Finding the Faith-Based Balance

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DPHuntsman (and others):

Please see my comments interspersed:

DPH - There is no prohibition in this country to evangelizing (no matter how obnoxious I find most of it). What you suggest, though, is that the taxpayers fund it. (I'm guessing only Christian evangelicals need apply for this government funding; am I right? Would one of the charities supporting Hamas' social services be totally fine with you also?)

s2s - 1. I am not suggesting that the government and taxpayers fund evangelising. I'm merely suggesting that if they want Group X to serve people at government/taxpayer expense because Group X does it effectively, then the government/taxpayer ought to respect the integrity of Group X and not force it to change components of its identity that made it attractive to the government/taxpayer in the first place.

s2s - 2. I'm not a fan of our Hamas proposition - the perceived negatives outweighing the potential positives.

DPH - If you, or Hamas, want to proselytize, then fine; but you are not to get any tax money to do it.

s2s - absolutely fine. But when government needs (or decides that it needs) Group X to do the work, then it ought not force compromise on the integrity of the charity/NGO.

DPH - On that, I agree with Mr. Wallis. By further saying that:

" If the government thinks that such organizations are effective enough to financially support, it should be within the context of the integrity of that organization's modus operandi."

is simply wrong, on many scores. So we are to give tax dollars to a muslim organization that might, for example, practice genital mutilation? I'm guessing you wouldn't; at the very least, you would say that if they accepted taxpayer money, they had to abide by our (secular) laws and Constitution.

s2s - let me reiterate that I am not in favour of the government paying NGOs to do government work. But if the government needs or believes that it needs NGos to do the work it ought not change the identity of the NGO in hiring it to do the work.

DPH - The same applies to Christian evangelicals. No exceptions to them, as much as I think you may want them.

s2s - I understand your points. I hope that my clarifications have settled the perceived difference of opinion. Summary - a. government ought not pay NGOs to do the work; b. if it pays it ought to be within the context of the integrity of the NGO's modus operandi.

Much grace,
S2S

500 yil hayatta kalmanin yolu bulunmus ya hani ureme organlari cikartilinca, aklima 500. Yil Museviler Dernegi ve 500 yil boyunca atanin naasinin saglam duracagi aklima geldi.

hani MArmaris Meryem'in Azizi mi acaba, ya da Meryem ve ISA mi hani MAr ermenice aziz demek olmasi itibariyle?

burada yazdigim gezegenlerin agirliksiz olmasi yazimi begendiniz mi?

Bedri RAhmi Eyuboglu aklima geldi saat dokuz olunca, hani ayarlayayim dedim saatimi, MArmaris'te, turk bayragini aya goturen amerikali astronotun heykeli Bedir "dolunay" adasi aciklarinda bulunmus.

thank You.

shall there be also mass packages for the mass pax ages?

this is all i have taken to give to You, dear Readers Speakers Presenters and Singers.

one more point i want to keep Your attention on is the the data communication over electric cables and the house bulbs as wireless connection sources in the rooms.

shall there be announcements in the houses too? shall there be ultraviolet and nihgtvision views too?

Gok-Kog reminded Phil-Lihp to me. and Didim has reminded the Mother EArth Culture of Turks OTUKEN and Aphrodite.

we may talk about TAtaristan, the Journey of the President of Turkey, the university Viladimir Ilyic Lenin had graduated from and DEep Space Observatory Centers in TAtaristan.

http://www.bilinclianne.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=427&Itemid=31

and Presidency of France is Archbishop besides VAtican. so we have come so far to VAtican and Queen, to whom i had invited to a journey to Australia, better say SOurce of Israel and SAnd.

i think anyone on Anatolia, shall come to an agreement on redistribution of Aphrodite in Didim. but much more than this, two submarines, nuclear submarines one of Britan one of France have collided, this is St Nicholas and Iznik. in Iznik also is St Thomas Didimus and St Augustine, these saints are on the painting of SIX SAINTS. in IZnik is the center of Anglicanism.

so lets come to the point, what is the faith-based balance in this case?

BULDUM! sanirim bunun icin MAn-Europe da diyebiliriz. benim sansim bunu soyleyebilecek serbestlikte olmamdir. ya da ben Gelibolu'ya gideyim yollar dar da olsa genisler.

ve en guzel manevra, bugun icin, ordunun muvazzaf yetismis unsurlarla yerini almis ve halihazir kudretini icerir ve tasir ve gosterir bir yapiya kavusmus olmasi.

Anadolu'da ordu icinde, muvazzaf ve emekli, iki buyuk yapi olusmus galiba ve SİMAV'da duyurulmus.

sanırım ikiye ayrılan sadece PKK değil. eyvah eyvah eyvah.

the agricultural insecticides have been a medicine for schisophrenia, known as AGMATIN, known also in spine injuries. i considered whether it is "Silver MAting".

silver is also a medicine in Russia, used as antibiotic, used also in laundry too. but i have not been certain about Silver MAting AGMATIN.

