Puzzles and Wonders

Just in case: Att: Mr. C C N L-iberated, et al:

Ye saith, "... Mumbo-Jumboers..."

Note: Under the Ho-Co-Fe-Fa [Holyi Cosmic Feeling Faith'rs] SYSTEM & via the "Bible Of the Future", that gives HUUEMATE's (no longer Humans) a concise definition of the meaning of "BOLLIXER(s) & BOLLIX". see Any American (not english) dictionary pleazza.

Besides "Split Minded Psychosis" these so-called "Bollixers" are also called "WORD MERCHANTS", especially the Licensed ones; but it's the Jealously deceptive ones one needs to be careful of or 'Hip' too.

Apocalyptically, BOLLIXER is a slango for "to throw into confusion." So, Human's (not Huuemates)who become confused about the Judeo-Jewish Tenach, or Judeo-Christ Bibleor Judeo-Islam Quran, or Judeo-Hindu Geeta or Judeo-Buddha Kangyur or via other PRE-Apocalyptic belief(s) are apt to 'Distort' those beliefs to themselves (i.e., wingy thingys talking flying fictional..)

et al, in order to 'Justify' them, sometimes very deliberately to make money (for Profit not Prophet)or prestige (as if 'god players' & messengers of) or whatever, and those are the bible bollixers or 'Scripture, Stanza, Sura, Pasuk, Parsha..' as DISTORTIONIST's

which WE [i], via the "Bible Of the Future" of the "Ho-Co-Fe-Fa" people of Space-Ship Earth, would ALERT (or correct such Mythology therein & thereto) the potential "Denizinary/Citizinary" to Watch-out! And to

point out that OUR "Space-Forth Active" potential Huuemates can become 'Victim(s)' of such licensed Bibliomaniacs, Koranaholics & or Geetadics or Buddhaholics & the Confusion's own jealous folks who [i.e. TELEVANJEALOUSicalS] whom unjustly 'Denounce/cry' that "SCiENCE IS EViL.." over Secular Air Waves (not their god).

Note again: Fact: W/out MEMEtic endowed Huuemate's (not humans) via their SCiENCE, there could be "NO" (not a Yes, regodless what ye (not OUR) good/bad booklet says) "APOCALYPTiC-FULLFILLMENT" of the "DEEPER PROPHECY" inscribed in their “Infixus Books” unless YE build on the "SINGULARITY" (no more PLURALiTY) of all Ye (not OUR) Pre-Apocalyptic Systems, then & only then will 'World Peace' & "Gridarian-Democracy" will/finally prophetically cometh. Even if it means WW3 & or WW4 (not via Armageddon Story‘s! So watch what ye Wish for & Pray for!??!

Hence: WE [i] Cometh in PEACE, PAZ, SHALOM, SALAAM, AHIMSA, ZINGYU, FREiDEN, MIR..

Actually I have been "Crossanized" and did so without the need for visions of god and/or "pretty, wingie, flying, talking fictional thingies!!!!

CCNL

"The Hallucinator",

Your Borg brainwashing continues unabated!!!

REPLY to Ted Baehr and Tom Snyder's post,
"Americans Want Movies with Morals, Christian Values." Something for Ye educational own good:

Besides the "Actor's Guild" & or their Behavioral "Guilt's", THAT Apocalyptically Spakething, that "PANTHEON/PANTHEONIC" is defined as; "The representation of the powers of the UNiVERSE + the powers of OUR "HUMANiTY" in the [G-D given] talent's of actor's & Actress's, with whom WE [i] may have some "FANTACY-CONNECTiON as i [WE] experience their beuty & their Performances, etc.."

Note: FANTACY CONNECTION means; "The relationship of an observer [between] the talents of an entertainer + the fantacy of the Observer"

Explanation: In the ancient times of PRE S.S. Earth's current Apopcalyptic & Space-Forthing Active & Future bounding HUUE-MATES (no longer Pre-Apocalyptic Human's), that the 'entertainer's' of their Civilization were MYTHOLOGiCALLY (opposte of Truth) characterized as the "god(s)' + the 'goddess's" of PANTHEON

AND written-up in their Stories/fables of their introvisions competing for a name for their RELiGiON(s) god(s) for the "Legendary-Effect" that such tales of Prowess could have on such Citizens/Denizen's of S.S. Holyi Earth , AND

in many cases, against their Enemies {not ours of whom WE are friends with many of them today} whose SUPERSTUPIDSTITIONS were both 'pressured' and 'pandered' by such FANTACY PROVOKiNG talents & terribilities.

