Celebrate One Nation of Many Faiths

Thank you Bishop Crane,
I have been researching the original American annals from 230 years ago in order to respond to the recent exclamation: "What do you mean, we are no longer a Christian nation; the founding fathers must be turning over in their graves!"
My conclusions match yours, but you are much more eloquent and concise. The founding fathers were way ahead of us on this one; and reached unanimity rather quickly.

This Shayna guy has copy pasted same stuff elsewhere on these pages. I strongly suggest that this Washington Post feature should be accessible to registered users only.

This spamming and muckraking only wastes people's time and bring down the quality of dialog. Only registered user feature can effectively tackle this and commenter can retain the archive of their posted comments in their account like with regular Washingtonpost.com account.

The easiest thing would be to let existing Washingtonpost.com users to integrate these pages to their accounts.

I wouldn't worry about the anti-Christ. I've seen evil in action and it's self destructive. That's because it has no love or passion. It seeks power only to destroy the power it seeks. They aren't fooling us, they are only fooling themselves. Good keeps producing good. Evil isn't competitive. Good can come at you fast. It's in demand.

Shayna Arnold:

Are you doing drugs, girl. If you are, you should probably stop. If you aren't using drugs and your post is indicative of your 'normal' self, the you should probably start using drugs. Anything that might make your brain work.

First, this is not a Christian nation and it was not founded as such. You need to find an actual history bokk and find out tyhe truth before you hurt yourself with these pathetic lies.

Second, I am an atheist, but I have read Revelation. There is not one reference anywhere to Islam or Muslims. Islam didn't exist until after Revelation was written. The worst lie from a Christian that I've ever heard.

Third, Barack Obama is not a Muslim and he has almost no ties to Muslim beliefs. Where do you guys get this crap?

Jeremiah Wright said a couple really stupid things, but he mostly spoke the truth. Most of what he said is empirically demonstrable. Moreover, America has been hating on blacks for 400 years. Why are you suprised that a few might be angry about it?

Your post certainly wins the prize for least informed, least lierate and most dishonest post of the day.

Oh, Shayna, you should know Christians use that book to say anyone or anything they don't like at the moment is 'the Antichrist' ...and the world's *always* about to end.

How bout we live? We can choose *that.*

If we're willing to work for it.

"How long is the Beast allowed to have authority in Revelations? "

Revelations Chapter 13 tells us that it is 42 months...

... Almost a four-year term of a Presidency...

According to The Book of Revelations the anti-Christ is:

"...a man, in his 40's, of MUSLIM descent, who will deceive the nations with persuasive language, and have a MASSIVE Christ-like appeal....the prophecy says that people will flock to him and he will promise false hope and world peace, and when he is in power, he will destroy everything..."

Do we recognize this description?

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Even if you don't believe in the Bible or it's teachings, how can we ignore the fact that this man has such close ties to the Muslim faith and it's beliefs?
And that the Pastor from his church preached hate against America?--No matter how much he may denounce him now, this was his spiritual leader for many years.

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In a recent news broadcast, Barack Obama made this statement with pride, 'We are no longer a Christian nation; we are now a nation of Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, . .." To think our forefathers fought and died for the right for our nation to be a Christian nation--then to have this man say with pride that we are no longer that.

How far has this nation come from what our founding fathers intended it to be!

"How long is the Beast allowed to have authority in Revelations? "

Revelations Chapter 13 tells us that it is 42 months...

... Almost a four-year term of a Presidency...

According to The Book of Revelations the anti-Christ is:

"...a man, in his 40's, of MUSLIM descent, who will deceive the nations with persuasive language, and have a MASSIVE Christ-like appeal....the prophecy says that people will flock to him and he will promise false hope and world peace, and when he is in power, he will destroy everything..."

Do we recognize this description?

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Even if you don't believe in the Bible or it's teachings, how can we ignore the fact that this man has such close ties to the Muslim faith and it's beliefs?
And that the Pastor from his church preached hate against America?--No matter how much he may denounce him now, this was his spiritual leader for many years.

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In a recent news broadcast, Barack Obama made this statement with pride, 'We are no longer a Christian nation; we are now a nation of Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, . .." To think our forefathers fought and died for the right for our nation to be a Christian nation--then to have this man say with pride that we are no longer that.

How far has this nation come from what our founding fathers intended it to be!

Reverend,

It is interesting to see moderates like you blogging on Washington Post whereas all we hear outside of the United States is Pat Robertson and his version of religion and politics.

Despite intellectual and liberal/ moderate Christians like yourself and your other Episcopalian brethren such as John Shelby Spong and Gene Robinson, most Americans will remain conservative Christians and only conservative churches will grow or the ones with folks like Joel Osteen, Robert Schuler, T.D. Jakes, Rick Warren etc.

