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Reality Is We Are A 'Christian' Nation
Let’s not kid ourselves. America is a Christian nation—founded by Christians and still run by Christians.
To be sure, many of our nation's founders were Deists, but they were Christian Deists who read the Bible, loved Jesus, prayed to the Christian God, and encountered the world on Christian terms. It is as dangerous to try to pretend this history away as it is to pretend away the Christian Right. We may aspire to separation of church and state, but we do not yet live this ideal.
Instead, we are a country of accidental phenomenologists.
In the early 20th century, philosopher Edmund Husserl (1859-1938) fathered phenomenology—the study of “the things themselves,” or the attempt to get at a particular experience (often religious in nature) through purely descriptive analysis while “bracketing” all personal judgment.
Phenomenologists try to study their subjects at a distance, separating out prejudices that might obscure understanding. Husserl’s philosophical approach found many followers in the field of religion, including Ninian Smart. In his studies of religious experience, Smart intended to “describe, rather than pass judgment,” and “not to speak on behalf of one faith or to argue for the truth of one or all religions or of none.” Armed with this method for supposedly "impartial" study, Smart and his kin were among the first scholars that drew a line between “unbiased” religious studies and “biased” theology.
In academia, therefore, scholars of religion boast of a kind of “separation of church and subject.”
So perhaps our country’s Founders were ahead of their time—phenomenologist policy- makers of a sort. They wrote a Constitution that trusts its citizens' ability to set aside religion from the public square—to “bracket it”—as if every person born in this nation would grow up a philosopher skilled in this delicate, difficult project of stripping away biases in the name of objectivity. And thus, what today’s postmodern theorists regard as simple naïveté—that we can separate something like the religious (and in our nation’s case, the Christian) from our thinking, voting, and rhetoric, as if separating eggs for meringue—was woven into the fabric of our founding document, and embedded deeply into our American psyches.
Yet, the mere fact that we entertain the question of whether we are a “Christian America” is evidence that we are just that. At least that is how philosopher Hans Georg Gadamer would see it. Consider his discussion of the timelessness and temporality of works of art in Truth and Method. For Gadamer, the “actual being” of a work of art, “can not be detached from its presentation,” and “however much it is transformed and distorted in being presented, it still remains itself.”
In other words, unless we invent a time machine that will allow us to travel back over 200 years to supplant a large majority of our Constitution’s writers with individuals who reflect our nation’s current religious diversity, we must acknowledge however reluctantly, that the words that built our nation were penned by Christians who will forever inform its identity.
Feminist philosopher Grace Jantzen devoted one of her books (Becoming Divine: Towards a Femininist Philosophy of Religion) to arguing that “the secular/religious divide of modernity is misconceived.” For Jantzen and many other postmodernists, it is impossible to overturn societal inequalities regarding race, gender, sexuality, and class, without first attending to Christianity as the umbrella under which we have built our Western lives. While for Gadamer denying America's Christian character might be a matter of simple ignorance, for Jantzen it is a dangerous game indeed, since any honest conversation about moving beyond our Christian biases must begin by acknowledging them.
Unfortunately, my generation and those roaring up behind me—Generations X and Y, and the Millenials—belong in many ways to a Husserlian masterpiece. As a rule, we walk through life blissfully unaware of the gross biases lurking underneath the surface of relations between employer and employee, citizen and representative, teacher and student, woman and man. The naïve ideal of the unbiased opinion is second nature to us. We don’t even have to think about it. It's the way things are.
I am constantly amazed that we can still debate what so obviously is not even a question: The fact that Christianity—its history, values, morals, beliefs, practices, and sacred texts—forms the sacred canopy under which we Americans find shelter, however uncomfortably. We are a Christian nation in the same way that Israel is a Jewish one, and Iraq is (or at least will be) Muslim. Our country’s founders were Christians, as was every single president in our history.
Lest I be misunderstood, I do not deny the aspirations of our First Amendment, the ideal of separation of church and state, and Mr. Jefferson’s desired “wall” between the two. But I know nonetheless that in practice the religious often lays underneath what we mistake as the secular. And in our case that "religious" is Christian.
We can say all we want that America is not a Christian nation. But that doesn’t make it true, any more than saying that racial prejudice is a thing of the past, or that feminism is moot because equal rights have been achieved.
By
Donna Freitas
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December 19, 2006; 1:30 PM ET
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This is a great subject. you want to help many understand the state of their mind when it comes to religion and faith. unfortunately we cannot put people in a labyrinth where they will be forced to swallow what we have to offer and we cannot swallow neither what they have to offer. however, we are at war when it is time to talk about faith and religion, it should never be that way. yet, we must make an attempt to know why it is that way and this is your approach here. that is good. America must go back to its root to see exactly where it stands in term of religious belief and faith. However, as a great country, it receives and welcomes people with different ethnic and religious background. it does not persecute others for their belief system, indeed it welcomes their beliefs as part of an inheritance that cannot perish.
