Church needs media engagement in 2011

IN REPLY TO (IRT_
AREYOUSAYING
POSTED JANUARY 4, 2011 9:34 AM

IRT:
"If the 10 year-olds you are obsessed with are little boys, maybe you yourself should be hidden in a Church sponsored "rehabilitation"

ANS:
I believe it’s the two coconut heads Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dumb mentioned in the post who are the imposter caricaturists from the Cartoon Network that were lamenting about a 10 year old who entangled and confused their minds so much they couldn’t concentrate. Unfortunately, small minds are easily confused.

Sorry my friend, but the obsession with 10 years old is yours. How can you criticize the Church when you can’t even understand what you post? And look at the gutter language you use. It is an undeniable consuetude that characterizes the disposition of the anguished and frustrated parasitic left.

Moreover, it is an expose of one’s infantile decorum. Unfortunately, for you, your language defines you. It is the language of an adolescent, immature, and unsophisticated juvenile with little or no acumen and is indicative of problems you are having with the Catholic Church. It appears all your intellectual thought processes are encapsulated in the extremities of your lower appendages and you're sitting on them.

POSTED BY: AREYOUSAYING | JANUARY 3, 2011 6:33 PM “

“TTWSYFAMDGGAHJMJ1, stop wasting my time. You never actually address what I write, or mean, or anything like that.
What are you, 10 years old?
POSTED BY: EEZMAMATA

“hear, hear Trying to have an intelligent exchange of ideas with his Excellency who can only spout clichés from the Catholic Encyclopedia is like trying to pee up a rope. He expects us all to kiss his ring and he can kiss my butt.”

Could you quote some of the clichés that have you deliriously incapable of thinking, or are they also a figment of a klutz with a utilitarian imagination?

IN REPLY TO (IRT)
ENDER3
POSTED JANUARY 5, 2011 8:38 AM
“THE PEDOPHILES AND PEDERASTS”

IRT:
"The CC loves money and power more than children do. The Vatican should be liable in all of these cases and Ratzy should do something to help instead of babbling Nazi rhetoric."

ANS:
Sorry, all these cases are not caused by the Church. I can see your mind is closed to the truth; whatever the Church has done for the good of others is immaterial to the amoral myopically blind predisposed iconoclast. As Aquinas said, “For those who believe in God, no proof is necessary; to those who don’t, no proof is possible.”

Of course, the Church loves money but She doesn't worship it; it’s the balm that makes things happen in society. However, Her love for money is to assist the poor as Catholic Charities does when it feeds the hungry and shelters the homeless, houses single pregnant mothers, and volunteers to aid the 2,000,000 AIDS & HIV victims in Africa with its Dream Program. Neither do Her schools and hospitals run on fumes.

The Church also had needs for money to supplement the resources that succor to the needs of the Tsunami and Earthquake victims in the Middle East and Asia.

Mother Teresa, when picking the sick and dying from the gutters in Calcutta, needed a place to take and comfort the dying. She is the Church’s exemplar for the poor and dying and she was not a Nazi. Moreover, she apparently had more respect for others than you seem to.

So what have you done to prevent the approbation of gay-sex, the cause of this American dilemma, besides carping? Are you pro-abortion; do you think both are inalienable rights? Abortionists are the scum of child abusers, been complaining about them?

There is no one that surpasses the Catholic Church in its defense of children, or all human life. In fact, the Catholic Church is the only one doing anything about this abomination of Lust between same sexes irrespective of Her perverts who betrayed Her.

The abusive priests were treated under the auspices of the APA; noted sociologist Judith Reisman said the Church should sue the APA Kinsey Harvard psychologists and psychiatrists who treated Her depraved priests. They told the Church these perverts were cured and could be integrated back into society.

Gays got into the priesthood partly because of the cultural pressure from our decadent society, universities, an amoral Court, and a Dem run government that has fermented this debauchery over the last 30 years.

So don’t try blaming this fiasco on the Church. If these perverts had honored their vows and the trust the Church and families placed in them, these deplorable and disgusting disasters would not have happened. So don’t make the Church the scapegoat to avoid society’s responsibility for not stopping such diabolical behavior; instead, try blaming our society that has acceded to this pernicious opprobri

AREYOUSAYING |
POSTED JANUARY 4, 2011 9:30 AM
“A SHALLOW GOD?”

IRT:
"It's not God we malign. It's your twisted version of a small and shallow god that fries his gay children (he himself created) in hell while some of your "celibate" male clergy enjoys your time honored tradition of helping themselves to the bodies of little boys and your "Holy" Church looks the other way and even protects them."

