Religious leaders must safeguard life

IN REPLY TO
AREYOUSAYING
“Scolding, Eternally Blaming?”

IRT:
"Scolding, punitive, eternally blaming and finally racist - the last resort of religious bullies who had their fingers whacked by a ruler in middle school by a Mother Superior."

ANS:
Dizzy Dean said “It ain’t bragging if you can back it up.” Namely, it’s not bullying, it’s just stating the facts and you think it’s bullying. Not like your allegations, the facts can be backed up.

Further, Catholics have no middle schools, another one of your many misstatements; Catholic Schools are parochial schools from K to 8. After” 8,” you go to High School, “9 to 12”.

Catholic religion doesn’t tolerate racism. In fact, the Catholic Church was the only institution in the South that didn’t discriminate in their schools except when the racist political world proscribed mixed races in all school systems. All Public Schools in the South and Indiana discriminated until “Brown v. Board of Education.” In the world of Catholicism, all men are created equal.

http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/prologue.htm#1

THE DUTY OF A CATHOLIC:
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you," and "Love your neighbor as you love yourself."

“Do nothing out of selfishness or out of vainglory; rather, "HUMBLY REGARD OTHERS" as more important than yourselves. Father, this is eternal life, that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent. God our Savior desires "ALL" men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.”

Consequently, no one Catholic can say that all men are not equal, a Catholic principle the Founding Fathers recognized.

"God, infinitely perfect and blessed in himself, in a plan of sheer goodness freely created man to make him share in his own blessed life. For this reason, at every time and in every place, God draws close to man. He calls man to seek him, to know him, to love him with all his strength. He calls "together all men," scattered and divided by sin, into the unity of his family, the Church.

"To accomplish this, when the fullness of time had come, God sent His Son as Redeemer and Savior. In His Son and through Him, He invites men to become, in the Holy Spirit, His adopted children and thus heirs of His blessed life.

“So that this call should resound throughout the world, [Hence all men] Christ sent forth the apostles 'Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age.’

Strengthened by this mission, the apostles "went forth and preached 'everywhere,' while the Lord worked with them and confirmed the message by the signs that attended it." No one but a morally myopic troglodyte, can derive that this is racism, but you have”

IN REPLY TO
AREYOUSAYING
“ABORTION IS NOT THE ISSUE”

IRT:
The issue is not abortion, gay sex or your lies Obama is a Muslim. The issue is your church still hiding perverts..."

ANS:
Neither is the issue pedophilia and priest, but you have made it that. I believe it is hypocrisy to rail on about pedophile priest and be blind to Abortion and Gay Sex. Oh I am sure you don’t want to talk about Abortion or gay sex, but in fact that’s all you’ve been unwittingly rattling about.

The issue is violence. Abortion is very relative because what begets violence is disrespect for human life, but the morally blind and the recalcitrant implacable agnostics cannot see the connection. Thus, Mother Teresa said if we cannot tell a mother not to murder her own child, how can we tell others not to murder others? That you won't answer, or even can you without exposing your vile sanctimony?

You are too recreant to answer if you support such beliefs that do incomprehensible violence to all mankind? I believe you do, since all Secularists do. Susan Jacoby, a quixotic, vindictive Secularist who refuses to face the same issues you face, for the same reasons as you, viz. the fear of exposing her hypocrisy.

Being pro-abortion and pro-gay sex, while railing about pedophile priests, is patent hypocrisy. In so, you support the most ruthless, heinous, and diabolical kind of remorseless violence on a child possible. So, which are you?

IRT:
“I will not give it a rest. Get used to it.
I will not be bullied by you or any other fanatic right-wing theocon.”

ANS:
A saint on his conversion said, “You shouted and you broke through my deafness.” A rich man in Hell cried out to Abraham, Luke 16:22cf. “No, father Abraham, but if one went to them [his living brothers] from the dead, they will do penance." Abraham replied, “If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they believe one who rises again from the dead” a.k.a. Jesus.

If they will not believe the prophets, the Scriptures, miracles, (even today at Lourdes & Fatima), their own conscience, their reason, the order and cause of the Universe, and not even the rise of the dead, who will they believe? God's Wisdom in the Scriptures is vindicated by its works. St. Thomas Aquinas noted, “For he who has Faith no proof is necessary; for he who has no faith, no proof is possible.”