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i sometimes consider whether Napoleon Bonaparte had put his hand over his heart between the buttons of his jacket to say "join, join, join".

"fith of six" is from the degree of the EArthquake, according to Bogazici Observatory known with Armenians, if i have not mistaken.

there is a flowing water named as "known as like silver" in SIMAV. geothermal sources supply the seasonal acclimation of the inhabitances.

Emir Buhari is Emirsultan, step-son of "Thunder Freeman" the Ottoman Ruler before Timur the LAme came. Emir Buhari is husband of Thunder Freeman's daughter.

this district SIMAV is known with Grandson of Ahmet prophet, with Emirsultan.

basicly Seventh Wendy Aid and The Windy Height.

let me invite parties to invoke common linguistic ability and and get ready for maternity within spirituality and light to give the verbalization to public service.

the EArthquake (St MArkus Thomas Omer, Thomas is pronounced as OMER, with reference to wikipedia. Omer had calmed the EArth.)

the EArthquake in Anatolia on 7:28 AM on Simav Kutahya took me to Roman Empire and Coins, to Isaac Thomas Hecker and St Francisco, to the Fifth of Six and the Seventh Saint, through the Seven Twendy Eight and Seventh Wendy Height.

S2S,

There is no prohibition in this country to evangelizing (no matter how obnoxious I find most of it). What you suggest, though, is that the taxpayers fund it. (I'm guessing only Christian evangelicals need apply for this government funding; am I right? Would one of the charities supporting Hamas' social services be totally fine with you also?)

If you, or Hamas, want to proselytize, then fine; but you are not to get any tax money to do it. On that, I agree with Mr. Wallis. By further saying that:

" If the government thinks that such organizations are effective enough to financially support, it should be within the context of the integrity of that organization's modus operandi."

is simply wrong, on many scores. So we are to give tax dollars to a muslim organization that might, for example, practice genital mutilation? I'm guessing you wouldn't; at the very least, you would say that if they accepted taxpayer money, they had to abide by our (secular) laws and Constitution.

The same applies to Christian evangelicals. No exceptions to them, as much as I think you may want them.

KERT1 :

"I think Mr. Wallis presents a good perspective on this. Forcing hiring of people who don't share the same faith forces the Faith out of "Faith-Based"."

Again, I believe you've turned it inside out. No one is forcing, for example, a Muslim charity to hire Christians. But if you are to accept the people's money, you must follow our secular laws and Constitution, and not discriminate. If you want to discriminate, then continue your work, without the dole from the taxpayer.

During the previous administration, I worked for the federal contractor that provided technical support for the faith-based initiative known as the Compassion Capital Fund (CCF). Much was made about the Bush Administration’s innovativeness in providing public dollars to support the work of faith-based organizations. This was inaccurate. Government support through a network of grants and contracts has been provided to religious organizations for non-sectarian social services for the past 50 years.

What was new was allowing federal funds to be used to support religious and quasi-religious activities under the guise of social services. This happened with a wink and a nod through the Capital Compassion Fund and related faith-based initiatives. This cannot be allowed to continue in the Obama Administration.

Additionally, I witnessed first hand, technical assistance training on how CCF grantees could legally discriminate against people they didn’t want to hire based on religious predilections. As an American, I was and continue to be offended that taxpayer dollars would be used to exclude any group of people. This, as well, cannot be allowed to continue.

Yet, beyond these challenges, there is the wider, Constitutional issue of the separation of church and state. The previous administration – certainly not the most respectful of the Constitution in general – somehow believed that the separation clause was up for grabs. It is not.

We are all diminished when government can use its substantial weight to assault the Constitution by funding the peculiarities of religious entities. Let’s hope that President Obama, as a constitutional scholar, will safeguard these vital protections by curtailing the ability of any organizations – faith-based or otherwise – from using taxpayer dollars to discriminate against anyone.

I have written more on this issue on my blog: http://www.501cweb.com

i know how hard it is in a Family where Pupils of People attack the People of Source. i no more argue with my brothers. because my parents no more keep me behind them. because my parents no more keep me in front of them.

shall You be Home soon, Mrs Livni? we missed You much. we know how friendly and how parental you are. Israel is a parent, Israel is a sister.

Israel is like a sister who never leaves Her sisters and brothers, even kicks and slaps. You are the Old Sister of the Family where FAther and Mother are around. it is time you are to be free and stand, our beloved sister.

do You mean, Mrs Tzipi Livni, that You shall not go on Foreign Affairs and shall be Prime Minister?

