Why Islam Needs an Apology

Again: The Bottom line:

Muslims demonize themselves via the history of Islam as seen in their founder, an illiterate, hallucinating, warmongering, greedy and lust-filled, long-dead Arab. As long as the Worst Book Ever Written ,aka the koran, is the operating manual of Islam, Muslims of any stripe cannot be trusted.

And considering the extensive bearing of false witness on this blog by one Farnaz Masumian aka Spark1 aka Stadtbear aka Observer12 aka Observer31 aka Yael1 aka ivri5678 aka Billy8 aka nadinebatra aka ????, one could make the same case about members of the Baha'i "faith"!!!

Also, WmarkW:

"To Islam:

I am very sorry that your society is the most backwards on earth, and that most of you lack the educational basis to advance."

If you think you're giftes with such superior intelligence, WTF good do you think *that's* supposed to do, you F'n geek?

If you really think half the world is operating on that kind of intellectual level, and you're somehow better, *get over yourself.*

Gods.

What is this, the Internet, or something?

Kind of failing to see how our over-armed populace is supposed to be quaking, here.

Gods, it's not like one of the axioms of *m* life as a do-goding queer isn't 'The bad guys always bring plenty of weapons.'

I think we can chill about anyone invading America. I can shoot, needs be, averse to bloodshed as I am.

Meanwhile, back in reality...

Deb

India has spread a network of its RAW in afghanistan which is spreading such vidios and it is part of a propaganda war.
Dont you worry, talban will be tamed before your life is threatened in kolkata by them.

What DebChatterji posted was from the Website of

Islamabad Observer
Pakistan Studies Group

Gives the impression of the arm of some intelligence agency. Who does this group belong to? What is its affiliation? Who are the members of this group? Where do its finances come from?

President Obama is viewed by many Muslims in and outside USA as "our man in the White House" because of his Muslim ancestry.

Regarding the Taliban's spread of Sharia rule in Pakistan, this is from CNN. You need to read it, and then figure out of Deepak Chopra's call for apology is good or not.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/04/21/pakistan.taliban/index.html

Soon, what Obama will do about radical Islam needs to be seen. He has not ruled out 'talking' to the Taliban. Methinks that would be worst mistake a liberal, democract US President can make. Pakistan initially gave Taliban to rule the SWAT valley with the Sharia laws. (The video is posted in an earlier message on this blog.) But, the Taliban initially agreed and now after they have regrouped and gathered power, they have asked for enforcing Sharia all over the Pakistan. Well, we bloggers can pontificate as much as we want about "democracy in Pakistan" etc. Just goes to show our ignorance.

To Frankbd:

I am sorry that you have chickened out. I did deliberately post that ghastly video, which details how Taliban are following Islam in the SWAT region of Pakistan.

FYI, most of the blogs on Islam are full of bleeding-heart liberal apologists of how and why Bush made an "unjust" war on Islam etc. The liberal Deepak Chopra, living in his comfy house in California is selling his wishy-washy ideology because its suits him and his stupid readers. The video I posted was intentionally meant to provoke readers, make them angry and paralyzed with the ghastliness of Sharia in action in SWAT valley, and hence to challenge by way of graphic depiction that the entire world, regardless of any political affiliation must rise up and destroy Islam. This can happen ultimately in the form of an Armageddon between Islam and non-Islam, and not through Islam apologists chicken sh*% like Deepak Chopra.

On the overall approach of combating Islam, Bush Jr. was absolutely right. This is the Islam (as in the video) we need to destroy else we (non-Islamic) shall be destroyed.

To DebChatterjee: I watched the first ten second of your video and turned it off. I would have been very interested to see actual information about anti-democratic practices in Islamic lands, but when you start with a pic of a severed head against a backdrop of flames, I will assume that no useful and unbiased information is coming.

Actually Deepak Chopra and others must watch this video and then think if islam needs an apology. This is Sharia in action, the accussed bears the brunt of the Islamic justice. (BEWARE GRAPHIC VIOLENCE SCENES. NOT FOR THE LIGHT HEARTED.)

http://islamabadobserver.com/2009/04/20/

Greetings,

In the Name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful:

I would never be so presumptious as to speak as though I had even a basic understanding of someone elses way of life so it is from this sense of politeness that I ask Mr. Chopra to stop "defending" Islam. He clearly has no concept of the deen and why should he? If there was not so much misunderstanding of Islam his comments might be just sad instead of the worst form of bigotry there is. As Allah, supanallah wa ta ala instructed the Messenger, the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, to tell mankind:
"It is He Who knows what is open in speech and what you hide (in your hearts).
"I do not know but that it may be a trial for you, and a grant of (worldly)livelihood (to you) for a time."
" Say: O my Lord! You judge in truth!" "our Lord Most Gracious is the One Whose assistance should be sought against the blasphemies you utter!" Surah 21:110-112

Always a fascinating thing to see, how the adherents of one religion can so clearly see the irrationality and just plain insanity of another, with explicit detail and condemnation - but they are never able to see the that their religion is just as irrational, mind-numbing and just plain insane.

