Find meaning in marriage without religion

2-Corrections:

(1) "..Your MATE [Not Mother] was Cosmically impregnated by my "4FORE-FATHERS" [Moses, Vyasa, Jesus & Muhammad] from Heaven where each had Cosmic-Sex with my Mother while she was deeply asleep & their Cosmic-Sperm via Cosmic-Dance had miraculously coalesced themselves into 1-One, representing ME.."

Note: According to the Legend [story] that the 'Lado' ("SON of the Fore-Fathers" or "SON of the Four-Fathers") had been likewise blessed with a sibling ("DAUGHTER of the Four-Fathers" aka DAUGHTER of the Fore Fathers") a 'Lada' (Sister) only 13 days later after the 1st revealation of the 'dispensation' from the Crib (not Manger)story.

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The First-Revealation of the "SON of the 4-Fore-Fathers" took place in December of 1958 (not 1960). & the Second-Revealation of the "DAUGHTER of the 4-Fore-Fathers" took place on January 1st 1959. 10 Years before the Great "Summer of Love" in WOODSTOCK, N.Y., took place.

Secret (opposite Revelation):

These 2-Two siblings ('DAUGHTER of our 'Fore-Fathers who was also born with Clef-Lip and 'SON of the Fore-Fathers') are direct offspring of MOSES, VYASA, JESUS & MUHAMMAD being 1-One was instructed by "SHILOM" (their Step Father) and before 5 sworn witness's {3-Private-Sector Employees & 2-Public-Sector employees; all bonafide witnesses} to never tell anyone about their immaculate Holiness but live Normal-lives and concentrate on completing the "BIBLE-OF-THE-FUTURE" for ALL their Children on S.pace-S.hip EARTH, a/k/a S.S. GEOiD, S.S. GAIA, S.S. TELLUSng something & by many names.

iMPORTANT: These two Children had been arranged by "SHILOM" after the "4-Four-Fathers" revisited his Wife/Spouse in a real Dream instructed them to Match-Them-up with 2-two other "DAUGHTER & SON of the 4-Fore-Fathers" by a 2nd mother who were born exactly the Same-Way but in [U.S.S.R.] RUSSIA, 1-minute apart (yet born with NO Cleft Lips). AND

Today (all 4: 2-Daughters & 2-Sons of our 4-Four-Fathers) They're happily married with highly advanced Kinda and live to be 100+ years old. BUT

IT is these Children (kids of the 4-Fore-Fathers); Who Will UNITE the WORLD as 1-ONE; in exactly 144 Years minus 51 = 93 Years from Today Circa '3007.

"United-Continents of-EARTH" due diligent +/- 3007 for the great "HEALING OF NATIONS in Everlasting 'WORLD-PEACE' & for more 'Good Tiding's as promised-US-all via OUR 4-Four-Fathers & their [Corrected] Prophecys being Newly Translated [Corrected] for HUUMATE-MEME's, a/k/a APOCALYPTIC-ON's, not HUUMAN (PRE-Apocalyptic-OFFs) sake anymore.

Note: Like Todays 'WikiLeaks' phenomena/On (slowly Releasing-Documents) That i[WE] the "EKLAH's-Disciples"s living on S.S. Earth STARTn Calendate 2011+' will Slowly & Surely DISPENSE most of 'SHiLOM's (B.O.T.+) WRITINGS!

ASEEM SHUKLA:

There was a Great American Legend about a humble person named "SHILOM" who wrote the supplement part of AMERIKA'S Eklah-tarian's B.O.T. a/k/a "Book Of Trans{Finity" and recorded a conversation between him and his his immaculate Step-Son who was born with Cleft-Lip.

So here it is Electronically. Remember, this is the legend "SHiLOM" Amerika's prophet, bard.. of "Apocalyptarian-Faith" recording a holyi moment(1960):

".. About 9-months after me Boy/SON was born; he miraculously started to talk, Clearly & coherently, from his crib saying,

"DAD you are NOt-My-Father" & continuing, "Your Mother was Cosmically impregnated by my (4)'Four-FATHER(s)' [Moses, Vyasa, Jesus & Muhammad] from Heaven where each had sex with my [Human] Mother (your wife) while she was asleep .. and their Cosmic-Sperm & by the Cosmic-Dance had miraculously coalesced themselves into 1-One, representing ME ... But i Love you, as my Huumon Daddy in flesh, is that O.K. Dadda?"

