We Are At War

Islam is a barbaric religion. This video, which shows how Islam will act if left unfettered and unchecked, DEPICTS VERY GRAPHICALLY THE WAY VIOLENCE IS REJOICED BY MUSLIMS AS A PART OF THEIR RELIGION.

http://islamabadobserver.com/2009/04/20/

THIS IS A VERY GRAPHIC DISPLAY OF THE TALIBANS IN ACTION IN PAKISTAN'S SWAT VALLEY. BEWARE BEFORE YOU DARE WATCH !

Rabbi Wolpe's views are right. If we cannot defeat Islam, we should be prepared to accept the fate as the hapless victims in the videos here.

Again: The Bottom line:

Muslims demonize themselves via the history of Islam as seen in their founder, an illiterate, hallucinating, warmongering, greedy and lust-filled, long-dead Arab. As long as the Worst Book Ever Written ,aka the koran, is the operating manual of Islam, Muslims of any stripe cannot be trusted.

And considering the extensive bearing of false witness on this blog by one Farnaz Masumian aka Spark1 aka Stadtbear aka Observer12 aka Observer31 aka Yael1 aka ivri5678 aka Billy8 aka nadinebatra aka ????, one could make the same case about members of the Baha'i "faith"!!!

"We are at war. We are at war with the part of Islam that persecutes women, sends suicide bombers in God's name into crowded markets, and threatens nuclear annihilation, claiming to love death."

No. We're not.

" (Recall the Imam who criticized Western culture for loving life, when true Islam loves martyrdom and death.)"

That's why.

Any good Buddha will simply walk away in Truth and Reality!!!

CCNL - thanks for policing the threads so diligently. You're a credit to your kind!

And no doubt Persiflage is the reincarnated Buddha !!! We have found this to be true!!!

All religions are pure mythology concerning one unspeakable reality. Religions are either ill behaved or well behaved and contribute to the human weil, or not.

All in all, religions have little or nothing to do with the one reality for which they yearn so ardently and pretend to have real knowledge. This lack of real truth definitiely includes their most sanctified hierophants and prophets.

Only Gautama the Buddha declared the falsity of all prophets, spiritual savants,saviors and avatars - each person will of necessity discover the truth for themselves.

Comedy....,comedy....

Justin writes,
*Hello Shark1,
I liked what you wrote.It was beautifully written,but how is it true?*

If it is not true,how can be beautifully written ?

Comedy...,comedy....

Shark1 answers,
*Never I saw in my life who said smoking is good*
Almost Two millions muslim holy warriors in Afghanistan are smoking hashash.

colinnicholas

You read about religions based on believing
and you included different devilish cults also in this list.

Though believes in faith provides a foundation but these are the actions in daily life which brings the powerful results in life and like flip-flop system push and pull eachother.

I do not agree with your author, religion cannot be taken as myth, it has its proven history. Religion is not human weakness but strength.

justillthen
How to know if it is true?
Well!
Everyone of us is God gifted with the faculties through which we can distinguished between right and wrong, good and bad. Never I saw in my life who said smoking is good, even the smoker will tell you that it is not good.
If you think something is true or can be true then give it a chance, experience it yourself - How can you see the next horizon without covering a distance?
And above all pray to the Lord to show you the ways to truth.

Hey there INGOODFAITH,

I do not mean to be insulting in any way, but I do want to let you know my experience.

I do not read any of your posts, except to recognize that you have posted, because I am repulsed by the way you communicate 'whatever it is' that you are trying to say. I have passed over your posts since reading the first couple of them and judging that you are not someone that has anything near the interest that you seem to believe that you have.

Sorry if it insults, but at least I am clear that I have been clear, and truthful.

Hello Spark1,

I liked what you wrote. Thank you for doing so.

But how is it anything but another religious dogma that is certain of it's own weight that speaks? How is this presentation true? It was beautifully written and felt, but how is it true?

OooPsssa.

Why Does likes of Mr. {International TERRORiST/MURDERE} is allowed to have 52 Kids????

Maybe Aborting HITLER & STALIN & BIN-LADEN & Lamps is a Good Idea!???

Yes. Mr. Prez B.H. Obama is a MUSLIM, MOSLEM, MUZLEMAN.. has 2 Girls. [May Eklahti Protect them} . Intererstingly:

Did Ye Knowth that under al-JUDEO System that What Ever the "Mother" is THEN that is what the Kida Are's??? AND that

under al-ISLAM System that whatever the "Father" is [Religion] like ISLAM then that is what the Son Is!???

Kosher or Hallal?

"The most common of all follies," wrote H.L.Mencken, "is to believe passionately in the palpably not true. It is the chief occupation of mankind."

In culture after culture, people believe that the soul lives on after death, that rituals can change the physical world and divine the truth, and that illness and misfortune are caused and alleviated by spirits, ghosts, saints, fairies, angels, demons, cherubims, djinns, devils and gods.
According to polls, more than a quarter of today's (1997) Americans believe in witches, almost half believe in ghosts, half believe in the devil, half believe that the book of Genesis is literally true, sixty-nine percent believe in angels, eighty-seven percent believe that Jesus was raised from the dead, and ninety-six percent believe in a god or a universal spirit. How does religion fit into a mind that one might have thought was designed to reject the palpably not true?"

The common answer - that people take comfort in the thought of a benevolent shepherd, a universal plan, or an afterlife -- is unsatisfying, because it only raises the question of why a mind would evolve to find comfort in beliefs it can plainly see are false. A freezing person finds no comfort in believing he is warm; a person face-to-face with a lion is not put at ease by the conviction that it is a rabbit.

What is religion? Like the psychology of the arts, the psychology of religion has been muddied by scholars' attempts to exalt it while understanding it. Religion cannot be equated with our higher, spiritual, humane, ethical yearnings ( though it sometimes overlaps with them).
The Bible contains instructions for genocide, rape, and the destruction of families, and even the Ten Commandments, read in context, prohibit murder, lying, and theft only within the tribe, not against outsiders. Religions have given us stonings, witch burnings, crusades, inquisitions, jihads, fatwas, suicide bombers, abortion-clinic gunmen, and mothers who drown their sons so that they can be happily reunited in Heaven.

As Blaise Pascal wrote;"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."

"How The Mind Works" by Steven Pinker. pub.WWNorton & Co. 1997. p554-555.

part 2
On the other hand:
The moral life of a Muslim will always be filled with godliness, piety, righteousness and truthfulness. He will live in the world with the belief that God alone is the master of all that whatever he and other men possess has been given by God, that the powers he wields are only a trust from God, that the freedom he has been endowed with is not to be used indiscriminately, and that it is in his own interest to use it in accordance with God’s Will. He will constantly keep in view that one day he will have to return to the Lord and submit an account of his entire life. The sense of accountability will always remain firmly implanted in his mind and he will never behave in a carefree and irresponsible way.
He will be the most honored and the most respected one. No one can excel him in this respect. How can humiliation ever visit a person who is not prepared to bow his head or even spread his hand for any favor before anyone except God the Almighty, the Sovereign of the universe?
He will be most powerful and effective. No one can be more powerful than he-for he fears none but God and seeks blessings from none but Him. What power can make him deviate from the Right Path? What wealth can buy his faith? What force can mould his conscience? What power can coerce his behaviour?
He will be the most wealthy and rich. No one in the world can be richer or more independent than he-for he will live a life of austerity, satiety, and contentment. He will be neither sensualist, nor indulgent, nor greedy. He will be contented with whatever he earns fairly and honestly and even if heaps of ill-gotten wealth are put before him he will not even like to look at them, to say the least of availing them. He will have the peace and contentment of heart-and what can be a greater wealth than this?
He will be the most revered, popular, and the loved one. No one can be more lovable than he-for he lives a life of charity and benevolence. He will do justice to all and sundry, discharge his duties honestly, and work for the good of others sincerely. People's hearts would be naturally drawn towards him and they would like him, love him, and revere him.
He will be the most trusted and honored one. No one can be trustworthy than he-for he will not betray his trust, nor will he go astray from righteousness: he will be true to his word, and straightforward and honest in his dealings. He will be fair and just in all his affairs, for he is sure that God is ever- present, ever vigilant. Words fail to describe the credit and goodwill, which such a man commands. Can there be anyone who will not trust him?-such is the life and character of a Muslim.
If you understand the true character of a Muslim, you will be convinced that he cannot live in humiliation, abasement, or subjugation. He is bound to prevail and no power on earth can overwhelm him or subdue him. For Islam inoculates in him the qualities which cannot be overshadowed by any charm or illusion.

David,

We are we at war with Judaism because "israel" unleashed its savage and barbaric war on Gaza and muderd and/or maimed over seven rpt seven thousand Palestinian civilians including some four hundred infants and children and over two hundred women-presumbly their mothers;and because Jews all over the world supported such savagery-look at what the jews voted for:liberman and netn-yahoo.

Again, a sincere apology by Farnaz (Masumian) and a promise to stop using aliases (Observer12 aka Observer31 aka Yael1 aka ivri5678 aka Billy8 aka
nadinebatra) and straw men (Stadtbear and Spark1) in the future would be a great first step in giving any credence to said Farnaz/Ms. Masumian's comments in the future.