ANS:
I doubt if little boys burn in Hell, they first have to reach the use of reason. Besides, no one knows who goes to Hell and neither do you. The Church will not even condemn Judas.

Since there is only one God, anything else is an oxymoron. I’m sure you don’t know why, and if you did, you wouldn’t admit it. Therefore, He is not just my God but yours as well, and fortunately, it is a fait complete, and you can do nothing about it.

My shallow and twisted view of God is He is Omniscient, Omnipotent, Prescient, All-Merciful, All-Just, and the Creator of the Universe. If that is shallow and weak, then what is your version of a god, if you even have one?

Now if God created the Universe, and the Founding Fathers seemed to think so, since they subsequently based your inalienable rights on that assumption, do you presume to have the intelligence to audaciously challenge God's Wisdom? How would you have created a Universe and designed its Natural Laws. How would you create a Galaxy and a Sun or man any better?

You see the problem with Pagans and Secularists is they try to make God a human as did the Greeks and Romans. He is not; He is God the Maker of all things. If the vastness of God’s intelligence was represented by the entire Universe filled completely with sand, on comparison, man’s intelligence would be one grain of that sand.

When one violates the Civil Law, whose legitimate basis is God’s Natural & Moral Laws, do you also become as derisive and discombobulated, or is it just the Catholics that ignite your enmity?

So don’t be so presumptuous to challenge the intelligence of God. He doesn’t make mistakes; man does. In addition, God is the personification of Justice and Mercy whose Love for man is incomprehensible and fathomless.

Satan challenged God as did Adam and look what fate they came to. Satan fell from the skies like a bolt of lightning into the pit of Hell. Adam ended up getting the whole human race in trouble. Both had deluded themselves into thinking they were as brilliant as God. Assuming God is not All-powerful, and All knowing for them turned out to be a fatal miscalculation. Thus, a word to the wise should be sufficient. It is said, unite your will to God and exciting things will happen. Try it sometime.

For alphabet soup boy. Here is your church doing all it can to make up for it's culture of perversion:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2011-01-04-Milwaukee-sex-abuse-bankruptcy_N.htm

The CC loves money and power more than children. The Vatican should be liable in all of these cases and Ratzy should do something to help instead of babbling nazi rhetoric.

IN REPLY TO (IRT)
EEZMAMATA
POSTED JANUARY 2, 2011 4:59 PM
“THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER”

IRT:
“Once the Catholic Church starts turning over the molesters to the civil authorities for punishment, then maybe people will start believing the pope when he says such things.”

ANS:
Do you know what a Public School “rubber room is? Instead of your objurgate reproach against the Church, try reading these links sometime and you might learn what the Church has done to prevent this cultural abomination that has been generated by the Sexual Revolution and was engineered by the Secularists. Of course, Truth has little standing with the myopic Secularists, who seem to parrot the first things that come to their minds without any substantiality or evidence of their truth.

While at it try doing a little research on the Public Schools, in particular New York City’s pedophile and pederasty indiscretions that are supported at an incredulous cost to the taxpayers. Then, read up on the Political Correct doctors of the APA who evaluated these pervert priests.

http://www.bishop-accountability.org/reports/2004_02_CatholicLeague_SexualAbuse.htm

“The National Child Abuse and Neglect Data Systems was developed by the Children’s Bureau of the U.S. Department of Human Services in partnership with the States to collect annual statistics on child maltreatment from State child protective services agencies. For the year 2001, it was found that approximately 903,000 children were victims of child maltreatment, 10 percent of whom (or 90,000) were sexually abused. It also found that 59 percent of the perpetrators of child abuse or neglect were women and 41 percent were men." It isn't just the small number of priests who are abusing children.

“In 2001, clinical child psychologist Wade F. Horn reported on the work of researchers at Johns Hopkins University School of Public Health. The researchers found that nearly 20 percent of low-income women, recruited through family planning, obstetrical or gynecological clinics, had experienced child sexual abuse.

”Horn summarized the researchers’ findings on poor women as follows: “Family friends and acquaintances compose the largest group of perpetrators (28 percent), followed by such relatives as uncles and cousins (18 percent), stepfathers (12 percent), male siblings (10 percent), biological fathers (10 percent), boyfriends of the child’s mother (9 percent), grandfathers and stepgrandfathers (7 percent), and strangers (4 percent).” Horn was struck by the fact that 10 percent were biological fathers and only 4 percent were strangers.

“Which means,” he said, “86 percent of the perpetrators were known to the family, but were someone other than the child’s father.” Unfortunately, it's not the Church that is the cause of such diabolical ignominy nor is it the few number of priest who betrayed their vows, the Church, and the families who trusted them; it's the Culture.

