We Will Build our Gallows

I mean, hey, kids notoriously don't ash behind their earlobes, either. People will say it's 'desecration' if an adult gets a tattoo, but if I said it was in honor of Gethsemane, would you let me cut a baby's ear off if for some bizarre reason I thought it proper?

I think not.

It's always funny which 'side' you come down on, you know, Concerned Christian.

Kind of a sensitive issue for most men, which monotheist women aren't supposed to mention, even accept 'scientific' justifications for it, while taking 'faith-based' notions of separate dishes either essentrial for cleanliness law or utter nonsense abolshed by 'Jesus... '

The author uses this to dismiss Hitchens.

And by extension, any questioning what's actually good for kids. Never mind if getting weird on a baby penis is good for global harmony.. then having 'holy wars' over sexual mores...

Actually, CCNl, I think you're exhibit A. :)

Dare I ask the condition of your own member, CCNL, or is the demonstration of your theological and sexual fixations, just something you came up with one day?

I mean, it doesn't exactly take *all* my years of experience as Pagan clergy to note that you spend a *lot* of time here trying to convince me 'right religion' apparently involves penises, to the exclusion of my real and actual marrieage. Which happens to be with another gal.

As I've said, *sexually,* I like the idea of menfolk just fine, and several of you have had your chances, but I observe a certain degree of messed-upness* among you.

You're willing to accept any crackpot theory about how people could be convinced to 'choose' not to be totally, permanently, 'exclusively' straight... can't accept that taking a knife to a baby's bits might *just* not be an equation for well-adjusted masculinity?

Interesting.

Fear not, there is a Wiccan spell for fending off all Jewish and Christian "penis carvers"!!!!

Further, on this:

"In a world in which an otherwise respectable intellectual like Richard Dawkins can refer to religious education as "child abuse" we must say that one person's gentle faith can be another's unacceptable coercion."

Religious education often *is* child abuse. When it abuses children.

Too often the discussions are about if the religion is 'correct,' and who gets to say, rather than even getting anywhere *near* people ...who presumably went through it, remembering what it was like, *as* children, and speaking about what it was like, *as adults.*

People talk as if children are robots and must be 'programmed' properly. Certainly I remember we *resented* that *as* children, even as we were subjected to all manner of talk about horrible threats and torture and told that non-Christianity was Communism and the Commies'll come get you without Jeezus...'

At the time, we had mostly-OK public education. Mostly secular, with exceptions of certain teachers... But some of it was a *safe place.*

Among a whole lot of other stuff that, yes, I found abusive. Kind of crazy. All of us, in one way or another, thought it was.

And we all of us, as we got older, held together against the bullies, whatever our beliefs or non-beliefs. Some of us *did* grow up.

It's all based on *fear,* a fear that's come to a head, particularly as more people are able to *talk* to each other.

My Pagan sister had he kid baptized, for *fear* of being ostracized in a recession. And that was just some *water.*

People scream we ought to nuke the Middle East cause there's female genital mutilation, ....but defend cutting on the boys by some notion it's 'necessary.' ...Frankly, I wonder if the overreaction on a lot of males' parts is *because* they aren't allowed to express what was done to them. Talk like their penis is the ultimate power in any given universe, stand 'ashamed of nakedness' and humiliated if the mutilation is shown.

Could this be another cycle of abuse?

I suspect so.

Been a Pagan priestess. I hear things.

""Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours.""

You say, "Is that a foolproof standard?"

I say, likewise, hardly. If it's worth killing over watching someone kill for their beliefs, why not go all in?

Obviously that situation was more complicated. But still. Ive got a sneaking suspicion that before any Justice, you cede the right of 'the high justice' if you watch and don't act to stop what you stand by to punish.

Circumcising babies is genital mutilation, even if in a world where everything else gets sprayed down with Lysol but what-we-shouldn't-look at, it's called 'sanitary.'

A lot of men are traumatized over it. And had no choice about it. I still fail to see how cutting on a baby's winkle is supposed to mark em 'Pious' or even make em responsible if they are violated in that way before they even clear their heads for a lifetime.

If any *other* religion were doing this practice, we'd decry it as barbaric and say, 'Clean the darn penis.' Like it was something to respect.

JJ,

Rule #6

You forgot something!!!

WE (i) love all people, not just the ones who agree with WE {i}.

Dera Rabbi:

You worte: " In a world in which an otherwise respectable intellectual like Richard Dawkins can refer to religious education as "child abuse" we must say that one person's gentle faith can be another's unacceptable coercion."