All religions are at war with each other, their only common enemy is reason. All religions see the death of the enemy as justified by their gods, the more horrible and barbaric that death the better, followed by an eternity of further torture and mayhem upon the wrong-believer.

A virulent infection from our primitive past, that's all religion is. The sooner it rots away, the better.

What do 800 million Islamic Sunnis do everyday? They wake up hating 200 million Islamic Shiites!!!

e.g. The 24/7 Sunni-Shiite centuries-old blood feud currently being carried out in Iraq, US Troops killed 3,433 combat 844 non- hostile) and 91,403 – 99,794 Iraqi civilians killed, http://www.iraqbodycount.org/ and
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/casualty.pdf

Continued below:

e.g. From: http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/02/03/iraq.cleric.ap/index.html

"Al-Sistani was apparently referring to Abdullah bin Jabrain, a key member of Saudi Arabia's clerical establishment, who last month joined a chorus of other senior figures from the hardline Wahhabi school of Sunni Islam that regards Shiites as infidels.

Bin Jabrain described Shiites as "the most vicious enemy of Muslims."

Looks we should build a wall around the entire Middle East until these backward, immature, and irrationale clerics can have at it with each other.

More about the general Islamic population as per Ayaan Hirsi Ali

from her autobiography, "Infidel":

"Thus begins the extraordinary story of a woman born into a family of desert nomads, circumcised as a child, educated by radical imams in Kenya and Saudi Arabia, taught to believe that if she uncovered her hair, terrible tragedies would ensue. It's a story that, with a few different twists, really could have led to a wretched life and a lonely death, as her grandmother warned.

But instead, Hirsi Ali escaped -- and transformed herself into an internationally renowned spokeswoman for the rights of Muslim women."
ref: Washington Post book review.

four excerpts:

p. 47 paperback issue:

"Some of the Saudi women in our neighborhood were regularly beaten by their husbands. You could hear them at night. Their screams resounded across the courtyards. "No! Please! By Allah!"

p.68:

"The Pakistanis were Muslims but they too had castes. The Untouchable girls, both Indian and Pakistani were darker skin. The others would not play with them because they were untouchable. We thought that was funny because of course they were touchable: we touched them see? but also horrifying to think of yourself as untouchable, despicable to the human race."

p.309

"Between October 2004 and May 2005, eleven Muslim girls were killed by their families in just two regions (there are 20 regions in Holland). After that, people stopped telling me I was exaggerating."

p. 347

"The kind on thinking I saw in Saudi Arabia and among the Brotherhood of Kenya and Somalia, is incompatible with human rights and liberal values. It preserves the feudal mind-set based on tribal concepts of honor and shame. It rests on self-deception, hyprocricy, and double standards. It relies on the technologial advances of the West while pretending to ignore their origin in Western thinking. This mind-set makes the transition to modernity very painful for all who practice Islam".

Bottom line:

Muslims demonize themselves via the history of Islam as seen in their founder, an illiterate, hallucinating, warmongering, greedy and lust-filled, long-dead Arab. As long as the Worst Book Ever Written ,aka the koran, is the operating manual of Islam, Muslims of any stripe cannot be trusted.

Kudos to Deepak Chopra for speaking out against injustice and the creation of a mass scale guilt by association against Muslims.

World's 1.4 billion Muslims are not beheading their women on a daily basis nor are they invading other nations.

It was not Muslims who annihilated native Americans, nor did they destroy the Maya, the Inca, or Aztec civilizations.

No the Chechniyans did not occupy Soviet Russia, nor did the Palestinians destroy Jewish villages in Russia, Poland or Hungary.

No, the Holocaust crime was not committed by the Muslims, nor did the Egyptians invade Great Britain (Suez Canal?) , nor did the Afghans occupy the Soviet Union in the previous century.

Yes, the Muslims of Gujarat were killed by the fanatic Hindus in 2002 and the Babri mosque was destroyed by the fanatic Hindus in 1992.

Yes, the Rajnishi Hindus committed the first act of bioterrorism in 1984 in Oregon in which 700 Oregonians were poisoned with Salmonella.

Hindus of India invented terrorism 3000 years ago by establishing an oppressive caste system and killing millions of Dalits. Deepak Chopra has opposed this kind of terrorism invented by the Aryan Hindus.

ALL religions (superstitions) should apologize to the rationalists/humanists of this Planet for causing so much suffering for 2 millenia!
As for Islam, it is a religion that is a few hundred years or so behind christianity. Still into space daddy laws and medieval practises.

Great post wmarkw!!

