violence. Nothing has been heard regarding this.

Concerning the last paragraph, it’s always puzzling to find battered women staying with their abusers. I think it has more to do with the psychological aspects of an abusive mindset than because they are selfless or self-sacrificing. But if everything is seen under an honoured contemplation instead of seeing it under a practical and effective perspective, a solution to the problem will be elusive.

A heck of a lot in the New Testament has been used to oppress women and is still used in that way. On top of that, it's given us that great syndrome without which we could not possibly do: the Virgin/Wh*re duality. Not only has NTsm sanctioned domestic violence, which it continues to ignore in numerous Christian countries, but it has savaged the planet. Worst of all in the virtual world is the cretin, CCNL.

Religion, with all yer ideological baggage, your bloodbath history, who needs yer?

WmarkW,

Excellent!!!!!

Dear Daisy Khan,

Exodus is a Jewish Legend.What written in Exodus are not Concrete and Substantial commands,but what written in Holy Quran are decisive and concrete commands.

*certain passages of the Holy Quran have been misunderstood* Is this rational comment ? Why do they misunderstand ? Can millions of muslims misunderstand ?

You say *islam/submission condemns violence against women* Please...,please.would you please write any verse(s) which condemn violence against women.

Let me remind,Violence is not only scourge as written in 4.34(absolutely,indisputable),but,Headscarf,Black Wrap,Burqa,*two women equals one man*,*women may err*(dont males err?),*women are your tilth*,*half inheritance*,*four women* etc. are violence against Women and Woman/Human Rights.

Dear Daisy Khan,

You must face the Realities.
Islam/submission is the Cult of Violence.Woman in islam is the second class(even third class) citizen.Submission enslaves women.Islam is against US Costitution and American/Contemporary Values.
Absolute Realities can not be changed by empty and fifth class polemics.Please...,please...Two plus two makes four,not two equals one.

What Muslim women should do is follow the lead of Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Wafa Sultan and stop believing in faith altogether. Faith is what one believes without reason, and so the dominant faith in a society defaults to being the prejudices of its dominant members.

There is no good idea in Islam that isn't available secularly.

By having 11 wives, Mahound showed disrespect for 10 of them.

Ode to Mahound

O Islam, Islam, violent Islam,
Moha, illiterate and hallucinating,
O Islam, Islam, violent Islam,
Moha greed and lustful, womanizing,
Was he too,

O Islam, O Islam, violent Islam,
Moha, warmongering and hateful,
Was he too,

O Islam, O Islam, violent Islam,
Sunnis of hate, Shiites of late,
Even Pretty Wingie Thingies cannot
Save us from O Islam's hate.

Save us from these Islamic FEMs,
Flaws, Errors, Muck and Stench,
They ooze from the rocks of earth,
Like worms of death and wrench.

Born, Bred, and Brainwashed too,
Whatever, whatever to do?
Truth, Truth, History and Truth,
Let it Ring True, Freedom, Freedom
Free at Last and much left to do!!!