When child's indoctrination to religious beliefs begins at a very early age, i.e. a child can barely understand faith, much less practice it, then I must submit that it is child abuse.

Children should be told about the multitude of different believe systems when they are able to grasp the meaning and they should then be able to make up their own minds what to believe if any anything

Indoctrination is part and parcel of most religious people. Parents want their children to believe as they do, thus they brainwash them at a very early age until the child can no longer tell reality from fiction. So, to be honest, I side with Mr. Dawkins. I is child abuse, mental abuse, but nontheless abuse.

Note: [i] inadvertly posted this on the wrong site:

This is what happens when YE humans {not Us Huemates} have uncured, unkosher, "Pre-Apocalyptic SYNDROME", & "Religious Jealousy Psychosis" and especially "SPLIT MINDED PSYCHOSIS"!

Note: "PSYCHIC DRIVING" [a brain Washing technique, not 'Waterboarding'] is how one can turn a naive {gullible} mind into a dry spong?"

IT's TRUE (opposite MYTH) that theres a Sucker born every 1/2 a minute, no more every minute! Theres alot of STUPID {means DANGERous} out yonder.

Something interesting: PASSOVER {Exodus} Holiday is comming soon. This celebration is about how a CULT-ure & their SECT-ions or how, via a "MULTITUDE" of mixed/captured Slaves later-on becoming unslaved {around 750,000 Strong Prisoners/Fugitives? who have multitudally escaped their MASTERS and Became EX[Pharoah/Osiris/Seth/Zeus/MELOCH, CHEMOSH/BAAL] Worshipers prophetically & suddenly turned "God(s) Chosen People". AND

This "PASSOVER-Line" also jubilees about how the "Let my {Circumcised/Branded] People GO" story via dances & drinks & Prays to celebrate the Aegyptian "MASS,1st-BORN, BABY'S HOLOCAUST Killings"???

SO; Passover celebration is about Organised Ex-HEBREWS turned "JEWS" {PELAEG Race ex-Eberu's} , via Branding, in search of their, not OUR {Us JOK{TAN Eberu's} "Milk & Honey" dream, which ironically is come True, aka as ZIONIZM by "...Great Terror.."!?

Oooopps: There is a 4th Nessesity to LIVE & LOVE in that i [We] omitted:

4) "CLOTHES" to 1st protect against the element; and 2ndly to Cover ones Carbon Based Body via "SEXUAL-GUILT" story's Or via several NovelStars Sexual Complex story via his/Her Bible that sais "It is a SIN"/CURSE to see ones own FATHER "NAKED" Please see The Drunkin NOAH" [Racist]Story that Judeo-Jew & judeo-Christs & Judeo-Islamics try ENFORCE & fight over. OR

Like the Curse of the Eating off the "Tree Of Knowledge" story, that forever cursed all YE Pre-Apocalyptarians [never US Apocalyptarian thinkers, aka Huemates, not humans anymore] for the sin of "Sexual Nakedness" {indecent Exposure?} because of being "IT"s {NATURALLY-SELECTED} not via YE HE/HIM/HIS as if personally selected [by YE god(s), but not OUR G-D!?

So, O' Israel, SING unto the LORD, ALMIGHTY, ROCK & by many names, "NO-more , are we "Chosen" by someone elses, Pre-Apocalyptic, "We are god(s) Chosen People" illness! Reality: Today, not morrow THAT

"IT"s about Letting "O.U.R." [O.ne U.niversal R.eligion] 'HUEMATES' GO!"

Not that oldtime; "My Tibes/Clan's God(s) People" SYNDROME!

Soo, Happy G-D [SINGULAR] hunting not god(s) hunting!

Today & always there are 3-Things to be mindful of in Appreciation & Apathy:

1) When "IT" comes to a "G-D" WE [i] = US! Not "MY-"god(s)". Please; Instead of Boldly believing in a Tribal/CULT's-ure thats Pre-Apocalypticaly singining "i ["WE"?] Instead of US?, are really?

"god(s) Chosen People" should INSTEAD, Apocalyptically, sing, "WE are "IT"s NATURALLY-SELECTED" HUEMATES; Not in any Man made Sin/Curseth Story! "IT" is 'TIME' {Holyi-TEMPerature}!

