How many more will die?

Gun control advocates are as bad as abortion shriekers.

Much of the black on black crime results in death by the use of firearms. How do these young men get their guns? Washington, D.C., had gun control policiies in place until the courts struck them down last year.

It is amazing that we want the people in Iraq and Afghanistan to be unarmed except for the security forces. Seems like a double standard to me. It makes no sense that our supposedly Christian nation should not only be armed to the teeth but also be one of the largest sellers of arms in the world. So much for global stability. If we truly believe in God, He is our shield and defender.

The Second Amendment really needs to be looked at and decided closely by the Supreme Court. I personally do not believe that the Second Amendment give any of us a right to bear arms as is interpreted by the gun lobby (NRA) today. We used to have armories and the like where the weapons were stored until needed to fight the Indians and so forth. On the frontier, the pioneers were allowed to have their weapons for hunting as well as for protection. After all, there were no armed militias per se on the frontier.

These steps are required to own an automatic weapon in the US;

Fully automatic firearms must be taxed and regulated, cannot be imported from outside the United States, and can no longer manufacture and/or register new/existing full auto weapons with the federal government (BATFE).

In order to legally own one, you must first find one that you wish to buy. For it to be legal, it must have been made and registered with the BATFE prior to 19 May 1986. These are what are known as transferrable NFA or Class III items.

Your next step will be to negotiate a price with the buyer. Most buyers have their prices set pretty firm and the going rate for a M16 varies by condition and model (M16A1, A2, AR-15 conversion, etc). A brand new, unfired, factory Colt M16A2 is going to run you about $18,000+ while a used AR-15 conversion will run you about $9,500-$13,000+. You will just have to shop around and look for the best deal out there.

Once you find one and negotiate a price you will need to pay the seller. Depending on if you are buying the item from out of state or not, you may also need to find a local Class III FFL/SOT to handle the transfer. NFA/Class III items CANNOT be shipped or carried across state lines without the proper prior approved paperwork. If buying out of state, you would need to have it transferred to a local seller who would then transfer it to you. Once you have found a FFL/SOT if needed, you will need to pay the seller. Unlike with other firearms where you can often do installment payments for years or put it on a credit card, most NFA sellers want full funds up front although some are willing to work with you and do half now, half when the paperwork comes back. At best, you are looking at half up front before he will even start the paperwork.

Once the seller is satisfied with the payment plan and has his funds, he will begin the paperwork. This requires a little bit of work on your end. You will need to get a few things in order for the process to be complete. You will need to get two sets of fingerprint cards done, two passport photos, and fill out a Form 4 (to include the signature of the CLEO of the area you live in) and write a check to the Department of the Treasury for the $200 transfer tax. It is this special tax that will allow you to legally own the weapon. Once you have all this together along with the required paperwork from the seller, you will ship it all to the BATFE who will then have one of their 10 or so inspectors sit down and review it. Any little error will cause it to be rejected and sent back. This is where the frustration begins as the wait starts. It generally takes anywhere from 50-90 days for them to process an application. The main thing that they will be doing is running an extensive background check on you through the FBI criminal database using all your information as well as your fingerprints.

Once the paperwork finally comes back, the seller can then legally ship/transfer the weapon to you.

volkmare

Let's cut back more and more on care for the mentally ill, and put guns in their hands.

Here is a truth that you need to seek: you have a very hard heart.

volkmare -

Of course someone who is highly-enough motivated can manage to kill a lot of people somehow, but sensible gun laws can cut down on the carnage. If its harder for someone with schizophrenia to get hold of guns, particularly automatic weapons, how will your Second Amendment rights be curtailed?

How many people do you think is a fair number to be sacrificed each year to your interpretation of the Second Amendment?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, Mark - "guns don't kill people yada yada ..."

Except, having a Glock 19 semi-automatic pistol with extended clip made it a LOT easier for Jared Loughner to kill so many so quickly. Why does he, or ANY civilian, need such a weapon?

Pointing out the danger automatic weapons pose is not "spreading fear", it is pointing out the reality. And Mark, please, you don't speak for "the people".

There is no gun law that could have prevented this event.

Stop spreading fear to promote an agenda that the people dont want.

Mark
Always seek the truth.