Again, Our War on Terror and Aggression:

An update (or how we are spending or how we have spent the USA taxpayers’ money to eliminate global terror and aggression)

The terror and aggression via a Partial and Recent Body Count

1a) 179 killed in Mumbai/Bombay, 290 injured

1b) Assassination of Benazir Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh

2) 9/11, 3000 mostly US citizens, 1000’s injured

3) The 24/7 Sunni-Shiite centuries-old blood feud currently being carried out in Iraq, US Troops, 3,433 combat 844 non- hostile) and 91,403 – 99,794 Iraqi civilians killed, http://www.iraqbodycount.org/ and
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/casualty.pdf

4) Kenya- In Nairobi, about 212 people were killed and an estimated 4000 injured; in Dar es Salaam, the attack killed at least 11 and wounded 85.[2]

5) Bali-in 2002-killing 202 people, 164 of whom were foreign nationals, and 38 Indonesian citizens. A further 209 people were injured.

6) Bali in 2005- Twenty people were killed, and 129 people were injured by three bombers who killed themselves in the attacks.

7) Spain in 2004- killing 191 people and wounding 2,050.

8) UK in 2005- The bombings killed 52 commuters and the four radical Islamic suicide bombers, injured 700.

9) The execution of an eloping couple in Afghanistan on 04/15/2009 by the Taliban.

1. Saddam, his sons and major henchmen have been deleted. Saddam's bravado about WMD was one of his major mistakes.

2. Iran is being been contained. (beside containing the Sunni-Shiite civil war in Baghdad, that is the main reason we are in Iraq. And yes, essential oil continues to flow from the region.)

3. Libya has become almost civil. Recently Libya agreed to pay $1.5 billion to the victims of their terrorist activities Apparently this new reality from an Islamic country has upset OBL and his “crazies” as they have threatened Libya. OBL sure is a disgrace to the world especially the Moslem world!!! Or is he???

4. North Korea is still uncivil but is contained. With the opening up of rail traffic between North and South Korea after 50 years and with the assistance of the US Navy in retrieving NK ships and personnel hopefully a fresh sense of civility is afoot.

5. North Korea was taken off the terrorist country list recently.

6. Northern Ireland is almost at peace.

7. The Jews and Palestinians are being separated by walls. Hopefully the walls will follow the 1948 UN accords. Unfortunately the Annapolis Peace Conference was not successful. Unfortunately the recent events in Gaza has put this situation back to “square one”. And this significant stupidity is driven by the mythical foundations of both religions!!!

8. Bin Laden has been cornered under a rock in Western Pakistan since 9/11.

9. Fanatical Islam has basically been contained to the Middle East but a wall between India and Pakistan would be a plus for world peace. Ditto for a wall between Afghanhistan and Pakistan.

10. Timothy McVeigh was executed. Terry Nichols will follow soon.

11. Eric Rudolph is spending three life terms in prison with no parole.

12. Jim Jones, David Koresh, Kaczynski, the "nuns" from Rwanda, and the KKK were all dealt with and either eliminated themselves or are being punished.

13. Islamic Sudan, Darfur and Somalia are still terror hot spots.

14. The terror and torture of Muslims in Bosnia, Kosovo and Kuwait were ended by the proper application of the military forces of the USA and her freedom-loving friends. Radovan Karadzic was finally captured on 7/23/08 and is charged with genocide, crimes against humanity and violations of the law of war -- charges related to the 1992-1995 civil war that followed Bosnia-Herzegovina's secession from Yugoslavia.

15. And of course the bloody terror brought about the Japanese, Nazis and Communists was with great difficulty eliminated by the good guys.

Ingoodfaith

You cannot to say goodbye to all faiths, we will take care of you.

Ifyou open your eyes, the see Islam is like a rising sun. People all over the world are embracing Islam in large numbers.
Instead becoing a team member to critisize Islam try honestly to study this religion will will attract you like a magnet.

R. Wolpe,

While I'm not always in agreement with you, I do believe that nazis should have no place on your threads. Indeed, they should have no place anywhere on earth, but here, least of all.

I am sorry, therefore, that the NAZI blogging as CCNL, a vicious hater, has been allowed to post here.

It should not happen, but then there are many things of which one could say the same.

Be well, Rabbi.

Farnaz

Ingoodfaith
Probably you do not know that Islam never claim to be a new religion.
Your claim of stealing biblical characters in quite funny

Ingoodfaith

Probably you do not know that Islam never claim to be a new religion.
Your claim of steal the character in quite funny.

S p a r k-1 & CO;

Interersting Fable.

Getting old is NO Joke. But to be used is worse.

RE: Todays 'Al TAQIYAH' international Islamizm, like Catholicism or Hinduizm.. even via Collaborating with Communism [i.e., Russa, China & CO.,] is worse than Judeo-Zionism.

Question: How many, Ancient Israel(s) can Ye fit in Pakistan(s) own STOLEN Territories +/- 1946/47/48.., Religiously via 'Al Taqiyahly" style population takeovers from Peaceful India & Baluchistan Proper?

Note: If "SHARIA" is allowed in Hindu's turned Islamic via Pakistan, and Alexander The Great friendly Afghanistani's turned Islamic & ex Persian Mono G-D Zoroastrian's turned Islamic Abrahamic , Iranians,

Does not mean Ancient Abrahamic Israel , genuinely "PRE-ISLAMIC" will ever tolerate SHARIA CONSTITUTION(s) in Middle East Under a genuine SECULAR [ISRAELi] CONSTITUTION today.!

Ps: Besides Enslavement Busness's, The Pagan Idolaters Beduin/Arabs & CO., and suddenly turned islamic via their mono-god? {not OUR} , Stole or hijacked them Aegyptian, not Indian, Israeli Abrahamic-Biblio-Characters; Mr. ISHMAEL & Mr. ESAU, via the Most Evil Stories ever told/written Book of their {not OUR} Drunkin [racist] Noah Enforcement Storys!

Now they recently STOLE "OUR" Technology's and are calling It their Own; or that WE {USA, Israel, India etc..) stole their Ideas 1st. Like 1st to invent NUCLEAR Technology?

OYE, VAYze Mir!

Farnaz Sheikhzabeh Masumian,52,
Lecturer on World Major Religions,Iranian Bahai(not Jew),Author of *Life After Death*,Wife of Armenian Bijan Masumian.
5720 Kempson Dr,Austin,TX 78735-1816

ALIAS ALERT:

Farnaz (Masumian)'s latest alias is possibly "Spark1"???

IN response to CNNL's rubbish

The stature of the Prophet (PBUH) is great indeed; as the author of the book "Islam and Modern Age" a Hindu professor wrote the following about Prophet Muhammad (PBUH):
"The personality of Muhammad! It is most difficult to get into the truth of it. Only a glimpse of it I can catch. What a dramatic succession of picturesque scenes. There is Muhammad the Prophet, there is Muhammad the General; Mohammad the King; Muhammad the Warrior; Muhammad the Businessman; Mohammad the Preacher; Mohammad the Philosopher; Mohammad the Statesman; Mohammad the Spokesperson; Mohammad the reformer; Muhammad the Refuge for orphans; Muhammad the Protector of slaves; Mohammad the Emancipator of woman; Muhammad the husband; Muhammad the father; Muhammad the educator; Muhammad the Law-giver; Muhammad the Judge; Muhammad the Saint and etc. In all these magnificent roles, in all these departments of human activities, he is like a hero! Orphan hood is an extreme form of helplessness and his life upon this earth began with it; Kingship is the height of material power and it ended with it! From an orphan boy to a persecuted refugee and then to an overlord, spiritual as well as temporal, of a whole nation and arbiter of its destinies, with all its trials and temptations, with all its vicissitudes and changes, its lights and shades, its ups and downs, its terror and splendor, he has withstood the fire of the world and came out unscathed to serve as a model in every face of life. His achievements are not limited to one aspect of life, but cover the whole field of human conditions."
A POOR SHEPHERD PEOPLE, ROAMING UNNOTICED IN ITS DESERTS SINCE THE CREATION OF THE WORLD: A HERO-PROPHET WAS SENT DOWN TO THEM WITH A WORD THEY COULD BELIEVE: SEE, THE UNNOTICED BECOMES WORLD-NOTABLE, THE SMALL HAS GROWN WORLD-GREAT; WITHIN ONE CENTURY AFTERWARDS, ARABIA IS AT GRENADA (Spain) ON THIS HAND, AT DELHI (India) ON THAT; -GLANCING IN VALOUR AND SPLENDOUR AND THE LIGHT OF GENIUS, ARABIA SHINES THROUGH LONG AGES OVER A GREAT SECTION OF THE WORLD. BELIEF IS GREAT, LIFE-GIVING. THE HISTORY OF A NATION BECOMES FRUITFUL, SOUL ELEVATING, GREAT, SO SOON AS IT BELIEVES. THESE ARABS, THE MAN MAHOMET, AND THAT ONE CENTURY, -IS IT NOT AS IF A SPARK HAD FALLEN, ONE SPARK, ON A WORLD OF WHAT SEEMED BLACK UNNOTICEABLE SAND; BUT LO, THE SAND PROVES EXPLOSIVE POWDER, BLAZES HEAVEN HIGH FROM DELHI TO GRENADA! I SAID, THE GREAT MAN WAS ALWAYS AS LIGHTNING OUT OF HEAVEN; THE REST OF MEN WAITED FOR HIM LIKE FUEL, AND THEN THEY TOO WOULD FLAME."
Thus concluded the speech of Thomas Carlyle, one of the greatest thinkers of the past century. It was Friday, the 8th of May 1840. His theme — "The Hero as Prophet" His audience: were Anglicans — English Christians.