SO, i asked the lad, "SON, can you prove to me that you are truly the SON of the Four-Great-Fathers/Prophets as being ONE(1) in You?"

He said, "Sure Daddy! ... You see Dad i was born & blessed with the Knowledge and the Power of all 4-BOOKS of my Father(s). i know the CHUMASH, i know the GiTA, i know the NEW-TESTAMENT & i know the QURAN + some.. includes knowing All the Languages on Earth & from other Worlds..."

So i asked the Wise 9-month old, "O.K. SON, Prove to your Dadda that you really Know All the Writings of your "4Four-FATHER(s)" So The Lad asked me to bring Him All-(4)Four-Holyi-Books.

So SHiLOM brought HE/Him (not a SHE/Her) All 4-Four Books (Chumash, Geeta, Bible & Koran & even the Kangyurs). So he told me, "Daddy-o please Start with the 1st-page of the Chumash and Follow my words as i recite them verbatim, O.K. Dadda?" i said, "O.K. Boy." So

The Lad started to recite, word-for-word, Pasik by Pasik, Stanza by Stanza, Sura, by Sura.. Here alittle & there alittle & Even recited all the Buddhist Books. i was shocked, and so i knelt down calling him "THE-SON-OF-OUR-Four-FATHERS" via 1-One////Mother!

PS: This is a genuine "EKLAH"t-ion Story, never heard on Earth Before by anyone and which is part of our Scripture recorded so faithfully in our O.U.R. book (O.ne U.niversal R.eligion) a/k/a "ULTRAPARATESTAMENT" of the "NEW-Song" (Conceived from All OUR OLD of course).

Reality: On S.pace-S.hip Earth There is NO such religion, by any Name, that is a "MONO-THEO" (1-god) System. That feat, is impossible to attain or even claim by any Human!

One must accept this TRUTH (opposite MYTH) to realize that All, Every & Any ABRAHAMIC' Flavors of their god(s) worship POLY-THEO Systems Only, Zero Mono! Same like HINDU & somewhat like in Buddhism All are Poly-Theo.

It is Humanly & godly impossible to have a "Mono-Theo Religion in this Reality Anywhere in the Universe! Pleas Do Not be in denial to selves nor loved ones.

YOU Worship what YE/YO Know NOt! O' POLY-THEiSTS, O' Atheist haters! O'.

My Father IS G-D & my Mother is G-Ddes. Therefore "I AM" (G-D incarnate).

Thank You Mommy. Thank you Daddy!

A fair sized pipe organ may require 10,000 watts to blow it. Only 13 watts is heard. 9987 watts is wasted in friction and heat. People don't get the music right. The creative process requires a lot of waste. Try not wasting the kids in the process. The math people perfected the mortgages. What now? The people borrowing money are borrowing time. I'll lend you a cup of sugar. No problem.

Shadow27 - he's not defending them, he's just saying that bringing them into a discussion where they are not relevant, just to mock them, is immature. Going off topic just to make personal attacks made it clear how deep Mr. Silverman's hatred is and which side of the political spectrum he is on. Thus Pyellman's comment was correct.

When conservatives make the claim "Al Gore invented blah blah blah" to mock Al Gore, when it is not relevant, it discredits them. Similarly, when a liberal mocks Newt Gingrich and Rush Limbaugh when they are not relevant, it discredits them.

Off-topic personal attacks have no place in reasoned debate.

My husband and I were together for five years before we married. Our reason for ultimately tying the knot was two-fold.

My husband wanted to make a public committment; I wanted him to be my legal next of kin.

Nothing changed after we married. We're still happy to be together 13 years later.

Bottom line: a couple should do what's best for them, not what other people think they should do.