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P.S. TTWSYFAMDGGAHJMJ1

If the 10 year-olds you are obsessed with are little boys, maybe you yourself should be hidden in a Church sponsored "rehabilitation"

"...if it were not for the God they consistently malign.

Posted by: TTWSYFAMDGGAHJMJ1

It's not God we malign. It's your twisted version of a small and shallow god that fries his gay children (he himself created) in hell while some of your "celibate" male clergy enjoys your time honored tradition of helping themselves to the bodies of little boys and your "Holy" Church looks the other way and even protects them.

"We are well aware of the particular gravity of this sin committed by priests and of our corresponding responsibility," the pope said.

Posted by: mrsesposito7

So bring them forth instead of hiding them.
Until then, the Pope's crock runneth over.

MEDIA, RELIGION, and the TROGLODYTES:
The greatest impact on religion is Mother Angelica. The EWTN Network encompasses the whole world. That's why it is amazing how the troglodyte atheists shrivel up when they have to confront the adversities that the Catholic embolden truths present to the credence of their beliefs. It blows their minds out of the Universe.

Quite indignantly and without decorum, their objurgated carping is that a ten year old has their minds so confounded that they cannot think. It’s not the Pope that is the problem with their inability to think, or a 10 year old the reason they can't see the truth; it is their closed minds.

It's somewhat self-assuring to see the iconoclast explode into a cacophony of diatribes and nonsensical prattle, and to see the morally blind bumping into each other, stumbling over the truths that would set them free, if they could recognize them.

Consequently, they've become babbling social dissidents in an odyssey that leads them to more confusion and angst. Secularism and Enlightenment are the dead ends of social ignoramuses and a formula for social suicide.

To prove this point one might try reading the post of Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum, two antagonists of the Catholic Church who live in Alice and Wonderland. When confronted with the Truths that are adverse to their irrational beliefs, they never try disputing them; they attack the messengers.

Though they haven’t enough intelligence to even tie his shoes, these two misanthrope amebas attempt to belittle the Pope who represents the truths they cannot fathom. However, it is not the Pope that has them so rumpled, but Catholic truth is the true culprit of their angst, the cause of their consternation.

Consequently, two bumpkins are complaining that a 10 year old has disheveled their aberrant mental state of equilibrium, has infected their habitus- and their injudicious thought processes so much that they can’t concentrate, assuming that they are capable of concentrating.

Maybe they should take two aspirins and rest so they can return refreshed for this New Year, a New Year they wouldn’t have if it were not for the God they consistently malign.

I agree with Father Pavone. The truth has an appeal to it. It offends, obviously (just read many of the posts!), but it IS the truth. Thank you Father for doing this column!

TTWSYFAMDGGAHJMJ1, stop wasting my time. You never actually address what I write, or mean, or anything like that.

What are you, 10 years old?

Here, kiss this.

Posted by: eezmamata

hear, hear

Trying to have an intelligent exchange of ideas with his Excellency who can only spout cliches from the Catholic Encyclopedia is like trying to pee up a rope. He expects us all to kiss his ring and he can kiss my butt.

TTWSYFAMDGGAHJMJ1, stop wasting my time. You never actually address what I write, or mean, or anything like that.

What are you, 10 years old?

Here, kiss this.

IN REPLY TO (IRT)
EEZMAMATA
“SINNERS”
POSTED | JANUARY 2, 2011 3:51 AM

IRT:
"Ah, yes, the old appeal to arithmetic logic."

ANS:
Logic doesn’t’ work unless the first premises are true, and the rules of logic must be faithfully followed.

IRT:
“If we are to use numbers as evidence for anything, how about these numbers? Most people on our planet are not even Christian, let alone Catholic. This must surely count as Catholicism the wrong cult, but that Christianity itself is the wrong religion.
That's how evidence works, fred.

ANS:
Try this link for evidence and scroll down to” Motives of Credibility.”

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05752c.htm

Numbers prove nothing. The majority of Germany followed Hitler, the mice and the children followed the Pied Piper, while over half of America followed Obama. Hitler’s Germany collapsed, the children had to be rescued from the Piper, and Americans chose Secularism and a Socialist Communist to lead America to imploding.

Hence, over 52 million unborn have died from abortion. We are shutting down our coalmines, undermining our defense systems, stopping our oil drilling, infiltrating our auto industry. Obama is threatening our Pharmaceutical industry, destroying the greatest health care system in the world, has insulted all of our staunch allies, groveled to the terrorists and Muslims and then went to Hawaii for his seventeenth vacation. The destruction buisness is wearing him out.