It is said, "A word to the wise is sufficient," however, a word to the unwise is like talking to a fool. Hence, in “Romans 1: 21cf. “ Because that, when they knew God, they have not glorified him as God or given thanks: but became vain in their thoughts. And their foolish heart was darkened. For, professing themselves to be wise, they became fools; they changed the truth of God into a lie and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator." Violence is the creature wrought by a false disbelief in God.

"You have been told repeatedly,,"

"...is it any wonder why you’re so disheveled and confused, why you can’t show any substance for you prattle, because up to now, that’s all its been."

"Moreover, left wing media opinions don't connect because they're all propaganda. You certainly don't support the Obama Adm. do you.."

",,,is it any wonder why you’re so disheveled and confused, why you can’t show any substance for you prattle, because up to now, that’s all its been."

"Moreover, some 40 percent of US pregnancies are out of wedlock, as are some 70 percent of Black pregnancies and 55 percent of Blacks are aborted."

Scolding, punitive, eternally blaming and finally racist - the last resort of religious bullies who had their fingers whacked by a ruler in middle school by a Mother Superior.

The issue is not abortion, gay sex or your lies Obama is a Muslim.
The issue is your church still hiding perverts, and, until it stops, there is no justice for the victims, your verbose rambling distractions notwithstanding.

I will not give it a rest. Get used to it.

I will not be bullied by you or any other fanatic right-wing theocon.

This is a public forum and until your Father censors me, you and twistedthingamajig will have to put up with me. Anyone who says a Catholic propaganda organ or Fox News is "fair and balanced" clearly has a problem with their own Ninth Commandment.

Save your Relevant Radio commercials for someone else. The fact remains your church is still hiding its perverts. This fact makes you, Father and the pompous old, rosary twisting bully twistedthingamajig without credibility.

AREYOUSAYING: This will be my last response to your comments in this particular column.
You have been told repeatedly here that the Church HAS done MORE THAN ANY OTHER group/organization as far as correcting the problem of abuse. Obviously, you're making the choice not to believe that, but do understand that's your particular opinion; not the truth.
You really do need other resources as far as 'news'; sources which do not show any bias against the Church. I gave you an excellent one: Relevant Radio. If you would listen for a few months, you would see how misleading some other sources have been.
It appears you're more interested in bashing Father Pavone and the posters here than you are in any legitimate, friendly discussion. You have certainly made your point and we all know your position. You're not impressing anyone by your negative comments against anyone Catholic, so do give it a rest.
There's an old saying: If you want respect, show respect. That is probably more important in a discussion such as here, since such forums should be a healthy exchange of ideas and information; not what someone WANTS to believe.

Have it your own ignorant way and may your Pope and his Cardinals Law, Mahoney and Rivera rot in your Catholic hell for their sins of protecting these monsters.

Your church has shown it cares not one iota whether or not your perverts are brought to justice. It's main concern is protecting its image.

IN REPLY TO (IRT)
AREYOUSAYING
POSTED JANUARY 9, 2011 9:54 AM
“OBJECTIVITY AND REASON”

IRT:
“Dollyangel believing the Catholic propaganda organ Relevant Radio is the truth is like a teabagger claiming Fox News is "fair and balanced" Both are drinking their own bath water.”

ANS:
As long as they’re not drinking what you’re drinking from the propaganda organ of the Secularists, they won’t be dying from a lack of knowledge.

So Fox News is not balanced? I’ll bet you can’t show one newscast that is bias unless you consider "telling the truth" is bias, and you certainly have given us every indication to believe that assumption is true, viz. that for you, the only existing truths are those truths you've conjured up in your mind.

I’ll be willing to bet you don’t know the difference between political opinion and the news, and that you’re substituting political opinion for news.

Opinions don’t hide their bias; they admit to them. Moreover, left wing media opinions don't connect because they're all propaganda. You certainly don't support the Obama Adm. do you? Teabaggers is not their name but a part of your bias that shows your being sucked into the vortex of the gullible Left.

Unfortunately, for you, if you can’t tell the difference between the news and opinion, is it any wonder why you’re so disheveled and confused, why you can’t show any substance for you prattle, because up to now, that’s all its been.

Moreover, you’re only defense against the truth is to insult people with putrid mocking language; you have no answers for anything that has been written except an assault on the writer's character. I can’t recall anything you have written to date that isn't scandalizing and crude.

To revel in attempts to scandalize the Church might be some kind of warped and twisted avidity for you but the Church has never defended pedophilia. In fact, the opposite is true. Everything Catholic is violently opposed to gay sex and any form of child abuse.

