Sex Can Be Sacramental

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Dr. Borg -

I am missing your insights.

Win

Is sex good or bad that is indeed a major issue between a lovely Christian married couple: George and Laura Bush. In fact the arguments are so heated up that they are heading for a divorce. The issue is that George likes Condi and then some. Question: who is at fault here? What is life all about? Some countries or religions allow more than one wife. What should the rules be here in Christian USA?

Thanks be to our CREATOR for making Man and his helpmeet with sex organs and the desire for sex.

It is a wonderful gift from a LOVING GOD to all Mankind.

We would have complained if this GIFT was not given to us. God in HIS wisdom would have given a different method to multiply, and replenish the Earth.

To the clean of heart all things are clean and to the unclean of heart nothing is clean, not even the Gift of SEX.

If anyone is in Christ Jesus, then this person is a new creation and such a peson knows the use and the ecstacy of SEX to the Glory of GOD.

Those that are not in Christ Jesus are carnal and therefore are confused as to the use of sex and so mix-up their being as humans with that of the attitude of the animals towards sex. They try to define sex in various ways using religions made by man.

Sex is best known by being in CHRIST JESUS.

Well, I always like what Prof. Borg has to contribute. I even imagine that his way of thinking may someday work its way through the world and result in reconciliation without killing our faith.

My comments:

Pacific Pandiest is alluding to his/her version of the incarnation: God became the world (we Christians say God became man). Duvernell, like Borg, speaks of the experience of transcending self. Norrie, like Borg, speaks of the power and ambivalence of sex -- the deep mystery of it.
I like all this.

Engel, Anonymous, Rheinhart, and others, to be consistent would have to say we love our children because we want them to make us look good and look after us in old age (and for no other reason). I find this particularly unattactive and reductionist. It is a rejection of all that is noble about being human.

I am not sure what Absolute O-K is saying.

Thanks Marcus and keep it up.

There is the suggestion that "sacramental" is a type of thing or phenomena that exists outside of our skin and we are making a subtle, or astute observation that sex can possess the characteristics of this external type of entity. But of course, there is no such thing.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sacrament

sac·ra·ment
–noun 1. Ecclesiastical. a visible sign of an inward grace, esp. one of the solemn Christian rites considered to have been instituted by Jesus Christ to symbolize or confer grace: the sacraments of the Protestant churches are baptism and the Lord's Supper; the sacraments of the Roman Catholic and Greek Orthodox churches are baptism, confirmation, the Eucharist, matrimony, penance, holy orders, and extreme unction.

2. (often initial capital letter) Also called Holy Sacrament. the Eucharist or Lord's Supper.

3. the consecrated elements of the Eucharist, esp. the bread.

4. something regarded as possessing a sacred character or mysterious significance.

5. a sign, token, or symbol.

6. an oath; solemn pledge.

B'Gone,
I'm actually disappointed that you don't know the definition of sacrament? C'mon you the hoaxbuster supreme of 'on faith' don't know?

I've heard it said that if men could get pregnant abortion would be a sacrament. Abortion is negative sex, some kind of time machine.

What is a sacrament anyhow?

OR THE 10
1. LOVE GOD WITH NO OTHERS BEFORE
2. NO IDOLS AND THAT INCLUDES AMERICAN IDOLS (I DID NOT WORSHIP HER BEFORE GOD)
3. DO NOT USE GOD'S NAME IN VAIN, PERHAPS THIS SHOULD APPLY IN EXTENSION AS WELL FOR THE SON TAKES THE FATHER'S NAME. WHAT YOU CALL ME, YOU CALL MY FATHER. WHAT YOU CALL MY FATHER YOU CALL ME.
4. SABBATH REMAINS HOLY
5. HONOR MOTHER AND FATHER-SACRIFICE LONG AND HARD...A LITTLE RESPECT WILL GO A LONG WAY
6. THOUGH SHALL NOT MURDER
7. THOUGH SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTRY (RIGHT BEHIND MURDER FOR A REASON)
8. THOUGH SHALL NOT STEAL
9. THOUGH SHALL NOT LIE
10. THOUGH SHALL NOT COVET

IT OCCURS TO ME THAT SMALLER VIOLATIONS LEAD TO LARGER VIOLATIONS.