Please See "There's NO-BiZ like SHOW-BiZ"

Note: TODAY there is still a 'Pantheon' in EVERY Earthly Civilization but it is more entertaining and less Mythological than in OUR distant PRE-apocalyptic Past, and the more Apocalyptic name is 'show biz'; WHEREOF:

Justly about everybody got's a 'secret' (opposite of REVELATiON) god(s) or a secret goddess(s) that serves some purpose through the Fantacy-Connection via the "BIOFiNiTE-HEURiSTICa/o introvision processor" of YE selves, whose own secret god or secret goddess's Ye art PATHEONiCALLY reflecting with via a STORY BOOK & it's Revelation (opoposite of secret) thereof & thereto.

Making a Fantacy become a Reality is the Life Blood Holly-i-Wood?

REPLY to Michael Otterson's post on "Scriptures: As Much a Part of Life as Breakfast"

""Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me." (John 5:39)"

Hint: Besides claiming "I'm King of the Jews" or Moria; How can a Man, not a god, proclaim

(before the KJV , aka New Masorah, was ever Written by "John" the Revelator whom died in Potmus Prison & "John" the Baptist whom got his head chopped-off in prison)

That Rabbi MOSES was talking about [HIM] Rabbi Yashua, aka Rabbi Jesus, aka Rabbi Jehova..?? Hence why HE [Mr. Jesus] was Publicaly Executed for claiming such nonsense as Being a KING & being a Chief king , Pagan or not, RABBi!

Note: 2-Things: THAT

1) The "King James Version" is owned by the Queen of England which gives the MONARCHY (which should be abolished) a Monopoly & thus Uses the "Mormon" (American MADE Religion?) to IMPORT (not made in Amaerica) such foreign made Pre-ApocalyptarianISM! i [WE] noticed that Ye Mormon Church are Advertising get a "FREE BIBLE" (KJV) by registering with Us" (LDS).

Pleazzza: Ye need to quote strictly from the BOOK of MORMON (American Made) quotes, not King James Bible (not AMERiCAN made) quotes!

2) One of OUR Prophets of many, of the Holyi Cosmic Feeler's Faith [Ho-Co-Fe-Fa, System], a genuine Blue Blooded Made Belief, like a Religion but based on TRUTH (opposite of MYTH); as told US via Father/Brother John Tyndall (August-1820 – 4 December 1893) [PBUH et al]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Tyndall
not Ye Queen/Kings victim; William Tyndale (Tindall/Tyndall;?.1494 – ?.1536)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Tyndale
AND soo,

his honor Once said, ""IT" is fatal, as it is cowardly, to blink facts, because they are not to OUR taste.." [Similar saith].

REPLY to Norman Lear & Co. Post in, "I'm a Born Again American":

Like The Holyi Cosmic UNiVERSE being OUR innate genuine CONSTiTUTION such that, Therefrom (SOurce) the "LAW(s) Of "IT"s [G-D by 1000 Names & no longer by 99, not a HE nor a SHE] own omnipresent N-A-T-U-Re, is in fact OUR percieved CLAUSES of "iTESELF" (aka G-D..) for ALL, Every & Any HUUE-MATE(s) (newer-name for HUMan) to magnify, uphold & make honorable such awareness. THEN

Like the Miraculous [man-Made] U.S. CONSTITUTION havings it's own CLAUSES [Human made Law(s) for us to honor, uphold & magnify]; i.e., the ".. Seperation of State from Church.." clause; Means Exactly that:

There shall be "NO" (can never be made a Yes) Church sleeping in bed with Any Governmental Establishment (a for Profit Entity, not tax free not for Prophets) or their personell.

Point: If the Judeo-Christians used GREEK for their Bibles (Basorah/Masorah); Then in Greek "POLIS" means 'STATE' & on the other side of the Holyi coin "RELIG" means 'CHURCH' , not State!