You love generalities so you can’t be pinned down. That’s because you can’t substantiate any of your rude discordant character assassinations. That is the only defense an inordinate barbarian can conjure up. Your basic contribution to the forum is obvious harangue.

Moreover, you’ve adamantly avoided answering whether you believe gay-sex and abortion are inviolable rights. If you do, try defending them. Mother Teresa of Calcutta said the reciprocal for abortion is violence. Over fifty-two million American unborn are dead by the violence of abortion in America, and worldwide, 43 million unborn are aborted per year.

Moreover, some 40 percent of US pregnancies are out of wedlock, as are some 70 percent of Black pregnancies and 55 percent of Blacks are aborted. So don’t mock the Catholic Church and Her care for children; she has no equal. Have you something better defending the sanctity of human life, then show it.

AREYOUSAYING: In response to your later comment, you WILL get 'the truth' if you continue to listen to sources like Relevant Radio and Father Pavone.
However, if you plug your ears and refuse to see reason, that's your problem, and I have to feel sorry for anyone who does so. You can continue to make silly negative and rude comments, but don't expect anyone to 'convert' to your incredible 'reasoning.'

"You and Mrs. Pavone should really reconsider your opinions on this subject. Have you asked your wife what she thinks about this, Father? Most catholic women are pro birth control and pro choice. I bet your wife is too!"

Dwickert51

Reponse:

First of all, you need to be more respectful of others. Your address "You (meaning "Father") and Mrs. Pavone" is quite insulting to Father and to all serious Catholics like myself, most of whom are regular Sunday mass attendees. None of us have done anything to offend you personally, except maybe to differ with some of your ideas and beliefs. This disrespectful address says more about the negative aspect of your character then what you stand for. It's none other than an effort by you to shut others up who happen to disagree with you. If you don't like abuse my suggestion for you is not to be abusive to begin with.

Secondly, polls indicate what people think or believe, not the truth. Your implication that the Church is wrong because of what some and perhaps a majority of its adherents believe in simply does not rhyme. The Church must always remain on the side of the truth if it is going to be a voice that can be trusted. That said, if polls do indicate that most Catholic women are actually pro abortion, then that indicates that the Church needs to do more to persuade its members of the truth of its doctrines.

Sorry dolly. I listened to it a bit and for me it's "Irrelevant Radio"

Maybe you'll have some credibility when your Pope coughs up his known pervert predators in his clergy for civil prosecution.

Until then, this issue is a humongous, red, infected, puss-filled prom-night zit on your pretty pompous nose and it's not going away.

I have heard a lot of comments critical of the pope and his predecessor for shielding Cardinal Law, prior head of the Archdiocese of Boston, from his alleged past mishandling of the sex abuse situation within the his jurisdiction. While I disagree with the tone of much of the criticism being hurled towards the Pope and Church, I believe an appropriate answer by Father Pavone might be helpful in quelling this loud outcry, even though it may not change the mind of the most vociferous who are bent on attacking the religious institution against all reason.

Posted by: whawell
--------------------------------------------

Yes, Father, you're very educated and articulate, and I'm sure you have other talents in addition to being pro-life. "Quell this outcry" by telling us the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth about alleged cover-ups directed by Cardinal Law and about Cardinals Mahoney and Rivera of Mexico playing pass-the-pervert with Father Nicholas Aguilar, who is still free in Mexico after fleeing a US Justice conviction.

Please tell us the Pope is turning over all his known perverts in the clergy over to civil justice for prosecution. Please tell me so I can go away and no longer be among those who are, uh, ahem the "...most vociferous who are bent on attacking the religious institution against all reason."

AREYOUSAYING: Unlike the Left-leaning media, Relevant Radio is not afraid to go behind the scenes and tackle the hard issues and to show ALL sides of an issue, including issues relating specifically to the Catholic Church. As I said before, they welcome callers/ listeners of all viewpoints, including the Left, and of any faith belief, including agnostic and atheist, and are always respectful to their callers. Of course, they expect their callers to be respectful, in return. Those who, for example, use inappropriate or suggestive/offensive language, or who sometimes talk so much that the host cannot get a word in edgewise will not be given the podium. Hey--that's only fair. It's open discussion they want. No wonder people love this station!