CNNL:

Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) - Untainted and Pure
"After the fall of Mecca, more than one million square miles of land lay at his feet. Lord of Arabia, he mended his own shoes and coarse woolen garments, milked the goats, swept the earth, kindled the fire and attended the other menial offices of the family. The entire town of Medina where he lived grew in wealth in the later days of his life. Everywhere there was gold and silver in plenty and yet in those days of prosperity many weeks would elapse without a fire being kindled in the hearth of the king of Arabia; his food being dates and water. His family would go hungry many nights successively because they could not get anything to eat in the evening. He slept on no soft bed but on a palm mat, after a long busy day to spend most of his night in prayer, often bursting into tears before his Creator to grant him strength to discharge his duties. As the reports go, his voice would get choked with weeping and it would appear as if a cooking pot was on fire and boiling had commenced. On the very day of his death his only assets were few coins a part of which went to satisfy a debt and rest was given to a needy person who came to his house for charity. The clothes in which he breathed his last breath had many patches. The house from where light had spread to the world was in darkness because there was no oil in the lamp. Circumstance changed, but the Prophet of God did not. In victory or in defeat, in power or in adversity, in affluence or in indigence, he is the same man, disclosed the same character. Like all the ways and laws of God, Prophets of God are unchangeable."
Professor Ramakrishna Rao, "Islam and Modern Age"

There is nothing funny about the mostly weird and dangerous Islam: (only for the eyes of all Muslims who have not seen)

Mohammed was an illiterate, womanizing, lust and greed-driven, warmongering, hallucinating Arab, who also had embellishing/hallucinating/plagiarizing scribal biographers who not only added "angels"/"pretty, wingie thingies" and flying chariots to the koran but also a militaristic agenda to support the plundering and looting of the lands of non-believers.

This agenda continues as shown by the massacre in Mumbai, the assassinations of Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh, the conduct of the seven Muslim doctors in the UK, the 9/11 terrorists, the 24/7 Sunni suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the 24/7 Shiite suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the Islamic bombers of the trains in the UK and Spain, the Bali crazies, the Kenya crazies, the Pakistani “koranics”, the Palestine suicide bombers/rocketeers, the Lebanese nutcases, the Taliban nut jobs, and the Filipino “koranics”.

And who funds this muck and stench of terror? The warmongering, Islamic, Shiite terror and torture theocracy of Iran aka the Third Axis of Evil and also the Sunni "Wannabees" of Saudi Arabia.

Current crises:

The Sunni-Shiite blood feud and the warmongering, womanizing (11 wives), hallucinating founder.

Abhab

Your claim is lidicrous about muslims occuping the US. Is this your propaganda for vested interests?.
However it is Kashmir where the muslims are fighting for 60 years for their right of self-determination from the world's largest democracy and still nothing of that sort happen from which you cleaverly try to divert the attention of the readers.
Do you think educated people are stupid to buy your funny ideas.

jamil, jamil, jamil,

One billion Muslims? No!!

There are however about 800 million Sunnis and 200 million Shiites who cannot tolerate one another as evidenced by the civil war in Iraq and other 24/7 conflicts between these two groups. (what an inane religion!!)

These warring factions have been going at it for about 800 years because both sides suffer from their own Three B Syndrome, i.e. they were Bred, Born and Brainwashed in their own version of Islamic weirdness.

But there is an easy solution, i.e. The Easy Five Step Program to Cleanse Islam from One's Neurons:

Using "The 77 Branches of Islamic "faith" a collection compiled by Imam Bayhaqi as a starting point. In it, he explains the essential virtues that reflect true "faith" (iman) through related Qur’anic verses and Prophetic sayings." i.e. a nice summary of the Koran and Islamic beliefs.

"1. Belief in Allah"

aka as God, Yahweh, Zeus, Jehovah, Mother Nature, etc." should be added to your cleansing neurons.

"2. To believe that everything other than Allah was non-existent. Thereafter, Allah Most High created these things and subsequently they came into existence."

Evolution and the Big Bang or the "Gib Gnab" (when the universe starts to recycle) are more plausible and the "akas" for Allah should be included if you continue to be a "creationist".

continued below:

"3. To believe in the existence of angels."

A major item for neuron cleansing. Angels/devils are the mythical creations of ancient civilizations, e.g. Hittites, to explain/define natural events, contacts with their gods, big birds, sudden winds, protectors during the dark nights, etc. No "pretty/ugly wingy thingies" ever visited or talked to Mohammed, Jesus, Mary or Joseph or Joe Smith. Today we would classify angels as fairies and "tinker bells". Modern devils are classified as the demons of the demented.

"4. To believe that all the heavenly books that were sent to the different prophets are true. However, apart from the Quran, all other books are not valid anymore."

Another major item to delete. There are no books written in the spirit state of Heaven (if there is one) just as there are no angels/"pwtfft"s to write/publish/distribute them. The Koran, OT, NT etc. are simply books written by humans for humans.

Prophets were invented by ancient scribes typically to keep the uneducated masses in line. Today we call them fortune tellers.
Prophecies are also invalidated by the natural/God/Allah gifts of Free Will and Future.

"5. To believe that all the prophets are true. However, we are commanded to follow the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) alone."

Mohammed spent thirty days fasting in a hot cave before his first contact with Allah aka God etc. via a "pretty wingy thingy". Common sense demands a neuron deletion of #5. #5 is also the major source of Islamic violence i.e. turning Mohammed's "fast, hunger-driven" hallucinations into horrible reality for unbelievers.

Accept these five "cleansers" and the Islamic world will be singing "Peace, Peace at Last!!!"

If the following "explanatory memorandum" is truly the agenda of some organization(s)inside our country,it sounds suspiciously seditious, Here's the key paragraph:
"The process of settlement [of Islam in the United States] is a "Civilization-Jihadist" process with all the word means. The Ikhwan (Muslim Brotherhood) must understand that all their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and "sabotaging" their miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God's religion is made victorious over all religions. Without this level of understanding, we are not up to this challenge and have not prepared ourselves for Jihad yet. It is a Muslim's destiny to perform Jihad and work wherever he is and wherever he lands until the final hour comes, and there is no escape from that destiny except for those who choose to slack."
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/opinion/columnists/rdreher/stories/DN-dreher_09edi.ART.State.Edition1.4235f88.html

Islam is here on this planet for the last 1400 years. It is a practicing religion, not just based on Friday prayers or else rituals. Is this something new which came to light after 9/11 only?.
As a matter of fact mankind is once again turning towards religion. The neo-con and Bush Blair lead the world to wage wars based on their religious beliefs.
Then there is a revival of extreme Hinduism in India but as usual until now no one bother about it. The Jews are punishing Palestinians because of their religious convictions. In such a climate there is nothing unusual to be discovered about Islam.
What secular views the American state cherished do not matter as much as the alarming point that when an American President comes in guise with hidden religious extreme sentiments then he can wage dangerous wars in the world and even one which can lead to a third world war.
Islam is a religion practiced by more than one billion people, no one can finish them by might or otherwise.
It is even more difficult to change the local culture and values which are being practiced by the people in different parts of the world. If we have any fear this is our own created, we have the right to secure our selves and our homeland but we do not have the right to wage wars in far flung place based upon false apprehensions.
You cannot win any war anywhere without the support of the people of the land, what ever their belief might be, in present day it is Islam so all the grudge for not winning is against Islam.

Rabbi Wolpe,

As much as I admire you, were it up to me religion(s) would be abolished. If people absolutely must believe in a supernatural being, let it be the same one for all, devoid of the dogma (and resulting evil) that each religion inherently instills in people.

When I was a young girl, I dreamed of an earth where only one language was spoken, without borders to keep people in or out, without wars and with equal rights and responsibilities for all. Where children would be nurtured and loved not only by their families, but the communities as a whole. Where old people weren't shoved into a retirement homes that are sterile and one's only escape is death.

Ahhh, Utopia!

And believe it or not, I arrived there without any religion at all.

I know that this post does not speak to the issue at hand, so to say, but if this Utopia of mine could be achieved, there wouldn't be any discussions of this sort on the internet.

I'm at odds with the fact that these Islamists, who claim to be most high in the teaching of their "religion", educated in free world universities and have as much wealth as can be imagined have stood before the world and threatened the annailation of Christians and Jews calling us the "devil" and our free world does not consider this a religious war.
Perhaps it is not considered a religious war to you sir "of elegant prose and an over educated mind" but to many of us it is exactly that. There should not be any denial it is plain.
As far as the free world being as bad... well I agree there are murderers, rapists, theives, and all manner of abnormal aberrations but there is also a legal system and it tries its best to stop these beings, it is not a perfect system as is plain but it will get better and is day by day.
As the threats and the acts are carried out many times over the years and continue daily my resolve is strengthened even more, the obvious is being denied.

I'm not into mysticism. So all religion is nonsense to me. But Islam is by far the worse. Wherever there is Islam there is death, suffering and oppression. And always conflict with others. Whether it be Muslims versus Christians, Jews, Hindus or anyone else, even other Muslims. They simply cannot get along with others who don't think like themselves. And their claim that Islam is a religion of "peace" would be utterly laughable if it was not so evidently the product of deranged minds.