Your utterly gratuitous swipe at Newt Gingrich and Rush Limbaugh tells more than I need to know about where to file your opinions on marriage than any amount of text you could pen. Posted by: pyellman

You're defending guys who can't keep it in their pants long enough for their sick wives to pass away then lecture the rest of us about sanctity of family and marriage?

In the last election the only Republican - family values - candidate that didn't have more than one wife was the Mormon. Giuliani even tried to move his mistress into the Mayors Mansion with his wife.

These are the same jerks saying gay marriage will cheapen/weaken/insult the institution.

THAT'S gratuitous. Gratuitous hypocrisy.

Religious people are so concerned about the decline of marriage in America and yet they remain the chief obstacle in allowing more than 10% of the nation to marry.

Marriage is a commitment between consenting adults. As far as I am concerned, that is it. Some people choose to have a marriage ceremony in a religious manner while others do not. My wife and I had our wedding in an Irish Pub. For some reason, the government feels the need to endorse marriages and for some even stronger reason, many churches also have that same need. It seems that religion often mistakenly believes that they hold the monopoly on the marriage.

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1. If it ain't broke, don't fix it: But there's always a possibility things can get better!
2. Marriage is viewed as a religious tradition, and we're atheists: In the U.S., it's a civil contract. The religious part is optional.
3. The state doesn't need to have anything to do with a loving relationship between two people. Yes, love is paramount but marriage has additional meanings: a way to share responsibility for children, a financial arrangement, a signal to governments and employers that there is a mutually dependent relationship (for benefits and taxes). My husband and I could have written up detailed contracts to cover the first two areas. And we could have foregone the benefits of the last area. Or...we could get married! And we did!
4. Since we support gay marriage, we should boycott heterosexual marriage until gays can marry. None of my gay friends find this persuasive. They want their heterosexual friends to enjoy this right... and to do what they can to support gays and lesbians seeking this right.

RichardSRussell

Bring back Biblical marriage! Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines. If it was good enuf for him, it should be good enuf for the USA, too.

You think Solomon had a "biblical" marriage?!

JJ: **If Any of me kids was [none-Straight] Then i woul've Disowned Him or Her.**

How sad that your love for your children is conditional.

Even in the U.S., marriage is a civil union. My spouse and I got a license and were married by a judge. No religious connection wanted or needed. People who want a religious ceremony take their license to a religious celebrant who is licensed by the state to perform marriages. The resulting marriage is indistinguishable in law from the one performed by the justice of the peace.

I agree with what others have said. We should break the link between the state and religious marriage rites. Let everyone go through the civil process and get married legally. Then they can go off for the religious ceremony in the church, stone circle, temple or Star Trek Convention Hall of their choice.

@mustangme:
gra·tu·i·tous/grəˈt(y)o͞oitəs
1. Uncalled for; lacking good reason; unwarranted.

Indeed. Utterly gratuitous.

Pleassa. Do Not Fix whats Not Broken.

Notice: SHAME on any person who try's to repeal the FEDERAL-DEFINITION of 'Marriage is between a [real] MON & a [real] WOM" Similar inscribed.

"MARRiAGE" between a [Real] MAN & a [Real] WOM can never be denied!

QUEERS are a 'Dime a Dozen' but Marriage between a [real] Man & a [real] Wom is "Sacred" [aka Precious]! Better to be born while parents married than being not married and thus a "BASTARD"?

iMportant: At least WE[i] ECL{ATians Agree that the Term or use of the Word "Bastard" (i.e., telling a Child or Adult) should be out-Lawed! Since "BIRTH is a MIRACLE (never is being Born a Sin, let alone a Curse) and neither one who came 'Planned' or born 'Not-Planned' should never Matter in the Minds of All MEN/WOM! Shame on the Bastard Bashers. Shame On THEOCRACY & MONARCHY! Pleasea, Blame It on Them Pre-Apocalyptarians, not US APOCALYPTARIANS .But,

but Today's Technology, except Crystal Balls, cannot PREDICT if any Child is going to become a NONE-Straight [aka 1/2 Human-Oriented or Queer-rated] THAT

For the same reason that a WOM has a right to [CHOOSE] to have an Abortion (i.e., for Medical/Health Reasons); That Any 'Straight Parent' (a None Homosexual, a none Lesbian etc..) who see's or finds-out that his or her Child (not raised to be; or Exposed such in such a Home of Queer Partners) was a none straight: THEN

It should be a right (w/out Penalty) To DIS-OWN that 1/2 Human [none-straight child or Adult] and let their QUEER-NATION and or their QUEER-CHURCH's care for Them. And W/out Tax-Payers Money!