What the measure of credibility of Catholicism is shown in the fruits it yields. Try comparing Pagan, Hindu, Buddha, Shinto, Atheism, or Islam to Catholicism. There is no comparison.

Numbers are not the standard of credibility; it's the fruit they bear.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05752c.htm

"The history of the interaction within Roman Catholicism between science and religion has been dominated by its hierarchical structure. On the other hand the insistence on reason as fundamental to the relationship of human beings to the universe and, therefore, to the Creator of the Universe has played an important role in the birth of Modern Science and provides a platform for the dialogue between the belief system of Roman Catholicism and other disciplines, especially Science.

The Catholic belief system includes the fundamental affirmation that nature has a rational structure which human intelligence is capable of probing and, in fact, is driven to probe. The basis for this affirmation lies principally in the Johannine tradition of the Logos. John the Evangelist confronted early Christian belief with the world of Greek philosophy. In addition, early Christian reflection upon lived, historical events, especially those recorded in John's Gospel, sees in such events the insertion of God's plan, thought, and word into the universe."

IN REPLY TO (IRT)
EEZMAMATA
“SINNERS”
POSTED | JANUARY 2, 2011 3:51 AM

IRT:
"In fact, it still is the largest Christian faith. How is that so even with so much sin?"

ANS:
Just because one is a sinner, it doesn’t mean they're stupid, even a criminal can do some things right. So man, when sane, he chooses the right religion, when lacking intelligence or common sense he chooses to sin.

That there are 1.3 billion Catholics and some are sinners doesn’t cast aspersions on the Truths of the Church; it only means the sinner thinks he’s smarter than God, like atheists think the Universe created itself and them, viz. a lack of common sense.

Sinners are why Jesus instituted His Church. If there were no sinners, there would be no need of a Church. Unfortunately, Adam screwed God’s plans up and now we got the sin from Adam and the Church from God simply because God didn't abandon man; man abandoned God.

Thus, it is written in Matthew 9: 11cf. “And the Pharisees seeing it said to his disciples, 'Why doth your master eat with publicans and sinners?' But Jesus hearing it, said, 'They that are in health need not a physician, but they that are ill. I am not come to call the just, but sinners.”

Because God wants man to love Him freely, he endowed man with a free will. You can take a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink, and neither can the Church make man love God. However, man has to choose to ask God for help and save himself. If man doesn’t choose God freely, he freely chooses to go to Hell.

Consequently, sinners are falling into Hell like the leaves falling off trees in Autumn even though the Church and God are there to save them. Why? Because of the sinner's arrogance, self-centeredness, and pride, he abandons God and trust solely in himself.

However, it is written, “With man nothing is possible; with God all things are possible." No one tells the sinner what to do, not even the God who made man and died for his good.

Thus, Abraham, with Lazarus in his arms told the rich man who died and went to Hell that “If the brothers of the rich man cannot believe the Scriptures and the prophets, not even rising from the dead will convince them.”

Even though God never stops loving the sinner, and is willing to forgive him, and even though God does everything to save the sinner, God will never take away the sinner’s free will. Consequently, sinners are falling into Hell like the leaves falling off trees in Autumn even though the Church and God is there to save the sinner.

So MRSESPOSITO7, is that just political spin or does he mean it?

And it's only the first step anyway. Once the catholic church starts turning over the molesters to the civil authorities for punishment, then maybe people will start believing the pope when he says such things.

That includes those who are guilty after the fact by the way, those bishops and cardinals and other catholic bureaucrats who felt their good name was more important than the bums of little boys. Those men who just move the molesters around, guilty, after the fact.

VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- In response to the "unimaginable" scandal of clerical sex abuse against minors, the church must reflect, repent, and do everything possible to rectify the injustices suffered by victims as it works to prevent such abuse from ever happening again, said Pope Benedict XVI.

The pope said he and others were "dismayed" when, during a year dedicated to the world's priests, further cases of clerical sex abuse came to light "to a degree we could not have imagined."

"We must accept this humiliation as an exhortation to truth and a call to renewal. Only the truth saves," the pope said Dec. 20 in his annual pre-Christmas address to the Roman Curia and cardinals who reside in Rome.

In his seven-page reflection on the past year, the pope dedicated a large part of his speech to the impact of sex abuse by priests.

He said priests who committed such scandals "twist" the sacrament of ordination into its "antithesis" when they, "under the mantle of the sacred, profoundly wound human persons in their childhood, damaging them for a whole lifetime."