Note: OUR Holyi Cosmic, Nebula-Built, Space-Ship-EARTH , aka Blue-Dot, is the COIN! Not someone elses "4-WAY TOTEM POLE", aka Cross or such man-made Religio competing Symbol's as in Cresent & 5 point Star of Islam or the 8 spokes of Hindu/Buddha or the 6 points of David/Star of Judeo's etc..!!

REVELATiON (opposte of secret): 6 + 8+ 4 + 5 = 23?, aka "The 23 pairs of large linear nuclear chromosomes, giving HUUE-MATES a total of 46 per cell (internal/body 23 + External/spirit 23). A Miracle in "IT"s own Right; never a Wrong! Thus

Birth awareness is a Miracle in motion & never is birth any SIN or a SUFFERng (as though in both Pre-Apocalyptic Abrhamaic & Vedic man made RELiGIO Systems).

Soo, Public Officials whom invite & create a RELIG institution (not for Prophet?) into a Constitutional Caveat against such behaviors; are Usurpers of "The Purpose Driven, 2-Institutions"

1) STATE/Secular-Driven .vs

2) CHURCH/Deity-Driven, Vis aViz.
--
Behold! The "Religion Of Everything, before the Science of Everything, is Upon Us, as promised in All Ye (not OUR) Infixus Books; OLD-NEW/BIBLEs, Old-New/QURAN, Old-New/GEETA.

Thomas "The Hallucinator" Baum,

Your RCC brainwashing continues unabated!!!

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".. Then Yacubs son's took the Levvantians (not OUR) sheep, Oxen, Donkeys (Democrats), Elephants (republicans) ... All their wealth, all their 'Little Ones' (goys, aka Kafers, aka Heretics, gentiles..) and their Wives(from Dinah's circumcised men) .." But

Rabi Moshe ADMiTTED (freudiantly) at the End of his (not OUR) story's that only the most honorable Man (Shechem), in that City, had sexualized with Her (Dinah); yet Simion & LEVi (the Drunk Noah Story caretakers & enforcers) could still see NO-WRONG? (not Right?) in their (not OUR) Circumsicion Tricks & then Mass-Murdering/Punishment; Thus saying,

to the reader of the GENiSiS Book (Authored by Novel star Moses & Co.) traditionalizing such Bragadacio, "SHOULD HE DEAL w/our Sisteras with an Harlot..?"

Please see the "SARA PROSTITUTION STORY's" & the PASSOVER-LINE Mass Murderings story & the JosephBewtrayal Story, and today still Pre-Apocalyptically Traditionalizing (Holidays & Worship of???) such Mass Punishments, aka Shoah's & Holocausts caused by Circumcised Tribe Brothers & Sisters! et seq!

-- AND after the CHRiStian Movement (and their own Holocausts perpetrations) or enforcement of that Drunk noah Story et al; THAT

Today al iSLAM via MOSLEMS or MUSLIMS, as if also be based on such Pre-Apocalyptarianity thus saying, "WE (not i) believe in.. the Revelation? given to Us? + to ABE.. Itzhak, Yacub & Tribes?, + given to Moshe & Yashua and that given to All such prophets fron their (not OUR) Lord;

WE MAKE NO (not a yes) distinction between Them (Abrahamics; + Vedics? too) .

See ANY Quran or Koran @ 2:136) et seq!

HOPE ye learned something!

A Correction of David Plotz's "god book" and the "DiNAH MASS-PUNISHMENT STORY" therein:

It's a vainglory within the Novel-Star Moses's acount [not OUR] or his epoch ; as if the 'Dinah Mass-Murderings" story is a "wonderful" part of the Abrahamic Judeo/Christ Bible(s) subtly bragging about a Mythological time in the Juish 'Tradition' [is if their, not OUR, story's are embedded in OUR 'MEME's] when

The Jacob Family ("Israel is my 1st Born; not Ishmael , nor Esau, nor Yashua..) , functioning unmercifuly as the 1st 'iSRAELiTES" (ex Aegyptian Osiris Worshippers turned Circumcised Judeo's) on this "Zionable-Planet", happened to learn that , DiNAH, the JEWESS, daughter of Jacob the Jew, was having an affair with an Idol Baal Worshiping Arabionin one of the towns that the family of Yakub

wanted to take away from the Arabs or CANAANiTES (as in HAGAR, mother of Ishmael the 1st born, not jacob; aka low lifes from low lands) and thus "Zionize"
[in Islam they have "Al TAQIYAH", and like jews say kosher islam now says Hellal]
for the "Ex-Osiris Pagans JEWS now turned Circumsised [a form of Branding into a club/tribe] along with ALL the Women + Riches of that Territory!??????

