People of faith just as fed up as nonbelievers

fishnoises

You wrote, "I am not anyone special. i do not fit into any neat little category of population.I am of no consequence. But I have a voice."

I was taught in second grade that "we are all equal in God's Eyes", not the same but equal, so that no one is of any more or any less of consequence than another.

We all have different "jobs", so to speak, and that means none of us is greater nor lesser in God's Eyes, all of us are God's children just as Jesus told us when He taught us to pray, "Our Father...", Our as in All of humanity.

You then wrote, "Hell is a real place. It is not an imaginary place or a conditon one finds themselves in for whatever reason. It is theplace God created for Satan."

As I have said, God did not create hell, if one were to die and wake up in hell, so to speak, they would come to the realization that they built it themself and they have no one but themself to blame for it.

Hell, by the way, is not seperation from God, that is what spiritual death is, hell is the consuming fire of Pure Love burning you rather than caressing you.

Jesus, Himself, went to hell and spiritual death, not just physical death, and by that won the keys to both and will use them in due time, God's Time.

Does it not say, "If I go to sheol, You are there"?

I was taught the Jesus took All of the sins of All of humanity upon Himself, either He did or didn't, if He did, than what is written about God reconciling the world to Himself is True and if He didn't then what did He do?

You then wrote, "And yes, I have experienced a hell on earth. That is the closest I will ever come to hell!"

I am not sure what you mean by "a hell", I was speaking about hell, where one "sees" themself, so to speak, thru the Eyes of Pure Love.

As I have said, Jesus went to hell and spiritual death voluntarily, by taking upon Himself ALL OF THE SINS OF ALL OF HUMANITY and in doing that Jesus became the Saviour of All.

As I have also said many, many times: God is a searcher of hearts and minds, not of religious affiliations or lack thereof and It is important what one does and why one does it and what one knows.

God's Plan is Good News and it would not be Good News if it were not for ALL to be in the Kingdom.

See you and the rest of humanity in the Kingdom.

Take care, be ready.

Sincerely, Thomas Paul Moses Baum.

I am a Chrisitan who agrees with Ms. Butler regarding the responsibility of christianity in our world. The Rally on Saturday was fun and uplifting. There was no profanity or hate on stage and there was lots of goodwill among the rally-goers. As for the political message of christianity - I believe Jesus was radical liberal. He preached a message of living into the Old Testament words to "do justice, love kindness and walk humbly with you God" by including women, tax collectors, blue-collar workers and those from different ethnic groups in his ministry of service and love - WITHOUT reference to the political rulers of his time. We should all do the same.

I agree Thomas. The problem with these types of forums is that we ony know the voice of the speaker through a few words. I am a hispanic homeschooling married mother of 4. I feel my freedoms to raise my kids are being threatened. I am not alone in this. i am not a writer. I am not anyone special. i do not fit into any neat little category of population.I am of no consequence. But I have a voice. I have a calling to be a mother and a homeschooler.
The news is good. The choices people make are bad. Hell is a real place. It is not an imaginary place or a conditon one finds themselves in for whatever reason. It is theplace God created for Satan. We either choose Jesus, or we don't. God requires me to give of myself freely and not when and where man tells me to. God's will is that we come to Him. The Bible tells us what will happen to the earth and how people will behave in the end times. He does not ask us to do what we can to save the earth. He asks us to love one another. But His terms not unconditional. If a person acts, and they give all honor and glory to God, then I have no right to queston their actions. I make enough mistakes to look to the log in my own eye. But if an organizition is acting and promoting welfare on the name of faith in man, then I will question their motives. If they promote their agendas in the name of God, but there is no fruit, then I will question their motives. If they promote agendas and twist the truth, using scripture, and my sprirt tells me something is not quite right, then i will question their motives. Does that make sense? I do not want my freedom to worship judged by my peers. I do not think it is right for Glenn Beck's rally and his belief in his calling to be ridiculed. FOr people to question his motives is the same as people questioning the motives of any believer. For people to call love, hate, and hate,love means that we have lost touch with each other. He is being given a platform, and he says things that many people agree with. He did not invent these ideas. He is reflecting what was already there. I am greatful to have someone out there standing up for Christian beliefs, and at the same time encourage everyione to follow their own religion. What is wrong with that? If one thinks he is a liar, then move on. The rally in DC today was about making fun of people of faith. And it wasn't even funny!
And yes, I have experienced a hell on earth. That is the closest I will ever come to hell!

fishnoises

You wrote, "Hell is a real place."

Have you ever "experienced" hell or spiritual death?