Sparky

The excerpts are from a hard copy of the Muwatta borrowed from the NY public library.

You are afraid of the truth. Truth hurts does it not.

jailkkhosla aka nutfa e haram

You are so stupid that you produced totally irrelevant material from the internet, just to prove you know what is Mawatta. Now you know how we confront people like you.
If anyone has cancer, to save the life doctors operate it.kafirs is no less than a cancer.

jailkkhosla aka "nutfa-e-Haram"

You seems to me a "maha Maa-chood"

Gandu agar tari gand ko itni hi aag lagti hai to yahan maan chudainay aata hay.

You showed that you deserve this treatment.

Mullah Sparky I

This from Muwatta proves that a Muslim wife is basically a prostitute. If she spreads her she has to be paid.

Book 28, Number 28.4.12:

Yahya related to me from Malik from Yahya ibn Said from Said ibn al-Musayyab that 'Umar ibn al-Khattab decided about the woman who was married by a man and the marriage had been consummated, that the bride-price was obligatory.

Mullah Sparky I

Here is another one.
ook 43, Number 43.7.6:

Yahya related to me from Malik from Ibn Shihab from Said ibn al-Musayyab that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, gave a judgement that the compensation for a foetus killed in its mother's womb was a slave or slave-girl of fair complexion and excellence. The one against whom the judgement was given said, "Why should I pay damages for that which did not drink or eat or speak or make any cry. The like of that is nothing." The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "This is only one of the brothers of the diviners." He disapproved of the rhyming speech of the man's declaration.

Yahya related to me from Malik that Rabia ibn Abi Abd ar-Rahman said, "The slave of fair complexion and excellence is estimated at fifty dinars or six hundred dirhams. The blood-money of a free muslim woman is five hundred dinars or six thousand dirhams."

Malik said, "The blood-money of the foetus of a free woman is a tenth of her blood-money. The tenth is fifty dinars or six hundred dirhams."

Malik said, "I have not heard anyone dispute that there is no slave in compensation for the foetus until it leaves its mother's womb and falls still-born from her womb . "

Malik said, "I heard that if the foetus comes out of its mother's womb alive and then dies, the full blood-money is due for it."

Malik said, "The foetus is not alive unless it cries at birth. If it comes out of its mother's womb and cries out and then dies, the complete blood-money is due for it. We think that the slave-girl's foetus has a tenth of the price of the slave-girl."

Malik said, "When a woman murders a man or woman, and the murderess is pregnant, retaliation is not taken against her until she has given birth. If a woman who is pregnant is killed intentionally or unintentionally, the one who killed her is not obliged to pay anything for her foetus. If she is murdered, then the one who killed her is killed and there is no blood-money for her foetus. If she is killed accidentally, the tribe obliged to pay on behalf of her killer pays her blood-money, and there is no blood-money for the foetus."

Yahya related to me, "Malik was asked about the foetus of the christian or jewish woman which was aborted. He said, 'I think that there is a tenth of the blood-money of the mother for it.' "

I believe that Muslim religious leaders owen their own an apology. Allowing a 47 year old man to marry an 8 year old girl; calling for the death of a Muslim who converted to Christianity; and the treatment of women in Muslim cultures is horrible to say the least. Deepak Chopra is one of those who will passively allow Muslim infiltration into our culture .. along with the problems that will come with it because of their intolerance of those who believe differently than they do. The Muslim religion is against almost all the progressive human rights issues that we have come to take for granted. Let's not be so politically correct and foolish to allow this inhumane religion to feel validated. Apology .. Chopra, you must be joking.

Mulla Sparky 1

There are six Sahih hadith books and the Muwatta. Muwatta is similar to the Sahih Hadiths and was compiled by Imam Malik. It is one of the main bases for the sharia.
Here is an example of the rulings by the pedophile murderer founder of Islam.

"Book 43, Number 43.7.5:

Yahya related to me from Malik from Ibn Shihab from Abu Salama ibn Abd ar-Rahman ibn Awf from Abu Hurayra that a woman from the Hudhayl tribe threw a stone at a woman from the same tribe, and she had a miscarriage. The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, gave a judgement that a slave or slave-girl of fair complexion and excellence should be given to her."

jailkkhosla

What is Mawatta? Have you seen or read Mawatta? What is objectionable in it.?

Come on!Dont try tobe master of none and jack of all.

jailkkhosla

Ans to your Question:

Like for the non-muslims what they like for themselves.

Muslims should ask themselves:

" what can Muslims do to win the hearts and minds of non-Muslims?"

Non-Muslims do not owe an apology to Muslims.

Muslims owe an apology to all non-Muslims, followed by concrete action to reform or eradicate Islam aka Muhamamdanism from the face of the earth.

