Max Carter
Director of Friends Center, Guilford College

Max Carter

A recorded Friends minister, he serves on the Board of the American Friends Service Committee and the Advisory Board of the Earlham School of Religion.

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Reason no guarantee of morality

This weekend, Jon Stewart is holding "a rally to restore sanity" on the mall, two months after Glenn Beck's religion-infused "Restoring Honor" rally. Beck said he was called by God to hold the rally. Now atheist groups are planning to use Stewart's event to promote "reason."  Are "reason" and "sanity" the opposite of religious belief? Is taking religion out of the political debate the answer for restoring reason? Or do we need more faith?

Are reason and sanity the opposites of belief? I would reasonably say that I don't believe so. BELIEF, as I understand it, is typically based on evidence that any reasonable, sane person would have to accept as true (with the exception of those who don't want to be confused by the facts, since their minds are already made up!). FAITH is based more on hope and the evidence of things not seen.

The rally led by Glenn Beck was attended by people who BELIEVED in his message and had FAITH that the United States can be righted only by following a direction he and others like him have laid out. They will point to evidence to back up their beliefs.

The rally to be led by Jon Stewart this coming weekend will similarly be attended by people who BELIEVE that the likes of Beck and his supporters are motivated by forces that will lead America down the wrong road - and they can readily point to their own evidence. And likewise, they have FAITH that their understanding of the way things should be will lead us rightly.

It wasn't only the Beck rally that attracted religiously motivated attendees. I know many from my college who are planning to go to D.C. this weekend - and they are people of deep religious faith; reasonable folks, too, I might add! After all, they chose this college!

Reason and sanity are no guarantors of taking the right path. Nazi Germany's killing machine was masterminded by some of the best minds in the country - products of one of the most highly cultured and reasonable civilizations the world has seen. But, as my graduate school professor Franklin Littell described, "They were technological barbarians." In theological terms, with a tip of the hat to Calvinists, their very reason was tainted by sin - by missing the mark of what our minds ought be used for: the common good.

But nor is faith any guarantee of hitting the mark. The church had its arms wrapped all around those very same Nazis in too many instances. People of faith have afflicted the world with unspeakable horrors.

However, we can no more extricate religious faith out of the political debate than we can force campaign ads to be reasonable! Let alone sane! In a government of the people, by the people, and for the people - when the people are mighty darn religious - we must consider those sentiments along with concern about roads, health, taxes, and education.

I continue to be impressed by my friend Steven Feldman's book "Compartments," in which this scientifically trained, religious medical doctor describe the boxes in which we are too often confined. "Reasonably" believing that our "truth" is the only truth, we fail to see beyond our compartments into the boxes of others whose "truth" is quite different. We need to break out of our boxes, engage the "other," and begin the long, slow, hard process of breaking down stereotypes and listening deeply to the other - and sharing what we, too, have come to know as true for us.

A good place to start, probably, is in not assuming that entertainers like Beck and Stewart have the whole truth! I think it might be reasonable to assume that the truth is a conglomerate of a variety of insights - and sharing them all in a sane dialogue might lead us somewhere good!

But I have little faith we'll get there any time soon!

By Max Carter  |  October 25, 2010; 6:04 PM ET Save & Share:  Send E-mail   Facebook   Twitter   Digg   Yahoo Buzz   Del.icio.us   StumbleUpon   Technorati  
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Franklin Littell, eh? Guess you must have slept through most of his classes, Max.

Not impressed.

Posted by: FarnazMansouri2 | November 1, 2010 8:41 AM
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Anyway. Faith, reason, belief.

People can't quite seem to agree on terms, a lot of the time, never mind decide if they're essentially in opposition, never mind seemingly use any of them properly.

If 'Faith' means, 'I believe I should use poorly-applied 'reason' to say, 'It'll fix the country to claim religious power and harm teh gayz as an alternative to not-actually-making-the real things worse while hurting people in the name of 'Good....''

...then it means doing none of these three things very well at all, much less governing ourselves well.

Sometimes I think I have more 'faith' in the Christians' God than they do. My attitude's more like, 'In the unlikely event the Universe is really as messed-up as they say, I'm sure that savior-guy is more professional about it than his followers.'

Maybe also less fussed about atheists' ideas about 'oblivion' than they are, too. In spite of ...complications and adversities, it's all in all been an interesting life, and I hope I've done my bit to leave something a little richer behind. If I have no point of view from which to turn around and salute when this body and brain finally fall to pieces like the Bluesmobile, no one can say 'She never stepped on the gas.' :)

So what's this all about, here, indeed.

Truth? Or, really. Power. Experience. Thoughts. Decisions. Dreams.

'Soul,' whatever you think of that.

Attention.

These are things to *do,* and *be,* not 'convert' people over, or use as a talisman or a substitute for living, breathing, dreaming, and doing.

Posted by: APaganplace | October 28, 2010 11:55 AM
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My definitions of 'belief' and 'faith' are a bit different.


Belief is thinking you know something.
Faith is not needing to.

Belief comes from words like 'as lief,' or 'As I'd like it to be,' (this could seem to be either in the sense that it pleases your sense of reality, or just your desires)

'Faith' comes from words to do with trust, promise, fate, etc.

Faith isn't actually 'believing really hard till you don't question belief.'

I suppose it can mean, 'I don't really need to *know* cause I believe so hard,' or it can mean, 'I trust it's OK not to know everything,' or ''I just trust.'