This is the "netherworld" that Jesus spoke of, didn't Jesus say something about "the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against It"?

Do you think that God created hell or that God allows us to "custom-build" our own hell and that if we die and wake up in hell, so to speak, that we have no one to blame but ourself since we are the one who built it?

Jesus, God-Incarnate, won the keys to the netherworld and will use them in due time, God's Time.

If the GOOD NEWS that we have been entrusted to PROCLAIM is not, ultimately, for ALL then it is not Good News at all but is horrific news.

As it is written: "It is God's Will that All be saved", and didn't Jesus, God-Incarnate, asked us to pray that God's Will be done?

You wrote, "They think that if they vote for candidates that promote anything that makes life on this earth more fair, or clean or whatever, that somehow their life has meaning---that good intentions are good enough."

"Whatever you did to the least of these, you have done to Me", sound familiar?

Take care, be ready.

Sincerely, Thomas Paul Moses Baum.

IN "MATHEMATICS & PROBABILITY'...

HOW To Catch FRANCE, Israel, England and now U.S. in a B I G -- L I E!

Psychologically spakething; Suddenly ALL Before The Elections:

First it started with a FALSE & phony, concocted 'Bin Laden message [WHO is In Fact DEAD; an they know this] message BUT YOU (voting Suckers) DON'T] now

Pleasa Oyevay!

Another BIG LIE!

"Cargo-plane bomb plot alert: w/photos of self-serving explosive devices 'designed to harm US synagogues'" Oye...!??

[Self Serving] BOMBS Found In or near Borack Obama's Home Town... la la, but Obama is Not Afraid to gout on the campaign trail. Oye...!????

Found Bombs at or Near Sinagogues, lalala Oye...!???

CIA Head? Said, lalala... Oye...!???

[Coalition Created] Al Qaida; from YEMEN did it etc.. etc.. OYE...!??

like the IShlami's are really coming at US (Keffirs) All at Once?? as forewarned? Pleazza!

Oyevayzmeer!! Weak Weak weak!

Nice Try OBAMA Admin & Desperado's!

Shame on MEDIA involved!
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Note: Between this Hour & by Monday There will be More BOMB, TERRORISTS stuff Fed to Unsuspecting Voters!

Maybe Prez Obama will be Assassinated by an "inside-Job" before Tuesday? Now In AMERICA (The 1 We used to know) Anything is Possible!

This Time, Shame on The U.S. Government & CO!

END the lies lies lies! yet More Lies r aComing ye/Yo ways! (not OUR way).

VOTE: GOOD RIDDANCE! BOY/Gal who Cried WOLFE!

VOTE: NO D-E-M-O-C-R-A-P-S Party!

STOP THE LiE's, REVEAL THE TRUTH!

STOP THE LiE's, EXPOSE THE TRUTH!

STOP THE LiE's, REVEAL THE TRUTH!..
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Remember: PRE- ELECTION -- P-R-O-P-A - G-A-N-D-A

BIN LADEN ids DEAD!

BIN LADEN is DEAD!

BEN LADEN IS DEAD!

BEN LADEN IS DEAD!

America created Him, Now They created other's Bin Ladens??: O' Shame on DEMOCRACY!

Vote: HELL-NO DEMOCRATS! NO To ENGLAND'S QUEENS & KINGS Yoke!

The BRITISH [r the Biggest Trouble Makers on Earth; Not JU's/Israel, Not MUSLIMS!]

VOTE: BRITISH must GO not Come here! Let Them (Includes Australia & New Zealand) Fight the New Bin Ladens & Extinguish their Lamps!

NO MORE USA!

AMERICA 1st!

ENGLAND LAST!
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POiNT: ISLAM will Defeat ITSELF in near Time:

WE[i] VOTING AMERICANS {The Real JURISTS} Don't Need to see The LIE's Perpetrated by "Democracy's! Current ADMIN?

Their Act & Behavior Is Blasphemous and an Abomination on a National/Conscious Level: Hint: It will surely Boomerang with a Vengeance!

BEHOLD: The Great OIL EMBARGO IS COMING! And Revolution In Many Nations! Thank You OBAMA! Thank You CLINTON's! Thank You PALOSI's, BIDENS, SCHUMER & Evil Officials, aka Satanic VersUS Lovers!

YE art Surely gonna Shoot Selves W/out shooting a Shot. And it will start in Ye/Yo SLEEP! Ye/Yo Will Be talking in Tongues, like the folks of Sodom & Babel did long long ago!