First and formost Muslims should apologize to non-Muslims for continuing to insult the Almight by associating the pedophile-murderer-bandit-slavemongering founder of Islam and the arabic idol he created , Allah, with God. They should stop calling Muhammad a Prophet of God.

If you do not belive that Muhammad was a pedophile, murderer, bandit, robber, ethnic cleanser and slave monger then please read the Koran, the hadiths including Muwatta and the first biography of Muhammad, Sirat Rasulallah.

Mr. Chopra lost his mind. No one has to pay apology to Muslims or Islam. On the contrary Muslims have to pay apology to every one they invaded, insulted, converted by force.

A lot of nonsense--apologize to Islam! It's the most backward, intolerant, bigoted, cult on the fact of the planet. Deepak Chopra has it backwards--Islam should apologize to humanity. It's a failed philosophy that has given rise to many Muslim failed states. A failed philosophy, a failed book, is a precondition for a failed state.

Apology? For what? For "error and wrong-doing?" For "xenophobia"? Mr. Chopra lacks specificity, cites no facts, wrongly believes the Iraq war was some sort of effort to destroy islam. (nb: see darfur to learn how genocide is done and compare it with iraq; see also shia vs saddam for a taste of how to terrorize a majority)

I think if we were at war with islam, Saudi Arabia would know it. Indonesia would know it. Hell, Michigan would know it.

Mistakes? We do apologize for them. We do spend blood and money making them right. What more do you want?

As an atheist, islam is no more or less ridiculous than judaism or christianity; it's just closer to us in time and there's a better paper trail of things to roll your eyes at.

We do far more than tolerate various religions already. We get it better than most people who practice religion. We understand what the need from it, what they get from it, the comfort and identity it gives them to make it through the day.

I want reciprocity for atheists. You call me hellbound, or angry, or whatever. I reserve the right to call your belief ridiculous. No harm, no foul, let's have a beer and watch the game. That's more than tolerance, that's real life, that's acceptance.

Get over it.

Hakam1

I pity for your condition, you are dying in your own anger and rage against Islam.
May you remain burning in this fire of envy and jealousy.

Islamists owe the civilized world an apology. Chopra has it backwards.

Islam is intolerable. It must be condemned.

What sane person respects a religion started by a pedophile? What sane person respects people who revere that very pedophile? Only people who think like their beloved pedophile.

The world would be a better place without any religion. It would definitely be a big plus if Islam was the first religion to become extinct.

Not so fast Mr. Chopra! Some people in America beginning with former president Bush, his cronies and associates. Owe more than an Apology to the people of Irak. That is one thing, another thing is that the rest of us who make up America owe it to Islam.

The USA has been around for just over 230 years. Long very long before the USA, Muslims were cutting throats left and right. Long before America was even discovered Muslims based on their religious beliefs have been treating their wives and daughters like non humans. Long before America was called such, the tenets of Islam were written down. Long before America of which the United States is a part and not the whole, (lest u forgot that there is North, South and central America.) Muslims were already divided among themselves into Shias and Sunnis among other sects. Long before the good old US of A, the different Arab nations were warring among themselves, burning their towns, raping the women, killing the children. Have u fogotten what racists Muslim Arabs have been doing in the Province of Darfur and the south of Sudan.

Is Islam going to apologize for all that to their own. Of course not.

I am in America and I am an American also. I feel for what has happened, but I don't owe an apology to Islam. Neither my family, neighors, friends or Church. To the people of Irak. To those who have suffer there because of the delusions of some who held power for some time yes, but not to Islam.

SPARK1,

Is that hindu Deepak Chopra type? God, he praisd Muhammad, otherwise his throat would be slit in the glorious name of Allah. You forgot to mentioned Mhhammad as a pedophile, Muhammad as a pervert, Muhammad as a schizophrenic, Muhammad as a liar etc. Get out from Kaba, that belongs to hindus. Muhammad the great, the tolerant axed the statues and usurped the Kaaba.

Hakam1

Islam needs an apology? Give us a break!!!

A synopsis of some of the carnage caused or being caused by Islam:

1a) 179 killed in Mumbai/Bombay, 290 injured

1b) Assassination of Benazir Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh

2) 9/11, 3000 mostly US citizens, 1000’s injured

3) The 24/7 Sunni-Shiite centuries-old blood feud currently being carried out in Iraq, US Troops, 3,433 combat 844 non- hostile) and 91,403 – 99,794 Iraqi civilians killed, http://www.iraqbodycount.org/ and
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/casualty.pdf

4) Kenya- In Nairobi, about 212 people were killed and an estimated 4000 injured; in Dar es Salaam, the attack killed at least 11 and wounded 85.[2]

5) Bali-in 2002-killing 202 people, 164 of whom were foreign nationals, and 38 Indonesian citizens. A further 209 people were injured.

6) Bali in 2005- Twenty people were killed, and 129 people were injured by three bombers who killed themselves in the attacks.