For insights into Islam, this website is a must to see:

http://islam-the-monster-unchained.blogspot.com/

Correction. You're at war with an ideology that has existed for over a thousand years because your allegiance is to Israel and Israel is locked in a religious war with its neighbors.

My allegiance, on the other hand, is to America and America, a country one of whose bedrock principles is separation of church and state, has no business being locked in anybody's religious wars because in religious wars there are never any winners, only losers, and for good reason. The confluence of politics and religion that constitutes the essence of all religious wars is the most toxic poison of the human spirit there is and to be avoided at all costs -- as our wise forefathers tried to warn us.

So America has been dragged and deceived into the endless religious wars of the Middle East by its cowardly and self-serving politicians in one of the most tragic episodes in its existence and it remains to be seen if it will yet survive that profound act of moral and intellectual cowardice.

We will be at war with whoever threatens our security or try by violence or deceit replace our system of government.
If the Muslims belong to this category then we are at war with them. The excerpt cited below by a Muslim organization in this country looks suspiciously seditious enough.

“The process of settlement [of Islam in the United States] is a "Civilization-Jihadist" process with all the word means. The Ikhwan must understand that all their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and "sabotaging" their miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God's religion is made victorious over all religions. Without this level of understanding, we are not up to this challenge and have not prepared ourselves for Jihad yet. It is a Muslim's destiny to perform Jihad and work wherever he is and wherever he lands until the final hour comes, and there is no escape from that destiny except for those who choose to slack”.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/opinion/columnists/rdreher/stories/DN-dreher_09edi.ART.State.Edition1.4235f88.html

who ever labels a religion as satan is satan...Islam was before you..it will be after you...and you sir are the demonic entity that perpetuates hatred...
any idiot can say idiotic things...it takes a demon to try and whisper and try and persuade others to believe evil...

burn burn burn

More than 100 column inches of sound and fury signifying sound and fury!

Islam is the great Satan. Unfortunately, there is no middlew ground with these fanatics and the sooner Obama gets it, the better!

Too bad some of the comments smack of the very racism and terrorism their authors supposedly condemn. Equating the Israeli actions to those of the Taliban and comparing the deplorable conditions that exist in Gaza to an open-air concentration camp is both unjustified and a distortion of the facts!

what does the west do that is vaguely similar to the forced marriage...hmmmm let's see...well there's actual slavery...guess you've never heard of the women/girls sold into slavery right here...they call it human trafficking...sold to work as ladies of the evening...ever heard of that...how about some of those little spoken of backwoods incestual activities that rarely receive news coverage...how about all the missing children...how about the millions of dollars spent to keep the convicted pedophiles alive...you know you don't want them alive...child predators should be put down like the dogs they are...you know it in your hearts but you're afraid to say it...that's not extremist...that's protecting children who can't protect themselves...oh...back to your examples...those children who were sexually violated in the sanctity of the church...they are forced...they are children...and what are we doing about it...not enough...

the cluster bombs and mines we leave behind after we've hegemonically reduced sovereign nations to rubble is akin to forcing oneself upon another...no one is innocent in this mess...the cowards who viciously attack civilians are the scum of the earth...which ever hemisphere they hail from...i guess the west isn't to blame for the mass rapings in africa or the middle-east or even the disgusting sexual perversions of the west...we're not to blame for anything then...yeah right pal

We are at war in our country at this time. As the right fringe, conservatives, and religious right begin to join forces in an overblown mass hysteria created by the coming together of a black President, deficit spending, move toward a regulated capitalism, and a return to some higer taxes on the upper 5%-10%,I fear the type of war within our borders similar to the Sunni-Shiite conflicts in Iraq.

The people on the extreme left just want to be left alone so they can do their own thing. The people on the right want the same thing. The difference is that the people on the right want "small" conservative controlled government, but want to be able to have absolute control at the same time. The people on the right state basically that they are the only ones with morals, principles, and so forth. Yet they are the ones who are armed to the teeth and are ready to kill anyone who disagrees with their radical views. Perhaps some of you missed the "kill him" shouts in the rightwing rallies last year.

For me, I would like to see the formation of a large moderate base of citizens, equally split between right and left. I would like to see the rise of statesmanship, especially on the right. Long live Mr. Jefferson and Mr. Lincoln. May we truly understand what these men stood for and what they said.

Single most important war in the world right now is NOT the civil war within Islam as David Wolpe claims. Single most important war in the world right now is the one waged by Islam against other religions. Those Muslims who are against terrorism by fundamentalist Muslims right now will join hands once fundamentalist Muslims are victorious. When even democratically elected Karzai government surviving on US aid, deports an Afghan laborer for converting to Christianity and signs a law restricting women’s rights, it is impossible to find ‘open Islam’ in today’s world that David Wolpe is talking about.

Some people reason, others just hate.

Both are dispositions through which they view the world.

Wisdom takes the high road.

Let's not forget the jewish state and the zionist jews who murder innocent women and children, who have built the world largest open air concentration camp. Let's add these monsters right next to the Talibans.

"We are at war. We are at war with the part of Islam that persecutes women, sends suicide bombers in God's name into crowded markets, and threatens nuclear annihilation, claiming to love death."
No wonder the person who wrote above quote is Jewish rabi. To be fare, if this is written by Islamic Shiek the rest of us should believe all of that.
I shall be at war with Islam if mr. Rabi you quote here on this paper where in Islam says PORSECUTE WOMEN and BLOW YOURSELF OR EVEN HATE OTHERS BECOUSEOF THEIR BELIEVE?

WKorn wrote:

"Islam created the environment for the growth of the thugs."

I suggest you study the Old Testament, which is equally, if not more intolerant of and violent towards those who stood in the way of the Chosen People as the Koran is.
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Fortunately, the book of Joshua is just national myth using the genre of the period.

Islam is what Judaism would be, if Leviticus and Joshua were taken literally today.

Adrienne_najjar writes

"Islam created the environment for the growth of the thugs."

I suggest you study the Old Testament, which is equally, if not more intolerant of and violent towards those who stood in the way of the Chosen People as the Koran is.

There are extremist sects of every religion which cherry-pick their holy books to justify acts which their co-religionists (and everyone else) regard as heinous -- from the Taliban to the self-described "Christian Identity" movement (which believes that only whites have souls) to the ultra-orthodox Jews (who stone people who don't meet their vision of appropriate dress).

To disparage a whole religion for the actions of its most extreme members is no more or less repugnant than the views of the extremists themselves.

DARKMAN888 Wrote:"the west is in no moral position to dictate what is right or wrong in the world. we all know that the 8yr old girl situation is no better than what many western countries do to minors."

Like what? What do we do to minors that's vague similar than selling them into forced marriage? Occasionally they're killed; but our police track the perps down as best they can.

Does anything happen in the West that's vaguely similar to those 30 Pakistanis stoically watching a 17-year-old beaten?

the same idiots who vilify one religion at the expense of another are the same ones who spread mischief in the land. those same idiots are cowards who get others to do their dirty global deeds. you'd be surprised how well received folks would be if they stopped dictating to others how to live their lives. the exportation of democracy will always fail unless it is accompanied by bullets & bombs. and even then it will fail.

the west is in no moral position to dictate what is right or wrong in the world. we all know that the 8yr old girl situation is no better than what many western countries do to minors. not opinion. fact. whether or not it is sanctioned is irrelevant. the point is that it exists. no iraqi attacked americans. most of those nutjobs were saudis(our allies). what point are you folks trying to make. oh yeah. that ours is the biggest on the block, so might make right. more body bags unfortunately. those brave soldiers. and those evil power brokers who mistreat them.

Hi Rabbi,
You and the other Jews may be at war with the part of Islam that persecutes women, sends suicide bombers in God's name into crowded markets, and threatens nuclear annihilation, claiming to love death; but I wonder if you are also at War with the part of Christianity, Judahism, Hindism, and non-believers who have the same ideas? Another words, are you are war with their views and actions or at war with their religion??
If I was to judge the Jews by the wicked actions and views of the Zionist Jews; I could easily make the Jewish religion the root cause of this evil; or perhaps we should judge Christians by the inane, insane actions of George or Hitler or Muselini? You don't fight military wars to end beliefs or actions based on those beliefs, unless you are advocating mass genocide; are you?

Frankly, you sound like someone trying to build excuses for Israel! Should we be expecting more genocidial actions in Gaza? Maybe nuclear strike(s) in Iran? More destruction in Lebanon? Concentraion camps in occupied Palestine?

"We are at war. We are at war with the part of Islam that persecutes women, sends suicide bombers in God's name into crowded markets, and threatens nuclear annihilation, claiming to love death."

Let's see, that would be the part of Islam who . . . wait, it sounds like EVERY part of Islam.

Just getting a little tired of all this PC crap, coddling terrorists in the name of Allah. This is a religion which glorifies bloodshed, which is built on hate, which looks upon its own women as something less than human, in which Jihad is its first sacrament.

Time to call a spade a spade.