Tzipi Livni, Foreign Affairs Minister and Prime Minister. Your address about "short relations" are "Foreign Affairs", isnt it?

i thank to Mr. Jimm Wallis, for this article. sayin Ayse Arman, nasilsiniz? Robin Williams'in When Dreams Come True filminde icmimar karisinin yanina gelip kalemi tutar, bir beyaz sayfaya yazar. belki bir pazar, babanizin yazisini okuruz. biraz dinlenin, deniz kiyisina gidin, yazarsiniz. belki haber dagiticinizi degistirirsiniz gazetenizi degistirmek yerine : )

gazetecilerin israil italya rusya ingiltere fransa almanya hindistan cin ve ilgili ulkelerin haberlerini okuyabilmeleri icin bir intibaka tabii tutulmalari iyi olur, cevirilerin oturmasi icin en azindan, ya da kucuk notlar gonderilsin, kullanim kilavuzu verilsin ve bir uzerinde anlasilmis arayuzu olsun haberlerin. mesela DArwin'in ve Lenin'in kitaplarinin esas halinin sayfalarinin uzerinde notlar olsa gerek.

mesela Kuran'in Arapcasi ile Turkcesi farkli, ama satilmasina izin veriliyor. bir kelime uzerindeki anlam baska olunca tum kitapcik yukseliyor, sorumlu yazarşndan ya da nobetci gazeteciden anahtarlarini isteyebiliriz "with just another worth on a word, the whole chapter shifts. we may ask for the keys from the responsible author in shift of"

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the bridge between "sheep" and "sleep" is, i think, "to go to Lord", H-L. we are talking about "sheep of sheep herd with shepherd".

the Earth is a sheep in the herd and a ship in the fleet. yes.

within love that have emanated from wherever people gathered and prayed and sang, wherever couples made love in love,

wherever partners kissed their partners in love, wherever people have found peace and medicine for their wounds in their souls and hearts,

wherever people have met once more their beloveds, wherever stars shined in love and light one more time and forever.

greetings to readers to speakers
to presenters to singers

blessings to all
in respect to Asik VEysel and to Sojourners.

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as far as i see, frogs have cheerfully accompanied in our meeting too. this has been a marvellous journey.

Liebe Damen und Herren,
ich habe zu Ihnen Gross Grusse gesendet

von Frohliche,

greetings to readers to speakers to presenters
blessings to all

blessings to all on this day and on each day that we have been together and shall be together. i see i have got some ether from Her : )

yes this is gently in love of Her.

sometimes i have met news of constellations with two suns. some have 14 children : )

Po-Verty, as far as i know from St Francis the Assisitant and His Colleague Clara, is the Standing Houseware in the Palace, also the Vertical Patterns and Green Wealth in the Forest.

this is the joyful chat in the sunny times. when cometh the silent presence, when cometh the navy indigo sea and saileth we all night long, and in the morning when cometh the pearl out of the sea, the blessing enjoureth and visiteth and stayeth with all.

greetings to readers and speakers,
blessings to all

on this Sunday, lets talk from Unity and God and Sonne of Faither, lets bask. "die Sonne" is the Sun, in German.

Unity is the Beauty of United States of America. while the federal government and the main code have been established within the wisdom of Bible and Traditions and Advanced Humanity and SAnity, who would not get from the Funds?

why did USA Air Force leave ADA Programming LAnguage? because it reached to the highest detailed stage and a new approach and the wisdom appeared within have been verbalized. this is the beauty of USA Air Force.

Armenia honoured "Frank Sinatra "Sing At RAy" of Armenia in France" as Emissary besides Switzerland. He knows Armenian not, but He knows how it goes to do it His Way.

the matter is the stars. the sun is also a star. and the sun moves on a path too. they are weightless and the connection between the planets and stars is the connection between humanity on Earth.

we are like the setalight view of Earth, we are the shining stars like the city lights on EArth.

now what i want to say is the fund is the energy within each person on EArth to present wisdom, health, medicine, care and beauty.

i think and practise also what one would do in case one has been with one cloth, one shirt, one pants, one coat and one underware where there is plenty of demand for necessity and request.

and there comes economy and there comes saints and faith and basic of traditions, that is the language and genetics, the inheritance and wealth of humanity, given granted and always present and available.

Kert1 (and others):

Thanks for your point. The distinction made by Mr. Wallis between service inclusiveness and employment exclusiveness sounds good. But just as the character and commitment of the hired staff is an essential component of the effectiveness of faith-based organizations, so is the nature of the service. For some such organizations, their basic services include proselytizing.

The evangelism component of the service is a key motivation and reason for the success of their programme. To rip that portion of their service would have a similar effect to that which Mr. Wallis anticipates regarding non-discriminatory hiring requirements.

Christian faith-based organizations are aimed at trying to save people by introducing them to relationship with Jesus that involves forgiveness of sins through repentance and faith. If the government thinks that such organizations are effective enough to financially support, it should be within the context of the integrity of that organization's modus operandi.

Much grace,
S2S

I think Mr. Wallis presents a good perspective on this. Forcing hiring of people who don't share the same faith forces the Faith out of "Faith-Based". Therefore it destroys the whole premise of this department.

I don't know if I have as much faith that Obama will allow this practice to occur. It seems like Mr. Wallis believe his candidate to have a different position than what he stated. Cleary Obama does want any type of employee to work at these Faith-Based organzations. We'll see if he changes his mind.