7) Spain in 2004- killing 191 people and wounding 2,050.

8) UK in 2005- The bombings killed 52 commuters and the four radical Islamic suicide bombers, injured 700.

9) The execution of an eloping couple in Afghanistan on 04/15/2009 by the Taliban.

DO NOT SMEAR THE FACTS

The stature of the Prophet (PBUH) is great indeed; as the author of the book "Islam and Modern Age" a Hindu professor wrote the following about Prophet Muhammad (PBUH):
"The personality of Muhammad! It is most difficult to get into the truth of it. Only a glimpse of it I can catch. What a dramatic succession of picturesque scenes. There is Muhammad the Prophet, there is Muhammad the General; Mohammad the King; Muhammad the Warrior; Muhammad the Businessman; Mohammad the Preacher; Mohammad the Philosopher; Mohammad the Statesman; Mohammad the Spokesperson; Mohammad the reformer; Muhammad the Refuge for orphans; Muhammad the Protector of slaves; Mohammad the Emancipator of woman; Muhammad the husband; Muhammad the father; Muhammad the educator; Muhammad the Law-giver; Muhammad the Judge; Muhammad the Saint and etc. In all these magnificent roles, in all these departments of human activities, he is like a hero! Orphan hood is an extreme form of helplessness and his life upon this earth began with it; Kingship is the height of material power and it ended with it! From an orphan boy to a persecuted refugee and then to an overlord, spiritual as well as temporal, of a whole nation and arbiter of its destinies, with all its trials and temptations, with all its vicissitudes and changes, its lights and shades, its ups and downs, its terror and splendor, he has withstood the fire of the world and came out unscathed to serve as a model in every face of life. His achievements are not limited to one aspect of life, but cover the whole field of human conditions."
A POOR SHEPHERD PEOPLE, ROAMING UNNOTICED IN ITS DESERTS SINCE THE CREATION OF THE WORLD: A HERO-PROPHET WAS SENT DOWN TO THEM WITH A WORD THEY COULD BELIEVE: SEE, THE UNNOTICED BECOMES WORLD-NOTABLE, THE SMALL HAS GROWN WORLD-GREAT; WITHIN ONE CENTURY AFTERWARDS, ARABIA IS AT GRENADA (Spain) ON THIS HAND, AT DELHI (India) ON THAT; -GLANCING IN VALOUR AND SPLENDOUR AND THE LIGHT OF GENIUS, ARABIA SHINES THROUGH LONG AGES OVER A GREAT SECTION OF THE WORLD. BELIEF IS GREAT, LIFE-GIVING. THE HISTORY OF A NATION BECOMES FRUITFUL, SOUL ELEVATING, GREAT, SO SOON AS IT BELIEVES. THESE ARABS, THE MAN MAHOMET, AND THAT ONE CENTURY, -IS IT NOT AS IF A SPARK HAD FALLEN, ONE SPARK, ON A WORLD OF WHAT SEEMED BLACK UNNOTICEABLE SAND; BUT LO, THE SAND PROVES EXPLOSIVE POWDER, BLAZES HEAVEN HIGH FROM DELHI TO GRENADA! I SAID, THE GREAT MAN WAS ALWAYS AS LIGHTNING OUT OF HEAVEN; THE REST OF MEN WAITED FOR HIM LIKE FUEL, AND THEN THEY TOO WOULD FLAME."
Thus concluded the speech of Thomas Carlyle, one of the greatest thinkers of the past century. It was Friday, the 8th of May 1840. His theme — "The Hero as Prophet" His audience: were Anglicans — English Christians.

Yes Islam needs an apology from Bush and the neocons and from all those who discriminate and murder Musims in India. But the terrorists and their sympathisers any where do not need any apology. They must be stopped at all cost.

Start with Pakistan media and do not allow irresponsible anchors and guests to build an unnecessary opinions against The West and USA. These illiterate guys just do not understand and spread falsehood all around. If USA does not do this there seems to be no chance at all.

Secondly the Wahabi oriented all literature emanating from Saudi Arabia and Saudi influenced so called scholars in Pakistan, India, Europe and USA must be stopped nay, burned. People do not realise what a menace Wahabism is to Islam and eventually the world. Do something Mr. Obama.

In USA also you have a lot of sympathy for Wahabi leaning ideas that are dreadful. Now this guy Abdul Aziz was released yesterday by court. The Government of Pakistan should have immediately arrested him. But they did not. Governance under that thief Zardari is at its lowest ebb. Only God can save Pakistan from such poor governance where The Terrorists and Islamists are taking over.

First they take over the media and later the country and make the world a cess pool of violence and blood giving Islam a bad name. It is so sad.