That's something you never see most major media outlets do (except FOX, which isn't perfect, but more fair than most), especially on TV and radio. Instead, they expect us to--as my relatives used to--swallow anything they throw out as if it's the gospel truth. Anyone who tries to use logic and fact to make a point is censored or belittled, and name-calling ensues. No wonder so many people are starting to tune into stations like Relevant--they want and deserve to hear all sides of the issues, and Relevant has great respect for that, and for their listeners.
Why would anyone not want to hear all the facts and all the sides of the issues?

Hope everyone will tune in! :)

www.relevantradio.com

I have heard a lot of comments critical of the pope and his predecessor for shielding Cardinal Law, prior head of the Archdiocese of Boston, from his alleged past mishandling of the sex abuse situation within the his jurisdiction. While I disagree with the tone of much of the criticism being hurled towards the Pope and Church, I believe an appropriate answer by Father Pavone might be helpful in quelling this loud outcry, even though it may not change the mind of the most vociferous who are bent on attacking the religious institution against all reason.

dollyangel believing the Catholic propaganda organ Relevant Radio is the truth is like a teabagger claiming Fox News is "fair and balanced"

Both are drinking their own bath water.

gseeker and apoorsinner: You are both correct. Life is too short to miss out on opportunites for good, respectful discussion.
Some people (I mean both here and elsewhere; not specifically naming any one person) simply don't want the truth. They somehow believe if they deny the truth,it's acceptable. Who knows why??

I have relatives who bobbed their heads along to the eveing (so-called) 'news' and other biased sources, and somehow believed they were being informed! They swallowed whatever they heard, hook, line, and sinker. They may as well have put their fingers in their ears. What a way to waste one's life!

Good news! I believe the relatives I'm speaking of are finally slowly beginning to see reality, and are using other sources for their news, such as Relevant, which shows ALL sides of the issues, and that's SO rare today. The scales are slowly falling from their eyes, thank God! May that happen to all who sincerely want to hear ALL the facts. Before this happened, these relatives were extremely unhappy and always angry, yet they somehow thought they had all the answers. But--ahh, God went to work, the truth eeked out, and they sheepishly had to eat their words. I hope that happens to every person who is being misled by biased reporting and propaganda, and that they respect themselves enough to sincerely seek and find the truth. Sooner or later, they'll eventually 'get it' IF their minds are open. They'll also let go of their bias and prejudice, as my rellies finally did, after a couple decades of being misled and in the dark. Praise God for that!
Just because someone WANTS something to be true doesn't mean it is true!
A thoughtful, respectful discussion on sometimes controversial issues is a plus for everyone. Those willing to 'dig' for the truth will indeed find it eventually, but they must be willing to put aside any bias and misinformation they may have.

God bless!

Telling me to listen to "Relevant Radio" is like an inbred teabagger cousin of Fred Phelps telling me to listen to Fox News for the truth.

. Week after week it's just rude invective on their part.
Posted by: Apoorsinner

One man's "rude invective" is another's call for justice. I don't care what your Church is doing for victims. I wrote to one of your "Sister Mary Victim Advocates" and never got a reply.

All I want is justice for past, present and future victims, and that justice is for these priests to be behind bars just as would those "others" you all lamely cry "did it, too" I will not be silenced nor go away. Get used to it.
You, Father and your Pope are all complicit in organized criminal racketeering. Look up the statute.

I suggest you find new 'news' sources if you believe otherwise.
Posted by dollyangel

My news source is AP. Read the many current reports about Bishops and Cardinals hiding pervert priests.

So Gseeker and dollyangel, are you saying there are no more known pervert priests still hidden by your Church? Is the your "TRUTH" we are supposed to believe?

Before you answer remember how you small and shallow god fries his babies in hell for violating his Ninth Commandment.

AREYOUSAYING, get a life! There are better things to do than just being a professional hater.
I'll pray for you that you get some enlightenment and guidance.
Maybe later, if you are lucky enough, you'll convert to Catholicism.

I see a lot of vitriol directed against Father Pavone and the Catholic Church at this site week after week, but what I don't see is the anti-Catholics analyzing Father Pavone's message in an intellectually honest way. Week after week it's just rude invective on their part. Father Pavone has an excellent point: that true religion must rationally serve the other and be pro-life, and he's right.