2) As long as Any potential HueMate (not Human anymore) can ADMITT that WE [i] = US; are ALL, EVERY & ANY "STUDENTS Forever; Of OUR, noy MY, "SOURCE-ONE" [an IT, G-D(), not A HE nor a SHE nor god(s)] DO-NOT GRADUATE! And

3) Today & morrow that, Those Fortunate Family's or Individuals who experience & obtain their Daily Allowance of Man-made & G-D made Neccessity's of LIFE should NEVER-COMPLAI is YE have atleast:

A) "FOOD"; to keep from disappearing. Then Be Happy Else Die!

B) "SHELTER"; to keep from being decomposed or rotted or eaten or killed by someone or thing!

C) "LOVE"; to keep from being LONLi & have Companionship, intimacey or justly being with a Hue-MATE.

Note: The reason why WE [i] US appear is because "IT" "iTSELF" did not want to be lonely! Therefore: WE really are in "IT"s "ETERNITY AVOIDING LONLINESS Holy Cosmic Miracle Machine or the CREATOR recreates Us for another Holyi Cosmic NEBULA-BUILT Miraculous Earthly Moment; somewhere, sometime, somehow!

Happy PASSOVER!???

Considering the rapidly declining number of practicing Jews in the USA, is Judaism retracing its roots and becoming simply a cult??

From MSN:

"Jewish Americans debate the future of their community. More than 50 percent of Jewish Americans now marry non-Jews. Religious and institutional involvement among Jewish Americans have steadily declined. Some Jews suggest that the community will eventually be absorbed into mainstream American society."

Rabbi Wolpe:
Brilliant response, truly brilliant. I've said it before; if I was ever forced to choose a religion I think I would choose yours.

A strictly philosophical question about one statement though:
"So as a society the most we can do is hold when the case is clear: depriving another of sustenance, education, basic necessities "

About education. Is depriving someone of an education a bad thing if the education itself is bad?
Take the case of the 'education' being given the FLDS kids in Texas. They are being 'taught' every day that marrying as children is god's plan, and that it is an honor to be chosen as child bride to an elder? This is their belief, their religion, should we not deprive those children of that education?

Todays oldtime religions still compete for a name for thier mam-made god System INSTEAD of "OUR" natural in-nate G-D or IT.

So, Stop jealously dividing, instead of uniting, or ignamoniously pretending that, someones elses "CULTs" are BAD? but YE "CULTUREs" is GOOD but, If Only if its "MY CULTURE" instead of genuine "O.U.R. CULTURE"!?

YE all can REVERSE the 'Sin/Curse' preventing US towards the HEALING OF THE NATIONs & WORLD PEACE as propheseid in All YE 3-Major Books: Chumash/Bibles, Quran/Koran & Geeta/Kangyurs..

THEREFORE: As Earthlingers That

IT devolves on [Us] YE {Potential Huemates, no more Humans} to

Develop an APOCALYPTIC Definition of HUMAN-CULTs-ure that will supersede Their (not OUR) PRE-APOCALYPTIC definitions of "Cultural" values by which the division of the nations and themselves in those nations can be 'FAiTHFULLY' decreased while at the same TIME the "HEALING OF THE NATIONS" can be prophetically increased toward WORLD PEACE & GLOBAL FAITH EXCHANGING for/towards that END!

It is NOW possible for 'the People" of this Blesseth (non reversible) Planet to see that their cultural teachings have given rise to NATIONAL-LAWs & International POLITICS contrary to what is neccessary for the HEALING OF THE NATIONS.

Yes We can! Yes We can!

Hello Mr. Wolpe & Friends: Here we go again with a religion gone Bad:

According to the 2009 edition of "ULTRA-PARATESTAMENT of The Holy-Cosmic New-Song" [Coming Soon] That, TRUT-fully

for the same reason that "SECTs means SEC-TION(s).. That "CULTs" means CULT-URE & CULT-URAL: (see also "MEME"s coined by Mr. R. Dawkins)

Accordingly "IT" {aka G-D; not a HE/Him/His nor a She/Her) says:

"They? are organized GROUPS/CLANS of people with 'obsessive-devotion' to some personality or practice which becomes such a fad among them that they would rather worship a HIM and or a HER than go beyond "IT" (aka "G-D" but not a HE/HIM/HIS or a SHE/HER) for a more Liberal understanding and enjoyment of LiFE & LOVE. But,

All YE AbeRAMs: Judeo-Jews, judeo-Christs, Judeo-Islamics & All YE VediRAMs-Hindu's & Vedic-Buddhista's.. Refuse to FACE-this "TRUTH" {opposite MYTH}; That

YE are victimizing them? by pointing fingers at them? & saying, "they? belong to a "CULT"-ures or they? belong to a SECTS-ions." that, They (US?) are YE-Victims.

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