Although the Abraham, Shecehem, "was more Honorable than All the House of his Father," as Moses[?] freidiantly admitted in his (not OUR) Dinah Novel story; never the less did the Son(s) of Yacub , aka LEVi + SiMEON, whom was the Brotheres of the TRI-sying Dinah (Jacobs wife) ;

decietfully persuaded All the Arab-Men (not Islamic) of that town in order to 'REPENTfully' become 'Jewishly" circumcised as the FORGiVEng bases of a "Fair Trade Agreement" [not NAFTA] to officially settle the CULT-ure'l issue between the LEVANTians & the ex-Aegytian Fugitive/slaves of the old Osiris Child/Adult Sacrifice AMON-ra-re's religio pagan sytems;

Which arose over DiNAH's SEXUALiZING with the most honorable young Arab-men Levantites (not caravan raiding Beduoonns) in that progressive Town [Sechem]. Soo, because of this Rape(?) that

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att: E D A, et al: interesting.

Note: ALL, EVERY & ANY {no-Exceptions?} so called 'iNTERFAITH" groups [profit or not for prophets] are observing the "WRONG PHiLOSOPHY", aka the "OLD-SONG". Soo,

The TRUE (oppositeof MYTH)
REVELATiON (opposite of secret) of the OLD-SONG(s)

own nature is NOT (not a Yes) in the "PLURALiTY" (as in interfaith, of things, as in or as in, "Tolerence?" of religion or faith or belief in question) But

is Truly about Concieving the genuine "SiNGULARiTY" of All, Every & Any "Pre-APOCALYPTIC (Old time religion(s)) SYSTEM's. Soo,

SiNGULARiTY of [OUR] "G-D" instead of PLURALiTY of [Their] 'god(s)" is the Holy Cosmic Mission of Us {HUUE-MATES; not Humans} , aka The "Holy Cosmic Feelings Faither's" [Ho-Co-Fe-Fa] SYSTEM; a belief , like a Religion, but based the Holy-i-Cosmic TRUTH (opposite of MYTH)!

Note: "Peace Be Upon Them" [pbut]; but OUR [o.ne U.niversal R.eligion] Forefather(s) & Mother(s) like of Father/Prophet hir Albert Einstein [pbuh et al] & his honorable Charles Darwin [pbuh et al]via OUR "BiBLE OF THE FUTURE" is the Prophet Way, as Prophecied & Foretold All on Space-Ship Earth, that would some day Cometh!

HARK! "The Religion of Everything, before the Science Of Everything" is Now Come! [for Every, Any & All whom Seek the Photons of "IT"].

A "SiNGULARiTY" [true-APOCALYPTARiANITY, aka the NEW-SONG] whose time via "TIME" is Materialized" and No More of that old time "PLURALiTY" [aka Old Song] "man-made" system(s) competing for a name for their [not OUR] god; iNSTEAD of [OUR] G-D innate SYSTEM in miracle never sin via holyi motion justly for a time in TIME [in TEMPerature]!!

Paganplace:

"Interestingly-enough, by the way, that false dichotomy is a 'problem' peculiar to a worldview ruled by a singular, perfect authority."

I was commenting on the fact that a worldly, scientific, empirical view of the universe is just as much a theory of predestination as any that posits a "God". It's just that they have not been confronted with that fact and haven't had to invent the "God puts on a bindfold" dodge yet.

I don't hold with either theory. Destiny and karma can mean the same thing. You can change it but it isn't easy.