The face of the church is soiled and her clothes torn "because of the sins of priests," the pope said, referring to the writings of the 12th-century German mystic, St. Hildegard of Bingen, who had visions of a church wounded and sullied because of abuses by clergy evident in her day.

"We are well aware of the particular gravity of this sin committed by priests and of our corresponding responsibility," the pope said.

' In fact it still is the largest Christian faith..how is that so even with so much sin?'

Ah, yes, the old appeal to arithmetic logic.

Let's go along with that, if we are to use numbers as evidence for anything, how about these numbers?

Most people on our planet are not even Christian, let alone Catholic. This must surely count as evidence that not is Catholicism the wrong cult, but that Christianity itself is the wrong religion.

That's how evidence works, fred.

Ah another new year...so that makes 2011 years "AD". One has to wonder how on earth such evil leaders of the Church (as the posts would have us believe?) have not destroyed the Catholic Church. In fact it still is the largest Christian faith..how is that so even with so much sin? The Holy Spirit prevails 2011 years and counting. Other christian denominations continue to divide themselves. Did Christ intend for so many divisions of His church? Who is the author of confusion and division? So call no man on earth "father"..does that mean we should get rid of "Father's Day" uh oh..what about Paul calling himself a spiritual father in scripture..maybe we need a new version..talk about moral relavitism...Is there no objective truth? Who do we trust here?

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pedophile. child molester. pederast.

Deal with those words, those names. Anything else you have to say never makes it out of the sewer you live in until you do.

The only thing that would be "newsmaking" is if the Pope announced he is turning over all known pervert priests for civil prosecution.

Those happened at the lowest point of influence of the RCC in the Western world history.

Lower than it's been for the past 50 years? One can only imagine how much more good Urban II could have done with automatic weapons and tanks.

"It seems to me that the less influence the RCC has had in Europe over time the more peaceful it's become" - CORNBREAD_R2

Of course, if you totally ignore the Bolshevik revolution, the Ukrainian harvest of sorrow and two world wars to say the least. Those happened at the lowest point of influence of the RCC in the Western world history. Proud and brilliant modern ideologies have brought a human cost in the hundreds of millions of innocent lives.
Talk about "peaceful".

The Catholic Church had the authority and the strength to do that back then and will have the authority and the strength today to bring Western civilization out of the debauchery and incivility is submersing itself into. -- GSeeker

It seems to me that the less influence the RCC has had in Europe over time the more peaceful it's become.

I totally agree with MRSESPOSITO7 about the contributions of the Church to the very existence of Western civilization. It was the Church that took Rome out of the ashes of the destruction of the Roman Empire and actually founded Europe. The Catholic Church had the authority and the strength to do that back then and will have the authority and the strength today to bring Western civilization out of the debauchery and incivility is submersing itself into.

Speaking of human rights, when is the church going to start a campaign to end homophobia?
Young people have been bullied, spied upon, and have committed suicide. Gay men and women are routinely harassed, beaten and sometimes murdered. I think this puts it in the “respect for life” arena. Yet there are no sermons, no activism at election time and no mention of it in the public arena. That kind of neglect would never happen with the abortion issue.
I've contacted my local archdiocesan office three times in the past three months to ask about this. No reply. Holy Mother doesn't have to endorse homosexuality, just use a little of her influence to end the hate. John Paul II said that anti Semitism is a sin, and good for him. Of course that took 2000 years.

Speaking of human rights, when is the church going to start a campaign to end homophobia?
Young people have been bullied, spied upon, and have committed suicide. Gay men and women are routinely harassed, beaten and sometimes murdered. I think this puts it in the “respect for life” arena. Yet there are no sermons, no activism at election time and no mention of it in the public arena. That kind of neglect would never happen with the abortion issue.
I've contacted my local archdiocesan office three times in the past three months to ask about this. No reply. Holy Mother doesn't have to endorse homosexuality, just use a little of her influence to end the hate. John Paul II said that anti Semitism is a sin, and good for him. Of course that took 2000 years.

so what would you have? The entire Catholic Church just fold up? The happenings themselves are not the Church. It is evident that you will excoriate me for anything I say in favor of the Church, the Holy Father or anything related. Knock yourselves out! You can rant about things I did _not_ say all day long. Because I initially was not addressing the abuse scandal explicitly, only implicitly-this caused you to erupt with venom.
In my OP I stated and I stand by it; that it will all be shaken, and then we will see who and what is left standing. Believe what you will, as for me, I am with the Church and the Holy Father. Viva Il Papa!

Actuallly, Gladerunner, I think Mrsesposito7 intended "obviously" to modify the previous sentence: "Although I wasn't talking directly about that subject, implied in 'dissident' IS anyone engaged in such behavior. Obviously."