And despite separation of church and state all presidential candidates from Mitt Romney to Barack Obama will have to say in public, ''I believe in Jesus.'' or more histrionic and telegenic version of Mr. Romney, ''I believe Jesus Christ is the son of God.''

Regards,

Rajiv Thind (Christchurch, New Zealand)
http://emberglow.wordpress.com

While we ponder these great truths... or whatever...

How bout... We do some things we may count *sensible?

Master controller of all that can be controlled

I get the Eddie tape on, hit the switch for the front porch lamp and bulb blows. The electric light is the most efficient policeman. I changed the bulb and Eddie is saying give me a reason. Too crazy to cry.

Master controller of all that can be controlled

Control is overrated. Listen to Eddie Money, No Control.

Corporacracy
Don't worry. You can only advance as fast as you can come up with solutions. All these world domination schemes always fail. Everybody is doing something different. You need to get out to timberland country and fish more often if this is what you think about all day.

All men are born equally free and independent, and have certain inherent and indefeasible rights, among which are those of enjoying and defending life and liberty, of acquiring, possessing and protecting property and reputation, and of pursuing their own happiness.

I was trying to post this and computer hell happened. An old friend read this to me years ago and said, "aren't those some of the most beautiful words ever written." You couldn't disagree. If people aren't happy, they need to do more pursuing and less suing. Like Winston said, if you are going through hell, keep going. I know a lot of guys that went through it, so we could have a little heaven and peace. It was meant to last forever.

I'm in no hurry. Rush hour and nobody is rushing.

We have a farm in Iowa. for decades we grew corn. After a while crops were not as good as in the past. We changed to grazing live stock. after a while the herd got so big stock was getting sick and there wasn't enough space.
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We decided to kill off a few. Took them to market. Recleared the land now things are all better.
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For the average Texan Moron and most of America included. (I say it this way because most shutter at the thought of killing eventhough common sence is the choice.) It is time to clear the fields. The world has to many humans. The only remidty is to kill off part of the herd.
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All the induced aspects of control are not working. 2.5 million abortions a year. Not working they are still breading like rats. Hitler murdered 2 million Jews a year at the peak of crop cleansing. The public called it a holicaust. America has murdered over 50 million babies they call it choice.
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I'd say the world is ready for a good job of curing the problem.
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About 6 well place nucular bombs on major cities in America and around the world should be looked at as a cure. We have supplies in place around the planet. Human kind will survive. The wealthy will have their share to survive for reestablishment of "CORPORACRACY". IT IS TIME.
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Consider our selfs lucky. America is going to have a great black leader to administer "CHOICE" for humankind. If, just if things go as predicted. the fields will begin being cleared in 2009-2010.
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It will be a great time on planet Earth. There will be fewer population. An we will be back to the values that made this country what it is today. But we will be starting almost over again. Not quite. But it will be almost a clean field.
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Of all experience. Which ever existed. And all , That will ever exist. Every experience is unique, to the receiver. Mental stimulation. Inducing , action , Causing chemical exchanges. Between information processors. Of various life forms.
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Description of our thought process. Which is accepted in this time and space , of human existence here on planet Earth.
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Humans have memory ! They can analyze memory. They can use the information. Make calculated Judgments’ and decisions , resulting in, “objectives “.
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Inducing chemical exchange, within the information processor, impacts, “Goals and Objectives” , Out of nothing more , then a single thought.
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This is absolutely correct. There is not one human on Planet Earth. That can prove the afore mentioned statement false….! .
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So, the receiver of this statement has to engage though t, as to reality. That the above stated fact, has not. Changed since the beginning of time.
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Everything created by humans . Started as a thought. Chemical exchanges engaged by thought. Stimulated by , processes, within the brain. Out of nothing more then, impact. Of a significant, emotional event. That engrains memory . Out of less than thin air.
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One thought, has created the largest * Corporacracy * of Power, anywhere. Ever known to exist. Our Government is what *they* decide! Have you been fooled ?
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The above statement is absolutely correct. Meaning, all combined wealth of Corporations, as a majority. Control the largest quantity, of power. Which ever existed ..
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The * Corporacracy * erases, nations’ , borders and steals sovereignty of the people. With objectives to expunge any reason for patriotism !
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This statement is more factual. Than what is stated on the back of , U.S. Dollar bills.

“ In “God” “ We” “Trust ”.