We do learn to have and practice love toward one another and when the religions become a war, we seem to loose control over issue and the simplest things become difficult to handle.
Do we have a let go status quo or are we moving toward a better way to handle the issues of faith. it is sometimes confusing for each of us when thinking that one is better than the other others. it seems that different beliefs bring the idea of different faiths to control the soul of mankind and we cannot say that they are wrong. Therefore, we must tell them that they are right. Otherwise we are wrong with our faith. If the faith of the fathers led them to victory and success, it must be positive faith on which we must build. We may not break it apart. Faith is not simply a simple matter. It is beyond our limit and control. It connects to a higher power that we must respect since that power can dominate over us.
Our fathers believed. we see how far their belief leads them to prepare the way before us and to become a great nation in the world. it allows them to not be selfish, to not condemn, but to love and to support others. So we have no reason to depart from their faith. It was great faith that produced power and miracles. America is a miracle. It is by faith they conquered their freedom. The same faith that freed them must be the same to keep to them safe and free.
we need to sustain that faith and use it for better progress in the light of knowledge and to support other to get insight from it.
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So you'll always call the US a Christian, racist, unfeminist nation until "the ideal" has been reached? Since I was raised by Chinese Buddhists in what you call a "Christian nation" because of Christianity's influence in the US, does that make me a Chinese Buddhist Christian person, despite the fact that I identify as secular? If I am a secular person because my values aren't based on religious beliefs, then the US is a secular nation because its constitution isn't based on religious beliefs (see the US Constitution, Federalist Papers, Anti-Federalist papers, and Notes of Debates in the Federal Convention by James Madison).
The constitution was based on some racist and unfeminist practices but it was amended decades later to help hinder such practices, so I wouldn't call today's US a racist, unfeminist nation. Christianity, racism, and anti-feminism still have influence in America, but they also do in many other countries. Does that mean you should call Earth a Christian, racist, unfeminist world? Only if you what to diminish the fact that there are non-Christian, anti-racist, and feminist influences in the world.
Posted by: NaLalina | May 28, 2007 7:13 AM
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Thanks for this insight. I've both admired and struggled with Husserl's "Ideen;" but I certainly would never have unpacked so much grist from it on *this* topic without your thoughtful notes.
Kind regards,
S
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Say rather a Nation composed Largely of Christians, and I would agree with you.
But to say Christian Nation implies that unless you are a Christian you can not be a citizen nor par take of it's political processes.
In Fact contrary to popular belief our founding Father did make the claim that we were "not founded as a Christian Nation" It is in a document called the Treaty of Tripoli.
This quote is from Article 11
"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."
Contitutionally speaking Article 6 paragraph 3 states:
"no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States".
I have found nothing in the Ten Commandments that is anyway comparable to the First ten amendments of the constitution. Indeed the constitution does not mention God, jesus, Moses, Abraham nor any of the Mosaic Code. It does not proscribe like the ten commandments how to whorship the Christian god.
What I have found is a well thought out method of self government. Indeed more influence seems to be evident from the Roman Republic and Greek Democracies, and Roman law and Celtic/Anglo Saxon Common law than any Eye for an Eye legal system from the Bible. I am not saying that it is not influenced by the Bible, only that it does not seem to be the primary influence or only influence.
Remember that in the Early 1800's many were under attack by Baptists ministers for not being Real Christians.
Truth to tell, Read a book called "In God we Trust". It was published in the 1950's. You will find, unexpurgated the writings dealing with religion and faith of the major powers of the founding brothers. You might conclude as I did that if they had been born one Hundred years earlier and held those views they would have been hung or burned as witches or heretics. Worse than that however they would most likely not have been allowed to hold a public office by the Voters of this era.
Posted by: Arthur | January 1, 2007 2:42 PM
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that indeed evokes some strange images that id rather never have- but it is stranglely american in tone...
Posted by: victoria | December 24, 2006 11:58 PM
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It's Christmas Eve Day here in Vermont - the real Vermont - Robert Frost's Vermont - not Colchester-Burlington. It therefore seems appropriate to post the following:
Robert Frost was at a public meeting at Amherst College when a minister of religion asked him how religion had influenced his poetry. Frost responded:
"Mary had a little lamb.
His name was Jesus Christ.
God the Father was the ram
But Joseph took it nice."
This doesn't shed much light on who Jesus was, but it gives us an insight into Robert Frost, whose poetry, many believe, embodies "traditional American values."