Example: If Any of me kids was [none-Straight] Then i woul've Disowned Him or Her. Fortunately; i[WE] is blesssed that me me kids art Straight & not Queerians)!

REVEALATION (opposite Secret); Did Ye/Yo know that it was a known "QUEER" soldier [PFC. BRADLEY MANNING] who caused all this 'Wiki-Leaks' dilemma or the 'fagg' who stole Government Docs & passed-it-on because of His/Her Anger at STRAIGHTS?????? Ya Ya!

PS: WE don't need wikileaks to tell this U.S. Government that QUEERS are it's worst infilTRATORs who will sell a Nation for Good-SEX" instead of GOOD-Philosophy or Good-Judgement.

QUESTION: FACT: Why is it, statistically, that a Majority of all the "QUEERS" in America are of IRISH, CELTIC ancestry??? O' the [PROUD?] 'Lucky iRish'. OYE...!

@pyellman: "gratuitous swipe"? Get real. Silverman called out Newt and Rush for the hypocrites they are. If you want to bray about values, you'd better be able to live them.

Marriage is a legal institution, always, and a religious one among religious people. 'Nuff said.

With both genders able to be financially self-sufficient, and with the stigma of divorce less harsh than it once was, marriage is no longer 'necessary' between two people. Staying in a loveless marriage can be extremely damaging to all parties and can prevent both people from finding real happiness in themselves or in others.

But marriage is still a valuable institution for many, particularly in the context of raising children. Marriage as a legal agreement enforces a certain amount of stability; if you want to divorce you have to work at it, over months if not years. You have to be absolutely certain that you're no longer interested in living with your spouse, rather than simply walking out the door one day. Of course divorce still happens, a lot, but I imagine it happens less than among those who make life-long commitments to each other and are essentially married in spirit. Any statistics on *that* floating around?

Children need a stable home environment to thrive. That's well documented, and it's also well documented that such an environment is usually best provided by a 2-parent home. That said, there may well be even better ways to raise children within a community or extended family. The current tendency to quit when things get rough certainly isn't doing them any favors though. When you have children in a troubled marriage you owe them your very best effort to make things work and should sacrifice some of your happiness to see that they're brought up as well as can be. Children are a profound responsibility, and one not taken seriously enough by many parents. It's impossible to discuss the ethics of marriage-hopping without addressing the lasting effect it has on any offspring.

Fundamentally, young people today are caught in a crossfire; on the one side, you have a tradition where marriage & child-rearing is paramount to leading a successful and honest life, and unmarried people above a certain age are considered 'flawed'. On the other side, you have the fact that it takes a long time to get to know yourself, and for all practical purposes we don't "need" marriage to live and thrive as individuals. The pressure from the former encourages people to marry too early; the realities of the latter make it easy to escape if a mistake is made.

As the pressures of the former ebb over the next couple generations, I expect we'll see a lot of people marrying later in life, and settling into truly lasting and loving commitments as a result. We'll also likely build better social structures to assist single parent homes in raising successful and well-adjusted youth. The shake-up of marriage and other nuclear family traditions over the last few decades is by no means an inevitable slide into chaos, just a readjustment to the realities of modern life.

Mr. Silverman:

Your utterly gratuitous swipe at Newt Gingrich and Rush Limbaugh tells more than I need to know about where to file your opinions on marriage than any amount of text you could pen.

The institution of marriage far pre-dates any of the 'modern' religions and their attempts to pervert it into supporting some authoritarian orthodoxy. As people increasingly reject the hypocrisy and stupidity of religion, they will reject the phony marriage that it promotes. At least some of the people will always need marriage, but nobody needs the holy guys telling them how to do it.