Once again, ultra-right extremists on one hand and radical islamists have have hijacked an opening for otherwise honest conversation.
Yes,Obama was courageous enough to apologise for our mistakes.That's a sign of strength,not weakness.And the Scriptures says:.."Blessed are the peacemakers:for they shall be called the children of God".
Moslems have a lot to apologise for:international terrorism,genocide in Darfur,Southern Sudan,Aremnia,North and eastern Africa,Ottoman empire and slavery.
It human beings that commmit such atrocities and not the religion itself.If it were then how can we except christainity as opposed to christains who persecuted Jews upto the Holocaust???.
Humanity and human civilisation will be advanced not by religious fanatics in the Islamic World nor by the fringe fanatics on the right.For they're all unwashed, illiterate and intolerant pieces of trash we are forced to share this planet with!!!.

Deepak,

Normally, I don't post to charlatans, so you should be flattered that I'm making an exception in your case. First, Muslims have spoken out against extremism both in this country and abroad. Indeed, some Christians have spoken out against the barbaric AmeriChristian "New Testament" treatment of detainees. See today's WaPo. Some Christians have spoken out about the Iraqi slaughter, their slaughter of the Afghan people.

Now, Deepak, 'lest anyone else assume you are a hypocrite and a fake, as I do, when can we expect you to speak out about the oppression of the millions of Dalit, the wretched of the earth?

About the Scavengers, do tell.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalit

About the BJP, do tell. About bride burnings, dowry death. About female feticide.

Anything for a buck, huh, Deepak?

Apologies don't mean much unless they are followed up by concrete actions. Thankfully there are also signs that this Obama administration means to pay more than just lip service to a Middle East peace and work for a peace based on compromises by all sides instead of just one side, like the "peace" terms sought by the previous two American administrations.

Christianity owes the world an apology for its failure to confront the American extremists who have taken over it's religion

Hey ONLYTHETRUTH,

Good observation about praising God and then murdering. I guess its the Moslem's turn. Christians had pretty much a monopoly of praising God and Gassing people etc.

INTCAMD1 is absolutely right. Let Deepak Chopra submit and convert to Islam. So, what ? That doesn't change anything about the nature of this barbaric religion.

DanB4: A very interesting recitation of Saddam Hussein's actions. Do you realize that we did the same? We have chemical & biological weapons, and have used them, as well as nuclear weapons. And we ruthlessly killed hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis as well (sorry, but since we started the war we are responsible for the full fallout). That is why it is best to not attack in the first place.

First off I am an atheist and am against all forms of religious fundamentalism.

The Bush Administration was truly appalling in terms of tolerance of the opinions of others. I do not see however that a religion, which has partly been cobbled together from other faiths, has been poorly written by a number of hands over time and has been willfully misinterpreted by the dishonest depending on their motives cannot be regarded as the word of god.

A religion that denigrates others - non-believers, women etc and is content to leave it's adherents in poverty, chaos amd ignorance deserves our condemnation and should not be entitled to an apology.

On the contrary...Islam owes the West an apology for believing in the crap about a mentally insane "prophet" who claimed he heard voices. People who believe in this primitive drivel also believe that women are second hand citizens and should not be educated.

Chopra is a pompous mercenary, who exploited his Hindu roots to peddle false Hindu philosophy, became a fake newage guru, hoodwink a bunch of Hollywood hypocrites, and make a fast buck for himself. Well good for him, but boohoo! And I say this as a Hindu myself.

But enough already. if Chopra wants to kiss upto Islam, all the more power; Deepak - go to Peshawar, or Quetta, or Kandahar, or Swat Valley, and feel free to apologize to Islam on behalf of whoever you want to; make sure you tell them your name, that you were born Hindu while you are at it. And if you make it back alive, we will have a talk.

But spare the rest of us about the need to apologize to Islam.

When the adherants of Islam stop supporting public whippings of teenage girls, Mullah sanctionings of women's gangrapes, honor killings, public stonings, hand choppings, etc, and when the the same pillars of islam voluntarily give up Mullah Omar and Bin Laden hiding in their middle, then we will decide to forgive them, not apologize to them.

Islam owes the world an apology for its failure to confront the extremists who have taken over it's religion. This nation owes them NO apology whatsoever. We have acted to protect ourselves and spent lives and capital to protect innocent Muslims from their extremist elements. We overthrew a murdering dictator in Iraq who had killed over 1 million innocent, mostly Muslims in his 20 year reign of terror. The Muslim world should thank the United States, not villify us or demand false apologies for sleights not inflicted. This is part of the problem in the Muslim world -- they see themselves as victims when they should see their own culpibility in their circumstance. Until they accept their own responsiblity and take ownership of their problem, they will never be adult members of the world family.

Why should we apologize to Muslims? Because we refuse to allow them subvert our system of government and adopt their Sharia? Because we do not dehumanize women and those others whose faith is different than ours? As for Iraq, it had a dictator who posed a clear and pending danger to our security. Afghanistan harbored those who attacked our embassies abroad and also had the temerity to attack our homeland. Get over it, and abandon that victim hood posture.