Thank you Father!

areyousaying: Evidently, you're unaware the Church is doing all it can for victims. Again, I suggest you find new 'news' sources if you believe otherwise. And, as I said on my December 19 post, no one and I mean NO ONE has done MORE to correct the problem of abuse than the Church. Pope Benedict has been singled out as if he's guilty, which is totally unfair. Our priests are being persecuted as if all were guilty, when, in fact, only a tiny minority were involved!
Have you ever listened to Relevant Radio? I highly recommend it, as it give FACTS and is not afraid to take on the subject of abuse. In fact, they welcome phone calls and polite comments. They have also discussed this very subject of (then) Cardinal Ratzinger. Why not tune into the station if it's in your area, or listen online? Again, I highly recommend it.

The worst part is that some of you seem to completely believe any hateful, ugly thing you've ever heard about the Church. Frankly, it's total nonsense, and while you may think you're being clever, I would guess the majority here think quite the opposite! I urge you to use more authentic sources to get the truth; it's clear some people here are getting info about the Church from some 'way out there' sources!
Posted by: dollyange

OK dolly let's start with my rectum and what I heard, saw and felt. It's pretty authentic source to me even though you would rather look the other way and delusionally pretend it never happened.

Believe me, there is nothing I want more than to simply let you go primp, pose, pretend and pray with your own on Sunday but as long as Ratzinger continues to hide perverts under his Cardinals' $10,000 red dress, I will continue to speak out for past, present and future victims.

Too bad for you not all of us could be paid off like some little-boy sex workers who serviced your priest "johns" to shut up and go away.

Father's column is excellent and thoughtful, as always, as well as on target. Thanks for your beautiful comments, Father Pavone!

It's well known that those who can't defend their positions will attack the person who has truth on his/her side. There seems to be no shortage of that here, in response to Father!

Since there remain a few people here who just can't seem to deal with true Catholicism and would rather listen to their uninformed sources for supposed 'education' about the Church, who have about 1% truth and 99% fantasy, I urge them to find a better source of information so they become informed; not misinformed. First off, I suggest you reread my original post on December 19, 2010. Go to the Church for education. Those outside the Church will never understand it as they should, nor should they attempt to teach about the Church since they've obviously never known the true Church.
Note too that it states here, before posting that there should be RESPECTFUL discussion only on this forum. I don't see Father putting anyone down, so I have to wonder why some people here are so disrespectful and angry??

The worst part is that some of you seem to completely believe any hateful, ugly thing you've ever heard about the Church. Frankly, it's total nonsense, and while you may think you're being clever, I would guess the majority here think quite the opposite! I urge you to use more authentic sources to get the truth; it's clear some people here are getting info about the Church from some 'way out there' sources! If you actually believe the incredible claims you've been fed, you're sorely deceiving yourselves. Time to get educated, and what better place to start than to thoughtfully listen to what Father is saying? Give it a try; open your mind. We would love for you to engage in thoughtful conversation, just as Father does here.

Back to Father's comments: YES! Human rights for all, beginning with the most vulnerable (the unborn), up to natural death.
Catholicism is, and always has been, authentic and true.

As usual, the typical haters of the Church using a Catholic forum as an excuse to spew their vitriol. The Catholic Church is the true church and The Catholic Faith is the true faith. Just get around it!

Posted by: GSeeker

It's not a "Catholic forum", it's a public forum and as a victim of one of your pervert priests your Church hides so well, I will never "Just get around it!" until your complicit Hitler Youth Pope coughs up his known pederast clergy for civil prosecution. Just get used to it!

Comes again His Excellency TTWSYFAMDGGAHJMJ1 who regurgitates passages from the Catholic Encyclopedia ad nauseum in his smug and pathetically delusional self-righteousness that this has any authority over or credibility with the rest of us.

Don't you have some pervert priests to hide from US Justice in your "rehabilitation"?

As usual, the typical haters of the Church using a Catholic forum as an excuse to spew their vitriol. The Catholic Church is the true church and The Catholic Faith is the true faith. Just get around it!

DELTAONESIX,

You are counting the populations of predominantly Christian nations as all Christians, including Europe, US, & Russia. Of these billion people, half are atheist, agnostic, secular or other.

TTWS(etc.):
"She would be anti-Catholic and consequently an oxymoron because Pro-Abortion Catholics don’t exist."

(And I guess there are no homosexuals in Iran either.)

Sure they do. Every time you boast of the 1.x billion catholics on the planet you are happily including those that are not anti-abortion and/or anti-contraceptive. If they are NOT Catholics, why do you continue to count them? One cannot be Catholic AND non-Catholic, that is in direct conflict with Aquinas' / Aristotle's seven infallable, immutable constructs of perfected metaphysical reason... or something..