And that makes her whole thought process even scarier than you might have thought.

"Although I wasn't talking directly about that subject, implied in "dissident" IS anyone engaged in such behavior. Obviously."

Mrsesposito7,

It's hard not to take issue with people who make ridiculous statements like this.

The fact that you equate dissidents with deviants is all the evidence anyone needs to question your defense of the church fathers.

When you say "but you and others can't have, or let anyone else have ANY other discussion about the Church than the abuse one," you're simply highlighting the fact that the Catholic church's response to the issue of pedophile priests has been staggeringly inadequate. If the holy men had addressed the problem openly, transparently, effectively, and thoroughly, people wouldn't still bring it up when discussing the Catholic church. It is the absence of genuine concern and responsive action that has infuriated so many people -- both Catholic and non.

And when you say "The Holy Father is not covering anything up, is addressing and dealing with the Church in a way that brings the light of Christ to bear on those situations and others that need to be rectified," you offer nothing but doublespeak that has no meaning to victims, their loved ones, Catholics at large, and the public.

What the Catholic boys' club -- and rationalizers like you -- don't understand is that sexual abuse of children is a horrific, psychologically devastating crime that leaves its victims with a lifetime of fighting demons. It's not an issue about which you can say, "Well, let's set this aside for now and discuss other things about Catholicism." Until the church has satisfied its legal and moral obligations to all victims and their families, we won't be setting this issue aside for anyone.

Sorry if that complicates your faith and belief system, but that's the way it is.

mrsesposito7:
“Obviously. The Holy Father is not covering anything up,”
How exactly is that ‘obvious’?

“. And until you begin characterizing EVERY institution where abuse is found, (and in far far greater numbers than the Church . . . ...then please allow folks to have a discussion in peace”

First, and foremost, The RCC via its officers have been shown to be covering up, at a very high level the activities in thousands of incidents. It has actively moved priests around to avoid discovery and embarrassment. The abuse is bad enough, but not the real issue. It is the institutionalized obfuscation and evasion that keeps this thing on the front burner.
A perfect example is Pavone’s response to the question ‘What issue or person do you expect to have the biggest impact in the year to come?” He spoke of the RCC’s Human rights efforts and media relations… he did not even tacitly allude to the enormous elephant in the room, the very issue that has been the source of most controversy/discussion about the church the last few years. As if it didn’t still exist.
This issue is a seething wound on the face of the church, it is not a closed or healed wound that can just be ignored simply because the pope issued a reserved and guarded apology. This issue is going to cost billions more in church assets, for years to come, and even Pavone acts as though it’s a trivial thing of the distant past.
Is there more abuse in other institutions? Probably, but those institutions generally do not hide the perpetrators in a global bureaucracy. Those other institutions do not claim infallibility, perfect innocence, immutability or certain safety. Blaming the accusers for their unwillingness or lack of effort to go after other offenders does nothing to resolve or even mitigate the actions of the church. Do we only prosecute the worst thieves? Does the church only wag its finger at the worst sinners?
“and dealing with the Church in a way that brings the light of Christ to bear on those situations and others that need to be rectified”
‘bringing the light of Christ to bear’ does nothing to address the civil and criminal laws that have been broken. If someone, anyone, abused your child would you be satisfied with an apology and a prayer? Real children, thousands, have been seriously harmed here, violated, that fact is not even in dispute. What is unconscionable is the behavior of the church in protecting itself at the expense of those very children. A true believer in the church ought to be furious at this mess the church leadership has put itself and its members in. The accusers here are not the ones committing the crimes.

I have only one HOLY Father and He's the Heavenly Father. Jesus, referring to people in spiritual leadership, said, "Call no man 'Father'; because only God in heaven is your Father."

The Roman Catholic Church denomination does NOT stand for the rights of all American Citizens living in this Country.

The RCC picks and chooses, aka proof-texts, scriptures out of their original contexts to suit its own political agendas.

There is no way that they can scientifically prove that Peter's bones are in Rome.

Dear Haveaheart-

I was talking about dissident bishops, priests, and Carol-Keehan types. Did I SAY no one should be punished for any other wrong ever done on the Churchs' watch? Course not. But you and others can't have, or let anyone else have ANY other discussion about the Church than the abuse one. Although I wasn't talking directly about that subject, implied in "dissident" IS anyone engaged in such behavior. Obviously. The Holy Father is not covering anything up, is addressing and dealing with the Church in a way that brings the light of Christ to bear on those situations and others that need to be rectified. And until you begin characterizing EVERY institution where abuse is found, (and in far far greater numbers than the Church)as "horrendously evil" oh say like schools, families...then please allow folks to have a discussion in peace, and stop attacking every person that utters the word "Catholic."