To Islam:

I am very sorry that your society is the most backwards on earth, and that most of you lack the educational basis to advance. I regret that I cannot personally come and explain how the ignorance of your holy book and its medieval social laws are keeping you in the dark ages. I especially regret the loss of so many of your number because of the violence inherent in your culture. Please try to help yourselves by checking the work of Ibn Warrag, Ayan Hirsi Ali, Wafa Sultan and Ali Sina to get some pointers.

So when is Islam going to apologize to the civilized world for it's outrageous enabling of insane and homicidal martyrdom, against innocent people of the west? I have never heard a word of apology from the clerics; and I can't get rid of the feeling that it's OK by them that infidels are violently gotten rid of from time to time; after all - they're infidels, and we know what the Koran says about infidels, don't we?

Islam needs an apology because they are suffering a deeply justified feeling of inferiority. Unable to compete on the world stage in any capacity, they feel a need for an apology from the world for this humiliating state of affairs.

Mr. Chopra & CO., Can Ye & CO., admitt THAT;

"iSLAM"izm via Pakistanizm is on 'STOLEN LAND'izm taken from 'peacefull' HINDUTVA"izms under Koranic, not Geetaic, Religio-pretexts!?

note: iNDIA's HINDU(s) religion per se, & Similars SECT-ions & CULT-ures therein or from, Have always been Very Good to "YUDULA"(s) {'Jews' in Urdu) but

also to the DIASPORAHd Persian ZOROASTRIANs too & others Displaced by ISLAMIC "AL TAQIYAH"izm {Izlamic ZIONIzM, not Judeo zionism} for 'Flat-Earth?', but not, now, 'Space-Ship-Earth?' Conquest!

Note: India Does not Need nor must Give Israel, a Soverign Nation now, any Apology. It is the ISLAMIC World that needs to admitt not submitt!

As a "HINDUTVA"-MAN;

Do YE realy believeth that by Giving al ISLAM' people? a APOLOGY {for ?} will stop them "AL TAQIYAH"ists fork-tongues from Acquiring both a islamic "SUNi-A-BOMB" now & another islamic "SHiA-A-BOMB" soon, that they will surrender such, via "OUR TECHNOLOGY/PATENTS etc.., via their? ALLAH-Made lethal Suni & Shia-made A-Bombs????

Is there such a thing as a ISHVARA-a-BOMB?, a "YUDULA-A-BOMB+"? an "ALLAH A-BOMB" or is it only a "PAKISTAN-MADE? A-Bomb {not Sharia}? or a IRANian-Made? A-Bomb {not Sharia}?

Major QUESTION: Does the naturally embedded 'Yellow-Cake" [Before ENRiCHiNG it Uraniumically] in the bowels of OUR Holy-i Cosmic NEBULA-BUiLT Space-Ship Earths, belong to Israel?, Pakistan? or Iran? or Russia, China, America, French...??? So,

Does the OIL & GAS of Fossils? Naturally Embeded in Space-Ship Earth's Belly; belongs to Saudi Arabia?, Iran?, Russia, Mexico, Gulf Coasts, Persian coasts etc..???

VOTE: Abolish All, Every & Any Pre-Apocalyptic MONARCHic & THEOCRATic & Nepotisims thereof; For Ever! Hence

NO NEED to 'Apologise' to Any Man-Made Religion(s) System& for being Born in MIRACLE, Pre-baptised & "Naturally-Selection'd", and NOT as if "god(s) Chosen Bible People", so to spaketh TRUTH (opposite MYTH).

Anyone, on this Space-Ship, Today who realy believes that "MAN & WOMB" & Us, their Kids, was borneth in any Abrahamic or Vedic SIN/CURSETH or via as if a SUFFERING story; is very Super-Stupid-Stitious! aka PRE-Apocalyptic Thinkers [aka HUMANs]! NOT like Us Apocalyptic Thinkers [aka HUEMATE(s)].

What Happens After the OBAMA ADMiN is gone? Then What Islam? Then what Russia? then What China???

What applogy on smeard fact.

Islam is here on this planet for the last 1400 years. It is a practicing religion, not just based on Friday prayers or else rituals. Is this something new which came to light after 9/11 only?.
As a matter of fact mankind is once again turning towards religion. The neo-con and Bush Blair lead the world to wage wars based on their religious beliefs.
Then there is a revival of extreme Hinduism in India but as usual until now no one bother about it. The Jews are punishing Palestinians because of their religious convictions. In such a climate there is nothing unusual to be discovered about Islam.
What secular views the American state cherished do not matter as much as the alarming point that when an American President comes in guise with hidden religious extreme sentiments then he can wage dangerous wars in the world and even one which can lead to a third world war.