"Contraceptives can be carcinogenic..."
Mmmmm, tasty Kool-Aid...
Quick, name something, anything, that does NOT fall under the same claim 'can be carcinogenic'.

"Consequently, they are one with their Church and think the same or else . . ."
Wow, so much for freedom of thought...

"they are divorced from the Church"
Hmm, I didn't think the church cared much for divorce based simply on the grounds of 'don't always agree'

"all priests are married to the Church at ordination."
Ahhh, polyandry.

clearthinking1;

You cannot simply ignore the statistical fact that 29-32% of the world population are Christians and that Islam makes up 19-23%.

A 1995 survey attributed to the Encyclopædia Britannica indicates that the non-religious are about 14.7% of the world's population, and atheists around 3.8%. Another survey attributed to Britannica shows the population of atheists at around 2.4% of the world's population. It is difficult to determine whether atheism is growing or not. What is certain is that in some areas of the world (such as Europe) atheism and secularization are increasing.

While there are more atheists than ever before, polls show that atheism's percentages seems to be declining. This may be because birth rates in religious societies are much higher.[4] This is similar to a 2002 survey by Adherents.com, which estimates the proportion of the world's people who are "secular, non-religious, agnostics and atheists" at about 14%.

clearthinking1 posted:

You are counting the populations of predominantly Christian nations as all Christians, including Europe, US, & Russia. Of these billion people, half are atheist, agnostic, secular or other.

My response:

Actually Atheist and Agnostic together make up only 1.1 billion according to Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religious_populations

While Christianity makes up 2 billion believers and Muslims make up 1.3 billion people.

I am actually counting the total number of theistic believers.

Thank you Fr. Frank,
I agree that political leaders must recognize their duty to protect to liberties of people and gaurd them from harm. It is important for those in power to recognize that justice and peace depend on the respect for human life. Also, we cannot take the blessing of our Christian Faith for granted, but we should exercise our faith by praying for those who are threatened to do what we can to aid them.

DELTAONESIX,

You are counting the populations of predominantly Christian nations as all Christians, including Europe, US, & Russia. Of these billion people, half are atheist, agnostic, secular or other.

Thanks Fr. Pavone for your articulation on religious faith and belief and the role of reason in safeguarding and preventing its abuse.

'Do unto others as you would have them do to you' also referred to as the 'Golden Rule', underlies almost all religions' teaching in regard to treating one's fellow man or woman. The violation of this norm in any religiously based or motivated action means that the basic message of that religion has been distorted and thus the person who advocates such an action is wrong and to continue to advocate it would qualify him or her as a 'false teacher' of that particular faith.

The 'Golden Rule' can be identified through human reason alone and is virtually synonymous with the natural law: do no harm to others. The 'Golden Rule' can be derived from human reflection on practicing the virtues: charity, justice, compassion, honesty, etc. but should never be distorted to support the harming or killing of an innocent person.

Religious leaders are obligated to follow the 'Golden Rule' and to instruct and admoonish their followers who don't. Similarly, political leaders since they exercise authority over a nation must ensure that the 'Golden Rule' is embodied in law to prevent anarchy.

Mutual respect for one anothers' religions, even if one disagrees with their different beliefs is obligatory under the 'Golden Rule' which as stated before is a fundamental summary of all religous teaching regarding how we should treat one another, even those of a different religion.

CLEARTHINKING1 POSTED:

THE BAD NEWS: Christianity & Islam are the 2 religions always involved in religious violence on one side or both. Their supremacist beliefs bring out the worst in everyone as well. Not an impressive record of spiritual development for these religions.

ANSWER:

The statement is not entirely correct. Christianity in its begin was spread through the preaching of Apostles which were not violent. The Crusades was a defensive call of Western Christianity to assist Eastern Christians (Eastern Orthodox). It was the Eastern Christian Emperor who ask the Pope for help. It was primarily a defensive action because Muslims have taken over Christian lands by the sword.

There had been Christians who kill innocent people for the sake of money but the religious leaders such as the Pope have always issued restraint against killing innocent people. His words were largely ignored at the time.

Dear Fr Frank,
Thank you for always affirming that God is as fundamental to the human spirit as food is to the human body for a compassionate peace!