I have my beliefs: I've worked pretty hard on those, actually, ...I also think I certainly 'have faith,' in Gods that have earned that trust. (Since before I would really have counted as a 'believer,' if you asked at the time.) Faith that even if my beliefs are off, that trust'll still be there.

Some beliefs *do* call it "faith" to see observable facts and effects, and believe something contrary to those anyway.

I don't agree with that definition, though: to me, that's just 'believing hard in the unreasonable.' ...Claiming that that represents *authority* in politics or life... or science, is what leads to things *being* unreasonable and unproductive.

I may well *believe* that the Earth's biosphere is a living embodiment of the Goddess, that doesn't mean I walk into political debates saying, 'Gawdess demands everyone abstain from bacon cheeseburgers, which will clean up the environment and avert terrible and arbitrary punishments!'

Even people claiming the same God and the same book more or less can't agree on anything that way. And people shouldn't *have* to.

Posted by: APaganplace | October 28, 2010 11:21 AM
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Regarding the title of the article, I submit that religion, too, is no guarantor of morality. Organized religions along with individual beliefs are extreemly diverse and very personal. I feel the subject of religion does little but further muddy the waters of an already cloudy lake. Being that religion is a divisive force rather than a unifying one, it should be left out of politics.

Posted by: Chris6330 | October 27, 2010 5:37 PM
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Hear Ye, Hear Ye: STOP THE VOTES!

Something On "BLOOD TITHES" within our Governments, not only 'Blood Diamonds or 'Blood Mineral's.

Those ReLIGIONics within the White-House and in Congress & the Senate who slip & grease their 'Constituent's? via their Mega-Churches moneys or the Congregation's Tithes aka BLOOD-MONEY via UNCLE-SAM tax EXEMPT Money should be ARRESTED & Tried FOR Corrupting many of Our Government Officials. And The Officials should be "Impeached" Not Censured!

The ELECTION SHOULD BE STOPPED by the CIA & FBI & the NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY, or Even the PENTAGON; now!

America Needs a Serious FIX!

Note: Since AMERICANS are beating-up each other this campaign, and since Americans are Mis-trusting Of both their FEDERAL & STATE Politicians & Government; Then It is Time For ISOLATION! WHY?

How can the so-called Beacon-of-Democracy [WE are a REPUBLIC, not a Democracy by the way] be respected when Voters LOST RESPECT FOR GOVERNMENT + THEIR FORE-FATHERS"are fighting each other as the World watches in both Mistrust of America & in Laughter [NO Joke]!??
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Theory: IF The N.Y.C. BLOOMBERG Admn & His TAMMANY-Hall CRONY's Can Usurp & Wave The N.Y.State Constitution & Bend the Federal (includes Senator Hillary Clinton quiting her senate job, "INSTEAD OF CONSTITUTION"; Who Usurped the U.S. Constitution to become SEC of State??) and then audaciously accepts the MAYORs job for a 3rd-Term? (w/out VOTERS O.K.?)

THEN; IT's Time to STOP THE RACE. And Like The COMMY Scare; Bring Forth The USURPERS & NEPOTIST & ROBBER BARRONS Before OUR (not Their) COURT SYSTEM based on "RULE OF LAW" Like TERRORISTs!!
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Dear Fellow Americans; HARK!

DO NOT BE DISTRACTED by this Admins "TERRORIST" or PHOBIA Card!

This Government and their CO-Crony's in High Crimes are guilty of "INSTEAD OF CONSTITUTION" & INSTEAD OF TRUTH" & INSTEAD of OPEN GOVERNMENT!

Grasp the Underlying Great Anti-American Conspiracy! EXAMPLE:

FACT: "BIN LADEN IS DEAD" Since Summer of 2007! DO-NOT Believe the Big-Lie!

VOTE: STOP The ELECTION (After a National Investigation of our incumbents & their Constituents & MEDIA NOW! ELSE

DO NOT VOTE! DO NOT SHOW-UP AT THE VOTING STATIONS/BOOTHS! IF Anything

PROTEST For a 1-Year [Mid-Term Election] DELAY//FREEZE now!

AND besides Not Trusting most Politicians, Do NOT TRust The {rigged] NEW 'TOUCH SCREEN COMPUTERS"!

[i]m not talking about "Chads", please see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chad_(paper)

But [WE] are talking about: DANGER//DANGER, THEFT OF GOVERNMENT, HIJACKING OUR NATION!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_voting

BETTER NOT-TO-VOTE & BE SAFE, by DELAYING THE Midterm Elections, Instead of Being Sorry [again] Later"!

NOTE: CONSTITUTIONALLY AMERICAN's have a right To POSTPONE THIS Mid-Term Election" Under a NATIONAL SECURITY THREAT & other viable Reasons that the Electorate can fathom & ride-out!

Posted by: woodstock-41 | October 26, 2010 10:47 PM
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And now introducing blasmaic, the reposting internet hound of WAPO.

Get out much?

Posted by: Greent | October 26, 2010 5:16 PM
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Stewart doesn't use sanity as a antonym to reason.

He uses it to imply that Beck and his followers are insane, as in mentally deranged. Stewart's humorous attack against Beck gets an extra lift by pandering to the hatred people hold toward the mentally ill.

Posted by: blasmaic | October 26, 2010 3:11 PM
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