This episode was recently reported in the Amherst College Alumni Magazine. It can be verified by googling Robert Frost + Amherst + the quotation above
Posted by: Norrie Hoyt | December 24, 2006 12:42 PM
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im also a voracious reader and genius- big deal-
one must still have good manners and respect andnever never talk down to people.
intelligence doesnt validate ones right to be arrogant
Posted by: victoria | December 21, 2006 4:37 AM
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it is fine to have an opinion, but it seems a professor should know enough to not include everyone in her generalizations. your assessment can only reflect your own opinion- when you choose to speak for others, and define them for themselves- forgive us but we will happliy define ourselves.
you use so many personal pronouns that perhaps your ideas would be better received by "us" if you used language that was more academically correct.
its not that were a stupid audience- i am very respectful of intelligent discourse.
no one likes to be told who they are by someone who doesnt know.
Posted by: victoria | December 21, 2006 4:35 AM
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Lady, try not to let the above criticisms get you down. Trust me, your intellect is sound. I read like a beast and have a genius level I.Q. and I am agnostic--and I have been thinking about the separation of church and state for a long time. I really want to get at what state must become to prevent a fallback into a single religion or war of religions and I have no illusions as to how difficult that is...Too many people feel we already have the answers to keeping religious problems at bay or something. The criticisms directed at you seem to fall between those that hate religion and feel state separated from church is perfect enough as it is and those religious people that wish America truly were Christian or something (Burton Wolfe's comment above). In general it seems no one has your background of philosophy, etc. to grasp your piece of writing...By all means continue writing.
Posted by: daniel | December 20, 2006 6:36 AM
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Donna:
Go to my comments on the posting by Hall Wallis, and after you have read both of the comments I have posted in response to Mr. Thompson's hogwash, see if you can answer the question I have posited: What American is a "Christian" as defined by the precepts in the New Testament for what is required to be a "Christian"? Name me one person in this country, or anywhere else in the world, who follows those precepts? If you can find one, that would be the first individual who truly should be canonized as a saint. - Burton
Posted by: Burton H. Wolfe | December 19, 2006 7:15 PM
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One who believes in a God that does NOT intercede in our affairs, and that does NOT respond to prayers, sacrifices, magic words in dead languages, or elaborate rituals is essentially an atheist. By that definition, many of our Nation's founders were atheists not "Christian Deists" (a silly term if I have ever heard one). Our Constitution, which I would argue is the most "sacred" text we have, does not mention God or Jesus, or the Virgin Mary, or Angels, or the Talking Snake that is supposed to be the source of our problems. It is remarkable given the time it was written for not using overtly Christian verbiage.
It is also worth noting that most of the public buildings that house our government offices and our courts evoke Greece and Rome. They do not look like churches. This is not an accident, and it is not true everywhere in the world.
You can say all you want that America is a Christian nation. But that doesn’t make it true. It is especially absurd to say that this is a Christian nation the same way Israel is a Jewish nation. It is worse than absurd, it is horrifying.
It is true that this is a nation with a lot of Christians, and I am very afraid that there is a contingent among them who feel put-upon that they have to live with other kinds of people.
Posted by: Ba'al | December 19, 2006 7:09 PM
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How much thought did Ms. Feitas give to her assignment?
Our founding fathers: (1) were Christian Deists? The term is an oxymoron. Deists believe in the exsistence of God without reference to the supernatural. Jesus, for Christians, is a supernatural being.
(2) Loved Jesus? How do we know?
(3) Prayed to a Christian God? Is this a pitch for pantheism? What are the attributes of a Christian God as opposed to a Jewish God or a Muslum God or a Hindi God? or the Gods of Native Americans before the Christians pursued ethnic cleansing, alledgedly, a most unchristian behavior, or was it?
Posted by: D.Heretic | December 19, 2006 6:33 PM
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I know Christians who literally kid-you-not want the atheists, muslims, jews, and pagans to be removed. That would literally mean deported or killed if they refuse conversion. Quite seriously. Straight face. Members of my immediate family who think I am the one who does not understand: there IS NO ROOM IN THIS NATION FOR ANYONE BUT PEOPLE WHO ARE CHRISTIAN (AND THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE CATHOLIC)!
Posted by: Anonymous | December 19, 2006 6:33 PM
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America was not founded by Christians. It was not founded on the principal of any one particular religion. There are Christian aspects to the formation of America, but to say that America was founded by Christians is just not intellectually honest. You may use words like phenominology, but that explains nothing really.
The Christian kingdom is not of this world, is what Christ supposedly tried to teach. So how can ANY nation call themselves Christian? How can a Christian woman call herself a feminist? The bible is pretty harsh in its treatment of women. After all, wasn't Eve the one blamed for getting us kicked out of Eden?
Posted by: D. J. Fahey | December 19, 2006 4:56 PM
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OK:
"I do not deny the aspirations of our First Amendment, the ideal of separation of church and state, and Mr. Jefferson’s desired “wall” between the two. But I know nonetheless that in practice the religious often lays underneath what we mistake as the secular. And in our case that "religious" is Christian."