Our War on Terror and Aggression:

An update (or how we are spending or how we have spent the USA taxpayers’ money to eliminate global terror and aggression)

The terror and aggression via a Partial and Recent Body Count

1a) 179 killed in Mumbai/Bombay, 290 injured

1b) Assassination of Benazir Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh

2) 9/11, 3000 mostly US citizens, 1000’s injured

3) The 24/7 Sunni-Shiite centuries-old blood feud currently being carried out in Iraq, US Troops, 3,433 combat 844 non- hostile) and 91,403 – 99,794 Iraqi civilians killed, http://www.iraqbodycount.org/ and
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/casualty.pdf

4) Kenya- In Nairobi, about 212 people were killed and an estimated 4000 injured; in Dar es Salaam, the attack killed at least 11 and wounded 85.[2]

5) Bali-in 2002-killing 202 people, 164 of whom were foreign nationals, and 38 Indonesian citizens. A further 209 people were injured.

6) Bali in 2005- Twenty people were killed, and 129 people were injured by three bombers who killed themselves in the attacks.

7) Spain in 2004- killing 191 people and wounding 2,050.

8) UK in 2005- The bombings killed 52 commuters and the four radical Islamic suicide bombers, injured 700.

9) The execution of an eloping couple in Afghanistan on 04/15/2009 by the Taliban.

Continued below:

it's evil to be at war with folks because of their religion...unless that religion is trying to wipe out another...

Other elements of our War on Terror and Aggression:

1. Saddam, his sons and major henchmen have been deleted. Saddam's bravado about WMD was one of his major mistakes.

2. Iran is being been contained. (beside containing the Sunni-Shiite civil war in Baghdad, that is the main reason we are in Iraq. And yes, essential oil continues to flow from the region.)

3. Libya has become almost civil. Recently Libya agreed to pay $1.5 billion to the victims of their terrorist activities Apparently this new reality from an Islamic country has upset OBL and his “crazies” as they have threatened Libya. OBL sure is a disgrace to the world especially the Moslem world!!! Or is he???

4. North Korea is still uncivil but is contained. With the opening up of rail traffic between North and South Korea after 50 years and with the assistance of the US Navy in retrieving NK ships and personnel hopefully a fresh sense of civility is afoot.

5. North Korea was taken off the terrorist country list recently.

6. Northern Ireland is finally at peace.

7. The Jews and Palestinians are being separated by walls. Hopefully the walls will follow the 1948 UN accords and the Annapolis Peace Conference is at least somewhat successful. Unfortunately the recent events in Gaza has put this situation back to “square one”. And this significant stupidity is driven by the mythical foundations of both religions!!!

8. Bin Laden has been cornered under a rock in Western Pakistan since 9/11.

9. Fanatical Islam has basically been contained to the Middle East but a wall between India and Pakistan would be a plus for world peace. Ditto for a wall between Afghanhistan and Pakistan.

10. Timothy McVeigh was executed. Terry Nichols will follow soon.

11. Eric Rudolph is spending three life terms in prison with no parole.

12. Jim Jones, David Koresh, Kaczynski, the "nuns" from Rwanda, and the KKK were all dealt with and either eliminated themselves or are being punished.

13. Islamic Sudan, Darfur and Somalia are still terror hot spots.

14. The terror and torture of Muslims in Bosnia, Kosovo and Kuwait were ended by the proper application of the military forces of the USA and her freedom-loving friends. Radovan Karadzic was finally captured on 7/23/08 and is charged with genocide, crimes against humanity and violations of the law of war -- charges related to the 1992-1995 civil war that followed Bosnia-Herzegovina's secession from Yugoslavia.

15. And of course the bloody terror brought about the Japanese, Nazis and Communists was with great difficulty eliminated by the good guys.

Justin write *What do you call the Crusaders*
Invasion of Spain was 711,but,first Crusaders were in late Eleven Century.Who was right ?

*It was not the ideology of nazism that we(I thing you mean Americans,not yourself) were at war with.It was the Nazis*
How can you write such a funny thing ?
Nazi means one who follows nazism and whose brain washed by ideology of nazism.
Nazi is nazism.

Someone says *islam is incompatible with western values/Civilization*(Do you object) and you reply *Western Civilization was the most aggressive force...*
What you write can not be the answer what written by the poster.
Is islam/submission compatible with Contemporary Values or not ? Please,reply this.

as long as we're also at war with a religion that turns a blind eye to molestation, racism, & apartheid

The Rabbi is merely proving what God has revealed:

2.120
"And the Jews will not be pleased with you, nor the Christians until you follow their religion. Say: Surely Allah's guidance, that is the (true) guidance. And if you follow their desires after the knowledge that has come to you, you shall have no guardian from Allah, nor any helper. "

God's response:

3.61

" If any one disputes in this matter with thee, now after (full) knowledge Hath come to thee, say: "Come! let us gather together,- our sons and your sons, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves: Then let us earnestly pray, and invoke the curse of Allah on those who lie!"

3.64
"Say: "O People of the Book! come to common terms as between us and you: That we worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners with him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than Allah." If then they turn back, say ye: "Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to Allah's Will). "

3.69-73

"It is the wish of a section of the People of the Book to lead you astray. But they shall lead astray (Not you), but themselves, and they do not perceive!

Ye People of the Book! Why reject ye the Signs of Allah, of which ye are (Yourselves) witnesses?

Ye People of the Book! Why do ye clothe Truth with falsehood, and conceal the Truth, while ye have knowledge?

A section of the People of the Book say: "Believe in the morning what is revealed to the believers, but reject it at the end of the day; perchance they may (themselves) Turn back;

"And believe no one unless he follows your religion." Say: "True guidance is the Guidance of Allah: (Fear ye) Lest a revelation be sent to someone (else) Like unto that which was sent unto you? or that those (Receiving such revelation) should engage you in argument before your Lord?" Say: "All bounties are in the hand of Allah: He granteth them to whom He pleaseth: And Allah careth for all, and He knoweth all things."

Simple Fact:
RELIGION IS MANKIND'S BANE!

Shouldn't we be at war with a culture and religion that forces an 8 year-old girl to marry a 50 year old man?

someone did just comment that all the 'terrorists' are islamists/muslims/moslems? how about we sugar-coat the following: So, we're against the alqaeda/taliban now, but we funded them before, right? Remember? Guess not, huh? Guess when they were at war with soviet russia, we were calling the same folks FREEDOM FIGHTERS/mujahidin, right? Forgot about that did yah? Like I said before, knock it off...
Oh! Do you think all those civilian iraqis were TERRIFIED when the coalition of the willing rolled in and killed THOUSANDS? How about those 500 ton bunker-busting bombs in afghanistan? Think that's terrifying? How about 1500 to 15 ratio of the israeli/palestinian slaughter? think that those folks aren't terrified? Do you think it's terrifying to see ol "W" get his troops to swoop in under the cover of night and destroy mesopotamia? Please don't make it so easy to dispel your propaganda...white phosphorus may be TERRIFYING...oops...did i say that...no one is stupid here...maybe naive in thinking that the global community can survive all this persecution...finally...what about the terrorism launched against the indigenous people of north america...I guess I had to save that little nugget for last...this ain't no joke folks...

Ahhhhhh!

APOCALYPTIC Thinking Life [in QUANTUM ENTANGLED 'PHOTONS'] is so. soo

'Superior' to those whom still Thinketh PRE-Apocalyptically in Biblical 'Light' Stories!

Pleazzza. Ye All? still hath "Religio Jealousy Pychosi's" & "Pre-Apocalyptic Syndrome." YA!

OYE VAY!

Dear Rabbi please do not forget to address GAZA, the Stern gang, illegal settlements etc etc. After that you are free to fan hatred.
I believe there are crazies in all groups and religions.
And BTW, was Hitler a Christian terrorist?

I disagree. Islam created the environment for the growth of the thugs. The whole culture needs to be wiped out. The future of Western Civilization is at stake. We need to stop being squeamish about it.

"I'd wipe 'em out. You're gonna kill innocent people at the same time, but we've never fought a damn war anywhere in the world where they didn't kill innocent people. If the newspapers would just cut out the [BS]: 'You've killed so many civilians.' That's their tough luck for being there."

Brigadier General Paul W. Tibbets, Jr., pilot of the Enola Gay

I understand that not all Islamist are terrorist but so far all terroists are Islamic.

Why are we sugar coating this? It was wrong for the Crusaders to have done what they did and it is wrong for Islamic extremist to do what they are doing!

It is also not helping when they kill a couple because they want to elope! What kind of religion is that?

Al Qaida and the Taliban aren't theological thugs - just thugs.

USA, not Taliban, started the war. The people from Islamic countries can say and do things USA doesn't like in their countries. It is their freedom. If USA does things they don't like, can they start a war with USA? The culprits that caused the 9/11 had all been accounted for and they are Saudi citizens, not Afgan citizens. If people instigates tragic troubles under the name of freedom, democracy and human right, will USA be punished? I hope you respect freedom of religion and speech of others as the Commandment says Love thy neighbor as thyself. Each religion has its own bad points. I hope you understand.

Excellent analysis justillthen!

david

I've got news for you and it's all bad!

Hello georgedixon1,

"Islam has been at war with the west since the invasion of Spain."

What do you call the Crusades? Four of them, I believe, where northern european warriors shipped off to the holy lands to conquer and retake what they thought was theirs.

"To say we are not at war with islam is to say that during world war 2 we were only at war with the German army...and not with the ideology which fueled it."

It was not the ideology of nazism that we were at war with in WWII. It was the Nazis. Ideology does not make war. People do, and the ideology that they form and stand for is just the conditioning of their lives. We were at war with an army that chose to invade other sovereign lands. That is what brought about the war. Not the ideology.