Peter's bones are in Rome, and I believe Paul's as well. The Church does stand for human rights, for all, not just for Catholics. But the rights to practice one's religion is important, and those rights, in places like Iraq and Pakistan , are terribly abused.
It seems that the media do all they can to marginalise Catholics. We have rights, and any attempt to demean Catholics , as a group must be defended. No one, not in film, or in print, has the right to demean out faith. And they have to be held accountable.

Meanwhile, the Church mouthpieces continue to say what they always have, claim to stand for 'human rights' while claiming that human rights they oppose 'aren't really human rights we're opposing,' and then when there's general outcry about how wrong-headed they are, go:

"Waitwaitwait, you're not hearing it right, we said *you* are wrong! Aren't we 'engaged?'"

"I pray the bishops follow suit and the dissidents stand out for what they are, and are either marginalized or defrocked."

Mrsesposito7,

So you would have dissidents defrocked but not the pedophiles?

Typical of organized religion's response to morality issues. In the case of the Catholic church, those who threaten the power and authority of the hierarchy are criminals, but those who harm innocent, vulnerable children are simply hidden away from public view so as not to stain the church.

Are you truly incapable of seeing the ugliness and hypocrisy here?

Resources2BCatholic:
“From the previous posts, it is clear the vast majority of society is totally unaware of the contribution the Catholic Church has made to the development of society in history”

Not necessarily. European society was dominated by a ruthless and totalitarian church form around 300 to the mid 1500’s. They made the rules, they hunted down and persecuted heretics. They even attacked (crusaded) the other church, the Eastern church which had seceded from Rome’s control. They appointed and anointed kings, sent armies out to defend and expand its reach. So yes, in much of Europe you can safely say that the church did contribute to the development of society, since there was very little legal/safe alternative.
I’m not saying that all the Church ever did was evil, not at all. In the last few decades, it has been striving to be portrayed as a bastion of peace, love and goodness. It has certainly been charitable, no one could deny that. But to whitewash the history of over a thousand years of total and forced domination of an entire continent is absurd.
Yes the church inspired great architecture, great art, great music. Because no one else the Church-states it dominated had the resources to compete with it. If an artist, a builder a musician wanted to work in his craft, he had virtually no other choice but to solicit the church-state.

“The first bibles were painstakingly handwritten in monasteries”
Of course they were, same reason as presented earlier. All other ‘bibles’ were forbidden, banned, hunted down, destroyed. And there is compelling evidence that the monks not only preserved the ancient history, they also modified it a bit. Then of course the whole ‘bible’ was canonized by the very early church, they decided which of the thousands of texts available would be included, and evidently made efforts to destroy those that were deemed heretical, gnostic, or just merely too uncomfortable for inclusion.
“The "way" was the only christian church until the 1500's”
Better said: The "way" was the only Christian church ALLOWED TO EXIST until the 1500's, though the Eastern Church had split in the 11th century (after centuries of dispute and bickering.)
Once again, this is not to deny the Church’s current activities and intentions. Just a clarification of the Church’s role, historically, for European society.
Notice I keep saying ‘European’. Great art, music architecture was also a part of other non-Christian cultures. Innovations were springing up all over the world, not just in the relatively small Roman Empire. So where societal contributions were indeed made by the church (good and bad), it was far from the only place in the world that society was coming of age.
Some could even argue that society evolved IN SPITE of the Church's domination and oppressions.

Pope Benedict XVI has persistently spoken out about the evil of abortion and its damage to societies,individuals and the Family.He has faced much opposition this year because He speaks the Truth about these situations,He doesn't try to sugar coat evil,He exposes it for what it really is,and will continue to do so.May Our Lord Jesus Christ Bless Pope Benedict XVI His Holy Servant,all of his work Lord that You have given him,all For Your Greater Love Honor and Glory,
Amen.

Pope Benedict XVI has persistently spoken out about the evil of abortion and its damage to societies,individuals and the Family.He has faced much opposition this year because He speaks the Truth about these situations,He doesn't try to sugar coat evil,He exposes it for what it really is,and will continue to do so.May Our Lord Jesus Christ Bless Pope Benedict XVI His Holy Servant,all of his work Lord that You have given him,all For Your Greater Love Honor and Glory,
Amen.

