I have a dream, too

"whether Obama is a Christian, Muslim, Jew or an atheist should not matter in a country that prides itself in having freedom of religion and conscience. The question shouldn't even be asked. We should judge our candidates on their political positions, not on their professed religious beliefs. But that may be a dream of mine more difficult to achieve than the dreams of Martin Luther King and Glenn Beck."

Well said. I'm an atheist but I would not vote for an atheist candidate if I did not agree with their political position.

What a Difference 3-Three Years Make.

Please see the Before and After, Sen. BORACK H.OBAMA's, Onfaith, as GUEST, Post JULY7th & or June.13th-2007.

http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/guestvoices/2007/06/obama.html

Note: Please ignore that insane TURKISH blogger who's post look like he/she's full of TWITTs like. And Also Keep in Mind that the blogger J O {{Z}} e {{VZ}} "Dear Mr. Obama...." recommendation on "Leadership" was jealously deleted by someone in at ONFAITH Newweek WAPO. AND

Keep in mind that ex-Cathoholic; GLENN BECK (G_D Player), suddenly turned MORMONi, of Fox-5 & His other entertainer of Fox-5, Bubba & Cathaholic BiLL OREiLLY (G_D of the Air) are now [DEvilishly] officially MORMON & CATHOLIC conspirators in a Great crime in Sweet Sweet U.S. of A.! They are Jealously both conspiring to APOCALTIC-ze {Not IslamicIze} their other unwise PRE-Apocalyptic BIBles/Books & Thinkers/thinking! And THey even Resorted to STEAL Other New- (AMERICAN) Prophets Writings, Philosophy, Story's (i.e., "SiLOM" The Photon/Light Bringer Of The Apocalypse Writtings..) and audaciously Sneak Them into THeir Church's Writing or for Personal gain/ego and speak analogies using them as if be genuine "New Sermon"s (Omitting the Intellectual Thefts or sources thereof/from) as if Theirs Divine Providence com'th in dreams & More Jealous Satanic Under/over-TOMES&tones.!

PS: WHO "ENDORSED" OBAMA instead Of Mitt ROMNEY? FOX-5? NEWS CORP? ...?

WOW! HUMAN(s) Trying to act like US "HUUMATES" of , Made In Miracle & Naturally Holi-Blessed, and NEBULA-Bilt S.pace-S.hip EEarth. NOT Planet HELL, Not Planet Heaven, Not planet in between. Never Sweet SWEET S.S. Earth. O' Jealousical HUMAN's!

O', YE/YO & SHMO. O' HUUMATE(s); Beware them "N-i-C-O-L-A-T-i-A-N-"s! {Beck, O'; Reilly & CO').

"His mother, whom Obama credits for teaching him his values, was a humanist without any god beliefs." And we all know that without 'god beliefs', you just can't have values.

Obama's new Oval Office rug contains the JFK quote: “No Problem of Human Destiny is Beyond Human Beings.”

If that's not a humanist statement I don't know what is.

There are really two issues that I want to address concerning this week’s the Washington Post’s “On Faith” topic is: Does Obama's religion matter? First, I want to address the issue of whether the President’s religion does actually matter and second, I want to address Glenn Beck’s claim of Obama’s “perversion” of Christianity.

So, does the President’s religion matter? YES! I know it is not politically correct to say that, but what delusion the leader of our Nation embraces does actually affect what that leader does and where his priorities lie. The fact is that our President opposes gay marriage purely for religious reasons. For the most part, he is a pretty secular President and that is great, but anyone who claims that any president’s deeply held belief in ancient supernatural stories has no bearing on how they lead is delusional. George W. Bush is a good example and if Sarah Palin does decide to run for President, that would be an even better example.

You can read the rest of this response to the topic:
http://www.examiner.com/atheism-in-philadelphia/on-faith-beck-or-obama-who-is-perverting-christianity

I will be responding to every issue posted in the 'On Faith' section. If you would like to be notified when my new response is up, please subscribe.

I agree that a strong case can be made that Obama is a secular humanist, like his mother. If that's true, it's a shame that he can't admit it.

I mean, seriously, WmarkW, if we'd nominated Hilary, the conservatives would be saying what, about her, why?

Yeah, yeah, we know no one but some types will please you. First you want us to be scandalized if someone was in the same room as pot in college, now you say Obama's too clean.'

We know you'll find something to freak out whatever welibreals do. Maybe Obama ought to be focusing on pleasing *us,* since it seems this 'bipartisan' thing is long-since-shown to be nothing but a filibuster wash.

*I* wasn't the one who said a President couldn't have had some life. Who was?

""Barack Obama's entire adult life has been a 25-year campaign for President.

I don't take his professions about his private life any more seriously than that of an actor in character.

Posted by: WmarkW |""

That's what Republicans say after the corporate media pretty much devastated the last three candidacies we had over peccadilloes, association with peccadilloes, and of course, the cardinal sin of the corporate media:'Being Boring.'

We nominated the charismatic guy this time and now you freak out. Even if he's hardly been showing that oratory while in office.

Whatever. You *always* freak out.

Barack Obama's entire adult life has been a 25-year campaign for President.

I don't take his professions about his private life any more seriously than that of an actor in character.

VILLAGEATHEIST comments, "I actually think the whole being Christian is just part of his political game because sadly, an agnostic or atheist has zero chance of becoming President in this country."

This prompts me to share a question I sometimes ask.

"Would you rather have career politicians in charge or have traditional American Indians in charge?"

Answer is always, "Indians".