CLEARTHINKING1 POSTED:

The majority of the world is not Christian or Muslim. Most are Hindu, Buddhists, Sikh, Jain, Confucianist, Taoist, Atheist, etc. These other "religions" do not promote religiously motivated violence.

ANSWER:

Not entirely a true statement.

The world population is 6.8 billion people. 1.9 to 2.1 billion of that population are Christians (which make up 29% to 32% of the population). Islam makes up 1.3 billion to 1.57 billion people (which make up 19% to 23% of the world population). Hindus make up 800-900 (million people 14-17%) of the world population. Buddhist total 500 million to 1 billion people (7% to 18% of the world population). If you combine Christianity and Islam 55% of the world population believe in God.

In conclusion the large majority of people in the world believe in God.

THE BAD NEWS: Christianity & Islam are the 2 religions always involved in religious violence on one side or both. Their supremacist beliefs bring out the worst in everyone as well. Not an impressive record of spiritual development for these religions.

THE GOOD NEWS: The majority of the world is not Christian or Muslim. Most are Hindu, Buddhists, Sikh, Jain, Confucianist, Taoist, Atheist, etc. These other "religions" do not promote religiously motivated violence.

Islam is impressive for a "religion" in terms of the violence and hatred. Just look at Pakistan today and the so-called moderate clerics celebrating the murder of an innocent. The killer is showered with rose petals, and the victim is blamed. The victim did not even commit blasphemy, which should be a capital crime anyway. He just spoke against blasphemy laws.

Where are the usual apologists for the Islam as the religion o' peace?

IN REPLY TO (IRT-
DWICKERT51
POSTED JANUARY 5, 2011 3:09 AM
“SOMETIMES THE UNINFORMED ACT AS BEING INFORMED”

IRT:
“Some religious leaders are pro life some are pro choice. Not all religious believe in the same religion as you do. In fact, more Catholics disagree with you on this subject than agree.”

ANS:
I don't believe you know as much about the Catholic Church as you think you do. If they're Catholic and disagree on Abortion and Contraception, then they aren’t real Catholic. Unfortunately, that’s to their detriment. You see the truth doesn’t care whether you believe it or not, and if you walk around not believing it, you eventually may become disoriented and confused. Namely, Contraceptives can be carcinogenic, and Abortion is murder.

For instance, you might not believe in the Law of Gravity; if you don’t, then don’t walk around high places or climb mountains; you could be in for a rude awaking. The same analogy applies to the Moral Laws defended by the Church; not believing in them could cost you your life on earth or an eternity in Hell.

IRT:
"You and Mrs. Pavone should really reconsider your opinions on this subject. Have you asked your wife what she thinks about this, Father?"

ANS:
I am sure a hotshot with such sarcasm, when ridiculing the Catholic Church and Her priests doesn’t know that the bride of a priest is the Holy Catholic Church, and all priests are married to the Church at ordination. Consequently, they are one with their Church and think the same or else they are divorced from the Church and could be defrocked.

IRT:
“Most Catholic women are pro birth control and pro choice. I bet your wife is too!”

ANS:
If most Catholic women are pro-Birth Control than they’re not Catholic. Oh, the Church, the bride of the Catholic priest, is “pro-choice,” however, She’s not Pro-Abortion; if She were Pro-Abortion, She would be anti-Catholic and consequently an oxymoron because Pro-Abortion Catholics don’t exist.

Abiding in Jesus' Body (787-788)
In sharing his mission, Jesus spoke of a more intimate communion: "Abide in me and I in you. I am the vine, you are the branches" (Jn 15:4-5). He announced a real communion between his body and ours. "He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me and I in him" (Jn 6:56).

After the Ascension, Jesus remained with them and even sent his Spirit. By his Spirit, Christ constitutes his mystical body, made up of people called from every nation (Second Vatican Council).

Three Qualities (789)
The Church as Christ's Body has three specific qualities:

1.She is one body
2.She has Christ as her head
3.She is Christ's bride
Unity and Diversity in the Church (790-791)
In the Church, Christ gives his own life to believers through the sacraments. This is especially true of Baptism and the Eucharist (which brings the believer into communion with Christ and with others).

Within the Church's unity, there is a diversity of the Spirit's gifts. This unity stimulates charity ("If one member suffers anything, all the members suffer with him") and triumphs over all division. "There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave or free, male or female for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
Father we please pray and ask You In the Holy Name of Your Beloved Son Our Lord Jesus Christ to grant us Victory over the evil of abortion,Amen.
God Bless You Father Pavone.