Be grateful . To your Master .
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Condensed definition
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Corporacracy (co-por-AC-racy)
n. pl. co•por•ac-racies

1. A word combining "corporation" and "aristocracy".
2. Government by CEOs and top executives of global corporations.
3. Global corporations, considered the primary source of political power.
4. Wealth rules
5. The principles of gross financial inequality and fear of global corporations.
6. The reason the top 5% of the population control over 40% of the wealth.
7. A government that, by blatant disregard for humanity and the environment, is causing the American "middle class" to shrink, fading into an almost poverty level existence. They do this by taking advantage of the "middle class’s" apathy and its addiction to fossil fuels.
8. A government that buys figure head leaders, known as "presidents". These "leaders" are called Republicans and Democrats. Members of the shrinking "middle class" still embrace a fantasy which leads them to write editorial letters debating the differences between the two "parties". They are still under the false impression that there are only two "political" parties existing in the US.
9. The Corporacracy controls colonies in North America, Western and Eastern Europe, Central and South America, Asia, Africa and Australia. It’s sole rule of governance is to create money which creates more money.
10. Functions independently. Controlling others.
11. : For separate purposes. To produce wealth and power.
12. ultimate master slave relationship within a monetary exchange system of labor. Inducing government function. Producing predetermined results.
13. Master controller of all that can be controlled

The majority of Western and some non-European governments in the world today operate on a secular basis and believe that religions have no say in legislation or running of their countries, and the idea behind this system is that either God does not exist or, if He does, He is not concerned with the state and His commands not being followed. The majority of Westerners and many other in the world believe that religion is a thing of the past and obsolete. And there are people who do not know if Allah, God or Ishver exists and the myth behind this is that it is without logic and evidence.

Let us examine this argument and follow that believing in Allah does not require faith in the Unseen but is backed up by what we see around us, for example, the cosmological or the First Cause. There are many verses in the Koran that celebrate the brilliant creation of God, Allah, who describe Himself in Surah 59 as the Creator, the Maker and the Fashioner of everything in the universe, from the tiniest particle to the vastest galaxy, and they work according to carefully designed system or plan and rather than in chaos and arising by chance. In fact, as we see, we have a carefully ordered cosmos with all creation working in perfect harmony under beautifully magnificent system of natural laws.

Islam teaches humanity to reason, and to reflect, and to explore the bosom of mysterious nature. No society would have been civilized without the presence of religion and the fear of Allah, God. Secularism has led western civilization and Christianity into oblivion. The world has witnessed that in absence of religion has led to lewdness, moral degradation, immorality, illicit sex, illegitimate births, crime, rapes, incest and rape of tiny babies. The world witnessed two world wars fought owing to the lack of understanding of God and still bears witness to atomic horrors of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, obliteration of countries and killing of over sixty million human beings in the name of Western secularism and greedy capitalism, materialism and colonialism.

Islam envisages religion as not just a part of life but as the whole of it. In fact, aI-Islam or al-din sees itself as life itself and it incorporates what we do, what we make, what we think, what we feel as well as addresses the question of where we come from and where we are go after this life. That is why Islamic religion always uses the term al-din as embracing all facets of human life leaving nothing outside its dominion. In the traditional Islamic perspective there is nothing secular, nothing outside the realm that is not governed by religion ordained by Allah. There is inter-relation between all things that Allah has created and there is unity that runs through the whole of Allah’s crated order and through human society if that society is to be Islamic.

There must be unity in human life; there must be unity in the relationship between man and the world of nature; there must be unity in human thought; there must be unity what man makes, in the art, the architecture and cities which he creates. All of these forms of unity reflect the Wisdom and Will of Allah in our world, the Will, which is embodied most concretely in the Divine law or Shariah and which should be expressed in every authentic facet of the Muslim’s life.

Islamic doctrine is based on revealing of the total Nature of Divinity who is the One without a partner. The path of Islam is based on the middle path: the Muslim outwardly applies reason, justice, compassion, and all other virtues while inwardly he or she is in abandonment and submission, trusting that the outcome to any situation will be the appropriate one. Therefore, whosoever is in true and constant submission, in utmost awareness both outwardly and inwardly is on the path of pursuing the ultimate knowledge and fulfilling their purpose.

Religion has no place in politics. There is nothing wrong with being Spiritual and the idea that there is some Benevolent All Pervading Intelligence and a connection between all being and that compassion results in the creation of the best future reality for all. But it stops there the rest is mostly Dogma and Fiction.

There is nothing wrong with Spirit being aggressively involved in Politics, in other words giving truth, wisdom and compassion a voice and presence. We need more of this.

http://buddha.me

And the classic quote from infinite play

"Religion is a creation of man, not God, and is subject to flaws"

http://divine.me

Especially in the interpretation

Have you all ever witnessed Church politics? These people are supposed to be representatives for God and Spirit?

This is not to say certain writings are not divinely inspired and are void of spiritual insight and wisdom, but many of the have become tainted by source disconnected ego and organized religion has become an egoic institution to control and subvert, propagators of division, illusion and fiction.

http://illusions.me

I am sure all the great spiritual teachers are appalled at the commercialization of their work and it’s use in judgment and persecution.