Totally agree. Which is why the distinction between "nation" and "government" is important, and why any religious assertions laying underneath the secular (like intelligent design) have to be challenged and exposed to public scrutiny and debate.
Also:
"We can say all we want that America is not a Christian nation. But that doesn’t make it true, any more than saying that racial prejudice is a thing of the past, or that feminism is moot because equal rights have been achieved."
Ditto. We have to work to make sure Jefferson's Wall stands firmly so that any influence religion might exercise to limit feminism is also challenged, debated, etc.
Posted by: Bob | December 19, 2006 4:48 PM
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**We are a Christian nation in the same way that Israel is a Jewish one...** Thankfully this is not a true statement. If you are Jewish and arrive in Israel, from wherever, you can be granted immediate Israeli citizenship. If you are a Christian, however, forget it. I'd hate to see the U.S. granting immediate citizenship to Christians who show up from elsewhere, but not to others.
Posted by: Norrie Hoyt | December 19, 2006 4:32 PM
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I will try to say it politely - just as with the Harvard Professor's (Eck?) piece, this provokes astonishment that people are so unable to reason even at an elemental level.
I suppose one can avoid (or exacerbate) the problem by defining what the questioner means by asking "Is America a Christian nation?" Does that mean i. a theocracy based on rule under Christian doctrine (whatever that might be) or ii. Christian in terms of values that are really no different from normative statements of all religions and even of secular ethics, or iii. a country that might perforce be called "Christian" by virtue of having a large majority of people identifying -- to greater or lesser (mostly lesser) degrees of devotion -- with a direct or atavistic attachment to one or other denomination of Christianity?
This is like asking if America is a white nation with a view to concluding that non-whites are of no consequence.
Of the three choices above, the first is obviously not true notwithstanding the efforts of some to infuse politics and policy with religion, the second is irrelevant since being "Christian" in that sense is no different from being American -- after all our Constitution embodies tolerance, equality, justice, etc., and the third has NEVER been the defining element of what makes one a better or worse American.
In truth, America is more defined by the fact that in every day discourse people are more likely to identify themselves and others by ethnicity than religion, and when it counts, i.e. when something about the country is at stake, we are all AMERICANS.
I'll try to be polite again, but does someone really pay these people to be professors? And just what is it that they teach and to whom?
Posted by: Anonymous | December 19, 2006 3:54 PM
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Oh no!! Not this again! How about this . . . the United States is a republic with a democratic style government governed by laws that are based on the Judeo-Christian priniciple. Our founding fathers, while religious (I am too for that matter) clearly understood the importance of separation of church and state. In fact, one reason they came here was to escape from the Church of England. I don't believe the term "Christian Nation" was ever used by our founders, which begs the question . . . why do we hear it so much today? I think we know why. We now return you to the culture war already in progress . . .
Posted by: John | December 19, 2006 3:44 PM
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The logic in this article is flawed because like most people in this area you are biased by Christianity being "THE" Religion. Christianity is its own little beginning and end one must assume from your writings. If the fact that our founding fathers were raised with Christian values makes this country and all its members Christian then Jesus, being raised with Jewish values, makes all Christians in fact Jews. Logically then all hail the Jewish America. But wait Abraham was influenced by...
Posted by: ThinkDon'tBlindlyFollow | December 19, 2006 3:21 PM
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Nice work--you definitely put some thought into it. You definitely seem willing to put forth a totality of knowledge concerning the problem of separation of church and state. You should write a book about the latter. Try to get at what state beyond church must be to prevent a fallback into a single religion or war between religions, etc. Again, nice piece of work. The lady is piece of work! Read it and weep!
Posted by: daniel | December 19, 2006 3:16 PM
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"We are a Christian nation in the same way that Israel is a Jewish one, and Iraq is (or at least will be) Muslim."
For Ms. Frietas to write this demonstrates that she is either an ignoramus or a liar. I think she knows very well that Israel is "The Jewish State" and that, after much controversy, the recent Iraqi Constitution provides for Iraq being an Islamic state.
So she is a liar. Specifically, she is one of those academics who thinks she is can win debates by saying to others, "I know you're a racist. So even though you deny you're a racist, and think that your argument isn't racist, I know it is, so I can dismiss it and you any time I want."
Posted by: Cabin John | December 19, 2006 3:03 PM
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What troubles me about this analysis is that the United States has been yoked together by violence, much of it religious, against native peoples. Also the East and West of the United States have very different histories, particularly given the domination of the Catholic mission system in the Southwest and California.
The author seems to be describing a culture of denial, rather than some "sacred canopy," when she talks about understanding America's "Christian" history.
Posted by: marilyn | December 19, 2006 2:38 PM
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We can also say that feminism has utility for the state, but that doesn't make it true.
Posted by: antiluminous | December 19, 2006 2:11 PM
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