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Note: NO G-D is either a HE nor a SHE; but only an "IT", being "iTSELF" in and out of Us All via "IT"s annimates & inanimates stuffs & things; Becoming what one is becomming, aka EVOLUTiNG!,

Hence the creator of OUR 'Biofinite' Carbon based & thus Holyi cosmic "Photon-Essence"s via PHOTONs (LIFE) are a Miracle (never is Birth any Sin/Curseth Story) in Holyi MOTION!

Thus WE [i] are in the "ETERNiTY AVOiDiNG LONLINESS" as "Birth Awareness" in holy 'TIME' [WE are subordinate to Holy TEMPERATURE; aka Absolute Hot & absolute Cold MIZAN {the Holy Balancing act].

Remember: The Holy+i Cosmic UNiVERSE & "IT"s "Cosmic FLATULENCE" is OUR genuine CONSTiTUTION {U.S. 2nd & Any Tenack, Bible, Quran, Geeta, Kangyur..3rd or not at all} AND the "Laws Of "IT"s Narture {Contrary to Anthony Stevens-ARROYO's et al wishful thinking in a Christian "LONANG"} are OUR Clauses!

BEHOLD! WHEREFORE: Magnify, Uphold & Make Honorable Ye [OUR] HOLY-i NO-MAN/WOM; a Miracle in Motion not a Sin in Motion!

PS: Did not the Drunk Noah Story already Cleansed all [OUR?] sins via SETH (character from OSiRis Child/Adult Sacrifise Abomonators) ,the 3rd & only son of Mr. & Mrs. ADAM/EVE & the Gilgamesh Flood EPOCH story's of the Zoroastrians [via Iranian king CYRUS]?

iNTERESTING: Please see Any Bible (Mesorah (old) or MASORAH (new tidings) @ ISIAH: "I will raise CYRUS (Persia?) My Righteous, to build the Temple.." Hence Why some Orthodoxy are kissin-up to Iran & not recognising Israel & Co. Note: some of these Ultraites live in America & should bee lockd-up in Quantonom Bay, like Terrorists. Please: Do not delete this TRuth (opposite of MYTH).

Peace; Paz, Mir, Shalom, Salaam, Ahimsa, Zhingyu..

Mr. Wople, et al: Ye sound like a nice person. i read Ye? article: ON "Why Jews Don’t Accept Jesus"
http://www.jewishjournal.com/opinion/article/why_jews_dont_accept_jesus_20030110/

NO! NO, Contrary to your thinking and David PLOTZ's in "Judaism is "NOT" (never a Yes) as "The-SOURCE" (like in; Source-One, aka 'the Holyi No-Man/Womb of the Vibrationals 1st; Flash 2nd & then Big-Bang 3rd) like some STAR (Sun) and THUS,IT's Rays (from Abrahamic nor from Vedic religion) are not those of Christianity, nor Islamity, nor Hinduity nor Buddhaity, Taoisity, nor the ray's of Judioity et al!

And Pleazzza; Remember & never Forget that there are (as i many times pointed out & wrote) more than 7 Major "SHOAH's" [Holocausts, aka Mass Killing, Ethnic, Religio etc.] that i [WE] know of!-- Rebuttal:

#1: i [WE] agree that it's insain to say that 'Suffering' is because people reject a human as if be [not OUR] a god iNSTEAD OF [OUR] genuine SOURCE-ONE, aka G-D, by 1,000 names & no more by 99 names.

#2: Rabbi Yashua defied both Roman & Halakah Laws. Note: It was the idol worshiping Pagon Arabs MERCHANTS [before Islam copy cat'd] of Jerusalem whom chipped-in, with Pharasees et al, to have Rabbi Jesus Killed or set-up for knocking over their merchandise & breaking stands/tables.

#3: Yes; if what is recorder in both booklets; Please see any Bible@ MATH:34-37] & LUKE:14:26 & 12:51 et seq , then it is not kosher!

#4: No No No; No HUUE-MATE can ever reappear as god "iNSTEAD OF G-D" any any Galaxy nor any Nebula-Built Holyi-Earths , or Space-Ship, like this or on board here!

#5: i [WE] agree; No one Abrahamic nor Vedic SYSTEM(s), all competing for a name for G-D have a Monopoly of the "MY god Syndrome"!