Islam does not invade other lands, just as christianity does not. It is the fanatical Christians that CHOOSE war and bring it to others that are the invaders.

"Islam is aggressive, incompatible with western values and a cancer on civilization."

Georgedixon1, western civilization has through history been one of the most aggressive forces on the planet, projecting force and influence, overt and covert, around the globe. Islamic mistrust and resentment of western powers has roots in how these peoples over centuries have been used and misused by western countries. We are at war now in no small part because of the choices we, (American and European powers), made while we had influence or control of their lands.

America, and Christians, do not have a rosy portfolio of benevolent goodness to present on the dais of morality and virtue.

Posted by: georgedixon1 | April 16, 2009 12:09 PM

We are not a Christian nation? We do not have a clerical regime? There is a sizeable minority in this country that takes exception to this, and, if they had their way, we would have us have a theocracy. Such zealots are not confined to the extreme fundamentalist fringes. Several Catholic bishops and cardinals have stated they will deny the holy sacraments to politicians that support legislation that is disapproved of by the church. Most notably this is directed at Catholic politicians who personally disapprove of abortion and gay marriage, but who will not support legislation to deny access to these acts to those who do not share their "theological" position. The Pope says that condoms are not as effective as abstinence in prevention of AIDS and out-of-wedlock pregnancies. This is not a scientific position; it is a theological position. It is true only if abstinence is universally practiced, which it isn't. He is not basing his position on what is, but on what should be, i.e., it is based on belief, not fact. Pressure from those religious extremists who place their religious beliefs above facts has resulted in legislation to prohibit teaching children effective birth control and disease control measures. The church's response to the negative results of unprotected sex is that this is "the wages of sin." Will a Catholic politician be excommunicated for voting for legislation to allow sex education and distribution of condoms? These just happen to be the hot button issues. What other restrictions would they place on those that don't subscribe to their beliefs if they had the power? Would they support withholding federal funds to non-Christian charitable organizations and educational institutions? How about non-Trinitarian Christians groups? These religious fanatics are successful in gaining support because they are addressing moral issues that transcend parochial religious belief, but as they gain power will they restrict their opposition to such universal issues? There is a myriad of issues that divide the Christian community, much less the inter-faith community, e.g., what is the correct form of baptism, what is the true nature of Christ, what is the correct form of the Lord's Prayer, etc. ad nauseum. Only a biased believer could deny that their faith has fewer unreasonable zealots than any other. Religion, by its very nature as a faith based system, is unreasonable as it gives greater creedence to factually unsubstantiaed beliefs over observable, independently verified facts. We will only continue to have a non-clerical government if we exercise eternal vigilance; the forces of unreason and superstition are continually working to undermine religious freedom, i.e., freedom to not practice as well as practice.

How many were slaughtered by the KKK(who say they're god-fearing christians)? How many priests violated children who trusted them? How many crusaders slaughtered civilian jews & muslims? How many millions of africans were sold & slaughtered by christians & jews? For every accusation pointed at muslims, there's another one to be pointed at christians & jews. So why try and point fingers? We didn't win in Irag, and we won't win in Afghanistan. Why? Because you can't defeat a belief with bullets & soldiers. Who supplied Iran & Iraq with weapons to fight one another? Who supplies the countless addicts & gangs in america with the poison & arms? Who profits from misery? Who built the Iraqi & Afghan army? Who supplies literally every Muslim country with military support? Who is silent about the worse executioner on the planet(china)? Like I said, leave the b.s. at the door cause it won't work...spread your ignorance and hatred somewhere else so we as global citizens can try and get to our misled, angry bretheren and try and turn the tide of destruction & hatred

"But we are not a clerical regime, as with many Islamic countries, we do not grant special privileges to Christians, as Islamic lands do for Muslims, and there is no fealty or religious loyalty test."

Yet, we support a regime that does and, worse still, on the basis of race something unchangeable and not faith. That regime presides over the Jewish country of Israel. Simply rewrite the Rabbi's statement through simple substitution.

"But we are not an apartheid regime, as with Israel, we do not grant special privileges to Jews, as Israel does for Jews, and there is no fealty or racial loyalty (or citizenship) test."

As a muslim, let me quote Jesus (Isa), Rabbi, "take the plank out of your eye". Your sin of ommission is much worse than their sin of commission because what is hidden can NEVER be remedied! So, is that photo from Pakistan or Gaza???

You were at war with the Al Queda; thats all you should be fighting.

Al Queda is not Islam; in fact even the Taliban is not Islam.

The Taliban are followers of an Islamic school called Wahabism(aka Sallafism). This is only one school of the Sunni branch. This is the narrowest interpretation of Islam; it is full of hatred towards women, minorities and above all the other schools in Islam( Sufi, Shia, etc.)Whenever you hear of stonings, floggings,amputations,banning of music, you are hearing Wahabism at work.

The Wahabis have their base in Saudi Arabia and their world wide push is funded by the Saudies.

They scare all non Wahabi muslims. Their terror is such that no one wants to raise thei voice against them.

This is the fight; this is the war. If the USA had annalysed correctly and called it correctly, where would there be any question of a war against Islam? Moreover, more and more of muslims and muslim majority states would have joined the war, covertly if not openly.

Instead, the war became against a faith, a religion.In this war, every muslim has to be on Islam's side.

Very subtly, Obama is getting the war shifted from a war agaibnst Islam to a war against the fanatical fringe of Islam( the Wahabis).

And he is right. How can the USA ever carry on a war against a religion? At worst it can wage a war against a country( or countries) who claim to be Islamic or against a sect of Islam.

Sen

Unfortunately, the next front in this "war", will probably be an Israel run by the likes of Netanyahu and Lieberman...

Dear Rabbi,
Thank you for your thoughtful post. Please accept all apologies for the lunatic-barbarian responses above, the consequence of a soap box that the online media seems compelled to provide.

The spread of Islam has been accompanied by genocide, particularly in the Middle East, Persia, and what is now India, Malaysia and Indonesia. Countless millions were slaughtered in the name of Islam. Christians are not aware of this genocide. But a cursory reading of history will reveal that fundamentalist Islam is one of greatest threats to peace and progress the world has ever seen.

We are not at war with anyone except ourselves. War implies unity and sacrifice for a common goal. For many years, our government has taken money from average people and passed it indirectly to the rich and powerful. Alan Greenspan headed a commission which increased social security taxes in 1983. That increase was to set aside money for the baby boomers who would be retiring in the 21st century.

What did our government, our corrupt Congress and President do with the excess revenue collected from the social security tax increase? They didn't save it, they spent it, mostly on the military. That money went to defense contractors, owned by the rich. The government also kept interest rates low so that money became available for speculation, not to average Joes, but to real estate tycoons like Donald Trump. Those guys got rich. Average people lost their pensions and often their healthcare coverage, while the richest 1% got richer and richer. Greenspan came on TV, saying that adjustable rate mortgages were good and that derivatives were a wonderful invention. These things were good for the realtors and their rich controllers. This happened in other countries, including Canada, but it was more extreme in the US than anywhere in the world. Newspapers kept quiet about this change.

Now the rich and their idiotic spokespeople, like Rush Limbo, want people to buy individual health insurance policies- they claim that this is the answer. However, the average health expenditures per person, in the US, are $7500 per year. How could a janitor, a carpenter or postman with a family of four come up with $30,000 per year for healthcare? They can't. it's because the poor have gotten a small slice of the pie while the Donald Trumps and Leona Helmsleys got rich. If we cut out the profits of the insurance companies, the cost would fall to $5500 per year, but the average family still can’t find $22,000 extra per year while paying mortgage or rent, food, etc.

Continued military spending will bankrupt our country, but not just yet. Why then has Mr. Obama proposed to increase military spending in spite of massive economic problems? Not to fight Islamic lunatics, who pose no problem to those of us who mind our own business. Every government tries to hoodwink its people to build up the rich and powerful. That's true of both Democrats and Republicans. Now you see Republicans saying don't tax the rich because I hope to get rich some day. They are fools as are those who believe that the Democrats will actually help little people rather than big corporations.

That's why empires rise and fall. Power corrupts and the more power that a government has, the more it misbehaves. We are on our way down. Forget about Islam, think about how you can raise food when you have neither job nor electricity.

KBM1;

you say;

"These people are nothing but arrogant, power hungry kafirs (unbelievers) who cannot distinguish between good and evil."

I say;

Unbelievers don't martyr themselves.
Unbelievers know there is no Sweet Hereafter. Unbelievers are usually on the side of sanity.

I have a problem with the idea we have to be "at war" with things we do not like. A rational process exists to deal with things around us we want to change. To call it "war" implies these things are bigger than us and are actually beating us. To imply this about groups of thugs is ridiculous. The civilized world will moderate them in due course. Without war.

"But we are not a clerical regime, as with many Islamic countries, we do not grant special privileges to Christians, as Islamic lands do for Muslims, and there is no fealty or religious loyalty test."

I must point out here the omission of Israel as an example of a clerical regime, especially in light of the recent election results there.

What began as a wonderful humanitarian effort to secure a homeland for the most persecuted of the world's citizens has deteriorated into a nation run by ultra-conservative, despotic rabbis who reserve to themselves the right to decide who is Jewish and who isn't and who urge ever more oppressive treatment of the Palestinians whom they displaced so many years ago. The angry and aggressive imams and ayatollahs have nothing on these guys when it comes to abusing their own society as well as their neighbors.