Because of the gravity of the deed known generically as Sex, it should come at the end of the beginning, not at the beginning of the beginning of a long term relationship. TALKING COMES FIRST....POETRY CAN BE A PRECURSOR, BUT IT DOES NOT TAKE THE PLACE OF SIMPLY TALKING AND SEEING ONE ANOTHER IN REALITY!!! JESUS CHRIST PEOPLE HAVE WE BECOME SO ISOLATED AS TO TAKE POETRY AS REAL FOREPLAY? TRUE, THE MIND IS THE MOST POWERFUL SEXUAL ORGAN, BUT IT DOES NOT PRO-CREATE ANYTHING OTHER THAN IDEAS. PERHAPS THOSE IDEAS, THE BABIES OF THE MIND, WILL GO FORTH AND MULTIPLY AND SAVE THE WORLD, HUH? FOR WHAT WOULD HAVE BECOME OF ALL ABLED BODIED MEN IF JESUS WHERE TO TAKE MORE THAN HIS FAIR SHARE OF THE BOUNTY? THINK ABOUT IT PEOPLE MY GOD HOW SHALLOW AND ADVERSIVE TO THE COMMANDMENTS WE HAVE BECOME. LOVE THY GOD WITH ALL THEY MIND, HEART, AND SOUL. LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF. IT IS THE SECOND COMMANDMENT THAT OPENS US UP TO ABUSE...FIRST THINGS FIRST. WE MUST BE RIGHT WITH GOD. JUMPING THE GUN IS NO FUN...IT IS SECOND FOR A REASON...

"In my own experience, sexuality has been a great source of pain in my life and a great source of joy. I suspect this is true for many people. So I understand why religious traditions have seen sexuality as profoundly ambiguous." --- Borg

Have you read the recent article in Time about the MRI scans of the brains of people "in love" and "in lust"? People "in love" react like people under the control of an addiction, a drug. And when they're spurned, they react with the pain centers of the brain lighting up. But people "in lust" react totally different. It seems lust has nothing to do with love.

"Love" created increases in dopamine, lust created increases in testosterone.

You say "Sex has power." I think sex IS power. Women use sex to get money from men, to get houses, to get clothes. Look at Anna Nicole Smith. She stripped for men for money, she married an 89 yr old billionaire then claimed she'd loved him even though she never visited him in the hospital where he died. Men & women both marry for money. Men and women both use sex as a tool to get what they want. Gigolo, golddigger, what's the difference?

Yet, even though sex is probably the most important thing we ever do, in this country half the country tries not to talk about it while the other half talks about nothing else.

I think in this country we make the mistake of making either too much or too little of sex. And both can have the same result. People are afraid to talk honestly. We need a more realistic attitude.

"Sex Can Be Sacramental."

Yes, for some, a mystical union with the One. For others, a Black Mass.

We all drag through life our concept of self. Some people have seriously identified with their concept of self. The purpose of religion is to dissolve that self-concept and identify with God which is something BEYOND the self. Sex takes me to a place that is selfless. I see it as a sacred bond with another person. With religion or sex, at their peaks, there is no self - a concept that many cannot even imagine.

More rubbish from another panelist in this ongoing series.

Perhaps the best thing about this forum is that it is exposing all these speakers for various religions as vacuous wingnuts.

Sex and sexuality have nothing to do with religion in the sense of spirituality or faith. They have everything to do with being human.

That's where religion comes in and, in the guise of spirituality or faith, attempts to exert control over humans by rituals and taboos.

Richard Engel is correct but doesn't go far enough.

Your flowery disguise of the real resons for "sexy" religions is off base. Many religions are pro sex ie Mormons , catholics simply because its good business.
In the case of the catholics unpreventive sex (no contraception) only enhances the chance for another catholic to enter the world and support the church fimancially. This is especially effective in poor south american countries which now are the sole support of the church

The Mormons are more bold in their idiology- is simply put 10% of new net income from large families translates into a bright continuing future for the entire church including their obligatory missions which need underwriting.

It has been my experince that whenever I read very flowery reigious dogma I immediately follow the money. It works everytime

The sacredness of sex is a core of PanDeism -- the belief that God not only created the Universe, but in fact became the Universe in order to experience existence through the experiences of the Universe (and thereby to learn what it was like to face obstacles and limitations unknowable to a deity).... PanDeism teaches that God therefore shares in all of our experiences, and that our positive experiences, including our consensual and mutually enjoyable sexual practices, are a fantastic gift to God!!