#6: Note: Setting Boundry's between MAN/God & Rabbi Jesus as if god is not kosher: Fact: All Abrahamics, includes Ye "ETZ CHAiM" (not OUR) et al; Are in fact ALL "POLY-THEO" & Ye hath zero Mono-Theo Religion!

Fact: Just by saying, "AMEN" or "AMON" or "OMMMM" or "AUMM" or "AMEEN" 'freudiantly means that Ye all Pray to a 1/2 RAMM & 1/2 MAN since Pre-Judaism formations. Example: MELOCH or CHEMOSH is that 1/2MA-1/2Beast. Yes? NO? don't know?

#7: Rabbi Jesus did not Prefer Roman 'Secular-Pagon?' Law over Halakah. {Sharia did not exist; but Caste System did back then}.

#8: i [WE] agree that No-One HUUE-MATE (except for Pre-Apocalyptic Human's, like Yeselves) can be saved by saying, "Rabbi Jesus is Lord, Yashua is Lord, Jehova is Lord; nor is HE or she a god!

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Att: Thomas Baum, et al:

Ye art a nice "MENCH" & Yes;

"Take care, be ready!"

PS: PAGAN... Are Jealous & Lost & Piggy Back on Modern Philosophy And California Proposition #8 Did not meet thier (not OUR) Anti Humanity expectations!

iNTERESTING!

PAGANPLACE

You talk about building worlds and such but did we build the universe?

Just because some people know God's Name does not mean that they know anything else about God.

You see to have a very low opinion of Mary, I don't.

I have said YES to God and even tho I have never met Mary, I have asked her to help me with my YES, actually even tho I have never met Mary, I do believe that she has already helped me but I do not know how.

God is a Being of Love, Pure Love and we are made in His Image, so whatever we do for Love, we do for God.

Even tho the word, Love, has been, to say the least, distorted, does not take away from that word.

God's Plan is for ALL to be with Him and His Plan will come to Fruition.

Take care, be ready.

Sincerely, Thomas Paul Moses Baum.

Dear Rabbi Wolpe

As a lay Catholic woman, I'm happy to read about the Jewish tradition, on which Christianity is founded, in which studying God's word, even by a lay person, is an integral part of piety.

I absolutely love the Psalms (Psalm 139 is my all time favorite) and I have read many times in Psalm 1:2 "But his delight is in the law of the LORD, and on his law he meditates day and night." I did not meditate on the meaning of this verse at all and I had no idea of the Jewish tradition in which lay people spend time learning and discussing the Scripture with others.

Thank you for sharing.

Soja John Thaikattil
Sydney, Australia

Thomas "The Hallucinator" Baum,

Your RCC brainwashing is again showing itself.

First you are in error considering that Jesus, the simple preacher man was/is a god and the second person of some invented trinity. His diety was invented by P, M, M, L and J to impress the local Jews and the Roman gentiles.

Next:
Luke 1:34 is in direct conflict with
(!5a) John 6:42
(!5b) John 7:40-44
(!5c) John 8:39-41

(!6) Luke 2:27,33,41,48

where Joseph is reported to be the father of Jesus.

"In Rabbi Jesus: An Intimate Biography (2000), Bruce Chilton develops the idea of Jesus as a mamzer; someone whose irregular birth circumstances result in their exclusion from full participation in the life of the community. He argues for the natural paternity of Joseph and finds no need for a miraculous conception. In his subsequent reconstruction of Jesus' life, Chilton suggests that this sustained personal experience of exclusion played a major role in Jesus' self-identity, his concept of God and his spiritual quest."

"John P,Meier [Marginal Jew I,220-22] discusses the virginal conception as part of his larger chapter on Jesus' origins. He earlier notes that both infancy narratives "seem to be largely the product of Christian reflection on the salvific meaning of Jesus Christ in the light of OT prophecies (p. 213). At the end of his examination, Meier concludes:

The ends result of this survey must remain meager and disappointing to both defenders and opponents of the doctrine of the virginal conception. Taken by itself, historical-critical research simply does not have the sources and tools available to reach a final decision on the historicity of the virginal conception as narrated by Matthew and Luke. One's acceptance or rejection of the doctrine will be largely influenced by one's own philosophical and theological presuppositions, as well as the weight one gives to Church teaching."