Islam is a religion practiced by more than one billion people, no one can finish them by might or otherwise.
It is even more difficult to change the local culture and values which are being practiced by the people in different parts of the world. If we have any fear this is our own created, we have the right to secure our selves and our homeland but we do not have the right to wage wars in far flung place based upon false apprehensions.

You cannot win any war anywhere without the support of the people of the land, what ever their belief might be, in present day it is Islam so all the grudge for not winning is against Islam.

It may be that "no one has ever said that toleration was the last refuge of scoundrels"; but tolerance of the intolerant and aggressive Islamic religious bigotry is the first step to perdition. We need an American president who will stand up for liberty and equality before the law -- both of which contradicts the ideology of Islam. Obama calls for mutual respect and mutual trust with the Islamic world, but that is absurd. Mutual trust and respect is possible only between people who share the same basic values. Islam rejects our basic values. The best proof of that is the fact that ALL Moslem countries reject our Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Instead, ALL 57 Moslem countries subscribe to the Cairo Declaration of Human Rights in Islam which officially declares that Islam is superior to all other religions, and which explicitly states that all human rights must be derived from and in accordance with the Sharia. Of course, our cool president is too ignorant to know that.
Do we owe Islam an apology? The very notion is abhorrently ridiculous. The adherents of Islam, in the name of Islam, are causing no end of death, destruction, suppression and cruelty in the world. They should be the ones to apologize. But, Islam and Moslems NEVER EVER apologize for anything.

On WHY "iSLAM" {the ABRAHAMIC religion via "Submission"} should Repent, Apologetic like:

Mr. CHOPRA & CO.;

Todays Preapocalyptic Ancient VEDIC [Poly Theo?] Religion System cannot compare to todays, also Preapocalyptic , ABRAHAMIC [Mono Theo?] Religion Systems;

Hence; Space-Earth's, PLURAL gods Systems!

All "Judeo-Jews & Judeo-Christians & Judeo Islamics & Judeo-Hindu's & Judeo-Buddhists.. on Holyi Space-Ship Earth, Owes US, the "SECULAR WORLD" [not Heretic, Agnostic, Atheists..] an apology plus Compensation many times over!

Any Islamic Nation under "SHARiA" Religio Law System nor Religio "CASTE" or "HALAKAH" & or under "Apartheid" Rule; Are the Most Dangerous Institutions (Entitys) today!

A Nation built on pure Democratic SECULARism" is, like "OUR/G-D" Superior to Any Non-Secular "My/god(s)" Nation!

Man-Made, Theocracy & Monarchy , competing for a name for god(s) SYSTEM(s) must be Ended, once & for All!

No Apology's , NO Excuses, No It's or But's about "IT" is Needed! Hence

the Enemy of Us HUEMATE(s) {aka MEME's} , not HUMAN(s) is not within, but Out!

Islam deserves no apology, and I was not pleased with Obama's endless apologies. Look at what is done in the name of Islam. Look at how women are treated under this barbaric "religion." In Afghantistan women are being denied any education, to go out alone. They are the property of their husbands and can be raped by their husbands. Part of Pakistan has been given over to Sharia law. The same thing is happening. How can anyone tolerate this treatment of women? Islam deserves no apology. Islam needs to be abolished.

Deepak Chopra, all you wrote was another one of your idiotic blogs. How would you like to be treated the way women are under Sharia law? You do not say. My own belief is that you think it is right. There is no place for tolerance of such acts in the U.S. The U.S. Constitution guarantees freedom and equality to all, and that includes women, who make up slighly more than half the population. Nobody in the U.S. is to be owned as property and denied their inalienable rights. I hope Obama gets more Republicans in 2010. He needs them in our American Congress. If the U.S. must fight Islam to preserve our Constitution, then it must be done. I wish the U.S. government would launch a nuclear strike on the Middle East and obliterate it.

And Chopra is nothing but a con artist.

The world's intelligence communities -- and the UN -- all believed that Hussein retained his biological and chemical weapons after the Iran - Iraq war (during which Hussein used chemical weapons on his own people). He was, moreover, a ruthless murderer of hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis. The US removed him from power. Though we planned poorly for the transition from his Bath Party to a representative government, we owe NO ONE an apology and there are no "amends" to make. Deepak, your visceral repulsion of all things conservative evidences your own inability to deal with the objective truth that it is moral to counter evil imposed on others by inflicting a greater harm on the evil-doer.

Everyone in the U.S believes in freedom for all including Muslims. Fanatics that murder others including radical, jihadist Muslims are the problem. Noone likes a murderer either Muslim, Christian, Jewish or other faith. The problem is with the murderer and not his religion. It is sad that so many irrational radical murders in the last 20 years happen to be by jihadist Muslims. Many of these murderers praise God in arabic as they murder people.