Okpulot Taha
Choctaw Nation

VILLAGEATHEIST asks, "And how is that?" in reference to Obama displaying Islamic behaviors.

These hints of being Muslim, Obama telegraphs are both overt and subtle. Measure is deciding if Obama signals Islamism more or signals Christianity more.

Arguably some of his signals could be cast as politics or as religion. However, there is an overriding theme of Obama being Muslim.

Some overt acts are his "world apology" tour during which he casts America as evil, announces America is not a Christian nation and announces America is the largest Muslim nation of all nations.

Subtle notions are his constant praise of Islam, he unusually clear memory of his being Muslim during his childhood. There are other subtle hints such as his arrogance, authoritarian attitude and his misogynist leanings, all of which are reflections of Islam.

Obama is quick to praise Islamism and is quick to condemn Christianity.

When taken as a whole, overt notions and subtle notions, I see a portrait of a "closet Muslim" in Obama.

Another notion is the Obama spent two decades sitting in Jeremiah Wright's church. Wright's church is not Christian faith based rather is "liberation theology" based which depends on two groups of peoples; the oppressors and the suppressed. This is the basis of Islamism.

A related problem is Jeremiah Wright is a racist.

Somewhat related are these deceitful arguments from Obama supporters. Obama says, "America is not a Christian nation." Left liberals argue, "America is a secular nation." However, left liberals will not mention Obama saying "America is the largest Muslim nation."

An argument is presented Obama is saying "secular" but he turns right around and says, "Muslim". America cannot be secular while Obama claims our nation to be Muslim.

This is an example of almost all peoples simply being liars. This is deceit of omission; "He said this but we won't mention what else he said."

This combination of Obama favoring Islamism over Christianity and Obama supporters engaging in clear deceit about his faith, this is enough to legitimize being skeptical about Obama.

My personal opinion is Obama is a Muslim and he is lying about this for political expediency, just as his supporters are lying for the same reason.

This is part of what has my dream of peoples being truth speakers, a nightmare.

Okpulot Taha
Choctaw Nation

""If I were asked Obama's religion, my honest answer would be that I don't know. ""
Good answer. Or it would be in a saner time.

""I could make a case for President Obama being a nonbeliever. Obama once acknowledged he was an agnostic.""

Frankly, any Christian that *doesn't* at some point is either lying or not thinking it through. The whole religion's based on 'agnosticism:' 'You can't know, so believe someone else.'

"" His father was an atheist, not a practicing Muslim. His mother, whom Obama credits for teaching him his values, was a humanist without any god beliefs. ""

Or at least didn't need to teach values on that basis.

""A case could be made for Obama choosing Rev. Wright as a political minister when it helped Obama attain elective office in Chicago, and then abandoning Wright when it hurt Obama as a national candidate.""

I actually don't think so. I think a simpler account is that Obama attended that church, cause he got involved in the Civil Rights movement, maybe 'got religion,' and didn't believe all of what he heard: it was his opponents who made a big deal out of it.

Those who call him Muslim now were also assuming he was a slave to Rev. Wright.

Whatever. He's his own man, theoretically: it's not Wright I'm worried about, it's how he won't stand up to the Hagees and Haggards and Robertsons.

"As would be my answer to the same question. However, I would add, "Obama displays behaviors which suggest he is Muslim.""

And how is that?

I actually think the whole being Christian is just part of his political game because sadly, an agnostic or atheist has zero chance of becoming President in this country. A homosexual has a better chance at being elected President over a non-believer.

Herb Silverman titles his well written article, "I have a dream, too"

I have a dream as well, Mr. Silverman. My dream is all peoples will become truth speakers.

After thousands of years of alleged humankind civilization, my dream remains a nightmare.

Okpulot Taha
Choctaw Nation

Herb Silverman writes, "If I were asked Obama's religion, my honest answer would be that I don't know."

As would be my answer to the same question. However, I would add, "Obama displays behaviors which suggest he is Muslim."

I am one of the fortunate. My eyes are not blinded by religious faith. I am a red skinned girl, a traditional pagan American Indian. I do not believe in your Christian god. I am able to see religious issues with clarity of truth.

Almost all peoples of faith are engaged in a battle, "My god is better than your god." This is, of course, a display of lack of faith, a display of hypocrisy. This also is the root cause of almost all acts of terrorism, genocide and war; "God is on my side."

Religion is simply a crutch and a fabricated deceitful reason to legitimize wrongful behavior and sinful behavior.

Like millions of others, I don't know of what faith is Obama. I do know he displays many behaviors endemic to Islam.

I also know these mixed faith messages from Obama is what causes people to question his faith, or lack of faith. Obama is simply playing patronizing politics, with an Islamic leaning, as he does with all matters, small and big.

Obama is not a truth speaker, he is a forked tongue double speaker.

Okpulot Taha
Choctaw Nation

"Glenn Beck considers him a Christian, but the wrong kind."

That's because Mormons believe all other Protestants to be of the wrong kind if they're not Mormon.

I knew a Mormon (ex-colleague) that once told a Catholic colleague that he was going to a better heaven, after their lengthy religious debate during lunch one day. That's how the debate turn argument ended.

"We should judge our candidates on their political positions, not on their professed religious beliefs."

Exactly as Article VI of the Constitution even states, "no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States"

Religion should play no part in the election process or after officially elected. It's irrelevant.

Most educated people know that virgin births, birth without fertilization or parthenogenesis, can only produce female offspring. So maybe some folks have a little catching up to do.

I have a dream as well. I hope that one day politicians will be embarrassed to admit that they believe that a man was born to a virgin and that another man once lived in a whale for awhile.