Understand?

There are future worlds where no one and nothing is 'left behind.'

But they must be built.

We can say *yes* to that Child of Promise which is within us all.

We can also say *no* to vainglorious hubrises of being 'the last' or 'those who can cast judgement and call the future... 'Left behind.'

We. Can. Choose.

And if we do *not* get to choose....

You can shut up, now.

No idea what it is CCNL thinks your God's saying to him, Thomas....

But it seems a lot of followers of your God are talking about 'design' and 'destiny' and thinking 'Prophecy' says it doesn't matter if they drive our country into the ground, as long as they're 'Righteous.'

If it's to mean anything, even if you think 'God' is telling you to bring about the end of the world, ....

You have to be able to say,

No.

Mary can't say 'Yes' if she's just an Ex-bake oven for a man or a God.

Likewise, acquiescing to some maniacal, but ideologically-corporate, however sanctified, Apocalypse, can't be 'holy' if someone can't actually say *no.*

Some right wing people will write 'Left behind' books and people end up confusing that with Christianity, or Fate, or the Gods, or reality... cause it's *easier.*

If we have 'free will' ....It may not move worlds or undo physics, but we *can* say 'No' to this nonsense.

We've done it before.

And we can do it again.

Usually doesn't happen until there's no other damn choice, but we can do this. The smarter we are, the sooner.

If we are to be the world, and any God wants us to live in some knowing, we can also say, 'Yes.'

And that's not about blind belief or idiotic religious dreams of conquest or domination.

Just life.

Just... Not chickening out.

All this stuff we have and know was damn expensive.

Trash it some other time. That's never been hard.

CCNL

You wrote, ""Christians (and others?) must give up a perverse, unhealthy and inhuman doctrine of predestination without in so doing making God the great scapegoat of history""

If some, including some so-called "biblical scholars" had a clue what predestination meant then they would rejoice that God has a Plan and has had His Plan since before creation and that God's Plan will come to Fruition.

Just because the Second Person of the Trinity became One of us, does not mean that God is as limited as we are, even tho Jesus was when He became One of us.

The only limitations that God has, are those that are self-imposed. When God gave us free will unless it was totally free then it would not be free at all, this is a limitation that God imposed upon Himself. We can freely give our will back to God but God cannot force us.

Remember when Mary said, "Let it be done unto me according to Thy Will", Mary's YES, thank you, Mary.

Take care, be ready.

Sincerely, Thomas Paul Moses Baum.

"Interestingly enough, predestination is the conclusion you must reach if you only believe in empiricism as well. If what you are are your neural tissue and its reaction to the environment, that means that you are just a biochemical machine, reacting to your environment is predestined ways."

Interestingly-enough, by the way, that false dichotomy is a 'problem' peculiar to a worldview ruled by a singular, perfect authority.

Just because, from some point of view, all of this has already happened, doesn't mean we are absolved from making choices right here in the linear 'illusion.'

Frankly, I can see few other grand cosmic reasons to *bother* with the exercise, if this is what you like. :)

Sounds to me like it's a lot like the martial arts... If you study alone you might think you're Bruce Lee.. Study in a mob and you might think your technique is perfect....

What if it's not a book?

"Therefore the historical future is not known even to God; otherwise we and our history would be merely a puppet show in which God holds the strings. For God, too, history is an adventure, an open history for and of men and women."

Interestingly enough, predestination is the conclusion you must reach if you only believe in empiricism as well. If what you are are your neural tissue and its reaction to the environment, that means that you are just a biochemical machine, reacting to your environment is predestined ways.

Studying along with Father Edward Schillebeeckx, from his book, Church: The Human Story of God,
Crossroad, 1993, p.91 (softcover)

"Christians (and others?) must give up a perverse, unhealthy and inhuman doctrine of predestination without in so doing making God the great scapegoat of history" .

"Nothing is determined in advance: in
nature there is chance and determinism; in the world of human activity there is possibility of free choices.

Therefore the historical future is not known even to God; otherwise we and our history would be merely a puppet show in which God holds the strings. For God, too, history is an adventure, an open history for and of men and women."