I believe we are entering a season of time which will throw all true believers in Christ into high contrast. to those who would revile the Holy Father and the Church, I say, just watch and see. As the Church holds to her eternal and true tenets, the world can swirl about all it likes, people can scream obscenities all they like, but in the end, Christ will prevail, and those of his body that persevere. The Holy Father should and will continue unafraid. I pray the bishops follow suit and the dissidents stand out for what they are, and are either marginalized or defrocked.

It does not matter which apostle made it to Rome first. What does matter is who was given the keys to the kingdom, and that was Peter (it's in the bible). He was always considered the leader of the apostles whether in Jerusalem or in Rome. He was eventually leader of the church in Rome and was finally crucified upside down in Rome. These are well established facts.
For those who revile the Catholic Church so much, it is also an institution made up of fallable men, who do not always live up to their calling; ergo we see the need for many reforms through the centuries. But, the Church has never wavered in her infallable positions on faith and morals, because the Holy Spirit will be with her to the end of time. Christ did not leave us orphans. It's in the bible.

From the previous posts, it is clear the vast majority of society is totally unaware of the contribution the Catholic Church has made to the development of society in history. The "way" was the only christian church until the 1500's, coined with the name "catholic(greek for universal or world wide)" in 70AD. The next time you visit St. Louis, San Francisco (San=saint Francisco=Francis) or St. Mary's hospital thank the Catholic church:)The first bibles were painstakingly handwritten in monasteries. I would say education in the media is sorely needed to keep everyone out of the dark:) Bravo Fr. Frank for issuing a need for media to help others understand the Catholic faith.

So true. Is refreshing to see the Pope being a powerful voice in the world. I was going to say "still", but that word has no place here. It is clear by now that the papacy will continue to be the voice of Christ until His return. That is his job, the job Christ himself appointed the papacy to do until He Himself fulfills His promise.

"As usual, Father understands the need for open, public debate."

Dollyangel,

Bet you were a cheerleader in your parochial high school.

My Ukrainian grandmother, a woman with a third-grade education who read three English newspapers every day, had a word for people like you: she called them "tyemni" -- loosely translated as "in the dark."

And that's fine. No one requires you to have a curious mind. You can follow along and "baa-haa" all you like.

But it is unfortunate that you are blind to the horrendous evil that your church "fathers" have perpetrated on innocent, defenseless children. They apparently have no shame, but you should.

Looks like a couple people posting here need a serious lesson in the history of the Catholic Church, and they also need to read my comments made here on December 21, 2010....and I certainly do not mean that Father needs to do these things!

As usual, Father understands the need for open, public debate. To date, we mostly have only had the media putting the microphone in front of antis and dissidents and somehow some people believe the nonsense being spewed out by such is what the Church believes and teaches! Ridiculous!
Bravo to the Holy Father, the bishops, priests and other Catholic leaders who tell it like it is--and bravo once again to Father Pavone. Indeed, the truth does make one free--for those who have ears to hear and eyes to see. For those who choose to ignore truth, it's their loss.

Amen, may it be so. Thank you Father Pavone for all you do. The prayers of my children and I go out to you and all the priests who bravely offer your lives to God in a time where the church is so badly wounded and just to wear the collar of a priest you suffer much. God bless you!

What the cc needs is a good bleach enema straight up it's Vatican. Every time your head poobah opens his Nazi mouth he makes a bigger fool of himself and the religion. After almost two thousand yrs of swindling the poor of the world and supporting up every manner of brutal regime, including the third reich, the cc should liquidate it's assets and use them to feed world hunger, not spread more superstitious babble. And all of the those victims of the pedophiles that Rattzy protected and enabled for so many yrs should have the 'holy' C kiss their naked arses in the middle of Times Square at high noon.

First of all, the Roman Catholic Church IS the one, true, holy Church established by Christ to save souls for Him. Read Scott Hahn's search for the Truth in Home Sweet Rome.

Second, Father, the mainstream media is not always kind to Catholics unless they are the dissident ones like Sister Keehan and her minions. However, Jesus told us not to fear--so as Texas Ranger Walker says, "we need to use our fear to act with courage and not let our fear rule us."

Finally, I look forward to your columns each week. Keep 'em coming!!

I agree with Father, we need to have more church leaders stand up to the truth of our society today. Praise God we have some that do such as Father Frank. God bless you, Father, in your ministry.

I agree with Father, we need to have more church leaders stand up to the truth of our society today. Praise God we have some that do such as Father Frank. God bless you, Father, in your ministry.

In spite of what they believe the Roman Catholic Church is NOT THE Church established by Jesus in 30 AD.

There is no evidence in the Bible that Peter ever made it to Rome. Paul was there 1st according to the Book of Acts.

Paul called the name of the original 1st Century AD Church "The Way."