When a person of Jewish descent cannot marry or obtain the full benefits of citizenship in what is still referred to as their homeland, something is hugely wrong. I'd like to see some commentary on this.

A major difficulty has to do with the fact that Islam cannot be confronted for the absurdity of its supernatural beliefs by Christians or Hindus or Jews, who hold equally absurd supernatural beliefs.
It's Religion itself - and the ancient superstitions it promotes - that make it impossible to talk 'sense' to Islam.

And like Sam Harris says;

"In thinking about Islam, and about the risk it now poses to the West, we should imagine what it would take to live peacefully with the Christians of the fourteenth century - Christians who were still eager to prosecute for crimes like host desecration and witchcraft. We are in the presence of the past. It is by no means a straightforward task to engage such people in constructive dialogue, to convince them of our common interests, to encourage them on the path to democracy, and to mutually celebrate the diversity of our cultures."
"The End of Faith" by Sam Harris. p.152

okay...here we go...saudis & child marriage...how about christians cannibalisation of children in the crusades...how about the catholics sodomy of countless boys in america...how about the salem witch trials that burnt women...how about american slavery in the name of christianity(africans are less than human and have no souls idea)...I told you guys to knock it off with the one-sided non-sense so there can be an objective debate...I'm not saying 8 year old marriage is fine and dandy...but the way to paint a clear picture is to match that against the U.S. landscape of the KKK's actions in the name of Christianity...the Catholic Priest's sodomy...and the many other unacceptable things that folks do and attach religion to it...stop the nonsense...your arguments are one-sided, weak and transparent...bring something that will help...not harm...

Hello demtse,

"We have enough "idealogical thugs" right here in THIS country, to worry about. We should not be worried about those in far off places like Afganistan. The only reason the US fears Al Quada and the taliban is because of their proximity to Israel."

I am not a big one for carrying a war on terrorists half way around the world and into the heart of islamic countries and the cradle of civilization. But you do have it wrong here, or at best only partially correct. Just look at 9/11 for reasons to be concerned. That is the reason our esteemed past leadership took us into Afghanistan. 9/11 was not perpetrated by homegrown "ideological thugs". The next step into Iraq was only obvious, (that is if you are a beady eyed neo-con). But the Taliban regime was a near prefect fit for an al-Quaida and that brewing ground is being re-heated now and brewed again not only in the Pakistans but all around the globe.

I agree that we are at war (or should be) with that part of Islam that treats women like dirt. And we should also be at war with that part of Judaism that treats women like dirt. Which is a significant part, by the way, especially in Israel.

With the so called "moderate" Muslims not even raising their voices against extremism, we have to wonder if there is indeed moderate Islam. How come no Muslim sees 57 Islamic nations, in and of itself, an insult to rest of humanity? Most of them have zero or very small non-Muslim population with severely restricted rights.

Also if there are bombings and beheadings almost every day, is that really an exception? That seems like the norm to me.

Exposure is the best policy...yesterday the Saudi government refused to annull a marriage by a 60 year Saudi to a 8 year old child,bear in mind that muhammed was married also to child...exposure is the best policy. The world is awaking to islams hiprocracy.

The argument goes bad after the statement "We are at war." In any war, there are always diplomatic and propaganda initiatives to find common ground with supporters of one's adversaries.

The Taliban and their ilk, like extremists in other places, try to exploit the language of the religion of their communities to gain power. There is no reason to yield Islam to their self-serving and destructive interpretations. In past conflicts, a critical strategy is to find a way to speak the language, both linguistic and cultural, of the adversary's civilian population. There are many points of commonality between Islamic and Christian (and Jewish) values, and there are benign and positive interpretations of passages of the Quran that the extremists use to justify their violence. It should be possible to find qualified Islamic scholars to explain a positive view of their own faith to their co-religionists, and if such people were hard to find, it would be possible to train agents in the ways of the other side. Whether you call it psy-ops or cultural empathy, it is both possible and necessary to understand how the other side thinks and feels.

America has learned, in Vietnam, Lebanon, Somalia, as well as many of the wars it has won, that technology, skill, and valor are not enough to win. As with Germany and Japan, we need to allow the enemy to become our friend by explaining to them the common human values that we share and how we are better off cooperating than fighting. Extremists will still go down fighting, but the majority of people everywhere just want to live safe, prosperous, and enlightened lives. It is not Islam but simply a sense of injustice that fuels anti-Western extremism, and that's a field where democracies can win. We need to understand that the real enemies are poverty, tyranny, and ignorance.

Bush and his cronies forgot the reasons America was founded, that liberty isn't just a word to motivate soldiers but a covenant between the government and the governed. Barack Hussein Obama should be able to find people who can speak to that part of the world.

For those who say we(America) is at war with Muslims & Islam, current events point to that being the truth. Anyone who tracks recent history may draw that conclusion. However, some of the nut-jobs that give any credence to the reasoning for such attacks needs to look at not only the other two major religions, but they also need a reality check. Check the historical facts of all the religions and stop trying to make this an Islam/Muslim bashing session. It's not like Muslims/Islam is going anywhere. Neither are Judaism or Christianity. I say that since all three have a commonality in Abraham, let's try and co-exist as best as can be expected. There was a time when this happened folks. Maybe not ideally, but it did happen. Even the novice can look at the history channel, or pick up a book, or do a google search to prove that all three lived relatively peacefully at some point. It's disgusting to read some of these extremist non-Muslim hate-mongers on this thread. Your arguments have more holes than the grains of sand on the planet. Back off the hate-mongering and enjoin righteousness and good deeds. For every attack that is hurled at Muslims/Islam, there are the same that can be hurled at other religions. Wisdom is knowing there will always be differences. Ignorance is intolerance.

The Islamists in this country will ultimately need to decide to be part of a democracy and be subject to its rule of law. The law that is for the most part applied better than anywhere in the world. We cannot afford to let the Islamists practice their warped law in this or any other democratic country. That is pure and simple. If you don't believe it look how they try to use the rule of law in Germany to implement their own crazy law/religion.

The founders of this great republic founded it on the principle of freedom of religion and from religion. This country must never allow itself to be steered by any religion. Our independence is our strength.

There is a lot of confusion about the Western Civilization being or not at war with Islam. This is quite understandable. In the West, we are used to look at religion in a much different way than Muslims do - in the East, Middle East and Northern Africa.

To compound the confusion, we have President Obama making some really weird statements:
1. "... we are not and will never be at war with Islam". (How on earth does he know what will happen in the future? Is his cristal ball so much better than, say, our own?)
2. United States is not a Christian nation! (Doesn't he know that U.S. is indeed a Christian nation or are we to patiently wait for the President to eventually discover this fact sometime in the remote future?)

For one President, and in such a short time-span, Obama is dumping too much garbage on the nation. Much too much! Even if the American people can take it until the next elections, the President ought to be a little more considerate.

There is an uncomfortable truism that we must all accept: Nobody likes Muslims - not even the Muslims themselves. Therefore, since we do not have to live near them, nor "love them dearly", we should simply mind our own business, always at a distance. At as great a distance as humanly possible.

We are not fighting "Islamic extremists".

These people are nothing but arrogant, power hungry kafirs (unbelievers) who cannot distinguish between good and evil.
I hope sooner than later people will unite to eradicate this evil influence.

Oh yea about our President. Newsflash: United States of America formed based on freedom of Religion.!!!Morons. Itiots!!! I'm from Roger Williams land and he was a pioneer 200 years ago who let everyone, even the non-believers live harmoniously together under common rules and laws. Get over their customs, they got over ours. Someday our three faiths will become one weather you like it our not. As the Truth comes out of the Dead Sea, as His prophets visions and dreams come true in reality, only one thing will remain on the battlefield of Earth, and those will be the children of God, and them only. March forward in Gods army and unite beyond borders, walls and fear. Think Freedom of Religion world wide and we have common cause, can't you all see that yet? WAKE UP, red, yellow, gold, blue, we are all fortunate to have met you. We all have GHOSTS, but we all do not have fear. Pope/Sha/Ghandi/Dali Momma, sup yo?
Were ya at? CAt got ya tongue? Peace.

Dan Diner in his Lost in the Sacred argues, more theoretically than factually I admit, that Islam is unable to accept modernization and secularization. It would seem that those who think otherwise supply some proof. Islam is like Judaism and Christianity without their evolution away from fanaticism, intolerance, and sheeer violence.

Rabbi, I enjoyed very much your YouTube debate with Sam Harris, although I side with him. "Faith" can be defined as that which one is willing to believe without evidence. "Prejudice" can be defined the same way. Our society usually uses "faith" to refer to an unsubstantiated belief with which we approve (e.g. the dignity of every human being) and "prejudice" to those we don't (e.g. racial superiority).

Look at these statements:
A marriage is only between a man and a woman
All organisms came into existence about the same time
A fetus deserves all the protections of a human being

Are they statements of faith or prejudice? My answer is: faith and prejudice are the same thing.

What prejudices do we see in Islam? We see belief in the righteousness of duplicating the behaviors of their prophet Muhammed. He was, by leaps and bounds, the least deserving of any prophet of a major faith -- a military man who held women in low regard, used his might to get rich, and sent many people to death.

It's as if Judaism was not about the laws of Moses, but the conquests of Joshua.