I don't think marriage is in crisis....I think people are being more realistic and rational about the institution. And I think it is a more sensible and healthier approach to take than to have children growing up in an unstable or combative home--they are the ones that end up paying for their parent's lack of planning, immaturity, or selfishness.

Bring back Biblical marriage! Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines. If it was good enuf for him, it should be good enuf for the USA, too.

The state ought to get out of the marriage business. Marriage should be religious and the actually union between two consenting adults should be secular. Perhaps just call it coupled. Then don't use religion to describe what a legal couple looks like. I agree with the Belgian. If you want to call it marriage go get a church to recognize the relationship but that should have no legal ramifications.

I am Belgian and have lived in the U.S. for more than 23 years now. As far as "marriage" goes, I think Belgians have it right while the U.S. has it wrong.

I have been married for 26 years. My wife comes from a family of devout Catholics, so despite my indifference to religion I agreed to have a wedding ceremony in a church. However, the religious ceremony was purely symbolic and took place the day after our "official" marriage at the town hall. The former does not have any meaning as far as Belgian law is concerned.

Belgium was one of the first countries to legalize same-sex marriage. The fact that the secular legally-binding marriage ceremony is decoupled from the purely symbolic and optional religious ceremony was a major contributing factor to this change in the law, in my opinion.

For quite some time, especially over the past five years, my wife has been suffering from severe treatment-resistant depression. Her counseler has been able to trace it back to some traumatic events she experienced in her childhood and teenage years.

It is very hard to live with a loved-one who is completely dysfunctional due to mental illness. A few years ago she was very suicidal and tried to kill herself several times. But we struggled through it and she is doing better now.

My life could have been so much easier if I had abandoned my wife when our relationship was strained to the limit. But I decided to stick with her, and it was not because of the marriage certificate or God for that matter (I am a de-facto atheist to use Dawkins' terminology). Just like one can be good without God, to quote Greg Epstein, there is no reason why one could not have a happy loving relationship with a significant other without being married.

Good article Herb. My husband and I had a situation similar to yours and Sharon's, and I, like Sharon, wanted marriage. I wonder if a man would ever feel as vulnerable as a woman does. It is easier to walk away without marriage, and the motivation to make a relationship work may not be as stong in some cases without marriage. Our marriage has lasted 35 years, so I will never know what might have happened had we not made it legal. My guess is that we would have stayed together in either case.

I would like to only comment on the fact pointed out by the survey “that marriage is an institution in decline in many parts of American society.” I am a professor at Kent State University and I am from one the Middle East Islamic countries. In my country, over 90% of adults are married. Any out of wedlock male-female sex as well as gay or lesbian relationship is punishable by stoning or hanging, and divorce is a taboo. Well, this is what everyone sees on the surface. A good study of the family life in my country shows that over half the married men or women are forced to stay married but have secrete extra-marital relationships. Boys and girls that cannot openly have relationships choose to travel to remote places for the weekend to get away from the eyes of their parents in order to get together for sex. There are gays and lesbians but still in the closets.

I see marriage mainly as a legal agreement to protect the financial considerations of both parties as well as the children. Those with the financial means and foresight to do so, enter marriage these days with a pre-nuptial agreement and hopefully begin their conversations as financial partners.

I also see marriage as a way for couples to brand themselves as a committed couple for whatever their reasons may be. Marriage is available to opposite sex partners and minorities as well as whites. I'll consider it progress when marriage is available to same-sex partners as well.

My late partner and I felt legal marriage wasn't necessary and pledged ourself to each other. We had 15 years of a fantastic, loving relationship until Alzheimer's claimed her. We considered ourselves "married" and as far as anyone knew, we were.

I can definitely agree with #3 in Herb's list of reasons not to get married. I'm one of the 21% of atheist marriages that did end in divorce. The judge asked if there was a possibility of reconciliation. I wanted to tell him that he didn't know me or my wife and that it was none of his business. Then I realized that, by getting married in SC, I had made a public contract and had made it his business along with the business of every other South Carolinian. No thanks!

May you and your bride continue to have many years of happiness together.