Spreading the idea of world peace! Stop the culture of death.

I hear you most100! Ours are still a little timid, IMHO. But we do attend pro life masses also. Father Frank is to be commended for giving his entire life for the unborn. If you haven't heard him preach, watch him sometime on EWTN.

IN REPLY TO (IRT)
DAVID6
POSTED JANUARY 5, 2011 8:38 AM
"THE APOLOGY"

IRT:
"When did the Roman Catholic Church apologize for all of the religious violence it inflicted on its victims throughout the world?"

ANS:
What violence is that? Is it for the Church’s protest of the murder of over 52 million American unborn, and 43 million unborn/year worldwide slaughtered by misogynists and misanthropes posing as doctors? Is that the violence you’re speaking of? Is an apology forth coming for the Church’s outrage at the atrocity of the Court equating “gay sex” to “conjugal love?”

Maybe you wish the Church to apologize for defending the sanctity of Marriage and Her remonstration of the State Courts' forcing Gay Marriage on those States against the protest of the States' people. Does it not matter that Federal Courts have repeatedly silenced the Vox Populi, the Vox Dei in spite of the people's overwhelming vote against Gay Marriage in California and Massachusetts and throughout America?

Maybe you want the Church to apologize for defending the inalienable rights guaranteed by the Bill of Rights and in particularly for the Church’s protest against the Court’s trespass on America’s inviolable Right to Life that is guaranteed by the Constitution, or the Her outcry against the Court redefining human nature in “Roe v. Wade.”

Should the Church apologize for Pope Pius XII's heroic defense during WWII of the Jews. In the face of a maniacal frenzied Hitler, the Pope saved some 800,000 Jews not to mention he risked his life in doing so. By the way, he was praised by many Jews for doing so including Albert Einstein.

Woe to this evil Church that agitates you so, a Church that protested against the Court's decision in “Lawrence v. Texas” that declared that the Natural & Moral Law can no longer be a basis for Civil Law because it is subjective.

Is it Catholic Charities who house the poor, feed the hungry, and assist single pregnant mothers, who assisted the Tsunami and Earthquake victims in the Middle East and Asia disturbing you? Could it be the Church's voluntary free "Dream Program" that’s assisting the two million HIV and AIDS victims in Africa that has you so rumpled?

Maybe you wish the Church to apologize for the paradigm of the Church's love for the sacredness and dignity of mankind, Mother Teresa, who comforted thousands of sick and dying in Calcutta, in refugee camps and throughout the world.

Father Frank Pavone has no wife. He has chosen a different calling--living exlusively for God....besides, he would have no time for a wife as he tirelessly works for the least of our brothers and sisters.

Deflection from the Catholic Church while defending its own intolerant agendas and denying they get people hurt and killed.

Thank you, Father Pavone, for telling it like it is....abortion is murder of the most innocent and helpless human beings ...may God continue to bless you in your Ministry!!!

When did the Roman Catholic Church apologize for all of the religious violence it inflicted on its victims throughout the world?

Some religious leaders are pro life some are pro choice.

Not all religious believe in the same religion as you do. In fact, more Catholics disagree with you on this subject than agree.

You and Mrs. Pavone should really reconsider your opinions on this subject. Have you asked your wife what she thinks about this, Father? Most catholic women are pro birth control and pro choice. I bet your wife is too!

I couldn't agree more. Who else will lead the strive to protect life if not the religious leaders? I must say (proudly) that the new pastor and associate pastor at my parish are very vocal about the pro-life issues. It has become a consistent theme during the homilies. I sure am happy to hear it! :)

"Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain" ... the Name of God (Elohim) is "Yahweh."

That had to do with swearing an oath and using Yahweh (God's Name) as your witness of the promise you made. If you fail to do what you promised, you took God's name, Yahweh, in vain.

The name Yahweh was still being said aloud during the time of Jesus' ministry. Jesus mentioned that commandment in Matthew 5 and he said not to swear an oath by anything.

Orthodox Jews stopped saying Yahweh out loud after the Romans destroyed Jerusalem in 70 AD.

"In the Judeo-Christian tradition, the commandment "Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain" has many meanings. It does not simply mean that we shouldn't use God's name when we curse. It means also that we should not invoke God to justify doing things that God abhors. Violence against human beings is in fact one of those things."

...except for, of course, you "Brothers in Christ" abusing little boys...

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