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After studying most of the Worlds Religions in the 1980's at Arizona State University I came up with the following thoughts.
People fall into three categories
when it comes to Religion.
1.Those who do not believe there is a God.
2.Those who believe that maybe there is a God.
3.Those that believe there is a God.
The do not believe group have until their last breath to change their views and in the meantime do whatever they wish to do while alive.If Right,no problem. If wrong they will find out what is on the other side.
The maybe there is group are in the same category as the first group and have until their last breath to keep or change their decision.
The group of people who do believe now want their question answered such as Who is God? Where is God?Is there life after death? Where did we come from? Where are we going? You have to be in a search mode to get answers to these questions. There are concrete answers but from where do they come. They do not come from people,they come from the God you believe in. If you find your God,you will know it and the understanding of these complicated issues can be known. It is not a Religious transformation, it is a spiritual transformation. There is a difference,but you can only know when the search is completed and the find is concrete.It is so simple it becomes complicated. It is like only someone other than yourself can know if you are Religious of Spiritual.You cannot know this of yourself.When someone says they are Religious or Spiritual they have to start their search from the beginning and from there it is a way to go.Think about it.

Posted by: joecarrsr | October 29, 2010 5:48

As an evangelical Christian and active member of a Baptist church, I give a hearty "amen!" to Ms. Butler. I have no use for the quasi-secularists like Beck and Limbaugh who seduce my fellow Christians, and I am equally as angry with those in my community who promote all of this right-wing nonsense. Believe me, there are more people out there who feel as I do than one might believe.

I like the idea of the rally; but, according to their websites on Comedy Central, both Stewart and Colbert, as well as others, will be using nasty and even pornographic language there.

They did say that some of the words would be "censored" on the Comedy Central cable channel; but, if you want it uncensored, you can see it live on the internet.

Faith and politics are intertwined. Since people make up politics it is impossible to separate the two. The separation of church and state was to ensure that politics did not promote any religion or make rules about hw to follow a specific religion. It was designed to protect people of faith (in whatever). Jihadist was right that no one has the corner on the market on reason. Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh, if you actually listen to them, promote freedom. Jon Stewart and Colbert mock faith and truth. Their goal is to promote themselves. This rally will be a joke. There will be no substance. There is no substance or meaning in gathering people to promote divisiveness. Faith in people and good intentions leads to failure and death. Faith in peace and safety and welfare has never been fruitful. Faith in freedom is life giving. Faith in free will, having the choice to learn by making mistakes leads to prosperity of the individualm which leads to prosperity of the family, community, nation. I choose to not live in fear. No one can make me be afraid.

"Fear not, for I have redeemed you; I have summoned you by name; you are mine." Isa 43:1
You forget the rest: "When you pass through the waters, I will be with you; and when you pass through the rivers, they will not sweep over you. When you walk through the fire, you will not be burned; the flames will not set you ablaze."
You used this scripture but you took it out of context. The Lord says you will have tribulation, but that he will protect you there while we go through it. He does not say, "Fear not, because life is going to get better."

A comment on your rhetoric: I find it ironic that you conclude with a note on "those who use religious rhetoric to divide us." Earlier, you yourself used the phrase "faith community": "The faith community shouldn't cede religion to them. We should take it back." The word "community" suggests not only inclusion, but also exclusion--those who "belong" and those who do not, the "we" and the "they." You also mention "the Jewish community": are Jews included in the "faith community," or do Jews have their own community? Do you see how such language works to divide people? I find it chilling and would not want to enter into a discussion with someone who uses words this way.

Hell is a real place. If people are offended by hearing the truth and call this fear mongering, then that is their problem. Earth is dying. People are suffering, and no amount of good works is going to get someone into Heaven. The Gospel is about Christ. Freedom to choose your own faith is God-given! Religion is slavery and supression. Those that follow a religion that is man-made and filled with rules are the ones who fear the shadows of their own making. The reason for this is because they deny truth. They deny what their spirit needs. They try to please man and say that sinning is just making mistakes. They think that if they vote for candidates that promote anything that makes life on this earth more fair, or clean or whatever, that somehow their life has meaning---that good intentions are good enough.
My question is....the people of what faith????? Faith in?????

Ms. Jennifer Butler,

I'm with you on what you wrote. However, fanatics and extremists of any belief and non-belief don't quite have a sense of humour. Nor are are they quite capable of stepping back and taking a deep breath to consider what they say and do. After all, they really think they are under siege in their bunkers and besieged in their trenches. They are blindly shooting at anything they think is after them and what they believe in and have, including phantoms of their own making, and shadows of their imagination.

My very best to you and your group during the rally to restore sanity in discourse, faith in reason and reason in faith.