I can hear the chatter of bones grinding upon bones, old in age, crumbeling, decaying, fallen stone to dust. When will hate conquer Love? So till hate's end I will pursue it and hate alone...Children of God, you are but children. Lay down your arms and rest, for the our of our redemption is upon us all. In Faith we learned to see God, in life we've learned to obey, respect and uphold Justice. It is time to bring Gods world together, between Brothers of God, with God, by God and not with any current non-believers. It is time to draw a new line in the sand, the worlds cry for its gardener begs for water, storms create the best remedies, waves form our coasts. From sea to sand through walls and lines in sand. Truth can be seen by real men, who are men of God, not the believers in sectarianism nor evil. First to change the world, to put it in order, the families of Abraham, my blood and all Gods childrens lineages, will unite, undivisible from the bottem up, aka, internet, and overwhelm worldwide pessimism, hate, prejudice and lies, lies and more lies. Eat dolphin safe (: Bzzz

Great article Rabbi Wolpe. Thanks for writing it.

I am a committed Christian, and I heartily recommend Rabbi Wolpe's book _Why Faith Matters_.

I think Wolpe nails it here. I don't want to live in a country where persons of any faith or none(!) are persecuted because of faith itself or lack of it. Nevertheless, let us vigorously bring criminals to justice, and let that justice be swift and terrible. That includes justice for Islamic terrorist who kill in the name of God and those fanatical Christians who kill abortion doctors for the same reason (for the record, I don't FAVOR abortion, but I also don't favor criminalizing it--my positions on abortion or homosexuality are peripheral to my acceptance of the Gospel of Christ).

Theocracies are JUST TERRIBLE. The evidence is so overwhelming that there's no need to rehearse the evidence here. Let's oppose them wherever they exist and strive mightily to avoid one here in the USA.

Ooopppsaaa:

Please Mark YE Calandates: Remember;
09.09.09?
10.10.10?
11.11.11?
12.12.12?
13.13.13?

Incamera {Secret): After these dates, what ever happens, that the Prophecy, of OUR 'Holy Cosmic Feelers Faith' predicts that All of Space-Ship Earth's 3-Major "iNFIXUS-BOOKS" {Chumash/Bible, Geeta/Kangyurs & Quran/Korans) will be UNITED {"JO{K}TAN"-ized} , not DIVIDED {"PEL{E}G"-ized} as Promised!

YES! The long awaited Holyi-Cosmic TRUE (opposite MYTH-ilogical) "O.ne U.niversal R.eligion" BEHOLD;

A-[OUR]-NEW-SONG, coming from All & Every one of ye, man-made, but "humbly intentioned", Old-Songs! Soo,

This [RELIGIOUS insight & Pattern Recognition or Deeper Prophecy] is the 'Script' & VOGUE to FOCUS-on to Globally usher-in genuine-PEACE

Paz, Shalom, Slaam, Zhingyu, Ahimsa, Mir, Freidin.. as promised in All OUR 3-Major Infixus {Plurality} Book(s)! Hence

O.U.R. Becoming a SINGULARITY. Yes!

G-D [IT] becoming what one is or will [inevitably] be-comming! For Proof?

Please see any-Chumash/BiBLE @ PSALM:68:4 & its compliment EXO:3;14. [scripture's] But also

Please see Holy-i MANNA @ JOSH:5:12 & REV:2;17 Scripture's]

Please see: Any QURAN/koran @ Holy-i UMMA [2:143 sura's]

Please see Any GEETAa/Kangyur @ Holy-i KARMA [6:43 Stanza's].

Note: For any WORLD PEACE to become a reality , even if it lasts 1,000 years (Rapture or End of Times or not) that it begins with HUMANS & ends with Us HUEMATES! [No longer Humans!

HARK! "The HEALING OF NATIONS" is unstoppable! And The Sceptor, Rod & Crowns is removed from between "King-DAVID's" {Chumash/Bibles} Feet & Queen-FHATIMA's {Quran/Koran} feet and Prince & Princes RAMMA {Geeta/Kangyur} feet or rehlm!

Pleasssa. Don't be in denial [Of the NEW-Prophecy] to selves nor others, especially loved ones!

Islam has been at war with the west since the invasion of Spain.

To say we are not at war with islam is to say that during world war 2 we were only at war with the German army...and not with the ideology which fueled it.

Islam is aggressive, incompatible with western values and a cancer on civilization.

We have enough "idealogical thugs" right here in THIS country, to worry about. We should not be worried about those in far off places like Afganistan. The only reason the US fears Al Quada and the taliban is because of their proximity to Israel.

These people are not Muslim at all. When an anti-abortion activists murders a doctor in Pensacola FL, does anyone call him a Christian terrorist? No. We know Christianity doesn't condone murder, but his last words were "I know St Peter will greet me at the gates to Heaven."

These people are power-hungry criminals who use Islam as a tool for their own end. We accept it only because we don't know very much about Islam. But there are plenty of Islamic scholars out there who totally refute the concepts of Jihad. And mathematically, 99.7% of all Muslims reject it too.

The smartest thing we could do in this fight would be to stop calling these people Muslim or Islamic extremists or anything other than criminals. When we call them Islamic extremists, we simply validate their claim to Islam, and we encourage young Muslims to investigate their cause.

They are not Muslim - they are criminals. Stopping offending Muslims by accepting at face-value what a lying, power-hungry, tyrannical criminal tells you.

America & Friendly's;

Please, "... If Ye Knoweth, Smell or see something fishy, Not Kosher or not Hallal, then please please say something!"

Beware The Day: 09.09.09 {999} , aka Sept.9th.2009, opposite 06.06.06 {666} of this coming post "DURBAN-2" fiasco!

Never forget, post "DURBAN-1" and its 09.11.01 aftermath in New York City; & the
03.11.2002 train bombing in Madrid & Other Islamic Mystical Numberd Prophecy Systems via their Clanish/Tribal beliefs & via their self-serving HISTORY MAKERS? aka ATTENTION Attention Attention [non islamic] world(s)?.."

"Fanatical-Containment" means "Biblical-Containment", as if in, "WMD"! So

A Islamic "Shia-A-Bomb & a Islamic "Sunni-A-Bomb" must never be allowed! So

If U.S.A.s "PLUTOCRACYs, not OLIGARCHYs, can magically, suddenly, willingly & knowingly come-up with 3-Three Trillion Dollars [3,000,000,000,000,000?] to prop-up it's Own Nation in order to prevent an Economic Black-Hole/Callapse & help some of it's Friends? THEN

Why give 1-RED-CENT to a "Shia-A-Bomb Pakistan, {a poor 3rd World Nation?} now also known as "The VANGUARD OF 'AL TAQIYA'" or "Al Islam" instead of "Containing" {Giving Up to the likes of the IAEA or surrender them to the U.N's SECURiTY COUNCIL} their own Weapons of Mass Destruction 1st.

Note: Don't Kid Yeselves Sweet Sweet, Genuine, AMERICAN(s)!

Be carefull of them Jealoust Atheist/Agnostic pretending, so called (not) Atheists, CHINESE & RUSSIAN "COMMiES"? whom suddenly turned or morphed into Us "CAPITALISTS in disquise?"
With Dagger in Hand or Poison; that

They {CHina-Men/Womb & Russia-Men/Womb} Like Satan, DEvil, Jinn, Kali, Dragan's etc.. They [Commies turned Capitalists] Smile, call you "Brother" or "Sister" now, but always plan to out-fox or Sucker-US via ill-Will , i.e. via Snoopings, Chess-GAMES, Sharades etc.. & not Good-Will!

They Think That Time is on their Side for the 'iNEVITABLE' [Callapse of Sweet Sweet U.S.A 1st, not Isreal!??

Wrong!!! We are also at war with the foundations of Islam which are the root cause of Islamic violence.

Wrong!!! We are also at war with the foundations of Islam that is the root cause of Islamic violence.

To wit:

Mohammed was an illiterate, womanizing, lust and greed-driven, warmongering, hallucinating Arab, who also had embellishing/hallucinating/plagiarizing scribal biographers who not only added "angels"/"pretty-ugly wingie thingies" and flying chariots to the koran but also a militaristic agenda to support the plundering and looting of the lands of non-believers.

This agenda continues as shown by the massacre in Mumbai, the assassinations of Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh, the conduct of the seven Muslim doctors in the UK, the 9/11 terrorists, the 24/7 Sunni suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the 24/7 Shiite suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the Islamic bombers of the trains in the UK and Spain, the Bali crazies, the Kenya crazies, the Pakistani “koranics”, the Palestine suicide bombers/rocketeers, the Lebanese nutcases, the Taliban nut jobs, and the Filipino “koranics”.

And who funds this muck and stench of terror?

The warmongering, Islamic, Shiite terror and torture theocracy of Iran aka the Third Axis of Evil and also the Sunni "Wannabees" of Saudi Arabia.

Current crises:

The Sunni-Shiite blood feud and the warmongering, womanizing (11 wives), hallucinating founder.

I agree that we are in a serious struggle with recidivist elements of Islam. Certainly most Muslims do not want to be at "war" with us but there are enough Muslims who sympathize with anti-modern murderous elements so that we must look at them all with deep suspicion.

I wish it wasn't so and my compassion forces me to seek peace and well being of all people, including Muslims. My deepest hope and prayer is that the compassion flows both ways and we can live in peace.